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I was thinking of calling it Pop-eye. You'll have to do the math.
Scout "Scotty" wrote in message ... Does yours have a good name? Scotty "Scout" wrote in message ... Assholes like Neal give assholes a bad name. Scout |
"Scotty" wrote: "Thom Stewart" wrote: CM, Just think of your dumb ass post with Jon and the gay vein. I think even you have to admit they were far,far from being adult. I really don't think I need to say more. They were beneath your mentality Yes, they were. Shame on you CM. Shame on you, Scotty. So you take the side of snitches like Ganz and katysails? I actually thought you had more honor. My mistake! I guess you would turn in your neighbor or fellow sailor for smoking a doobie? LP |
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Come off it CM,
You act childish and you don't want to be judged. I have a perfect right to my opinion. If you want to make asinine (as in mule) comments about individual member in a public forum you have to be ready to be judged publicly "As you sow, so shall you Reap" Grown up, Ole Thom |
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:LQq3e.127442$ZO2.36548@edtnps84... Thom , since when do you predispose yourself to be my conscience in regards to my posting on a public newsgroup? I have harboured you no ill will that I can recall. Your insults are unwarranted If I have a disagreement with anyone of the people here... what gives you the right of deciding that I am wayward and you are on tangent?? I think that attitude is a bit condescending and ill informed. I believe Sir that you will find I have treated you with courtesy and respect!! If by some leave you cannot find it in yourself to return the courtesy... then Sir ... I'm afraid that your tenure of age and self deluded grandeur may be subject to scrutiny. Take Heed...... I'm in no mood with the recent subject matter here to take your insults in stride.... I want a retraction! Your personal views as to my actions are without substance as they are without logic. I demand of you either provide an explanation or an apology! What you have provided so far is abject interference in a private dispute of which you have no involvement nor consequence.... so I put it to you...... since you deemed it important to involve yourself... pick a side. join in...... or apologise and get the **** out. I'll leave it to you..... understand who has treated you with civility to date. You'll find I don't mince my words...... but at least I'm hourable and honest. CM WELL SAID! Logic, reason, fairness and intelligence all tempered by respect not yet completely lost. Ya gotta love it! CN "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... CM, Just think of your dumb ass post with Jon and the gay vein. I think even you have to admit they were far,far from being adult. I really don't think I need to say more. They were beneath your mentality Ole Thom |
"Lady Pilot" wrote in message news:LEu3e.15356$TZ.13816@okepread06... "Scotty" wrote: "Thom Stewart" wrote: CM, Just think of your dumb ass post with Jon and the gay vein. I think even you have to admit they were far,far from being adult. I really don't think I need to say more. They were beneath your mentality Yes, they were. Shame on you CM. Shame on you, Scotty. So you take the side of snitches like Ganz and katysails? I actually thought you had more honor. My mistake! I guess you would turn in your neighbor or fellow sailor for smoking a doobie? LP Scotty drives a truck for a living. Don't you know what that means? It means he pops pills to stay awake. When he comes home he smokes pot to relax and unwind. It's obvious from is lame posts lately that he's blunted to the max. The man probably has a marijuana field out in the woods behind his trailer. His neighbors probably have their own fields. Scotty would never turn in a neighbor for smoking pot. He'd be cutting into his profits by doing so . . . CN |
"Lady Pilot" wrote
Shame on you CM. Shame on you, Scotty. That was a dig at Mooron. He still has a sense of humour. So you take the side of snitches like Ganz better to be aside of , rather than in front of JG. and katysails? Well, IF I have to choose sides, as one does in a playground brawl, yes, Katy's been a friend for a long time. Neal crossed 'the line' with his vulgar posts. He was TRYING to get reported. And BTW, KFing does no good. I actually thought you had more honor. Nope, not me. My mistake! I guess you would turn in your neighbor or fellow sailor for smoking a doobie? Only if they bogarted me. SV |
At least Scott is an honest asshole.... unlike Mooron, Neal and the
others... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... "Lady Pilot" wrote Shame on you CM. Shame on you, Scotty. That was a dig at Mooron. He still has a sense of humour. So you take the side of snitches like Ganz better to be aside of , rather than in front of JG. and katysails? Well, IF I have to choose sides, as one does in a playground brawl, yes, Katy's been a friend for a long time. Neal crossed 'the line' with his vulgar posts. He was TRYING to get reported. And BTW, KFing does no good. I actually thought you had more honor. Nope, not me. My mistake! I guess you would turn in your neighbor or fellow sailor for smoking a doobie? Only if they bogarted me. SV |
"JG" wrote in message ... At least Scott is an honest asshole.... unlike Mooron, Neal and the others... If you were honest you would ADMIT you're a netKKKop! CN |
thanks Jon, I like you too.
