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Capt. Mooron April 2nd 05 03:08 AM


"Fred Hall" wrote in message news:d2kub6$q79

Why don't you just kill file him, Ole Thom?


How can you justify censorship on one hand and subscribe to uncensored
speech on the other? [Databasix]

Pardon me if you seem to have " Not thought this through".....

It's a common complaint of the complacent...

CM



Fred Hall April 2nd 05 03:08 AM

On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 11:14:20 -0800, "JG" wrote:

Hardly. Mooron seems to have turned tail and run. Neal signed up for his
databasix account, which is a known haven for misanthropes.


How did you come to that conclusion? Proof?


Thom Stewart April 2nd 05 07:04 AM

Now, Mooron,

When you post like that about thinking things thru & free speech I can
see your brain is in gear.

Ole Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage


Capt. Mooron April 2nd 05 08:37 AM

Don't you dare sit like a prima Dona and deem to critique my position on a
subject... pro or con.... when you are so quick to demean me in another
post.

To date I owe you nothing but contempt.... either apolologise or refrain
from your diatribe.... until such a time... I have no want nor patience
for your opinion on any matter I may choose to present.

Suck up somewhere else until an apology is forthcoming..

CM



"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Now, Mooron,

When you post like that about thinking things thru & free speech I can
see your brain is in gear.

Ole Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage




Lady Pilot April 2nd 05 10:14 AM


"JG" wrote:
Yup... keep claiming to hate netcops, but that's exactly what he does.
He's just not very good at it. A hypocrite, thief, and a liar.


Ganz, it's respectable to netkkkop a netkkkop. Not that I would waste my
time, but it's an honorable endeavor.

LP



Lady Pilot April 2nd 05 10:39 AM


"Thom Stewart" wrote:
Neal,

Please don't attach to my headers. I'm not attaching to yours.


Tom, I respect that you are an old man posting to usenet through webtv and
don't have a clue, but let me inform you about usenet.

No one *owns* a thread they start, nor a post they make in some other
thread. Just because katywails has made comments to Ganz not to "gay up"
her thread, doesn't make it *her* thread.

You whining about Dave and DSK posting on your thread made you a laughing
stock to people that really know something about usenet. Please stick to
something you know about, like sailing.

I've noticed many sailing threads that you never comment on, then start new
off-topic posts whining about off-topic posts. Can you say hypocrite?

This is an *alt* newsgroup. Alt stands for "Anarchists, Lunatics,
Terrorists". If you want a more civilized group, maybe you and a few other
whiners could start a new newsgroup in the rec.* hierarchy? Although, most
sailors here wouldn't ever be able to "Cut the Mustard" in a rec.sailing
group.

Here's a list of what's currently available regarding sailing on usenet:
alt.sailing
alt.sailing.asa
alt.sailing.boats.crew
alt.sailing.pbsa
alt.sailing.tall-ships
alt.sailing.yacht-charter
aus.sport.sailing
git.club.sailing
ott.rec.sailing
uk.rec.sailing

If your NSP (News Service Provider) doesn't carry one of the groups above,
you can always ask nicely and maybe they would add the group to their list
of servers.

LP




Lady Pilot April 2nd 05 10:44 AM


"Scout" wrote:
You brought these assholes here, stop blaming Katy.
The only thing she's guilty of is having good taste.


Don't blame Capt. Neal, he had nothing to do with any of this I can assure
you.

I know for a fact these "assholes" as you call them, even though they are
only "assholes" to netkkkops and those that defend them, were brought here
by katysails own words. I just took her words and cross-posted them to
groups that are concerned about "Freedom of Speech".

Unlike katywails, I'm a big girl and will take responsibilty for my own
actions.



Lady Pilot April 2nd 05 10:47 AM


"John Cairns" wrote:

A long list of plonkees, but nil is numero uno on my list of dickless
mf's.


Projecting again? Bwaaahahahaa!

LP



Lady Pilot April 2nd 05 10:54 AM


"Capt. Mooron" wrote:

"Fred Hall" wrote:

Why don't you just kill file him, Ole Thom?


