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"JG" wrote: Donal, Of course it's "possible." However, I will neither confirm nor deny it. You don't need to "confirm nor deny" it Ganzy! I've seen proof! Why do you add your home and cell numbers to the abuse reports, loser? I'm truly sorry for you. Too bad most in this newsgroup, except Scotty and Katywails of course, can sympathize with your abhorrent behavior! LP |
"JG" wrote in message ... Neal is so totally full of it, he's leaking from the years. He claims that I've been netcoping him for years, and that I've bragged about it. However, he's unable to show a single post with me doing that. He's a liar. Nothing new. Would you *really* like the netkkkoping **** you wrote posted in asa? You've lost it, boi friend. I can't speak to what Katy has or hasn't done. You didn't share your "newgroup netkkkop" forms with katy? They sound so familar...are you two sleeping together also? Certainly, if she did rat him out to his ISP, he deserved it. I have no problem with that. Only you and the whore katysails deserve what you are getting from the usenet admins. nothing more, nothing less LP |
"Fred Hall" wrote: On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 23:13:52 -0800, "JG" wrote: I never said I reported him. He's delusional or lying, but what you wrote is about right. Did you or didn't your report him? What's the truth, Ganz? Very cute, sweetie. Ganz will never confess, no matter how many times you ask him to be an honorable man. It's not in his bi-sexual genes. I truly believe he can't help hisself. LP |
"Scotty" wrote: "Lady Pilot" wrote Shame on you CM. Shame on you, Scotty. That was a dig at Mooron. He still has a sense of humour. And you lost your sense of humor when? So you take the side of snitches like Ganz better to be aside of , rather than in front of JG. Agreed! and katysails? Well, IF I have to choose sides, as one does in a playground brawl, yes, Katy's been a friend for a long time. Who would ask you to chose sides, unless it was from a homely bitch named katysails? I actually thought you had more honor. Nope, not me. Well, katy scum attracts katy scum...a law of physics I presume? My mistake! I guess you would turn in your neighbor or fellow sailor for smoking a doobie? Only if they bogarted me. So you would just sit there and go to jail for a katykook? I don't know whether to call you lazy or stupid. Enjoy the katysex!!!! LP |
"Donal" wrote in message If you want to know how a real homosexual man deals with accusations of homosexuality then why don't you accuse me of being a Homo? I'll be quite happy to give you a demonstration Donal came out? |
"Lady Pilot" wrote in message news:YG54e.16933$TZ.1636@okepread06... So you would just sit there and go to jail for a katykook? I don't know whether to call you lazy or stupid. call me 'gone'. PLONK |
"Scotty" wrote in message ... "Donal" wrote in message If you want to know how a real homosexual man deals with accusations of homosexuality then why don't you accuse me of being a Homo? I'll be quite happy to give you a demonstration Donal came out? Of course I did. Haven't you heard that women think of gay men as a challenge? I'm as bent as a nine bob note! Regards Donal -- |
"JG" wrote in message ... Donal, Of course it's "possible." However, I will neither confirm nor deny it. OK, so you don't care what we think. So, you're left with either believing Neal, I read his posts in the spirit that he intended them. who is a known liar Is he? or with accepting the fact that you'll never know for sure. Assuming for a moment that I did actually contact his ISP (and we're not talking recently here), then is it possible for you to imagine a situation that would make it ok to do so... I mean beyond reacting to his foul language and odd views of the world? What would be an acceptable reason in your view for protesting to an ISP? Neal seems to have no problem supposedly bragging about reporting me to supernews. Quite honestly, ..... I didn't believe him for a second. You were busy on a job that prevented you from accessing the newsgroup at the time. I don't see you decrying that. Why the double standard, especially w.r.t. Neal? Neal didn't report you. I will say this about that... :-) For someone to call me a homo is not an issue that would cause me to "report someone to his ISP." I'm sure it would be viewed as a stupid complaint with no merit, since filtering is available. And, in fact, I have filtered Neal pretty effectively. The only time I see his posts are when someone copies them in theirs. You've claimed in the past that I had no sense of humor and yet it seems you don't. Wally's post was right on. You said it was a good post and a chided you by saying that it was a great post. Obviously, you're humor impaired not to see the humor in that. Very funny! I'm truly sorry for you. Thanks. I appreciate your sympathy. It helps me to get through the day. BTW, Do you think that Neal has violated his TOS. If so, what did he do that breached the rules? Regards Donal -- |
"Scotty" wrote in message ... "Lady Pilot" wrote in message news:YG54e.16933$TZ.1636@okepread06... So you would just sit there and go to jail for a katykook? I don't know whether to call you lazy or stupid. call me 'gone'. What a stylish plonking! The slag didn't deserve it. Regards Donal -- |