SV "JG" wrote in message ... At least Scott is an honest asshole.... unlike Mooron, Neal and the others... |
All kidding aside, it sure is too bad that they can't figure out that this
newsgroup is not that important to world peace or whatever. I just don't get it. From the second hand posts, I can see that I'm being accused of all sorts of things. As is my usual response, I won't confirm nor deny it. Let them stew in their own fetid juices. It really does bother me, however, that they're resorting to cross-posting and attempting to get help from those jerks that tried to really destroy the newsgroup a year or so ago. I just don't see the justification except in their juvinile minds. Sorry for the rant. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... thanks Jon, I like you too. SV "JG" wrote in message ... At least Scott is an honest asshole.... unlike Mooron, Neal and the others... |
CM,
Just who in this world of 'net give you the right to control what I think in forming MY OWN OPINIONS. If those opinion are of you, they are influenced on how I preceive your action and posted views. You do not have the right to tell me how I feel about those action and printed words. You've made statements that were unfactual. I have elected, of my own free will, not to accept them. Apology; I owe you none! Ole Thom |
The fact you formulate an opinion gives it no substance, importance nor
worth. The action of posting it made it public.... and indicates your intention. You've made your choice .... respect is a two way street. Consider us at odds.... my obligations of courtesy and cordial discourse with you are hereby terminated. CM I'll let this indiscretion of yours pass this once. interference in "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... CM, Just who in this world of 'net give you the right to control what I think in forming MY OWN OPINIONS. If those opinion are of you, they are influenced on how I preceive your action and posted views. You do not have the right to tell me how I feel about those action and printed words. You've made statements that were unfactual. I have elected, of my own free will, not to accept them. Apology; I owe you none! Ole Thom |
Opinions do have substance, importance, and worth, including yours. If
opinions didn't, then everyone would always be in complete agreement, since no one would bother saying anything that was in opposition to anyone else's. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:XNF3e.127637$ZO2.72473@edtnps84... The fact you formulate an opinion gives it no substance, importance nor worth. The action of posting it made it public.... and indicates your intention. You've made your choice .... respect is a two way street. Consider us at odds.... my obligations of courtesy and cordial discourse with you are hereby terminated. CM I'll let this indiscretion of yours pass this once. interference in "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... CM, Just who in this world of 'net give you the right to control what I think in forming MY OWN OPINIONS. If those opinion are of you, they are influenced on how I preceive your action and posted views. You do not have the right to tell me how I feel about those action and printed words. You've made statements that were unfactual. I have elected, of my own free will, not to accept them. Apology; I owe you none! Ole Thom |
JG wrote:
All kidding aside, it sure is too bad that they can't figure out that this newsgroup is not that important to world peace or whatever. Quite. It's a source of fun and banter - apres-race ****takes and debate in the yacht club bar is a good analogy. I just don't get it. It's about LP getting back at Katysails over some dumb flame war. It really does bother me, however, that they're resorting to cross-posting and attempting to get help from those jerks that tried to really destroy the newsgroup a year or so ago. Yup, LP and Katysails have some pathetic hissy fit, so LP calls in a bunch of boot-boys and has the whole bar trashed. I just don't see the justification except in their juvinile minds. That's because there is none beyond that. Neal might play the trolling, opiniated mouthpiece, but he's often done so with some humour; and LP played some flirtatious floosie, who I could quite happily take or leave - just a bit player as far as I was concerned. I think what we've seen here is a game of "Let's you and him fight", between Neal and Katy, instigated by LP. LP couldn't give Katy a good enough kicking on her own, so she got Neal to do it for her, and in such a way as to force Katy's hand (ie, do the netcop thing), knowing that, as soon as Katy netcopped, LP would raise the flag for the flonkers to come in and trash the bar. LP is basically making a big show of giving Katy a kicking because she couldn't do it on her own, and all been played out on an unimportant virtual stage where nobody else gives a toss about anything other than getting on with the fun and banter they come here for. It's a load of pathetic ego-wank. I was pleased for Neal that he got some female company while out sailing for a few days, but both he and LP have gone way down in my estimation after this. Especially LP - she's gone from a bit-player to being spiteful, vindictive and more than willing to **** everybody off because she can't deal with a stupid personal flame war (the justification of 'protecting free speech' is nothing more than a smokescreen for that - that might be where the flonkers are at, but it wasn't what LP was using them for). Neal would do well to step away from this person for a while and consider the results of his part in this. I don't think the nett gain can be described as positive. As I said to LP in another post, all we really have here is personas. Outside of those we've met in real life, we don't really know the person behind the poster. In spite of that, I've often wondered who I would go for a sail with if I ever found myself on the other side of the pond. For all his invective, Neal was one of them - but not in the present climate. -- Wally www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm www.wally.myby.co.uk |
opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.