How can you justify censorship on one hand and subscribe to uncensored
speech on the other? [Databasix]


It's simple, Capt. Mooron. Let me see if I can make it simple enough for
the whiners of this group.

When a person doesn't like what someone writes, you simply plonk them,
otherwise known as a kill file or bozo bin. You don't go the katysails and
Ganz route and report them to their NSP or ISP.

In other words, when you make the decision to kill file, you are not
censoring anyone else's right to be able to read that person if they chose
to do so. To file a complaint to someone's provider is nothing less than
chicken **** behavior, which only cowards would engage in...

Understand now?



Scout April 2nd 05 11:02 AM

"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
news:sQt3e.15352$TZ.8944@okepread06...

"Scout" wrote:
You brought these assholes here, stop blaming Katy.
The only thing she's guilty of is having good taste.


Don't blame Capt. Neal, he had nothing to do with any of this I can assure
you.

I know for a fact these "assholes" as you call them, even though they are
only "assholes" to netkkkops and those that defend them, were brought here
by katysails own words. I just took her words and cross-posted them to
groups that are concerned about "Freedom of Speech".


Not true! I call them assholes because they identified themselves as such a
year ago when they bombarded this newsgroup and abused everyone who posted
here. They claim to be proponents of free speech, but their presence has
nothing to do with free speech and everything to do with harassment. I
didn't invite them in and I didn't ask them to leave. But when I see a
thousand posts that all say "tee hee" I'm typically going to raise my FU
flag.

As for CN, the tip of his iceberg screams abusive controller. I'd have given
him a wide berth if he hadn't fired the first volley at me.
Scout



Flying Tadpole April 2nd 05 01:54 PM



Scout wrote:
But when I see a
thousand posts that all say "tee hee" I'm typically going to raise my FU
flag.


I tend to view the political spectrum as rather like a bacterial
gene map, ie, circular. And on such a map, the extreme right and
extreme left, inevitably, end up side by side.

So I can't quite decide whether the
thousands-increasing-by-orders-of-magnitude-"tee he" postings a
--the act of an extreme fascist, intent on silencing the
opposition by the crudest of means no matter what the collateral
damage, or
--the act of an extreme leftie, intent on silencing the
opposition by the crudest of means no matter what the collateral
damage.


--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://music.download.com/timfatchen
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm

Lady Pilot April 2nd 05 01:59 PM


"Scout" wrote:
"Lady Pilot" wrote:

"Scout" wrote:
You brought these assholes here, stop blaming Katy.
The only thing she's guilty of is having good taste.


Don't blame Capt. Neal, he had nothing to do with any of this I can
assure you.

I know for a fact these "assholes" as you call them, even though they are
only "assholes" to netkkkops and those that defend them, were brought
here by katysails own words. I just took her words and cross-posted them
to groups that are concerned about "Freedom of Speech".


Not true! I call them assholes because they identified themselves as such
a year ago when they bombarded this newsgroup and abused everyone who
posted here.


Not true! Please post an example of them attacking someone talking about
sailing or any of topic subject that doesn't have to do with the netcop or
netkkkopping. I was here then, and it was July of 2003.

Katysails was the one who invited them last time, because she was sick of
Jaxashby's rants. Google katy during this time and see for yourself.

As for CN, the tip of his iceberg screams abusive controller. I'd have
given him a wide berth if he hadn't fired the first volley at me.


I agree with you regarding this, Scout. I've even talked to him about it
offline and let him know that he had you pegged wrong in your political
beliefs. But please notice, I didn't netkkkop him for his behavior or
because I disagreed with him. Believe me, we've had heated conversations
about how we view different situations in the news, etc. Sometimes we just
have to agree to disagree.

I like you and many others in this group. You've been one of my favorites
to read here mostly because of your sense of humor and intelligence. Just
because you and Capt. Neal got into a disagreement doesn't change my opinion
of you. The sad fact is that many here have taken sides in the disagreement
between katy and me. (like Maxprop, who I used to respect and enjoy reading
before the disagreement happened.)