Top-posted to annoy the flonkers..... Yeah, I ignored most of it. I kf'ed Jon a while ago, the filter should expire soon, we'll see if the content has improved. In hindsight I coulda put in a filter to kill your 'HOMO' posts but what the hey, that's marginally harder than I can generally be bothered with. I had a nice break away from it all, saw some new icebergs, a couple new (to me) whale species and a chinstrap penguin a long way from where he should be. Managed to swipe a floe with a sleeping leopard seal on it and ruin his day so badly there were stains on the ice as he left :-) I can't really take asa at all seriously and I don't much care. It's entertainment. When a thread gets boring - ignore. Ditto for people who simply can't keep up. Hope you get to splash Overproof soon. I've been sailing Patanela D every second day or so since I got back. PDW In article OvV3e.166159$fc4.13772@edtnps89, Capt. Mooron wrote: "Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. Ummm, Moron - the postings Thom was referring to were those repetitive, boring, content-free ones lacking it life, wit, humour or any trace of originality whereby you just called Jon a HOMO for post after boring post after boring post after boring post after ...... ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz Heh.. Look... Ganz had been at it for months. I fiqured it was time he was subjected to the same bland repetative regieme. I admit... and stated as much that it was like playing "Whack the Gopher" at a fair.... only difference being the gopher was frothing more each time it popped up. I had no problem with it since I was not employed at the time and had sufficent time on my hands to persue this objective. I posted sailing related content as well as some replies to off topic threads during that time. Look Peter... when I am not interested in following a prolonged disscussion between Doug and Dave of investments and social security ... I just select and delete the thread.... or ignore their posts. Thom could have employed a killfile as could everyone else. I suggested it to anyone that had a concern. You have, as explained... several options at your disposal... a kill file or the choice of ignoring the post and the option of reply. I even assured that I would include a word in every reply to Jon that could have been entered in a kill file message "if content contains" for those of which cared to follow my other posts while avoiding my trouncing of Ganz. My primary objection is that this involved nobody but Ganz and myself. Thom decided to involve himself of his own free will. Not only did he take the liberty and attitude that his opinion was of merit to me or not... he attacked me in the process. Now he seems surprised that I've taken this in a negative manner???? Don't take it as an attempt to be your conscience. Take it as a critique on style. Critique on style ? I admitted no "style" was involved in those posts.... on many occasions. I consider advice but I question direction. I do not consider mutual respect to be asking too much. Had I attacked Thom as Ganz had on several occassions ... then I could have understood his actions. Thom seems to have the mistaken belief that he is the adjudicator of disputes and enforcer of posting content. As it is... I have made it clear to Thom that his manner of appraoch has clarified his opinion of me. I owe him no consideration nor compliance. Respect is earned and age does not give carte blanche to such considerations. Think about it... if Thom had approached me as you have here... I would have been much more receptive to his concerns.... CM |
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See, it's working already. Hey Tad, how goes the mud sailing? I've been having a lotta fun with my CCA treated pine sailboat with the welded mast. Got any tips for getting off a lee shore with 150mm of water under you so the lateral plane is about zero? I haven't added a motor yet but that's due to laziness rather than any matter of principle. I don't much care about the time it takes to go anywhere, tons of fish & birds to watch anyway. PDW In article , Flying Tadpole wrote: Peter Wiley wrote: That's typical LP bull****, anyway. More like, would you turn in your neighbour for dumping a huge amount of **** in the road where everyone could see it, and plastering your name & address all over it? You turkeys started it by forging posts purporting to come from Katy. You got what you deserved. Soon you'll be in so many killfiles here that your virtual existence will be over. Katy will still be here. Who's LP? |
Peter Wiley wrote: See, it's working already. -ed, not -ing. Hey Tad, how goes the mud sailing? I've been having a lotta fun with my CCA treated pine sailboat with the welded mast. Got any tips for getting off a lee shore with 150mm of water under you so the lateral plane is about zero? I haven't added a motor yet but that's due to laziness rather than any matter of principle. snip Leeboards will continue to work until you totally ground. The original Flying Tadpole II was able to do it by sailing on a broad reach and witching up, all the while praying that what little of the daggerboard was down wouldn't hit anything: but in her case the folding rudder was acting as the main lateral plane and leading to tendonitis in later years. Oars are useful. a small 2hp motor is smart for just that eventuality. How is the CCA pine doing as its own antifoul? -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- http://www.ace.net.au/schooner http://music.download.com/timfatchen http://music.download.com/internetopera |
"Peter Wiley" wrote: Top-posted to annoy the flonkers..... It doesn't annoy them, they laugh at the fool you are, idiot! LP |
In article , Flying Tadpole