"JG" wrote in message ... Opinions do have substance, importance, and worth, including yours. If opinions didn't, then everyone would always be in complete agreement, since no one would bother saying anything that was in opposition to anyone else's. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:XNF3e.127637$ZO2.72473@edtnps84... The fact you formulate an opinion gives it no substance, importance nor worth. The action of posting it made it public.... and indicates your intention. You've made your choice .... respect is a two way street. Consider us at odds.... my obligations of courtesy and cordial discourse with you are hereby terminated. CM I'll let this indiscretion of yours pass this once. interference in "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... CM, Just who in this world of 'net give you the right to control what I think in forming MY OWN OPINIONS. If those opinion are of you, they are influenced on how I preceive your action and posted views. You do not have the right to tell me how I feel about those action and printed words. You've made statements that were unfactual. I have elected, of my own free will, not to accept them. Apology; I owe you none! Ole Thom |
"Wally" wrote in message ... snip As I said to LP in another post, all we really have here is personas. Outside of those we've met in real life, we don't really know the person behind the poster. In spite of that, I've often wondered who I would go for a sail with if I ever found myself on the other side of the pond. For all his invective, Neal was one of them - but not in the present climate. Good post, Wally. Regards Donal -- |
Donal wrote:
Good post, Wally. Cheers. Just trying to see this little episode for what it really is. -- Wally www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm www.wally.myby.co.uk |
"Wally" wrote in message ... As I said to LP in another post, all we really have here is personas. Outside of those we've met in real life, we don't really know the person behind the poster. -- Wally www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm www.wally.myby.co.uk Funny, "LP" went in my kf quite some time ago as I was never convinced "she" was a "real" person. I am still of that opinion. If a "persona" is witty or entertaining, I would consider reading their posts, if not, why clutter up my newsreader? John Cairns |
"Wally" wrote in message ... JG wrote: All kidding aside, it sure is too bad that they can't figure out that this newsgroup is not that important to world peace or whatever. Quite. It's a source of fun and banter - apres-race ****takes and debate in the yacht club bar is a good analogy. big snip Wally, Some information you do not have that is skewing your thoughts is Haight and Ganz have been netKKKoping me for over five years. Both have a history of complaining to my ISPs and attempting to get me tossed. Both brag about doing so. I'm a patient man. I waited and bided my time hoping they would get bored and go away. They didn't. So I waited till the time was right. I used the fact that my news server, Individual.net was going commercial April 1 and I was declining to pay for it. I signed up on Databaxis and was welcomed. I doubt there is a better service anywhere. They have their priorities straight. My baiting Haight and Ganz and my goading them into revealing their activities has nothing to do with the flame war between Katy and LP. It only has the timing happenstance of Individaul net going commercial. All conclusions you based on my relationship with LP are erroneous. Believe me, that woman can and does fight her own battles. She knows what a flame war is and does not resort to netKKKoping no matter the length and bitterness of the flame war. She is based in reality unlike Haight and Ganz. "They" did not cross post to get the flonkers involved. Show me the post where I cross posted to do so, please. LP is a late comer and has little to do with my dealings with Haight and Ganz. They are netKKKops and what you see going on is the result of their admitting to be netKKKops while netKKKop haters were tuned in and there is no other reason for it. It just so happened that when I joined Databasix, some interested people were monitoring my posts. They look out after their own interests and have been fighting for freedom of speech for a long time. They expend a lot of time and energy in a noble pursuit against censorship and I, for one appreciate the haven they provide. They do news right and that's a fact. Those monitoring my posts were aware of the netcops and LP crossposting was an after-the-fact situation. You seem to be pretty bright but jumping to conclusions can lead to false statements that tend to invalidate what otherwise would be a decent summary. CN |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
Some information you do not have that is skewing your thoughts is Haight and Ganz have been netKKKoping me for over five years. Both have a history of complaining to my ISPs and attempting to get me tossed. Both brag about doing so. The other side of this coin is that if you use ISPs that have a specific TOS, then you either conduct yourself within those TOS or risk the consequences of stepping outwith them. I'm sure you'd agree that there is something to be said for making an informed choice, and taking responsiblity for one's choices. In short, if you're going to push the envelope with people you believe will netcop you, while using an ISP that may be sympathetic to their netcopping, then it's your own lookout. You're blaming them for your own errors. Like I said to LP, there *are* rules, whether we like it or not. The Databasix people evidently have a TOS that is rather different from the typical commercial ISP, but even they must place limits on what their users can do, to the extent that offenders will get booted if they place the service at risk. A couple of years ago, my own ISP was doing too little about open relays connected to its servers - it was becoming a serious spam source and notice was served that it had to clean up its act wthin a given period of time or it would get booted off the net by means of its peering partners withdrawing their connections (I believe other interested parties who might otherwise become peering partners were also involved). I'm sure Databasix aren't into so much 'freedom' that they'll risk getting themselves isolated from the net. I'm willing to bet that they don't include, for instance, mass spam mailings of kiddie porn or snuff movies in their definition of 'freedom of speech'. If the usenet server-providing community is willing to serve notice of a death sentence on one of the UK's biggest ISPs, then I don't think they'd have much compunction about disconnecting what, I assume, is comparatively small fry. There are always rules, Neal. They might not be clear-cut, or consistent in all environments, but they're always there in one form or another. The trick is know what they are and to play your game within them. If you don't, you get shafted sooner or later. I'm a patient man. I waited and bided my time hoping they would get bored and go away. You kept running risks vis-a-vis your conduct and that allowed by your ISP(s). You were responsible for that conduct, and you therefore took the risk. "They" did not cross post to get the flonkers involved. Show me the post where I cross posted to do so, please. If I'm in error regarding this, then I apologise. I confess that I've found this episode insufficiently interesting to read everything in detail, certainly not to the extent of doing research into who cross-posted precisely what, and when. To be frank, this episode has been annoying and disruptive. I don't come in here to wade through piles of **** just because you keep treading on the wrong side of the line when there are people willing to grass you up for doing so - that's not my concern, and it's not my problem. As a general rule, I don't killfile. I object to being admonished to waste my time engaging in unneccessary computer admin, killfiling disruptor after disruptor, just because a few people can't behave themselves, or can't play the game by the (ISP) rules they choose and accept when they take on a connection service. I've done mass killfiling before, but I'm very