I respect other people's beliefs, even if I don't agree with them. I don't
resort to reporting people to their ISP's because I disagree with them.

It's obvious to me that if katywails was offended, she should have KF'd
Capt. Neal. He would have lost interest and been sailing right now.

Before Capt. Neal got drunk last week and started using profanity against
katy, she was answering everyone of his posts. Then she claimed he was a
stalker. lol
That would be equivilent to someone stalking me in real life and me going
over to their house and knocking on the door. Not too smart in my opinion,
but that's my opinion.

LP



Lonny B April 2nd 05 03:08 PM

LP wrote something to the effect: . I am not too smart in my opinion,
but that's my opinion.


You said it, and I don't think you will find many that will disagree with
you on that one!

Lonny B




Scout April 2nd 05 03:10 PM

LP,
Apparently we enjoy the company.
We find reasons to come back.
Because we can be cantankerous here?
Are we are cellmates in purgatory? masochists?
Either way, it seems like things have gotten out of hand.
I trust we're collectively smart enough to understand if not forgive,
and move on.
Scout



Thom Stewart April 2nd 05 03:38 PM

LP,

I'm aware of the lack of ownership of threads. I'm also well aware of
polite, decent behavior of people to people.

If you aren't I would rather not exchange views with you. Goodbye.

Ole Thom


Lady Pilot April 2nd 05 03:44 PM


"Lonny B" whined and spliced the reply by LP to make him
look like the idiot he is:

LP wrote something to the effect: . I am not too smart in my opinion,
but that's my opinion.


No, I didn't write anything of the sort. That's why you cut out what I
said, because you could not refute any of it because you are a loser.

LP




Lady Pilot April 2nd 05 03:51 PM


"Scout" wrote:
LP,
Apparently we enjoy the company.
We find reasons to come back.
Because we can be cantankerous here?


Yes, I think that's a big part of the attraction.

Are we are cellmates in purgatory? masochists?


I'm not Catholic, so I won't be going to purgatory. ;-)

Masochist? Hmmm, maybe.

Either way, it seems like things have gotten out of hand.
I trust we're collectively smart enough to understand if not forgive,
and move on.


I agree that things have gotten out of hand. I've forgiven everyone, even
katysails for what she said about my sons that started the flame war between
us.

On the other hand, Katy said that she would never forgive anyone nor
apologize. I guess that's the difference between katy and I.

LP



Thom Stewart April 2nd 05 03:52 PM

Welcome Tad,

I was beginning to think that "Downunder Guys" were driven off by grown
up people acting like "Young Brats"

Hope "The Oz" will still tell us about his new vessel.

Thank you for looking past the ill mannered few.

Ole Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage


Flying Tadpole April 2nd 05 04:06 PM

Thanks Thom. I've been seriously busy with the arid interior the
last few months and only been looking in very occasionally. I
can't say I was impressed by the thousands of spam posts some
cryptofascist/cryptoleftie is generating...

Only in for a short while (away again next week) but after a day
of absolute tedium as OOD at the baot club, my mind turned to
water...as it were...and I read your crie de coeur too!

Tim

Thom Stewart wrote:
Welcome Tad,

I was beginning to think that "Downunder Guys" were driven off by grown
up people acting like "Young Brats"

Hope "The Oz" will still tell us about his new vessel.

Thank you for looking past the ill mannered few.

Ole Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage


Lonny B April 2nd 05 05:40 PM

LP spewed: Basically a bunch of crap.

Oh, aren't we the priveledged ones for you having you in our company? Geez,
where would we be without you? Talking sailing perhaps?

Lonny B



Capt. Neal® April 2nd 05 06:23 PM


"Lonny B" whined . . .

Oh, aren't we the priveledged ones for you having you in our company? Geez,
where would we be without you? Talking sailing perhaps?

Lonny B



I doubt *you'd* be talking sailing as talking trash is all you ever do.