wrote: Peter Wiley wrote: See, it's working already. -ed, not -ing. Hey Tad, how goes the mud sailing? I've been having a lotta fun with my CCA treated pine sailboat with the welded mast. Got any tips for getting off a lee shore with 150mm of water under you so the lateral plane is about zero? I haven't added a motor yet but that's due to laziness rather than any matter of principle. snip Leeboards will continue to work until you totally ground. The c/b does that, too, as it pivots back nicely. I have a pennant going fwd to a block then back to a clam cleat under the centre thwart so I can raise it a little at a time to keep max plane. When you hear the grating noise, it's time to haul a bit more. Rudder kicks up when it hits the bottom. The original Flying Tadpole II was able to do it by sailing on a broad reach and witching up, all the while praying that what little of the daggerboard was down wouldn't hit anything: but in her case the folding rudder was acting as the main lateral plane and leading to tendonitis in later years. Yeah, I can feel your pain.... Oars are useful. I have a couple of paddles. They were cheap. They are of marginal use if you're by yourself. Gotta get some oars which means (re)fitting the rowlocks. Dunno how I'll go with them, tho, given the restricted range of movement in the arm. Only one way to find out. a small 2hp motor is smart for just that eventuality. It's on the list....... How is the CCA pine doing as its own antifoul? Nothing seems to be living on it. Gonna haul this afternoon. I've decided the bowsprit was a good idea but now there's too much lee helm. I'll make a new mast base about a foot back and then make a new set of stays & shrouds to suit. I never did like the existing chainplates anyway, and I have a huge supply of scrap. Sometimes I think I took up boats to finally have a hobby where I'd never run out of things to do, things to change, things to repair and tools to play with while doing it. The sailing side is pretty cool, too. Might build an elongated Buehler Pogo next, just for fun. Gaff schooner rig. I have a Yanmar 3HP diesel engine with g/box that needs a boat. PDW |
Peter Wiley wrote: In article , Flying Tadpole wrote: Peter Wiley wrote: See, it's working already. -ed, not -ing. Hey Tad, how goes the mud sailing? I've been having a lotta fun with my CCA treated pine sailboat with the welded mast. Got any tips for getting off a lee shore with 150mm of water under you so the lateral plane is about zero? I haven't added a motor yet but that's due to laziness rather than any matter of principle. snip Leeboards will continue to work until you totally ground. The c/b does that, too, as it pivots back nicely. I have a pennant going fwd to a block then back to a clam cleat under the centre thwart so I can raise it a little at a time to keep max plane. When you hear the grating noise, it's time to haul a bit more. Rudder kicks up when it hits the bottom. No, not what I meant. Leeboards will _still_ give you some lateral plane (also tunnel effects) at the point where you have your c/b all the way up and there's only 1cm of water under your keel. Similarly, a kick-up rudder will too (not a spade rudder, the kickup has to rotate). Pity about where the centre of effort shifts in relation to the centre of resistance, but what the hey--even with the lee helm you've still got a chance of sailing out with leeboards. (all learnt from bitter experience with the original Flying Tadpole--although she had a 12ft large-bladed steering oar and could always be sculled out of trouble) I have a couple of paddles. They were cheap. They are of marginal use if you're by yourself. Gotta get some oars which means (re)fitting the rowlocks. Dunno how I'll go with them, tho, given the restricted range of movement in the arm. Only one way to find out. Short strokes, Peter, Short strokes. My nymph dinghy only allows 7ft oars, and it's a real bummer at first to respond to the little strokes they enforce (hard long strokes tip the dinghy over... How is the CCA pine doing as its own antifoul? Nothing seems to be living on it. Yeah... they're surreptitiously removing it from all the vineyards around here, and I'm not allowed to recommend CCA sleepers for resting oil flowlines on in the cattle country... Gonna haul this afternoon. I've decided the bowsprit was a good idea but now there's too much lee helm. I'll make a new mast base about a foot back and then make a new set of stays & shrouds to suit. I never did like the existing chainplates anyway, and I have a huge supply of scrap. Sometimes I think I took up boats to finally have a hobby where I'd never run out of things to do, things to change, things to repair and tools to play with while doing it. The sailing side is pretty cool, too. You _could_ have rigged unstayed, it would be saner if less weatherly for such a craft. Might build an elongated Buehler Pogo next, just for fun. Gaff schooner rig. I have a Yanmar 3HP diesel engine with g/box that needs a boat. Ah. I retract my previous statement. Nothing wrong with your sanity index. PDW -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- http://www.ace.net.au/schooner http://music.download.com/timfatchen http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm |
The c/b does that, too, as it pivots back nicely. I have a pennant
going fwd to a block then back to a clam cleat under the centre thwart so I can raise it a little at a time to keep max plane. When you hear the grating noise, it's time to haul a bit more. Rudder kicks up when it hits the bottom. Flying Tadpole wrote: No, not what I meant. Leeboards will _still_ give you some lateral plane (also tunnel effects) at the point where you have your c/b all the way up and there's only 1cm of water under your keel. That's true. The leeboards are better at the super-shallow sailing. But they also have twice as much drag. Not sure if the "tunnel effect" is helpful or hurtful, that kind of hydrodynamics is very picky. I have a couple of paddles. They were cheap. They are of marginal use if you're by yourself. Gotta get some oars which means (re)fitting the rowlocks. Dunno how I'll go with them, tho, given the restricted range of movement in the arm. Only one way to find out. Rowing can be very therapeutic. Remember to take it easy at first, that's the difficult part. I tend to get all wound up and pull like hell then suffer later. Short strokes, Peter, Short strokes. My nymph dinghy only allows 7ft oars, and it's a real