Lady Pilot wrote:

I've can honestly say that I've *never* sent an abuse complaint to
anyone's NSP or ISP.

Ignoratio Elenchi. What are you talking about?


If that's the "moral high ground" you speak of,
then I guess you are right.

It isn't. You said that Katy mouthing off about being a netcop was what
brought the horde of locusts in here, but it wasn't. It was you running to a
gang of playground bullies, shouting, "Look what she said! Look what she
said!", knowing that it would mess up the group for everyone . She didn't do
it, you did.

FWIW, if Katy wants to netcop someone, she should keep her trap shut and get
on with it - the fact that the lot of you have to make such a song and dance
of of it in here is, frankly, pathetic.

While I support the principle of free speech in usenet, we are all
ultimately bound by the dictat of our service providers (and service
providers themselves are bound by the conditions of their peering
arrangements with other service providers). Those who choose to step outside
of that dictat are fair game to those who choose to netcop. You can wave a
banner claiming that you can do whatever you like all you want, but the
truth of the matter is that that isn't really the case. Like it or not,
there *are* rules.

What I don't support is flooding a group with a load of worthless crap -
punishing everyone - because of the actions of one person. If Neal stepped
outside his provider's TOS, and Katy netcopped him, then that's just tough
**** - tough **** that I couldn't give a damn about becuase there isn't
enough of it getting in the way of the fun that's to be had in here. You and
Neal claim you're teaching Katy a lesson, but all you're doing is ****ing
everybody off - Katy isn't the source of disrupton to the normal business of
this group, you two are. The fact that Neal deliberately stepped outside
individual.net's TOS, knowing that his account was about to close anyway, is
telling.

You two are behaving like a pair of sad little trouble makers - why don't
you go sailing with him again? That was *far* more interesting and enjoyable
than this ****.


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm
www.wally.myby.co.uk

"Wally" wrote:
Lady Pilot wrote:

I can honestly say that I've *never* sent an abuse complaint to
anyone's NSP or ISP.

Ignoratio Elenchi.

Name calling doesn't suit you, Wally.

What are you talking about?

I've been in a flame war that lasted for several years, but I never
netkkkoped anyone. (i.e., sent an abuse complaint)
NSP = News Service Provider
ISP = Internet Service Provider

If that's the "moral high ground" you speak of,
then I guess you are right.

It isn't. You said that Katy mouthing off about being a netcop was what
brought the horde of locusts in here, but it wasn't.

Sure it is, I have personal knowledge of this.

It was you running to a
gang of playground bullies, shouting, "Look what she said! Look what she
said!", knowing that it would mess up the group for everyone .

Nah, they could care less what katywails said, as long as it's not
threatning to report someone and get their account pulled.

She didn't do
it, you did.

Nope, you are wrong. But unlike katywails or Ganz, I won't report you to
your provider just because we have a difference of opinion or I don't like
what you say.


FWIW, if Katy wants to netcop someone, she should keep her trap shut and
get
on with it -

Actually, I'm glad she announced it. Now everyone will know that she can't
be a trusted friend. Gives the group prospective on katy's true character.

While I support the principle of free speech in usenet,

No you don't, it's obvious by your own words.

we are all
ultimately bound by the dictat of our service providers (and service
providers themselves are bound by the conditions of their peering
arrangements with other service providers). Those who choose to step
outside
of that dictat are fair game to those who choose to netcop. You can wave a
banner claiming that you can do whatever you like all you want, but the
truth of the matter is that that isn't really the case. Like it or not,
there *are* rules.

Different news servers have different rules. If individual.net wants to
toss someone for a flame war or calling people names, they won't be around
very long.

Tell me, Wally, what did I do for katywails to netcop me? Hmmm? The fact
of the matter is that katywails got ****ed at Capt. Neal and decided to take
her wrath out on me. That's the facts, whether you want to accept it or
not. That's why I haven't so much as received an e-mail from my ISP. All
other complaints about me will now probably be tossed in the recycle bin.
News admin's have better things to do with their time than listen to some
old menopausal woman whine about losing a flame war.

What I don't support is flooding a group with a load of worthless crap -
punishing everyone - because of the actions of one person.

No one is being punished. Use your kill file, that's what it's there for,
Wally.

You haven't asked for my advice, but I will give it for the sake of the
group. Don't respond to anyone regarding this mess. People like Scotty,
Thom, Cairns, and others defending katy and Ganz is only going to prolong
their visit.