disinclined to do it again. I have better things to do with my life than clean other people's **** out of my face. My objection to people who deliberately disrupt, and then tell me to remove some of whatever amount of life I have left to get rid of them, is complete and absolute. Your ISP's rules, your behaviour, your ****-up. You can sit and justify your latest reaction to yourself all you like, but you'll never convince me. Having given the foregoing your most careful consideration, would you care to elucidate your position on personal responsiblity as it applies to you in this context? How would that elucidation sit with your views on the matter in the context of good seamanship? And what about within the context of your general philosophy of life? I ask that last question because I gather that you see good seamanship, and the attitudes it enshrines, as inextricably linked to one's philosophy on life itself. Those monitoring my posts were aware of the netcops and LP crossposting was an after-the-fact situation. You better tell LP that the ego-feed isn't all hers, then: "What brought these posters over here is me cross-posting KATY's posts to people who believe in freedom of speech." -- Wally www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm www.wally.myby.co.uk |
No. Excellent post. Get with it Donal.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Donal" wrote in message ... "Wally" wrote in message ... snip As I said to LP in another post, all we really have here is personas. Outside of those we've met in real life, we don't really know the person behind the poster. In spite of that, I've often wondered who I would go for a sail with if I ever found myself on the other side of the pond. For all his invective, Neal was one of them - but not in the present climate. Good post, Wally. Regards Donal -- |
Neal is so totally full of it, he's leaking from the years.
He claims that I've been netcoping him for years, and that I've bragged about it. However, he's unable to show a single post with me doing that. He's a liar. Nothing new. I can't speak to what Katy has or hasn't done. Certainly, if she did rat him out to his ISP, he deserved it. I have no problem with that. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Wally" wrote in message ... Capt. Neal® wrote: Some information you do not have that is skewing your thoughts is Haight and Ganz have been netKKKoping me for over five years. Both have a history of complaining to my ISPs and attempting to get me tossed. Both brag about doing so. The other side of this coin is that if you use ISPs that have a specific TOS, then you either conduct yourself within those TOS or risk the consequences of stepping outwith them. I'm sure you'd agree that there is something to be said for making an informed choice, and taking responsiblity for one's choices. In short, if you're going to push the envelope with people you believe will netcop you, while using an ISP that may be sympathetic to their netcopping, then it's your own lookout. You're blaming them for your own errors. Like I said to LP, there *are* rules, whether we like it or not. The Databasix people evidently have a TOS that is rather different from the typical commercial ISP, but even they must place limits on what their users can do, to the extent that offenders will get booted if they place the service at risk. A couple of years ago, my own ISP was doing too little about open relays connected to its servers - it was becoming a serious spam source and notice was served that it had to clean up its act wthin a given period of time or it would get booted off the net by means of its peering partners withdrawing their connections (I believe other interested parties who might otherwise become peering partners were also involved). I'm sure Databasix aren't into so much 'freedom' that they'll risk getting themselves isolated from the net. I'm willing to bet that they don't include, for instance, mass spam mailings of kiddie porn or snuff movies in their definition of 'freedom of speech'. If the usenet server-providing community is willing to serve notice of a death sentence on one of the UK's biggest ISPs, then I don't think they'd have much compunction about disconnecting what, I assume, is comparatively small fry. There are always rules, Neal. They might not be clear-cut, or consistent in all environments, but they're always there in one form or another. The trick is know what they are and to play your game within them. If you don't, you get shafted sooner or later. I'm a patient man. I waited and bided my time hoping they would get bored and go away. You kept running risks vis-a-vis your conduct and that allowed by your ISP(s). You were responsible for that conduct, and you therefore took the risk. "They" did not cross post to get the flonkers involved. Show me the post where I cross posted to do so, please. If I'm in error regarding this, then I apologise. I confess that I've found this episode insufficiently interesting to read everything in detail, certainly not to the extent of doing research into who cross-posted precisely what, and when. To be frank, this episode has been annoying and disruptive. I don't come in here to wade through piles of **** just because you keep treading on the wrong side of the line when there are people willing to grass you up for doing so - that's not my concern, and it's not my problem. As a general rule, I don't killfile. I object to being admonished to waste my time engaging in unneccessary computer admin, killfiling disruptor after disruptor, just because a few people can't behave themselves, or can't play the game by the (ISP) rules they choose and accept when they take on a connection service. I've done mass killfiling before, but I'm very disinclined to do it again. I have better things to do with my life than clean other people's **** out of my face. My objection to people who deliberately disrupt, and then tell me to remove some of whatever amount of life I have left to get rid of them, is complete and absolute. Your ISP's rules, your behaviour, your ****-up. You can sit and justify your latest reaction to yourself all you like, but you'll never convince me. Having given the foregoing your most careful consideration, would you care to elucidate your position on personal responsiblity as it applies to you in this context? How would that elucidation sit with your views on the matter in the context of good seamanship? And what about within the context of your general philosophy of life? I ask that last question because I gather that you see good seamanship, and the attitudes it enshrines, as inextricably linked to one's philosophy on life itself. Those monitoring my posts were aware of the netcops and LP crossposting was an after-the-fact situation. You better tell LP that the ego-feed isn't all hers, then: "What brought these posters over here is me cross-posting KATY's posts to people who believe in freedom of speech." -- Wally www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm www.wally.myby.co.uk |
It was a good post Wally. I had to say so before I just back off to this
whole blown up mess. Good sense goes out the window when a Broad gets involved. Ole Thom http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage |
"Wally" wrote ... .. In spite of that, I've often wondered who I would go for a sail with if I ever found myself on the other side of the pond. Well, if you're ever in the Baltimore area.......... Scotty |
Freedom of speech is all well and good, up to a point, which you
crossed, Neal. You needed to be censored. SV "Capt. Neal®" wrote It just so happened that when I joined Databasix, some interested people were monitoring my posts. They look out after their own interests and have been fighting for freedom of speech for a long time. They expend a lot of time and energy in a noble pursuit against censorship and I, for one appreciate the haven they provide. They do news right and that's a fact. Those monitoring my posts were aware of the netcops and LP crossposting was an after-the-fact situation. You seem to be pretty bright but jumping to conclusions can lead to false statements that tend to invalidate what otherwise would be a decent summary. CN |
Let me see if I have this straight.