bummer at first to respond to the little strokes they enforce (hard long strokes tip the dinghy over... ??? Never had that problem. Another useful technique is to alternate sides, this keeps the stroke short. It makes the boat waggle from side to side but if you get the timing right this helps visibility. How is the CCA pine doing as its own antifoul? Nothing seems to be living on it. Now I'm curious. What is "CCA pine?" Gonna haul this afternoon. I've decided the bowsprit was a good idea but now there's too much lee helm. I'll make a new mast base about a foot back and then make a new set of stays & shrouds to suit. I never did like the existing chainplates anyway, and I have a huge supply of scrap. Keep in mind this is going to change the sheeting geometry. A foot is a lot! You sure you don't want to trial it at a bit less? How far back have you raked the mast? This will give you a good way to measure how far back to move the CE. .... Sometimes I think I took up boats to finally have a hobby where I'd never run out of things to do, things to change, things to repair and tools to play with while doing it. The sailing side is pretty cool, too. Moderation in all things... don't be like Vito and focus solely on working on the boat! You _could_ have rigged unstayed, it would be saner if less weatherly for such a craft. Not necessarily less weatherly. The engineering would be a bit more intense, remember he's flying a bigger headsail. Might build an elongated Buehler Pogo next, just for fun. Gaff schooner rig. I have a Yanmar 3HP diesel engine with g/box that needs a boat. Ah. I retract my previous statement. Nothing wrong with your sanity index. I guess all is relative ;) http://www.georgebuehler.com/pogo.html Looks like a fun boat, but it's a lot heavier than FT2. FResh Breezes- Doug King |
DSK wrote: The c/b does that, too, as it pivots back nicely. I have a pennant going fwd to a block then back to a clam cleat under the centre thwart so I can raise it a little at a time to keep max plane. When you hear the grating noise, it's time to haul a bit more. Rudder kicks up when it hits the bottom. Flying Tadpole wrote: No, not what I meant. Leeboards will _still_ give you some lateral plane (also tunnel effects) at the point where you have your c/b all the way up and there's only 1cm of water under your keel. That's true. The leeboards are better at the super-shallow sailing. But they also have twice as much drag. Yes, but his problem was getting wrecked in the shoals. One accepts drag as payment if it helps you get out. BTW now is the time one is supposed to drag Dutch leeboarders out as the prize example, but it's actually fallacious; leeboards were used as much because they avoid slotting a hull, and so allow a potentially stronger hull, as for their shallow sailing abilities. An entire hull is an advantage if you keep boun\cing on sand at low tide! Not sure if the "tunnel effect" is helpful or hurtful, that kind of hydrodynamics is very picky. On FLying Tadpole the FIrst, it was hurtful until I got the leeboards the right distance out and the right toe-in, then it was helpful... I have a couple of paddles. They were cheap. They are of marginal use if you're by yourself. Gotta get some oars which means (re)fitting the rowlocks. Dunno how I'll go with them, tho, given the restricted range of movement in the arm. Only one way to find out. Rowing can be very therapeutic. Remember to take it easy at first, that's the difficult part. I tend to get all wound up and pull like hell then suffer later. Short strokes, Peter, Short strokes. My nymph dinghy only allows 7ft oars, and it's a real bummer at first to respond to the little strokes they enforce (hard long strokes tip the dinghy over... ??? Never had that problem. Another useful technique is to alternate sides, this keeps the stroke short. It makes the boat waggle from side to side but if you get the timing right this helps visibility. It would make my little pram go round'n'round like a coracle... How is the CCA pine doing as its own antifoul? Nothing seems to be living on it. Now I'm curious. What is "CCA pine?" Apple urgies. Copper Chrome Arsenate pressure-treated softwood. "PermaPine". Impervious to rot, lethal to borers, white ants, unfortunate propensity to poison you if used as barbeque fuel, but also prone to explode when overheated...when it disintegrates, leaves traces of (you guessed it) copper, chrome and arsenic. Safe to lean against, not to chew contemplatively. Sawdust nearly as poisonous as western red cedar. snip You _could_ have rigged unstayed, it would be saner if less weatherly for such a craft. Not necessarily less weatherly. The engineering would be a bit more intense, remember he's flying a bigger headsail. Well, that's a mistake in an unstayed craft. Use a bigger main. Or dispose of the jib entirely and replace it with the forward bit of a balanced lug! Might build an elongated Buehler Pogo next, just for fun. Gaff schooner rig. I have a Yanmar 3HP diesel engine with g/box that needs a boat. Ah. I retract my previous statement. Nothing wrong with your sanity index. I guess all is relative ;) There is no relative with a schooner of any sort. It is all superlative. http://www.georgebuehler.com/pogo.html Looks like a fun boat, but it's a lot heavier than FT2. Yeah, but he doesn't need to be a hyperfit young adult to drive it, either. FT2 is going to come home from Port Augusta soon, get stripped back to wood-epoxy, critical things fixed, then sold as is. Harsh physical reality is I'm unlikely to sail her again and I need all maintenenace time at present to keep Lady Kate happy.-- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- http://www.ace.net.au/schooner http://music.download.com/timfatchen http://music.download.com/internetopera |
That's true. The leeboards are better at the super-shallow sailing.
