Canada must have meet it Quota of Cowards & Traitors
 

http://www.elitestv.com/pub/2005/Mar...35a94f13a.html

An American serviceman who has refused to serve in the war in Iraq was
denied a bid for asylum in Canada Thursday. The Canadian refugee board
ruled that 26-year-old Jeremy Hinzman would not face unfair persecution
if he returned to the U.S. because he refused to fight in what he is
calling an illegal war.

Hinzman is from Rapid City, South Dakota and has already served a tour
of duty in Afghanistan. He left Fort Bragg, North Carolina in January
after his unit was given orders to deploy to Iraq. Hinzman is part of
the 82nd Airborne Division.

Hinzman's attorney, Jeffry House, said his client was not giving up
despite the decision. 'Obviously we are disappointed,' House said. 'We
certainly are not giving up. We believe the decision is wrong, and we
will appeal it.'

House noted that Hinzman was not permitted to raise what he felt was
the 'illegality' of the war in Iraq and its effect on Iraqi civilians.
The board noted that the United States was a democracy and that
Hinzman's punishment if he returned to the U.S., what he would face
would be 'not excessive or disproportionately severe.'

It is estimated that there are approximately 100 American armed service
personnel in Canada who have refused to serve in the wars in Iraq and
Afghanistan. Hinzman's case was the first to be heard by the refugee
board.

Brad Kurtzberg

Did you read this before you cut-n-pasted it, Joe?

Joe wrote:
Hinzman is from Rapid City, South Dakota and has already served a tour
of duty in Afghanistan.

It seems to me that a soldier who served one tour of duty in Afghanistan
may be a deserter, but he's not a coward or a traitor. Maybe you think
he should be tortured, too?

This is a new low.

DSK

Guess he found out he couldnet hack it, so he ran like a little girl to
Canada. Screw him and you.

It is an all volunteer service. Once you give your word you better
keep it.

I hope he gets 20 years in the slammer along with all the other cowards
that ran like wussies cowards to Canaduh.

Joe

When's your flight?

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Guess he found out he couldnet hack it, so he ran like a little girl to
Canada. Screw him and you.

It is an all volunteer service. Once you give your word you better
keep it.

I hope he gets 20 years in the slammer along with all the other cowards
that ran like wussies cowards to Canaduh.

Joe

DSK wrote:
Did you read this before you cut-n-pasted it, Joe?

Joe wrote:
Hinzman is from Rapid City, South Dakota and has already served a
tour
of duty in Afghanistan.

It seems to me that a soldier who served one tour of duty in
Afghanistan
may be a deserter, but he's not a coward or a traitor.

That because you give no creedence to a oath.
You were in the military...or so you say

Guess you forgot everything you swore.

Here Dougieee let me re-fresh you swiftly dwindling memory.

The Oath of Enlistment (for enlistees):

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend
the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and
that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and
the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations
and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

The Oath of Office (for officers):

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the
United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly
swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of
the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will
bear true faith and allegiance tot he same; that I take this obligation
freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that
I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon
which I am about to enter; So help me God."







Maybe you think
he should be tortured, too?

20 years in Kansas making little ones out of big ones will do.

Joe



This is a new low.

What that you respect and support cowards and traitors that turn thier
backs on fellow soldiers and country?

Guess since W is president and commander and chief it's OK.

Yelp you have set a new low!

Joe

Joe

DSK

Shut up gayboy, you have nothing to say about it. Remember you did not
serve.

Joe

Bwahahahaa..... keep posting your filth and your lies. I'm sure at some
point people we realize you're the one who's gay.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Shut up gayboy, you have nothing to say about it. Remember you did not
serve.

Joe

Joey is reliving the past... when men were men and sheep were nervous.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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DSK wrote:
Did you read this before you cut-n-pasted it, Joe?

Joe wrote:
Hinzman is from Rapid City, South Dakota and has already served a
tour
of duty in Afghanistan.

It seems to me that a soldier who served one tour of duty in
Afghanistan
may be a deserter, but he's not a coward or a traitor.

That because you give no creedence to a oath.
You were in the military...or so you say

Guess you forgot everything you swore.

Here Dougieee let me re-fresh you swiftly dwindling memory.

The Oath of Enlistment (for enlistees):

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend
the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and
that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and
the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations
and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

The Oath of Office (for officers):

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the
United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly
swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of
the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will
bear true faith and allegiance tot he same; that I take this obligation
freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that
I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon
which I am about to enter; So help me God."







Maybe you think
he should be tortured, too?

20 years in Kansas making little ones out of big ones will do.

Joe



This is a new low.

What that you respect and support cowards and traitors that turn thier
backs on fellow soldiers and country?

Guess since W is president and commander and chief it's OK.

Yelp you have set a new low!

Joe

Joe

DSK

Jonboy. That is the oath the traitor swore to. I'm quite sure you feel
it's OK to stab your country and friends in the back ( or in your case
the ass). But most honorable people do not. When you solemnly swear to
do something you better follow thru or your a lowlife ****ball liar
scum.

Do you think that coward paid back the 10,000 dollar enlistment bonus
he accepted when he joined up?