Neal put great effort into goading Katy & Jon to report him. Neal wanted then to report him. And NOW he's whining that they reported him? Is this about right? Scotty "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... "Wally" wrote in message ... JG wrote: All kidding aside, it sure is too bad that they can't figure out that this newsgroup is not that important to world peace or whatever. Quite. It's a source of fun and banter - apres-race ****takes and debate in the yacht club bar is a good analogy. big snip Wally, Some information you do not have that is skewing your thoughts is Haight and Ganz have been netKKKoping me for over five years. Both have a history of complaining to my ISPs and attempting to get me tossed. Both brag about doing so. I'm a patient man. I waited and bided my time hoping they would get bored and go away. They didn't. So I waited till the time was right. I used the fact that my news server, Individual.net was going commercial April 1 and I was declining to pay for it. I signed up on Databaxis and was welcomed. I doubt there is a better service anywhere. They have their priorities straight. My baiting Haight and Ganz and my goading them into revealing their activities has nothing to do with the flame war between Katy and LP. It only has the timing happenstance of Individaul net going commercial. All conclusions you based on my relationship with LP are erroneous. Believe me, that woman can and does fight her own battles. She knows what a flame war is and does not resort to netKKKoping no matter the length and bitterness of the flame war. She is based in reality unlike Haight and Ganz. "They" did not cross post to get the flonkers involved. Show me the post where I cross posted to do so, please. LP is a late comer and has little to do with my dealings with Haight and Ganz. They are netKKKops and what you see going on is the result of their admitting to be netKKKops while netKKKop haters were tuned in and there is no other reason for it. It just so happened that when I joined Databasix, some interested people were monitoring my posts. They look out after their own interests and have been fighting for freedom of speech for a long time. They expend a lot of time and energy in a noble pursuit against censorship and I, for one appreciate the haven they provide. They do news right and that's a fact. Those monitoring my posts were aware of the netcops and LP crossposting was an after-the-fact situation. You seem to be pretty bright but jumping to conclusions can lead to false statements that tend to invalidate what otherwise would be a decent summary. CN |
I never said I reported him. He's delusional or lying, but what you wrote is
about right. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scotty" wrote in message ... Let me see if I have this straight. Neal put great effort into goading Katy & Jon to report him. Neal wanted then to report him. And NOW he's whining that they reported him? Is this about right? Scotty "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... "Wally" wrote in message ... JG wrote: All kidding aside, it sure is too bad that they can't figure out that this newsgroup is not that important to world peace or whatever. Quite. It's a source of fun and banter - apres-race ****takes and debate in the yacht club bar is a good analogy. big snip Wally, Some information you do not have that is skewing your thoughts is Haight and Ganz have been netKKKoping me for over five years. Both have a history of complaining to my ISPs and attempting to get me tossed. Both brag about doing so. I'm a patient man. I waited and bided my time hoping they would get bored and go away. They didn't. So I waited till the time was right. I used the fact that my news server, Individual.net was going commercial April 1 and I was declining to pay for it. I signed up on Databaxis and was welcomed. I doubt there is a better service anywhere. They have their priorities straight. My baiting Haight and Ganz and my goading them into revealing their activities has nothing to do with the flame war between Katy and LP. It only has the timing happenstance of Individaul net going commercial. All conclusions you based on my relationship with LP are erroneous. Believe me, that woman can and does fight her own battles. She knows what a flame war is and does not resort to netKKKoping no matter the length and bitterness of the flame war. She is based in reality unlike Haight and Ganz. "They" did not cross post to get the flonkers involved. Show me the post where I cross posted to do so, please. LP is a late comer and has little to do with my dealings with Haight and Ganz. They are netKKKops and what you see going on is the result of their admitting to be netKKKops while netKKKop haters were tuned in and there is no other reason for it. It just so happened that when I joined Databasix, some interested people were monitoring my posts. They look out after their own interests and have been fighting for freedom of speech for a long time. They expend a lot of time and energy in a noble pursuit against censorship and I, for one appreciate the haven they provide. They do news right and that's a fact. Those monitoring my posts were aware of the netcops and LP crossposting was an after-the-fact situation. You seem to be pretty bright but jumping to conclusions can lead to false statements that tend to invalidate what otherwise would be a decent summary. CN |
On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 23:13:52 -0800, "JG" wrote:
I never said I reported him. He's delusional or lying, but what you wrote is about right. Did you or didn't your report him? What's the truth, Ganz? -- Trollzilla's now deleted AOL profile: AOL Profile: Ditamask Member Name: Kristine Location: California Sex: Male Marital Status: single 57 lesbian Hobbies & Interests: Madonna, comic books, teenage girls and boys, trolling newsgroups, watching tv, eating, playing with my new hormone swollen mantits, my buttocks Favorite Gadgets: prosthetic vagina and super vibrator. Better than a fist!! Personal Quote: "Just call me Kristine...the trolling lesbian with polished buttocks" |