But they also have twice as much drag. Flying Tadpole wrote: Yes, but his problem was getting wrecked in the shoals. One accepts drag as payment if it helps you get out. Actually, I was thinking of them dragging the bottom... ... BTW now is the time one is supposed to drag Dutch leeboarders out as the prize example, but it's actually fallacious; leeboards were used as much because they avoid slotting a hull, and so allow a potentially stronger hull, as for their shallow sailing abilities. An advantage that has been negated by modern technology. ... An entire hull is an advantage if you keep boun\cing on sand at low tide! Yes much better than a partial hull, I'm sure ;) Not sure if the "tunnel effect" is helpful or hurtful, that kind of hydrodynamics is very picky. On FLying Tadpole the FIrst, it was hurtful until I got the leeboards the right distance out and the right toe-in, then it was helpful... Toe-in is "tunnel effect"? I thought you mean the pressure change due to flow between the hull & leeboard. BTW a centerboard can be set to angle itslef slightly to windward, just like toe-in with leeboards, bilgeboards, or catamaran foils. This used to be called a "gybing" board and it's a big help. ??? Never had that problem. Another useful technique is to alternate sides, this keeps the stroke short. It makes the boat waggle from side to side but if you get the timing right this helps visibility. It would make my little pram go round'n'round like a coracle... Try shorter strokes. I guess all is relative ;) There is no relative with a schooner of any sort. It is all superlative. I meant relative sanity. FWIW I agree about schooners. I have only sailed a few but always admired them tremendously. Here it's commonly said that schooners are an American rig, even an American invention, but one sees native schooner types all over the world. I'm sad to hear you're planning on selling FT2, it has been a pleasure to sail her vicariously. BTW did I ever send you that picture of the FT2 sistership with the box cabin? Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
snip Not sure if the "tunnel effect" is helpful or hurtful, that kind of hydrodynamics is very picky. On FLying Tadpole the FIrst, it was hurtful until I got the leeboards the right distance out and the right toe-in, then it was helpful... Toe-in is "tunnel effect"? I thought you mean the pressure change due to flow between the hull & leeboard. No, the distance I had the leeboards out from the hull was one thing and their toe-in another (FT1 had leeboards mounted on an outrigger boom, not directly on the canoe's hull. And the hull was still widening at the point the boom crossed it, so water flow faced a constrciting passage, not parallel. A few cm in or out made a surprisign difference. Then I fiddled with the toe in .) BTW a centerboard can be set to angle itslef slightly to windward, just like toe-in with leeboards, bilgeboards, or catamaran foils. This used to be called a "gybing" board and it's a big help. snip FWIW I agree about schooners. I have only sailed a few but always admired them tremendously. Here it's commonly said that schooners are an American rig, even an American invention, but one sees native schooner types all over the world. I'm sad to hear you're planning on selling FT2, it has been a pleasure to sail her vicariously. BTW did I ever send you that picture of the FT2 sistership with the box cabin? Yes thanks. One day when I finally update the Light Schooner page I will put it up. -- Flying Tadpole ------------------------- http://www.ace.net.au/schooner http://music.download.com/timfatchen http://music.download.com/internetopera |
"JG" wrote in message ... Why are you being a jerk? Oh, I know. You have a serious personality disorder. Sorry. Jon, I think that you forgot to "confirm or deny" Mooron's allegation. Personality disorders are a big advantage on ASA. Isn't it about time that you were man enough to confirm, or deny, that you have been complaining to ISPs? Regards Donal -- |
Sorry Donal, but I have a firm policy about confirming or denying
allegations made by fruitloops. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Donal" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... Why are you being a jerk? Oh, I know. You have a serious personality disorder. Sorry. Jon, I think that you forgot to "confirm or deny" Mooron's allegation. Personality disorders are a big advantage on ASA. Isn't it about time that you were man enough to confirm, or deny, that you have been complaining to ISPs? Regards Donal -- |
"JG" wrote in message ... Sorry Donal, but I have a firm policy about confirming or denying allegations made by fruitloops. I think that you have made abuse complaints. Do yo think that I am a "fruitloop"? Regards Donal -- |
Not at all. You're welcome to believe what you want to believe. No objection
here. Do you believe that Neal complainted to SuperNews about me? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Donal" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... Sorry Donal, but I have a firm policy about confirming or denying allegations made by fruitloops. I think that you have made abuse complaints. Do yo think that I am a "fruitloop"? Regards Donal -- |
"Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. Top-posted to annoy the flonkers..... Yeah, I ignored most of it. I kf'ed Jon a while ago, the filter should expire soon, we'll see if the content has improved. In hindsight I coulda put in a filter to kill your 'HOMO' posts but what the hey, that's marginally harder than I can generally be bothered with. Don't hold your breath..... it's been proven that any attempt to teach a pig to sing results in failure. I had a nice break away from it all, saw some new icebergs, a couple new (to me) whale species and a chinstrap penguin a long way from where he should be. Managed to swipe a floe with a sleeping leopard seal on it and ruin his day so badly there were stains on the ice as he left :-) I can't really take asa at all seriously and I don't much care. It's entertainment. When a thread gets boring - ignore. Ditto for people who simply can't keep up. Sounds like an excellent trip. I'd love to get to the Antarctic someday. I understand the Leopard Seal is the top predator in the Antarctic... can you clarify that? Hope you get to splash Overproof soon. I've been sailing Patanela D every second day or so since I got back. Overproof will probably see the ocean in May. That clip provided by Ganz on another post was very entertaining.... it's amazing to see a vessel flounder in such a mild wave. It's indicative of the lack of talent and ability of sailors in his area. Double the size of the wave and you have the Gull Rocks at the mouth of my bay with breaking seas..... my double ender surfs that with no problem. PDW In article OvV3e.166159$fc4.13772@edtnps89, Capt. Mooron wrote: "Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. Ummm, Moron - the postings Thom was referring to were those repetitive, boring, content-free ones lacking it life, wit, humour or any trace of originality whereby you just called Jon a HOMO for post after boring post after boring post after boring post after ...... ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz Heh.. Look... Ganz had been at it for months. I fiqured it was time he was subjected to the same bland repetative regieme. I admit... and stated as much that it was like playing "Whack the Gopher" at a fair.... only difference being the gopher was frothing more each time it popped up. I had no problem with it since I was not employed at the time and had sufficent time on my hands to persue this objective. I posted sailing related content as well as some replies to off topic threads during that time. Look Peter... when I am not interested in following a prolonged disscussion between Doug and Dave of investments and social security ... I just select and delete the thread.... or ignore their posts. Thom could have employed a killfile as could everyone else. I suggested it to anyone that had a concern. You have, as explained... several options at your disposal... a kill file or the choice of ignoring the post and the option of reply. I even assured that I would include a word in every reply to Jon that could have been entered in a kill file message "if content contains" for those of which cared to follow my other posts while avoiding my trouncing of Ganz. My primary objection is that this involved nobody but Ganz and myself. Thom decided to involve himself of his own free will. Not only did he take the liberty and attitude that his opinion was of merit to me or not... he attacked me in the process. Now he seems surprised that I've taken this in a negative manner???? Don't take it as an attempt to be your conscience. Take it as a critique on style. Critique on style ? I admitted no "style" was involved in those posts.... on many occasions. I consider advice but I question direction. I do not consider mutual respect to be asking too much. Had I attacked Thom as Ganz had on several occassions ... then I could have understood his actions. Thom seems to have the mistaken belief that he is the adjudicator of disputes and enforcer of posting content. As it is... I have made it clear to Thom that his manner of appraoch has clarified his opinion of me. I owe him no consideration nor compliance. Respect is earned and age does not give carte blanche to such considerations. Think about it... if Thom had approached me as you have here... I would have been much more receptive to his concerns.... CM |
You have no idea of the level of skill required to sail in SF area,
especially the north bay. It is not quite true that if you can sail here, you can sail anywhere, but it's almost true. We sail pretty much all year here, except during major storms. (100 mph has been recorded on Angel Island during a storm.) The current, tides, and traffic (from tankers to kayaks) make for uninterrupted variation from day to day. I have no doubt that your much larger double ender wouldn't have a problem with waves like these or larger. The person in question was on a much smaller boat. I doubt you would do as well in the same conditions on the same boat. Sure, he screwed up by sailing there in the first place, but at least he gets out and sails. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:mKG4e.3873$vt1.1415@edtnps90... Overproof will probably see the ocean in May. That clip provided by Ganz on another post was very entertaining.... it's amazing to see a vessel flounder in such a mild wave. It's indicative of the lack of talent and ability of sailors in his area. Double the size of the wave and you have the Gull Rocks at the mouth of my bay with breaking seas..... my double ender surfs that with no problem. |
"JG" wrote in message ... Not at all. You're welcome to believe what you want to believe. No objection here. Do you believe that Neal complainted to SuperNews about me? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com So upset about it that he cannot even spell . . . complainted??? Ask yourself, are rapists in prison raped? Are netKKKops in society netKKKopped? CN |
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:mKG4e.3873$vt1.1415@edtnps90... "Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. Top-posted to annoy the flonkers..... Yeah, I ignored most of it. I kf'ed Jon a while ago, the filter should expire soon, we'll see if the content has improved. In hindsight I coulda put in a filter to kill your 'HOMO' posts but what the hey, that's marginally harder than I can generally be bothered with. Don't hold your breath..... it's been proven that any attempt to teach a pig to sing results in failure. I had a nice break away from it all, saw some new icebergs, a couple new (to me) whale species and a chinstrap penguin a long way from where he should be. Managed to swipe a floe with a sleeping leopard seal on it and ruin his day so badly there were stains on the ice as he left :-) I can't really take asa at all seriously and I don't much care. It's entertainment. When a thread gets boring - ignore. Ditto for people who simply can't keep up. Sounds like an excellent trip. I'd love to get to the Antarctic someday. I understand the Leopard Seal is the top predator in the Antarctic... can you clarify that? Don't tell that to the Orca . . . CN |
In article , Flying Tadpole
wrote: Peter Wiley wrote: In article , Flying Tadpole wrote: No, not what I meant. Leeboards will _still_ give you some lateral plane (also tunnel effects) at the point where you have your c/b all the way up and there's only 1cm of water under your keel. Similarly, a kick-up rudder will too (not a spade rudder, the kickup has to rotate). Pity about where the centre of effort shifts in relation to the centre of resistance, but what the hey--even with the lee helm you've still got a chance of sailing out with leeboards. (all learnt from bitter experience with the original Flying Tadpole--although she had a 12ft large-bladed steering oar and could always be sculled out of trouble) Fitting leeboards would be a PITA given the hull shape. The rudder is a kick-up one and gives a lotta leverage when the big blade is training behind. Gonna haul this afternoon. I've decided the bowsprit was a good idea but now there's too much lee helm. I'll make a new mast base about a foot back and then make a new set of stays & shrouds to suit. I never did like the existing chainplates anyway, and I have a huge supply of scrap. Sometimes I think I took up boats to finally have a hobby where I'd never run out of things to do, things to change, things to repair and tools to play with while doing it. The sailing side is pretty cool, too. You _could_ have rigged unstayed, it would be saner if less weatherly for such a craft. I've thought of that. Might do it. Problem with the orig design is, the mast is deck stepped on a small foredeck so sans stays, it'd fall over. If I move it back and build a nice welded alum base for it, I might make a tabernackle setup & then an unstayed rig might be practical. Drilling a couple holes thru the mast low down & TIG welding in some bushes for a pivot bolt & locking bolt is pretty simple. A single junk sail could be cheap & fun at that point. Might build an elongated Buehler Pogo next, just for fun. Gaff schooner rig. I have a Yanmar 3HP diesel engine with g/box that needs a boat. Ah. I retract my previous statement. Nothing wrong with your sanity index. I've got the plans, the engine & the inclination. All I lack is the space & time, and as soon as council approves my barn plans, space will be forthcoming. As for time........ I've thought of loading a couple extra 20' containers aboard when I do another deep south winter cruise. 2-3 months in a polynya in winter gives you a lot of time to build stuff coz there ain't much point in spending long outside. No rush. A Pogo on the D'Entrecausteaux Channel would be great. It really is a wonderful place to poke about in boats. PDW |