Not only is he a coward.. he is a thief, that stole from you and I,
that is IF you pay taxes.

Joe

"Joe" wrote
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend
the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and
that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States

That's a tough one - having to obey orders from the Constitution's worst
enemy.

Do you know what he did in Afghanistan? A cook in a kitchen thats what.
Big bad paratrooper..wonder why they stuck him with galley duty?

And BTW since this is a time of war he can be put to death for
deserting.

IMO that may be a bit harsh, but 20 yrs in levenworth seem to fit the
crime. And it's seems Canada judicial systems thinks it's 'not
excessive or disproportionately severe.'

Well done Canada. Guess they found out traitors aren't really worth
having as citizens.

Joe



Joe

It seems to me that a soldier who served one tour of duty in
Afghanistan
may be a deserter, but he's not a coward or a traitor.


Joe wrote:
That because you give no creedence to a oath.

Not true at all.

You were in the military...or so you say


If I were going to lie, I'd make it more impressive.


Guess you forgot everything you swore.


Nope. Wrong again. I'm just not as quick to condemn as you are. Maybe I
don't have some kind of psychological need to hate others.

DSK

Joey, keep posting your filth. At some point, people will realize you have a
serious personality disorder. You might want to consider getting treatment
sooner rather than later.

In any case, you still haven't said when your flight leaves.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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Jonboy. That is the oath the traitor swore to. I'm quite sure you feel
it's OK to stab your country and friends in the back ( or in your case
the ass). But most honorable people do not. When you solemnly swear to
do something you better follow thru or your a lowlife ****ball liar
scum.

Do you think that coward paid back the 10,000 dollar enlistment bonus
he accepted when he joined up?

Not only is he a coward.. he is a thief, that stole from you and I,
that is IF you pay taxes.

Joe

Quick to condemn?

He admits he is a deserter.

I did not condemn him he did it to himself, what about that do you not
understand. It's not like we are missing evidence, or proof.

Do you support liars?

And BTW he is a traitor.

Definitions of traitor on the Web:

someone who betrays his country by committing treason
double-crosser: a person who says one thing and does another
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

Definitions of treason on the Web:

a crime that undermines the offender's government
disloyalty by virtue of subversive behavior
treachery: an act of deliberate betrayal
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

Do you need me to define betrayal?

Joe

What lies?

Joe

Joe wrote:
Quick to condemn?


Yes, as in calling people ugly names.

I bet you probably would not to his face.


He admits he is a deserter.


That does not make him a traitor nor a coward.

It's possible that he is one, or both, but why rush to condemn him based
on your political prejudices? If you are so enthusiastic about war in
Iraq, why not go yourself? Are you a coward?

DSK

You mean you don't know???

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"Joe" wrote in message
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What lies?

Joe

Be Careful Joe;

Jon and Doug are both in the process of sloping and slanting YOUR post
about the TRAITOR and making you the DEFENDENT!

OT

Thom, I would never do that! Besides, this is your thread!!

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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Be Careful Joe;

Jon and Doug are both in the process of sloping and slanting YOUR post
about the TRAITOR and making you the DEFENDENT!

OT

First off Doug he admits he's a deserter. Fact

I would say it to his face without hesitation. Fact

His actions define him as a traitor. Fact

Politics have nothing to do with it. Fact

And I honored and lived up to the oath I took when I joined, If I took
one now... I would do the same. Fact.

Joe

No problem Ol Thom. Jon did not serve and can not understand, so what
he says has no bearing what so ever.

Doug on the other hand dislikes our president so much...(being the
bleeding liberal he is)...he will support and defend anyone that tries
to turns his discraceful action into a political statement. However
Doug did serve. So he deserves to be heard, even if he brings politics
to a place where it does not belong. Politics have nothing to do with
this traitors actions.

Joe

Like I said Joey, you're a liar. Bwahahahaaaaa.....

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"Joe" wrote in message
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No problem Ol Thom. Jon did not serve and can not understand, so what
he says has no bearing what so ever.

Doug on the other hand dislikes our president so much...(being the
bleeding liberal he is)...he will support and defend anyone that tries
to turns his discraceful action into a political statement. However
Doug did serve. So he deserves to be heard, even if he brings politics
to a place where it does not belong. Politics have nothing to do with
this traitors actions.

Joe

"JG" really wrote:
I'm sure at
some point people we realize I'm the one who's gay.

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No Jon,

It is not my thread. It is Joe's thread. Go back and read the original
post. That will give the knowledge you need to know who you're arguing
with and what you are arguing about.

Joe is not the traitor that Canada sent back to the USA. That is a fact,
not a lie. The traitor did not live up to the oath he swore to uphold.
That is also a fact, not a lie.

Jon, I do believe Joe is on the High Grournd.

Ole Thom

Here's another great example of someone who has some major personality
problems. One is hopeful that he will seek help.

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"bell" wrote in message ...
"JG" really wrote:
I'm sure at
some point people we realize I'm the one who's gay.

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Thom, I'm voting that this be your thread not Joe's. It's not possible for
Joey to be on the high ground. He's a sociopath.