Ummm, Moron - the postings Thom was referring to were those repetitive, boring, content-free ones lacking it life, wit, humour or any trace of originality whereby you just called Jon a HOMO for post after boring post after boring post after boring post after ...... ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz Don't take it as an attempt to be your conscience. Take it as a critique on style. PDW In article LQq3e.127442$ZO2.36548@edtnps84, Capt. Mooron wrote: Thom , since when do you predispose yourself to be my conscience in regards to my posting on a public newsgroup? I have harboured you no ill will that I can recall. Your insults are unwarranted If I have a disagreement with anyone of the people here... what gives you the right of deciding that I am wayward and you are on tangent?? I think that attitude is a bit condescending and ill informed. I believe Sir that you will find I have treated you with courtesy and respect!! If by some leave you cannot find it in yourself to return the courtesy... then Sir ... I'm afraid that your tenure of age and self deluded grandeur may be subject to scrutiny. Take Heed...... I'm in no mood with the recent subject matter here to take your insults in stride.... I want a retraction! Your personal views as to my actions are without substance as they are without logic. I demand of you either provide an explanation or an apology! What you have provided so far is abject interference in a private dispute of which you have no involvement nor consequence.... so I put it to you...... since you deemed it important to involve yourself... pick a side. join in...... or apologise and get the **** out. I'll leave it to you..... understand who has treated you with civility to date. You'll find I don't mince my words...... but at least I'm hourable and honest. CM "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... CM, Just think of your dumb ass post with Jon and the gay vein. I think even you have to admit they were far,far from being adult. I really don't think I need to say more. They were beneath your mentality Ole Thom |
In article , Scotty
wrote: "Lady Pilot" wrote Shame on you CM. Shame on you, Scotty. That was a dig at Mooron. He still has a sense of humour. So you take the side of snitches like Ganz better to be aside of , rather than in front of JG. and katysails? Well, IF I have to choose sides, as one does in a playground brawl, yes, Katy's been a friend for a long time. Ditto. Neal crossed 'the line' with his vulgar posts. He was TRYING to get reported. And BTW, KFing does no good. Yeah, it does. I actually thought you had more honor. Nope, not me. Hey, this is *usenet*, FCS! Honor??????? My mistake! I guess you would turn in your neighbor or fellow sailor for smoking a doobie? Only if they bogarted me. That's typical LP bull****, anyway. More like, would you turn in your neighbour for dumping a huge amount of **** in the road where everyone could see it, and plastering your name & address all over it? You turkeys started it by forging posts purporting to come from Katy. You got what you deserved. Soon you'll be in so many killfiles here that your virtual existence will be over. Katy will still be here. LP, you're a loser. It's obvious you can't handle any sort of one to one contest. PDW |
Peter Wiley wrote: That's typical LP bull****, anyway. More like, would you turn in your neighbour for dumping a huge amount of **** in the road where everyone could see it, and plastering your name & address all over it? You turkeys started it by forging posts purporting to come from Katy. You got what you deserved. Soon you'll be in so many killfiles here that your virtual existence will be over. Katy will still be here. Who's LP? -- Flying Tadpole |
"Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. Ummm, Moron - the postings Thom was referring to were those repetitive, boring, content-free ones lacking it life, wit, humour or any trace of originality whereby you just called Jon a HOMO for post after boring post after boring post after boring post after ...... ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz Heh.. Look... Ganz had been at it for months. I fiqured it was time he was subjected to the same bland repetative regieme. I admit... and stated as much that it was like playing "Whack the Gopher" at a fair.... only difference being the gopher was frothing more each time it popped up. I had no problem with it since I was not employed at the time and had sufficent time on my hands to persue this objective. I posted sailing related content as well as some replies to off topic threads during that time. Look Peter... when I am not interested in following a prolonged disscussion between Doug and Dave of investments and social security ... I just select and delete the thread.... or ignore their posts. Thom could have employed a killfile as could everyone else. I suggested it to anyone that had a concern. You have, as explained... several options at your disposal... a kill file or the choice of ignoring the post and the option of reply. I even assured that I would include a word in every reply to Jon that could have been entered in a kill file message "if content contains" for those of which cared to follow my other posts while avoiding my trouncing of Ganz. My primary objection is that this involved nobody but Ganz and myself. Thom decided to involve himself of his own free will. Not only did he take the liberty and attitude that his opinion was of merit to me or not... he attacked me in the process. Now he seems surprised that I've taken this in a negative manner???? Don't take it as an attempt to be your conscience. Take it as a critique on style. Critique on style ? I admitted no "style" was involved in those posts.... on many occasions. I consider advice but I question direction. I do not consider mutual respect to be asking too much. Had I attacked Thom as Ganz had on several occassions ... then I could have understood his actions. Thom seems to have the mistaken belief that he is the adjudicator of disputes and enforcer of posting content. As it is... I have made it clear to Thom that his manner of appraoch has clarified his opinion of me. I owe him no consideration nor compliance. Respect is earned and age does not give carte blanche to such considerations. Think about it... if Thom had approached me as you have here... I would have been much more receptive to his concerns.... CM |