If Neal stepped
outside his provider's TOS, and Katy netcopped him, then that's just tough
**** -

Yes, and the same is true about katysails. If she gets spammed, a trojan or
someone takes control of her computer, that's her fault because she *chose*
to netkkkop someone and then brag about it, which is such a gaynzy way of
life.

tough **** that I couldn't give a damn about becuase there isn't
enough of it getting in the way of the fun that's to be had in here.

So you're saying you want more disruption to the newgroup? whatever

I subscribed to this newsgroup because it *was* a lot of fun. It stopped
being fun when katywails and ganzy went on their professed netkkkopping
spree.

If katy would have just stuck Capt. Neal in her kill file, this wouldn't
have been happening right now. She's incredibly stupid for a woman of her
age. She's been around usenet long enough to know better!

You and
Neal claim you're teaching Katy a lesson, but all you're doing is ****ing
everybody off -

Nope, I've never claimed any such thing. Please post proof of your
accusation. I'm claiming that ***katywails*** brought this upon the
newsgroup by her and ganzy netkkkoping. How many times does that need to be
repeated before people here get that thru their thick skulls?

You two are behaving like a pair of sad little trouble makers - why don't
you go sailing with him again? That was *far* more interesting and
enjoyable
than this ****.

How do you know that we aren't planning to go sailing again soon?
Katysails became enraged the last time we went sailing for 9 days around the
Keys and Gulf Stream.

Has anyone in this newsgroup ever been *sailing* in the Gulf Stream? We all
know that Jax can't even find the Gulf Stream!

LP

Lady Pilot wrote:
"Wally" wrote:

Lady Pilot wrote:


I can honestly say that I've *never* sent an abuse complaint to
anyone's NSP or ISP.

Ignoratio Elenchi.


Name calling doesn't suit you, Wally.


What are you talking about?


I've been in a flame war that lasted for several years, but I never
netkkkoped anyone. (i.e., sent an abuse complaint)
NSP = News Service Provider
ISP = Internet Service Provider


If that's the "moral high ground" you speak of,
then I guess you are right.

It isn't. You said that Katy mouthing off about being a netcop was what
brought the horde of locusts in here, but it wasn't.


Sure it is, I have personal knowledge of this.


It was you running to a
gang of playground bullies, shouting, "Look what she said! Look what she
said!", knowing that it would mess up the group for everyone .


Nah, they could care less what katywails said, as long as it's not
threatning to report someone and get their account pulled.


She didn't do
it, you did.


Nope, you are wrong. But unlike katywails or Ganz, I won't report you to
your provider just because we have a difference of opinion or I don't like
what you say.


FWIW, if Katy wants to netcop someone, she should keep her trap shut and
get
on with it -


Actually, I'm glad she announced it. Now everyone will know that she can't
be a trusted friend. Gives the group prospective on katy's true character.


While I support the principle of free speech in usenet,


No you don't, it's obvious by your own words.


we are all
ultimately bound by the dictat of our service providers (and service
providers themselves are bound by the conditions of their peering
arrangements with other service providers). Those who choose to step
outside
of that dictat are fair game to those who choose to netcop. You can wave a
banner claiming that you can do whatever you like all you want, but the
truth of the matter is that that isn't really the case. Like it or not,
there *are* rules.


Different news servers have different rules. If individual.net wants to
toss someone for a flame war or calling people names, they won't be around
very long.

Tell me, Wally, what did I do for katywails to netcop me? Hmmm? The fact
of the matter is that katywails got ****ed at Capt. Neal and decided to take
her wrath out on me. That's the facts, whether you want to accept it or
not. That's why I haven't so much as received an e-mail from my ISP. All
other complaints about me will now probably be tossed in the recycle bin.
News admin's have better things to do with their time than listen to some
old menopausal woman whine about losing a flame war.


What I don't support is flooding a group with a load of worthless crap -
punishing everyone - because of the actions of one person.


No one is being punished. Use your kill file, that's what it's there for,
Wally.

You haven't asked for my advice, but I will give it for the sake of the
group. Don't respond to anyone regarding this mess. People like Scotty,
Thom, Cairns, and others defending katy and Ganz is only going to prolong
their visit.