CN


Capt. Neal® April 2nd 05 06:36 PM


"Lady Pilot" wrote brilliantly in message news:LZt3e.15354$TZ.14107@okepread06...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote:

"Fred Hall" wrote:

Why don't you just kill file him, Ole Thom?


How can you justify censorship on one hand and subscribe to uncensored
speech on the other? [Databasix]


It's simple, Capt. Mooron. Let me see if I can make it simple enough for
the whiners of this group.

When a person doesn't like what someone writes, you simply plonk them,
otherwise known as a kill file or bozo bin. You don't go the katysails and
Ganz route and report them to their NSP or ISP.

In other words, when you make the decision to kill file, you are not
censoring anyone else's right to be able to read that person if they chose
to do so. To file a complaint to someone's provider is nothing less than
chicken **** behavior, which only cowards would engage in...

Understand now?



Good writing, LP!

May I append to your cogent thoughts that one can also identify netKKKop
sympathizers when they show obvious support for netKKKops?

The only real difference between a netKKKop and a NetKKKop sympathizer
is there is *little* difference. Both are the enemy.

Old Thom is a netKKKop sympathizer as is Lonny B, as is Maxprop, as is Scout
(of late - he's gotten off-track), as is Scotty (of late) as is BB and anybody else
who supports Haight and Ganz - two know netKKKops.

Please consider again my post titled, "Demonstrably Stupid". The above misguided
folks define the term. They take a public stand against freedom of speech.

CN


Scotty April 2nd 05 09:01 PM

Hey FT, we had flooding earlier this week, and now are supposed to get
2-3'' of rain this w/e.

Scotty



"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...
Thanks Thom. I've been seriously busy with the arid interior the
last few months and only been looking in very occasionally. I
can't say I was impressed by the thousands of spam posts some
cryptofascist/cryptoleftie is generating...

Only in for a short while (away again next week) but after a day
of absolute tedium as OOD at the baot club, my mind turned to
water...as it were...and I read your crie de coeur too!

Tim

Thom Stewart wrote:
Welcome Tad,

I was beginning to think that "Downunder Guys" were driven off by

grown
up people acting like "Young Brats"

Hope "The Oz" will still tell us about his new vessel.

Thank you for looking past the ill mannered few.

Ole Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage




Thom Stewart April 2nd 05 09:02 PM

John,

I do believe you will find a lot of the group agreeing with you about
the "whining baby"

Just wish I was sure it wasn't Neal posting from her 'puter.

I'm not sure his cruise isn't to Oklahoma rather than Bahamas.

Oh well, I'm proud of the way the Group stirred up BS and circulated
fresh air into the mess that a few created

Ole Thom


Capt. Neal® April 2nd 05 09:16 PM




"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
John,

I do believe you will find a lot of the group agreeing with you about
the "whining baby"

Just wish I was sure it wasn't Neal posting from her 'puter.

I'm not sure his cruise isn't to Oklahoma rather than Bahamas.

Oh well, I'm proud of the way the Group stirred up BS and circulated
fresh air into the mess that a few created

Ole Thom



Seems to me YOU are the one always whining about something or
another lately, Thom. Ever hear the expression, "People who live
in glass houses should not throw stones?"

CN

Capt. Neal® April 2nd 05 09:19 PM


"Thom Stewart" MAUDLINED . . .

Oh well, I'm proud of the way the Group stirred up BS and circulated
fresh air into the mess that a few created

Ole Thom


Fatherly pride in a newsgroup? You're about as pathetic as Haight!

NetKKKop supporters are netKKKops without balls.

CN

John Cairns April 2nd 05 09:22 PM


"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...


Scout wrote:
But when I see a thousand posts that all say "tee hee" I'm typically
going to raise my FU flag.


I tend to view the political spectrum as rather like a bacterial gene map,
ie, circular. And on such a map, the extreme right and extreme left,
inevitably, end up side by side.

So I can't quite decide whether the
thousands-increasing-by-orders-of-magnitude-"tee he" postings a
--the act of an extreme fascist, intent on silencing the opposition by the
crudest of means no matter what the collateral damage, or
--the act of an extreme leftie, intent on silencing the opposition by the
crudest of means no matter what the collateral damage.