"JG" wrote in message ... No. Excellent post. Get with it Donal. Jonathan, Wally posted a well balanced view of the situation. OTOH, it seems possible that you have indeed made a complaint to Neal's ISP. I abhor such conduct. I *really* abhor such conduct. I think that you need to learn the difference between "abuse OF the internet"(illegal) and "abuse ON the Internet" (legal). If somebody calls you a "Homo" then you just have to deal with it. It isn't a big deal. It doesn't mean that you have to run to "teacher" screaming "Please Miss, Please Miss!". If you want to know how a real heterosexual man deals with accusations of homosexuality then why don't you accuse me of being a Homo? I'll be quite happy to give you a demonstration of how you should behave when confronted with false allegations. Regards Donal -- |
"Donal" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... No. Excellent post. Get with it Donal. Jonathan, Wally posted a well balanced view of the situation. OTOH, it seems possible that you have indeed made a complaint to Neal's ISP. I abhor such conduct. I *really* abhor such conduct. I think that you need to learn the difference between "abuse OF the internet"(illegal) and "abuse ON the Internet" (legal). If somebody calls you a "Homo" then you just have to deal with it. It isn't a big deal. It doesn't mean that you have to run to "teacher" screaming "Please Miss, Please Miss!". If you want to know how a real heterosexual man deals with accusations of homosexuality then why don't you accuse me of being a Homo? I'll be quite happy to give you a demonstration of how you should behave when confronted with false allegations. Regards Donal Donal, Ganz did, indeed, netcop me. He has done so several times in the past as well. Both Ganz and Haight have done so. Katy admitted it here and I can send you confidential proof that Ganz has done so. I even posted one of his netKKKop e-mails from a previous ISP here several years ago. It can probably still be found in the archives at Google. Thanks for realizing the seriousness of any attempt to deny another individual's rights to free speech. CN |
You continually say that I'm "foaming at the mouth," but you're the one who
just can't, absolutely can't, let it drop. Seems like that's pretty indictative of personality problems. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Capt. Mooron" wrote in message news:OvV3e.166159$fc4.13772@edtnps89... "Peter Wiley" wrote in message . .. Ummm, Moron - the postings Thom was referring to were those repetitive, boring, content-free ones lacking it life, wit, humour or any trace of originality whereby you just called Jon a HOMO for post after boring post after boring post after boring post after ...... ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz Heh.. Look... Ganz had been at it for months. I fiqured it was time he was subjected to the same bland repetative regieme. I admit... and stated as much that it was like playing "Whack the Gopher" at a fair.... only difference being the gopher was frothing more each time it popped up. I had no problem with it since I was not employed at the time and had sufficent time on my hands to persue this objective. I posted sailing related content as well as some replies to off topic threads during that time. Look Peter... when I am not interested in following a prolonged disscussion between Doug and Dave of investments and social security ... I just select and delete the thread.... or ignore their posts. Thom could have employed a killfile as could everyone else. I suggested it to anyone that had a concern. You have, as explained... several options at your disposal... a kill file or the choice of ignoring the post and the option of reply. I even assured that I would include a word in every reply to Jon that could have been entered in a kill file message "if content contains" for those of which cared to follow my other posts while avoiding my trouncing of Ganz. My primary objection is that this involved nobody but Ganz and myself. Thom decided to involve himself of his own free will. Not only did he take the liberty and attitude that his opinion was of merit to me or not... he attacked me in the process. Now he seems surprised that I've taken this in a negative manner???? Don't take it as an attempt to be your conscience. Take it as a critique on style. Critique on style ? I admitted no "style" was involved in those posts.... on many occasions. I consider advice but I question direction. I do not consider mutual respect to be asking too much. Had I attacked Thom as Ganz had on several occassions ... then I could have understood his actions. Thom seems to have the mistaken belief that he is the adjudicator of disputes and enforcer of posting content. As it is... I have made it clear to Thom that his manner of appraoch has clarified his opinion of me. I owe him no consideration nor compliance. Respect is earned and age does not give carte blanche to such considerations. Think about it... if Thom had approached me as you have here... I would have been much more receptive to his concerns.... CM |
"JG" wrote in message ... You continually say that I'm "foaming at the mouth," but you're the one who just can't, absolutely can't, let it drop. Seems like that's pretty indictative of personality problems. A proven netKKKop speaks on the subject of personality problems. Oh, my aching sides! CN |
Donal,