If Neal stepped
outside his provider's TOS, and Katy netcopped him, then that's just tough
**** -


Yes, and the same is true about katysails. If she gets spammed, a trojan or
someone takes control of her computer, that's her fault because she *chose*
to netkkkop someone and then brag about it, which is such a gaynzy way of
life.


tough **** that I couldn't give a damn about becuase there isn't
enough of it getting in the way of the fun that's to be had in here.


So you're saying you want more disruption to the newgroup? whatever

I subscribed to this newsgroup because it *was* a lot of fun. It stopped
being fun when katywails and ganzy went on their professed netkkkopping
spree.

If katy would have just stuck Capt. Neal in her kill file, this wouldn't
have been happening right now. She's incredibly stupid for a woman of her
age. She's been around usenet long enough to know better!


You and
Neal claim you're teaching Katy a lesson, but all you're doing is ****ing
everybody off -


Nope, I've never claimed any such thing. Please post proof of your
accusation. I'm claiming that ***katywails*** brought this upon the
newsgroup by her and ganzy netkkkoping. How many times does that need to be
repeated before people here get that thru their thick skulls?


You two are behaving like a pair of sad little trouble makers - why don't
you go sailing with him again? That was *far* more interesting and
enjoyable
than this ****.


How do you know that we aren't planning to go sailing again soon?
Katysails became enraged the last time we went sailing for 9 days around the
Keys and Gulf Stream.

Has anyone in this newsgroup ever been *sailing* in the Gulf Stream? We all
know that Jax can't even find the Gulf Stream!

LP


Hey LP
As far as sailing in the Gulf Stream, I bet my cat has more hours than
Capt Neal. However she doesn't like it.
JR.

"JR Gilbreath" wrote:

As far as sailing in the Gulf Stream, I bet my cat has more hours than
Capt Neal. However she doesn't like it.
JR.

Does your cat have more hours sailing in the Gulf Stream than you do? :-)
You shouldn't throw your cat overboard like that, they can't sail, they
sink.

LP

In article , JR Gilbreath
wrote:

Lady Pilot wrote:
"Wally" wrote:

Lady Pilot wrote:


I can honestly say that I've *never* sent an abuse complaint to
anyone's NSP or ISP.

Ignoratio Elenchi.


Name calling doesn't suit you, Wally.


What are you talking about?


I've been in a flame war that lasted for several years, but I never
netkkkoped anyone. (i.e., sent an abuse complaint)
NSP = News Service Provider
ISP = Internet Service Provider


If that's the "moral high ground" you speak of,
then I guess you are right.

It isn't. You said that Katy mouthing off about being a netcop was what
brought the horde of locusts in here, but it wasn't.


Sure it is, I have personal knowledge of this.


It was you running to a
gang of playground bullies, shouting, "Look what she said! Look what she
said!", knowing that it would mess up the group for everyone .


Nah, they could care less what katywails said, as long as it's not
threatning to report someone and get their account pulled.


She didn't do
it, you did.


Nope, you are wrong. But unlike katywails or Ganz, I won't report you to
your provider just because we have a difference of opinion or I don't like
what you say.


FWIW, if Katy wants to netcop someone, she should keep her trap shut and
get
on with it -


Actually, I'm glad she announced it. Now everyone will know that she can't
be a trusted friend. Gives the group prospective on katy's true character.


While I support the principle of free speech in usenet,


No you don't, it's obvious by your own words.


we are all
ultimately bound by the dictat of our service providers (and service
providers themselves are bound by the conditions of their peering
arrangements with other service providers). Those who choose to step
outside
of that dictat are fair game to those who choose to netcop. You can wave a
banner claiming that you can do whatever you like all you want, but the
truth of the matter is that that isn't really the case. Like it or not,
there *are* rules.


Different news servers have different rules. If individual.net wants to
toss someone for a flame war or calling people names, they won't be around
very long.

Tell me, Wally, what did I do for katywails to netcop me? Hmmm? The fact
of the matter is that katywails got ****ed at Capt. Neal and decided to
take
her wrath out on me. That's the facts, whether you want to accept it or
not. That's why I haven't so much as received an e-mail from my ISP. All
other complaints about me will now probably be tossed in the recycle bin.
News admin's have better things to do with their time than listen to some
old menopausal woman whine about losing a flame war.


What I don't support is flooding a group with a load of worthless crap -
punishing everyone - because of the actions of one person.


No one is being punished. Use your kill file, that's what it's there for,
Wally.

You haven't asked for my advice, but I will give it for the sake of the
group. Don't respond to anyone regarding this mess. People like Scotty,
Thom, Cairns, and others defending katy and Ganz is only going to prolong
their visit.