--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://music.download.com/timfatchen
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm


Howabouta little verse? We definitely need some humor here, worst part about
the spoofs is they are definitely not funny nor witty nor vaguely clever.

John Cairns



Capt. Neal® April 2nd 05 09:39 PM


"John Cairns" wrote

snipped snippet worst part about
the spoofs is they are definitely not funny nor witty nor vaguely clever.

John Cairns


And you are?

CN

Scotty April 2nd 05 10:03 PM


"John Cairns" wrote

Howabouta little verse? We definitely need some humor here, worst

part about
the spoofs is they are definitely not funny nor witty nor vaguely

clever.


and you think FT is?

;)



Flying Tadpole April 2nd 05 10:43 PM



Scotty wrote:
"John Cairns" wrote

Howabouta little verse? We definitely need some humor here, worst


part about

the spoofs is they are definitely not funny nor witty nor vaguely


clever.


and you think FT is?

;)



Jeez Scotty, don't upset me this early in the morning. And I note
with cold clarity that you're using the same signoff as the
tee-hee-ing cryptofascist/ultra leftie, you know, that little
yellow thing with the eye swollen shut?
--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://music.download.com/timfatchen
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm

Flying Tadpole April 2nd 05 10:46 PM



John Cairns wrote:
"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...


Scout wrote:

But when I see a thousand posts that all say "tee hee" I'm typically
going to raise my FU flag.


I tend to view the political spectrum as rather like a bacterial gene map,
ie, circular. And on such a map, the extreme right and extreme left,
inevitably, end up side by side.

So I can't quite decide whether the
thousands-increasing-by-orders-of-magnitude-"tee he" postings a
--the act of an extreme fascist, intent on silencing the opposition by the
crudest of means no matter what the collateral damage, or
--the act of an extreme leftie, intent on silencing the opposition by the
crudest of means no matter what the collateral damage.


--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://music.download.com/timfatchen
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm



Howabouta little verse? We definitely need some humor here, worst part about
the spoofs is they are definitely not funny nor witty nor vaguely clever.

John Cairns


John, please remember I've got to have at least some material to
work with, and the fake postings are all vacuous (or, worse,
evacuating).
--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
Squareboats! http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/sbhome.htm
http://music.download.com/timfatchen
http://music.download.com/internetopera

Thom Stewart April 2nd 05 10:58 PM

In Response; not sure if it's for Fred Hall or LP;

I don't believe in Kill File. To me it is the same as closing your eye
and saying "I see nothing"

Besides, Neal is my friend. I even consider him my Buddy.

He is wrong in his actions in what he did!! He was willing to destroy
the Group to prove HIS point. I had to take a stand. If I didn't see
what he done I couldn't have taken a stand. As it turns out Scout could
easily whipped his ASS singlehanded

ASA FOREVER!!!!! "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!" If Mooron can stop pushing Jon's
HOT BUTTON we can drink together. He knows there is no proof of what he
says about JON. ( And he wants an Apology??)

By the way. He consider him a friend also

Ole Thom


Scout April 3rd 05 12:31 AM

Ole Thom,
You're the Dutch Uncle and the mentor this group so sorely needs. I'm happy
to see, that in spite of some occasional sassing, even the toughest posters
here can't seem to hide their respect for your wisdom! I only wish you were
still in Pennsylvania so we could sail together.
Scout



Thom Stewart April 3rd 05 12:35 AM

CN,

Not for Netkkkops but DAMN SURE not for GROUP DESTROYERS.

Individuals vs Individuals is one thing. Individual against a total
group for the satisfaction of punishing one or two of that group is
totally wrong, without justification. It is a very selfish mentality
that should not exist, in anyway, shape or form.

In short; It was a **** thing to do and should be looked out for in the
future and guarded against

Jon felt the NETKKKOP thing was don't to him first. Neal, You took
credit for it. When he tried to reply in kind, you had the balls to
think the Group wouldn't protect itself from your terrible attempt at
destruction? You under estimated the people of this group very badly.
You fell into your own trap of believing the lies you made up about us.
SURPRISE!!! we verbally "Kick the Living ****" out of you!