Of course it's "possible." However, I will neither confirm nor deny it. So, you're left with either believing Neal, who is a known liar or with accepting the fact that you'll never know for sure. Assuming for a moment that I did actually contact his ISP (and we're not talking recently here), then is it possible for you to imagine a situation that would make it ok to do so... I mean beyond reacting to his foul language and odd views of the world? What would be an acceptable reason in your view for protesting to an ISP? Neal seems to have no problem supposedly bragging about reporting me to supernews. I don't see you decrying that. Why the double standard, especially w.r.t. Neal? I will say this about that... :-) For someone to call me a homo is not an issue that would cause me to "report someone to his ISP." I'm sure it would be viewed as a stupid complaint with no merit, since filtering is available. And, in fact, I have filtered Neal pretty effectively. The only time I see his posts are when someone copies them in theirs. You've claimed in the past that I had no sense of humor and yet it seems you don't. Wally's post was right on. You said it was a good post and a chided you by saying that it was a great post. Obviously, you're humor impaired not to see the humor in that. I'm truly sorry for you. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Donal" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... No. Excellent post. Get with it Donal. Jonathan, Wally posted a well balanced view of the situation. OTOH, it seems possible that you have indeed made a complaint to Neal's ISP. I abhor such conduct. I *really* abhor such conduct. I think that you need to learn the difference between "abuse OF the internet"(illegal) and "abuse ON the Internet" (legal). If somebody calls you a "Homo" then you just have to deal with it. It isn't a big deal. It doesn't mean that you have to run to "teacher" screaming "Please Miss, Please Miss!". If you want to know how a real heterosexual man deals with accusations of homosexuality then why don't you accuse me of being a Homo? I'll be quite happy to give you a demonstration of how you should behave when confronted with false allegations. Regards Donal -- |
"JG" wrote in message ... Donal, Of course it's "possible." However, I will neither confirm nor deny it. So, you're left with either believing Neal, who is a known liar or with accepting the fact that you'll never know for sure. Never know for sure? lol What about believing Gary Burnore who wrote about Ganz's netcop abuse complaints, and I quote, "He's made several. Four to be exact. The first one was laughed at. The rest ignored." CN Assuming for a moment that I did actually contact his ISP (and we're not talking recently here), then is it possible for you to imagine a situation that would make it ok to do so... I mean beyond reacting to his foul language and odd views of the world? What would be an acceptable reason in your view for protesting to an ISP? Neal seems to have no problem supposedly bragging about reporting me to supernews. I don't see you decrying that. Why the double standard, especially w.r.t. Neal? I will say this about that... :-) For someone to call me a homo is not an issue that would cause me to "report someone to his ISP." I'm sure it would be viewed as a stupid complaint with no merit, since filtering is available. And, in fact, I have filtered Neal pretty effectively. The only time I see his posts are when someone copies them in theirs. You've claimed in the past that I had no sense of humor and yet it seems you don't. Wally's post was right on. You said it was a good post and a chided you by saying that it was a great post. Obviously, you're humor impaired not to see the humor in that. I'm truly sorry for you. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Donal" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... No. Excellent post. Get with it Donal. Jonathan, Wally posted a well balanced view of the situation. OTOH, it seems possible that you have indeed made a complaint to Neal's ISP. I abhor such conduct. I *really* abhor such conduct. I think that you need to learn the difference between "abuse OF the internet"(illegal) and "abuse ON the Internet" (legal). If somebody calls you a "Homo" then you just have to deal with it. It isn't a big deal. It doesn't mean that you have to run to "teacher" screaming "Please Miss, Please Miss!". If you want to know how a real heterosexual man deals with accusations of homosexuality then why don't you accuse me of being a Homo? I'll be quite happy to give you a demonstration of how you should behave when confronted with false allegations. Regards Donal -- |
"Gary L. Burnore" wrote in message ... On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 01:37:14 +0100, "Donal" wrote: "JG" wrote in message ... No. Excellent post. Get with it Donal. Jonathan, Wally posted a well balanced view of the situation. OTOH, it seems possible that you have indeed made a complaint to Neal's ISP. He's made several. Four to be exact. The first one was laughed at. The rest ignored. Heheee! I thought this was *our* little secret, Gary. We could have had many more if you hadn't spilled the beans, so to speak! ;-) I'm sure there has just *has* to be more in the morning e-mails. Don't be late for the morning ceremonies! ;-) LP I abhor such conduct. I *really* abhor such conduct. I think that you need to learn the difference between "abuse OF the internet"(illegal) and "abuse ON the Internet" (legal). If somebody calls you a "Homo" then you just have to deal with it. It isn't a big deal. It doesn't mean that you have to run to "teacher" screaming "Please Miss, Please Miss!". If you want to know how a real heterosexual man deals with accusations of homosexuality then why don't you accuse me of being a Homo? I'll be quite happy to give you a demonstration of how you should behave when confronted with false allegations. Regards Donal -- gburnore@databasix dot com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ DataBasix | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ 3 4 1 4 2 ݳ޳ 6 9 0 6 9 ÝÛ³ Black Helicopter Repair Svcs Division | Official Proof of Purchase ================================================== ========================= Want one? GET one! http://signup.databasix.com ================================================== ========================= |
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