If Neal stepped
outside his provider's TOS, and Katy netcopped him, then that's just tough
**** -


Yes, and the same is true about katysails. If she gets spammed, a trojan
or
someone takes control of her computer, that's her fault because she *chose*
to netkkkop someone and then brag about it, which is such a gaynzy way of
life.


tough **** that I couldn't give a damn about becuase there isn't
enough of it getting in the way of the fun that's to be had in here.


So you're saying you want more disruption to the newgroup? whatever

I subscribed to this newsgroup because it *was* a lot of fun. It stopped
being fun when katywails and ganzy went on their professed netkkkopping
spree.

If katy would have just stuck Capt. Neal in her kill file, this wouldn't
have been happening right now. She's incredibly stupid for a woman of her
age. She's been around usenet long enough to know better!


You and
Neal claim you're teaching Katy a lesson, but all you're doing is ****ing
everybody off -


Nope, I've never claimed any such thing. Please post proof of your
accusation. I'm claiming that ***katywails*** brought this upon the
newsgroup by her and ganzy netkkkoping. How many times does that need to
be
repeated before people here get that thru their thick skulls?

"Beware. This animal is dangerous. When attacked, it defends itself".

Hey, LP - your sense of reality is so typically absent, you remind me
of Jon defending his loser candidate Kerry in the last election. Almost
enough to get me to take you out of the killfile, but not quite.
Reading your evasions, distortions and pathetic attempts at self
justification at second hand is sufficient.

Neal is a pathetic scumbag. You associate with him.

PDW

Whiney LP wrote: Has anyone in this newsgroup ever been *sailing* in the
Gulf Stream?

To say you've sailed the 'Mighty Gulf Stream' is like Ganzy saying he is
just a 'little' gay. Neither one is reflective of the truth.

As the Gulf Steam passes the keys, it is serene. Just a current, nothing
more.

As the Gulf Stream enters the North Atlantic and heads to Europe, that is a
different story. The warm water of the stream set against the cold waters
in the North Atlantic make for an evil combination. This is where the
reputation of the stream comes from, not from the subtropics where you were
sailing.

In the more northerly latitudes, the differences in water temp set up
eddies, and actually can produce it's own weather. Fierce storms are
common, and big winds, when set against the 3 knot current, can produce
uncomfortable wave shapes and patterns.

I have sailed the REAL Gulf Stream, where it matters... in the North
Atlantic. More than once.

Only wannabes would brag about sailing in the Stream in the sub tropics once
(Or in Neal's case Once Upon a Time). Geez.

Lonny B

Un-informed "Lonny B" drooled this tidbit:

Whiney LP wrote: Has anyone in this newsgroup ever been *sailing* in
the Gulf Stream?

To say you've sailed the 'Mighty Gulf Stream' is like Ganzy saying he is
just a 'little' gay. Neither one is reflective of the truth.

I don't believe the word "mighty" was in what I wrote. (See above).

I have sailed the REAL Gulf Stream, where it matters... in the North
Atlantic. More than once.

Wooo, I think I must have struck a nerve. Hopefully it wasn't your last
nerve...

Only wannabes would brag about sailing in the Stream in the sub tropics
once Geez.

How do you know that I have not been in other parts of the Gulf Stream?

Funny how you read and make up anything you want in your own little mind.
Please post proof about me not sailing in other parts of the Gulf Stream or
be known forever more as the ignorant fool on asa. Thanks!

LP

Lady Pilot wrote:

Ignoratio Elenchi.

Name calling doesn't suit you, Wally.

It's not name-calling (sheesh!tm). It means, roughly, that youre
*ignoring* the issue - it has nothing to do with whether or not you are
*ignorant*. I didn't say, or imply, that you had netcopped anyone - you
didn't answer my point, you responded to some point I didn't make;
consequently, your response above was irrelevant. Which was why I went on to
ask...

What are you talking about?



Actually, I'm glad she announced it. Now everyone will know that she
can't be a trusted friend. Gives the group prospective on katy's
true character.

A trusted friend? Are you living in some sort of virtual fantasy land? This
is *usenet* - these people are *strangers*. There is absolutely no reason to
suppose that the online personas we see here are any sort of reliable
indication of what a person is like in real life. It takes a sight more than
a few words on a screen before I call someone a trusted friend. There are
personas here that I like, am indifferent to, and dislike, but that's all
they are - personas.