In article , DSK
wrote: I have a couple of paddles. They were cheap. They are of marginal use if you're by yourself. Gotta get some oars which means (re)fitting the rowlocks. Dunno how I'll go with them, tho, given the restricted range of movement in the arm. Only one way to find out. Rowing can be very therapeutic. Remember to take it easy at first, that's the difficult part. I tend to get all wound up and pull like hell then suffer later. This boat had rowlocks on it but the wood was all rotten, so when I stripped it back, they went. Only take me a few hours to replace them. It's on the job list. Gonna haul this afternoon. I've decided the bowsprit was a good idea but now there's too much lee helm. I'll make a new mast base about a foot back and then make a new set of stays & shrouds to suit. I never did like the existing chainplates anyway, and I have a huge supply of scrap. Keep in mind this is going to change the sheeting geometry. A foot is a lot! You sure you don't want to trial it at a bit less? How far back have you raked the mast? This will give you a good way to measure how far back to move the CE. It's a PITA. The existing stays were cut to exact length by the PO so you can't adjust rake without cutting them, adding turnbuckles etc etc. By the time you do all that, might as well make a new spot to put the mast too. Moving the mast aft to the fwd thwart is the next good strong point to feed thrust to the keel; I rebuilt all the woodwork so I know it'll handle any load likely to be inflicted on it. I might be able to do less than a foot, haven't really measured it yet. The boat is now next to the shop ready for work, I hauled it last night on the high tide. Having a waterfront makes things simple. I built my own beach launching ramp. Ah. I retract my previous statement. Nothing wrong with your sanity index. I guess all is relative ;) http://www.georgebuehler.com/pogo.html Looks like a fun boat, but it's a lot heavier than FT2. Yeah, George says it's a minature displacement sailboat not a dinghy. Pretty simple to build IMO. I've had the plans for 2-3 years, promised to build one for my youngest daughter. It won't go fast but it probably won't drown her either, and you could go fishing from it easily. Nobody is going to worry overmuch if you run aground, bounce off the odd oyster covered rock etc etc. Pretty cheap to build too, so if/when you don't want to play with it any more, you can pass it on to someone else to play with cheaply or even for free. PDW |
Ya know I havent read your posting lately with this invasion of flonk
rabbits or whatever and your whipping up on katy for snitchin on ya for acting like an asshole. But your right I think famous people die in groups of three as well. Not sure if that lawyer is one, will we know by tommorow. So....Whats does LP look like? Joe |
I might be prone to discuss this topic with anyone having a clue as to
sailing..... or experience and ability with vessels... but several factors currently inhibit my ability to describe my opinion of your sailing ability. Since I can ill afford to be subject to another "abuse" complaint from you Jon..... let's just leave this subject alone and I'll refer my comments to people that can be trusted to engage in a sailing related thread without the consequences of being "reported" when my opinion differs from theirs. May I state in parting that the last "Picture Show" presented by you on your trip to the BVIs ... spelled volumes about what you consider a challenge..... It was an exercise in narcolepsy..... CM "JG" wrote in message ... You have no idea of the level of skill required to sail in SF area, especially the north bay. It is not quite true that if you can sail here, you can sail anywhere, but it's almost true. We sail pretty much all year here, except during major storms. (100 mph has been recorded on Angel Island during a storm.) The current, tides, and traffic (from tankers to kayaks) make for uninterrupted variation from day to day. I have no doubt that your much larger double ender wouldn't have a problem with waves like these or larger. The person in question was on a much smaller boat. I doubt you would do as well in the same conditions on the same boat. Sure, he screwed up by sailing there in the first place, but at least he gets out and sails. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:mKG4e.3873$vt1.1415@edtnps90... Overproof will probably see the ocean in May. That clip provided by Ganz on another post was very entertaining.... it's amazing to see a vessel flounder in such a mild wave. It's indicative of the lack of talent and ability of sailors in his area. Double the size of the wave and you have the Gull Rocks at the mouth of my bay with breaking seas..... my double ender surfs that with no problem. |
In article mKG4e.3873$vt1.1415@edtnps90, Capt. Mooron
wrote: "Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. Sounds like an excellent trip. I'd love to get to the Antarctic someday. I understand the Leopard Seal is the top predator in the Antarctic... can you clarify that? Well, except when I'm about, yes. Them and killer whales. AFAIK, tho, there's never been a *proven* attack by a killer whale on a human, which means either they don't do it or they're smart enough to not get caught. Leopard seals have attacked & killed humans. More territorial than food, I suspect, never really looked into it. Hope you get to splash Overproof soon. I've been sailing Patanela D every second day or so since I got back. Overproof will probably see the ocean in May. That clip provided by Ganz on another post was very entertaining.... it's amazing to see a vessel flounder in such a mild wave. It's indicative of the lack of talent and ability of sailors in his area. Double the size of the wave and you have the Gull Rocks at the mouth of my bay with breaking seas..... my double ender surfs that with no problem. Yeah, but you have a real sailboat. Ever read Tilman's account of sailing to Bylot Island? Worth it if you appreciate cold, remote places. PDW |
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... So....Whats does LP look like? A blonde Miss Terry. . . CN |
So, what you're saying is that you're unable to actually discuss sailing.
