You going to take advantage of your dumb friend?

What boat?

SBV

"JG" wrote in message
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Yep. I'm getting ready to get rid of my boat, but not being too
bright, I'm
talking to a friend about buying his boat.

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"Scout" wrote in message
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As I get older I'm beginning to appreciate the philosophy that
everything
is life is borrowed, rented, and essentially, not really mine. So
it might
just be a question of which is less expensive, to rent and leave
all the
work to others, or buy and have the short term satisfaction of
being the
lord of a tiny domain.
Scout

"JG" wrote in message
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Renting before buying is absolutely the best way to figure out if
you
want to buy a particular model, and it gives you an excellent
vehicle to
discover in general what you like or dislike about certain
"features."
Gives you some variety too.

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"Scout" wrote in message
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I know it's futile to seek consensus as to a make of boat. But,
I'm
seriously considering renting for a variety of designs before
buying. Has
anyone else rented a sailboat. Pros and cons? Good locations
around the
Chesapeake? The closest place to my old sailing grounds is in
Jersey.
www.southriverboatrentals.com
Scout

Not taking advantage of him... he's probably going to be taking advantage of
me. It's an older Pearson 30 that he set up very nicely for single handing.
He's very, very slowly doing some minor work on it. He really shouldn't be
out by himself any more... getting old, has a bad heart, etc.

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"Scotty" wrote in message
news
You going to take advantage of your dumb friend?

What boat?

SBV

"JG" wrote in message
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Yep. I'm getting ready to get rid of my boat, but not being too
bright, I'm
talking to a friend about buying his boat.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
...
As I get older I'm beginning to appreciate the philosophy that
everything
is life is borrowed, rented, and essentially, not really mine. So
it might
just be a question of which is less expensive, to rent and leave
all the
work to others, or buy and have the short term satisfaction of
being the
lord of a tiny domain.
Scout

"JG" wrote in message
...
Renting before buying is absolutely the best way to figure out if
you
want to buy a particular model, and it gives you an excellent
vehicle to
discover in general what you like or dislike about certain
"features."
Gives you some variety too.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I know it's futile to seek consensus as to a make of boat. But,
I'm
seriously considering renting for a variety of designs before
buying. Has
anyone else rented a sailboat. Pros and cons? Good locations
around the
Chesapeake? The closest place to my old sailing grounds is in
Jersey.
www.southriverboatrentals.com
Scout

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I know it's futile to seek consensus as to a make of boat. But, I'm
seriously considering renting for a variety of designs before buying. Has
anyone else rented a sailboat. Pros and cons? Good locations around the
Chesapeake? The closest place to my old sailing grounds is in Jersey.

Renting would be a very expensive way to choose a boat, unless you have
already narrowed your choice down to two or three.

If you have narrowed your choice, then you shouldn't really need to test
sail all of them - because their performance will all be similiar. At that
point, the important thing will be the layout of the boat - which you can
judge as soon as you step aboard. It's a bit like buying a house - you have
some basic requirements (no. of bedrooms, garden, parking, etc), but after
that you know the right house as soon as you walk into it.


It sounds to me like you don't have enough experience of different boats to
know what you want. If that is the case, then I think that you should join
a sailing club where members offer crewing positions to non-boat owning
members. Do such clubs exist where you live?


I crewed on many different boats(24ft Westerly Centaur, First 42, Etap 29 &
34, Moody 34) before I was ready to buy. The crewing experience taught me
about my sailing preferences. I wanted as much performance as I could get
in a family cruiser. When I came to choose my boat I only had about three
boats to choose from. In the end, I only needed to test sail one boat.



Regards


Donal
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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Scout" wrote in message
...
I know it's futile to seek consensus as to a make of boat. But, I'm
seriously considering renting for a variety of designs before buying. Has
anyone else rented a sailboat. Pros and cons? Good locations around the
Chesapeake? The closest place to my old sailing grounds is in Jersey.

Renting would be a very expensive way to choose a boat, unless you have
already narrowed your choice down to two or three.

Why would you say that? It seems to me that it's far cheaper to rent a dozen
or two dozen different boats, rather than buy a boat you end up not liking
because of something you'd discover if you had rented it first.

If you have narrowed your choice, then you shouldn't really need to test
sail all of them - because their performance will all be similiar. At
that
point, the important thing will be the layout of the boat - which you can
judge as soon as you step aboard. It's a bit like buying a house - you
have
some basic requirements (no. of bedrooms, garden, parking, etc), but
after
that you know the right house as soon as you walk into it.

Similar is not the same. There is enough difference between manufacturers
that it's worth sailing the boats to find out.


It sounds to me like you don't have enough experience of different boats
to
know what you want. If that is the case, then I think that you should
join
a sailing club where members offer crewing positions to non-boat owning
members. Do such clubs exist where you live?

I crewed on many different boats(24ft Westerly Centaur, First 42, Etap 29
&
34, Moody 34) before I was ready to buy. The crewing experience taught
me
about my sailing preferences. I wanted as much performance as I could get
in a family cruiser. When I came to choose my boat I only had about three
boats to choose from. In the end, I only needed to test sail one boat.