You were wrong and dangerous and deserved what you got

Ole Thom


Capt. Mooron April 3rd 05 12:36 AM


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message

If Mooron can stop pushing Jon's
HOT BUTTON we can drink together.


I only drink with friends or people I respect... you fall into neither
catagory.

He knows there is no proof of what he
says about JON.


What has that got to do with anything.... I'd suggest you mind your own
affairs.

( And he wants an Apology??)

No.. I don't want an apology. You've made plain and public your opinion of
me.

By the way. He consider him a friend also.


I sincerely hope that the intent of that sentence was to claim you consider
Jon a friend.

CM



JG April 3rd 05 01:00 AM

Mooron can push all he wants... no hot buttom to be found. I don't want an
apology either for all his verbal abuse.

Reminds me of Fredrick the Great... "In victory, be magnanimous. In defeat,
be defiant."

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
In Response; not sure if it's for Fred Hall or LP;

I don't believe in Kill File. To me it is the same as closing your eye
and saying "I see nothing"

Besides, Neal is my friend. I even consider him my Buddy.

He is wrong in his actions in what he did!! He was willing to destroy
the Group to prove HIS point. I had to take a stand. If I didn't see
what he done I couldn't have taken a stand. As it turns out Scout could
easily whipped his ASS singlehanded

ASA FOREVER!!!!! "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!" If Mooron can stop pushing Jon's
HOT BUTTON we can drink together. He knows there is no proof of what he
says about JON. ( And he wants an Apology??)

By the way. He consider him a friend also

Ole Thom




JG April 3rd 05 01:01 AM

Don't know about what Thom thinks, but I consider him a friend.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:_%F3e.127639$ZO2.46107@edtnps84...

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message

If Mooron can stop pushing Jon's
HOT BUTTON we can drink together.


I only drink with friends or people I respect... you fall into neither
catagory.

He knows there is no proof of what he
says about JON.


What has that got to do with anything.... I'd suggest you mind your own
affairs.

( And he wants an Apology??)

No.. I don't want an apology. You've made plain and public your opinion
of me.

By the way. He consider him a friend also.


I sincerely hope that the intent of that sentence was to claim you
consider Jon a friend.

CM





Capt. Neal® April 3rd 05 01:32 AM


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
You were wrong and dangerous and deserved what you got

Ole Thom


You sad, decaying, old fart!

Tell me, Mr. Goody Two Shoes, just what is it that I got besides
the pleasure of discovering how out of touch with reality you
and two or three other delusional netKKKop supporting assholes
really are?

Try to remember any so-called slapping around is being done to
Haight and Ganz. A few attempted slaps from a trio or four
clueless lamers with no balls is of no consequence whatsoever.

Now, run along and take your meds before you have a stroke or
something from all the excitement. The group would surely
miss the comic relief you provide.

CN


Scout April 3rd 05 01:41 AM

"Capt. Neal®" wrote
[snip]
Now, run along and take your meds before you have a stroke or
something from all the excitement. The group would surely
miss the comic relief you provide.


Get a clue Neal.
YOU were the comic relief and you just didn't know it. Your tongue-in-cheek
posts of the past were worth reading but your well has become poisoned. Dig
deeper and you might just save yourself. As of now, you're no more than a
bitter old clown!
Focus less on being a sailor and more on being a man.
Scout



Scotty April 3rd 05 02:44 AM


"Flying Tadpole" wrote

the spoofs is they are definitely not funny nor witty nor vaguely


clever.


and you think FT is?

;)



Jeez Scotty, don't upset me this early in the morning. And I note
with cold clarity that you're using the same signoff as the
tee-hee-ing cryptofascist/ultra leftie, you know, that little
yellow thing with the eye swollen shut?


I gave no critique, no opinion, I merely asked John a question.

Is tadpole skin really *that* thin?

yellow eye?

Scotty





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