Like I said, sailing out here is actually pretty challenging. I don't know why you would think that the BVI is a challenging area. I suppose your assertion that I thought it was a challenge there is either a fantasy of yours or you're just lying. I did say it was fun. It seems to me that getting dinged by one's ISP should indicate one has a problem. My experience with ISPs is that they're generally pretty forgiving. And, it seems like they've been pretty forgiving of you, since you're here and posting. You can complain about me all you want, but it seems pretty clear that even if I did make a complaint against you, it didn't have much affect. Personally, I have no wish to see anyone banned or muzzled. I know you don't believe that, but that's your problem not mine. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:muH4e.3917$vt1.890@edtnps90... I might be prone to discuss this topic with anyone having a clue as to sailing..... or experience and ability with vessels... but several factors currently inhibit my ability to describe my opinion of your sailing ability. Since I can ill afford to be subject to another "abuse" complaint from you Jon..... let's just leave this subject alone and I'll refer my comments to people that can be trusted to engage in a sailing related thread without the consequences of being "reported" when my opinion differs from theirs. May I state in parting that the last "Picture Show" presented by you on your trip to the BVIs ... spelled volumes about what you consider a challenge..... It was an exercise in narcolepsy..... CM "JG" wrote in message ... You have no idea of the level of skill required to sail in SF area, especially the north bay. It is not quite true that if you can sail here, you can sail anywhere, but it's almost true. We sail pretty much all year here, except during major storms. (100 mph has been recorded on Angel Island during a storm.) The current, tides, and traffic (from tankers to kayaks) make for uninterrupted variation from day to day. I have no doubt that your much larger double ender wouldn't have a problem with waves like these or larger. The person in question was on a much smaller boat. I doubt you would do as well in the same conditions on the same boat. Sure, he screwed up by sailing there in the first place, but at least he gets out and sails. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:mKG4e.3873$vt1.1415@edtnps90... Overproof will probably see the ocean in May. That clip provided by Ganz on another post was very entertaining.... it's amazing to see a vessel flounder in such a mild wave. It's indicative of the lack of talent and ability of sailors in his area. Double the size of the wave and you have the Gull Rocks at the mouth of my bay with breaking seas..... my double ender surfs that with no problem. |
Peter Wiley wrote:
..... AFAIK, tho, there's never been a *proven* attack by a killer whale on a human, which means either they don't do it or they're smart enough to not get caught. Leopard seals have attacked & killed humans. More territorial than food, I suspect, never really looked into it. Y'know, what would it take for an orca attack on a human to be "proven?" A lot of folks with no incentive to lie have reported attacks by orcas. Overproof will probably see the ocean in May. That clip provided by Ganz on another post was very entertaining.... it's amazing to see a vessel flounder in such a mild wave. It's indicative of the lack of talent and ability of sailors in his area. My my... one guy sails into the surf and all of a sudden nobody in the whole area is a good sailor? BTW I didn't think that such a "mild" wave for a 22 foot boat. Looked like approx 1/2 it's LOA, very steep, and most of it was breaking. Double the size of the wave and you have the Gull Rocks at the mouth of my bay with breaking seas..... my double ender surfs that with no problem. Different boat, different conditions. And you have a real scary knife, too. Yeah, but you have a real sailboat. Ever read Tilman's account of sailing to Bylot Island? Worth it if you appreciate cold, remote places. No but thanks for the ref. Have you read 'Castaway on Cae Breton' by Prenties (1780) and Burrows (1823)? A very interesting pair of narratives, including a lot of rough weather small boat sailing. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
That hot eh....
I knew that lawyer was not one of the 3. He was not even close to the group. Seems Prince Rainer was the third IMO. Joe |
"JG" wrote in message ... even if I did make a complaint against you, -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Liar! You netKKKopped Moroon and you have a long history of netKKKopping. You definitely do NOT believe in freedom of speech. You use censorship to attempt to assert your will because you lack the intellect to do so. CN |
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