Doesn't this contradict what you said at the top? You tried a bunch of
boats, narrowed the search to a few, then made a choice.

"JG" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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Renting would be a very expensive way to choose a boat, unless you have
already narrowed your choice down to two or three.

Why would you say that? It seems to me that it's far cheaper to rent a
dozen
or two dozen different boats, rather than buy a boat you end up not liking
because of something you'd discover if you had rented it first.

I think that you can get experience of different boats without renting.

If it was a straight choice between buying from the brochure and renting,
then I would agree that renting would make sense. However, there are loads
of people who need crew. They are willing to take people out sailing for no
more than a share of expenses.




If you have narrowed your choice, then you shouldn't really need to test
sail all of them - because their performance will all be similiar. At
that
point, the important thing will be the layout of the boat - which you
can
judge as soon as you step aboard. It's a bit like buying a house - you
have
some basic requirements (no. of bedrooms, garden, parking, etc), but
after
that you know the right house as soon as you walk into it.

Similar is not the same. There is enough difference between manufacturers
that it's worth sailing the boats to find out.

By the time you have narrowed your choice to two or three boats, the
performance will be very similiar. People who like Westerley, will also
look at Moody or Bowman. People who like a First will look at X-Boats and
Dehler. You shouldn't need to try very many boats.


I crewed on many different boats(24ft Westerly Centaur, First 42, Etap
29
&
34, Moody 34) before I was ready to buy. The crewing experience taught
me
about my sailing preferences. I wanted as much performance as I could
get
in a family cruiser. When I came to choose my boat I only had about
three
boats to choose from. In the end, I only needed to test sail one boat.

Doesn't this contradict what you said at the top? You tried a bunch of
boats, narrowed the search to a few, then made a choice.

My opening comment was that *renting* would be an expensive way to choose a
boat. I don't think that I have contradicted myself. I only rented one
boat (a holiday in Greece) before I bought my own boat. All my crewing was
free apart from shared expenses - mooring fees, food and hire of liferafts.
These add up to about $15 a day. You cannot rent a boat for that sort of
money, even if you are sharing.



Regards


Donal
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Absolutely correct. You can get experience on diff boats without renting.
However, we were talking about renting, which is a good way to do it,
especially if it's not feasible to get a ride otherwise.

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www.sailnow.com

"Donal" wrote in message
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"JG" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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Renting would be a very expensive way to choose a boat, unless you have
already narrowed your choice down to two or three.

Why would you say that? It seems to me that it's far cheaper to rent a
dozen
or two dozen different boats, rather than buy a boat you end up not
liking
because of something you'd discover if you had rented it first.

I think that you can get experience of different boats without renting.

If it was a straight choice between buying from the brochure and renting,
then I would agree that renting would make sense. However, there are
loads
of people who need crew. They are willing to take people out sailing for
no
more than a share of expenses.




If you have narrowed your choice, then you shouldn't really need to
test
sail all of them - because their performance will all be similiar. At
that
point, the important thing will be the layout of the boat - which you
can
judge as soon as you step aboard. It's a bit like buying a house - you
have
some basic requirements (no. of bedrooms, garden, parking, etc), but
after
that you know the right house as soon as you walk into it.

Similar is not the same. There is enough difference between manufacturers
that it's worth sailing the boats to find out.

By the time you have narrowed your choice to two or three boats, the
performance will be very similiar. People who like Westerley, will also
look at Moody or Bowman. People who like a First will look at X-Boats and
Dehler. You shouldn't need to try very many boats.


I crewed on many different boats(24ft Westerly Centaur, First 42, Etap
29
&
34, Moody 34) before I was ready to buy. The crewing experience
taught
me
about my sailing preferences. I wanted as much performance as I could
get
in a family cruiser. When I came to choose my boat I only had about
three
boats to choose from. In the end, I only needed to test sail one boat.

Doesn't this contradict what you said at the top? You tried a bunch of
boats, narrowed the search to a few, then made a choice.

My opening comment was that *renting* would be an expensive way to choose
a
boat. I don't think that I have contradicted myself. I only rented one
boat (a holiday in Greece) before I bought my own boat. All my crewing
was
free apart from shared expenses - mooring fees, food and hire of
liferafts.
These add up to about $15 a day. You cannot rent a boat for that sort of
money, even if you are sharing.



Regards


Donal
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"Donal" wrote in

People who like Westerley, will also look at Moody or
Bowman. People who like MacGregors will like Firsts and
Bendytoes. You shouldn't need to try very many boats.

Oh brother!

you guys rent liferafts?

Sounds kinda risky!

Were you not the person that posted about the rented liferaft case full
of bricks?

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
you guys rent liferafts?

Sounds kinda risky!

I don't really like it much.

However, I only need a liferaft two or three times a year. It's cheaper to
rent, because the liferafts need to be serviced every three years. The
service is expensive.

Were you not the person that posted about the rented liferaft case full
of bricks?

No, that wasn't me!



regards


Donal
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