Tell me, Wally, what did I do for katywails to netcop me? Hmmm?

Something to with you going sailing with Neal? I don't really know - it
wasn't making a sufficently large blip on the radar to be worth looking at
in any depth.


No one is being punished. Use your kill file, that's what it's there
for, Wally.

You haven't asked for my advice, but I will give it for the sake of
the group. Don't respond to anyone regarding this mess. People like
Scotty, Thom, Cairns, and others defending katy and Ganz is only
going to prolong their visit.

Yes, and the same is true about katysails. If she gets spammed, a
trojan or someone takes control of her computer, that's her fault
because she *chose* to netkkkop someone and then brag about it, which
is such a gaynzy way of life.

You and your buddies choose to trash a whole group, the vast majority of the
subscribers of which are innocent, because you didn't like what she did.


So you're saying you want more disruption to the newgroup? whatever

I subscribed to this newsgroup because it *was* a lot of fun.

That's right, LP. It was a lot of fun. The last time this happened, I
seriously considered leaving. Instead, I spent loads of timing killfiling
one disruptor after another. I'm not sure that I can bothered going through
that crap again. From your (not very) veiled threats of continued
disruption, it would seem that you and your pals are intent on making this
place a pointless place to continue subscribing to.

Is that what you want? A wasteland?

"Wally" wrote in message

Lady Pilot wrote:

Ignoratio Elenchi.

Name calling doesn't suit you, Wally.

It's not name-calling (sheesh!tm). It means, roughly, that youre
*ignoring* the issue - it has nothing to do with whether or not you are
*ignorant*.

Perhaps it should have. g

Max

Wally wrote:
: Lady Pilot wrote:
:
:: I've can honestly say that I've *never* sent an abuse complaint to
:: anyone's NSP or ISP.
:
: Ignoratio Elenchi. What are you talking about?

she's saying she isn't a netKKKopping scumbag. capiche?
:
:
:: If that's the "moral high ground" you speak of,
:: then I guess you are right.
:
: It isn't. You said that Katy mouthing off about being a netcop was
: what brought the horde of locusts in here, but it wasn't. It was you
: running to a gang of playground bullies, shouting, "Look what she
: said! Look what she said!", knowing that it would mess up the group
: for everyone . She didn't do it, you did.

lol @ playground bullies. all we are doing is posting mere words.
where is the harm in that?
:
: FWIW, if Katy wants to netcop someone, she should keep her trap shut
: and get on with it - the fact that the lot of you have to make such a
: song and dance of of it in here is, frankly, pathetic.

WRONG. she shouldn't netKKKop at all. doing that is the only pathetic thing
here. she didn't like what someone said so got them cut off. that is just
plain ****ing sad.
:
: While I support the principle of free speech in usenet, we are all
: ultimately bound by the dictat of our service providers (and service
: providers themselves are bound by the conditions of their peering
: arrangements with other service providers). Those who choose to step
: outside of that dictat are fair game to those who choose to netcop.
: You can wave a banner claiming that you can do whatever you like all
: you want, but the truth of the matter is that that isn't really the
: case. Like it or not, there *are* rules.

and then there are some like me who challenge these rules.
guess what, I can get away with it too. grin
if need be I hack into newsservers and can post from almost anywhere in the
world, but I only use these tactics as a last resort.
what I'm hoping for here is that the regulars will persuade the KKKops to
desist from their silly behaviour so that your group can return to normal.
:
: What I don't support is flooding a group with a load of worthless
: crap - punishing everyone - because of the actions of one person. If
: Neal stepped outside his provider's TOS, and Katy netcopped him, then
: that's just tough **** - tough **** that I couldn't give a damn about
: becuase there isn't enough of it getting in the way of the fun that's
: to be had in here. You and Neal claim you're teaching Katy a lesson,
: but all you're doing is ****ing everybody off - Katy isn't the source
: of disrupton to the normal business of this group, you two are. The
: fact that Neal deliberately stepped outside individual.net's TOS,
: knowing that his account was about to close anyway, is telling.
:
: You two are behaving like a pair of sad little trouble makers - why
: don't you go sailing with him again? That was *far* more interesting
: and enjoyable than this ****.

then sort it out between yourselves. tell the netKKKops in the group to
desist and apologise then we might just go away (but will still be
watching).
the alternative is not pretty. things really could get much worse in here...


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