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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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No Jon,

It is not my thread. It is Joe's thread. Go back and read the original
post. That will give the knowledge you need to know who you're arguing
with and what you are arguing about.

Joe is not the traitor that Canada sent back to the USA. That is a fact,
not a lie. The traitor did not live up to the oath he swore to uphold.
That is also a fact, not a lie.

Jon, I do believe Joe is on the High Grournd.

Ole Thom

JG wrote:
Thom, I'm voting that this be your thread not Joe's. It's not
possible for
me to be on the high ground. I'm a gay sociopath.







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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
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No Jon,

It is not my thread. It is Joe's thread. Go back and read the
original
post. That will give the knowledge you need to know who you're
arguing
with and what you are arguing about.

Joe is not the traitor that Canada sent back to the USA. That is a
fact,
not a lie. The traitor did not live up to the oath he swore to
uphold.
That is also a fact, not a lie.

Jon, I do believe Joe is on the High Grournd.

Ole Thom

Yeh Joey, keep forging the content of my posts. It really makes you look
like the little man you are... I suggest you get some profession help.
You've got a lot of anger, and it's not good for you.

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"Joe" wrote in message
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JG wrote:
Thom, I'm voting that this be your thread not Joe's. It's not
possible for
me to be on the high ground. I'm a gay sociopath.







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"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
No Jon,

It is not my thread. It is Joe's thread. Go back and read the
original
post. That will give the knowledge you need to know who you're
arguing
with and what you are arguing about.

Joe is not the traitor that Canada sent back to the USA. That is a
fact,
not a lie. The traitor did not live up to the oath he swore to
uphold.
That is also a fact, not a lie.

Jon, I do believe Joe is on the High Grournd.

Ole Thom

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 18:33:38 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap:

Yeh Joey, keep forging the content of my posts. It really makes you look
like the little man you are... I suggest you get some profession help.
You've got a lot of anger, and it's not good for you.


Didn't you just admit you were gay?





This post is 100% free of steroids

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:33:22 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap:

You mean you don't know???


That you're gay?





This post is 100% free of steroids

Yes he did. He's admitted it for years.

Infact he claims he was born that way.

Joe
MSV RedCloud
A Boat to envy!

Shhhhh.....

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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message
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What lies?

You said that Jon didn't serve his country by doing military service.


That sounds like a lie to me.


Regards


Donal
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Thom Stewart wrote:
Be Careful Joe;

Jon and Doug are both in the process of sloping and slanting YOUR post
about the TRAITOR and making you the DEFENDENT!


That's right Thom, America is all about hatred & deciding that people
are guilty with no proof, much less a trial; maybe when Canada sends
back those filthy traitors you & Joe can torture them.

DSK

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:19:08 -0500, DSK wrote
this crap:

Thom Stewart wrote:
Be Careful Joe;

Jon and Doug are both in the process of sloping and slanting YOUR post
about the TRAITOR and making you the DEFENDENT!


That's right Thom, America is all about hatred & deciding that people
are guilty with no proof, much less a trial; maybe when Canada sends
back those filthy traitors you & Joe can torture them.

DSK


DSK is a lying cocksucker, and a coward.

DSK has posted blatent lies on this newsgroup, and when he is proven
to be a liar, he doesn't have the balls to defend himself.






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Doug,

Do you consider D. Arnold a traitor? He severed with distinction before
going against his Army Oath.

Ole Thom




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Thom Stewart wrote:
Doug,

Do you consider D. Arnold a traitor? He severed with distinction before
going against his Army Oath.


Do you mean Benedict Arnold?

Heck yes he is a traitor. Among other things, he was commissioned as a
general officer by the British after attempting to hand over West Point
(an important strategic fort at the time). You're right, before that he
served with great distinction... some would say he was the best American
general of the Revolutionary War.

There is a big difference between treason and desertion. Benedict Arnold
did not merely desert his post. He actively warred against the United
Stated.

Yet another point:
Military personnel fleeing to Canada from Stateside posts aren't even
deserters. They're AWOL. To be a deserter, you have to flee your post in
a war zone.

DSK

DSK wrote:


Yet another point:
Military personnel fleeing to Canada from Stateside posts aren't even

deserters. They're AWOL. To be a deserter, you have to flee your post
in
a war zone.

DSK

Desertion is defining as leaving with "intent to remain away
permenantly"
(Article 85 UCMJ.) Since the intent is often difficult to prove, most
cases
are simply charged as Unauthorized Absence (Article 86 UCMJ).
Virtually all
Article 86 cases serious enough for court martial will go to a Special
Court
Martial where the maximum penalty is Confinement for 6 months,
reduction to pay
grade E-1, forfeiture of pay, and a Bad Conduct Discharge.


If Charged with Desertion, the case is usually heard at a General Court
Martial, where the Maximum punishment for Article 85 (IIRC) is 5 years
confinement and a Dishonorable Discharge.

Joe

Excuse me Doug,

That should have been a B instead of a D.
Glad you knew who I meant.

OT

Every colonist fighting the British was guilty of treason in that war..
George Washington would likely have been hanged had he been captured.

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Thom Stewart wrote:
Doug,

Do you consider D. Arnold a traitor? He severed with distinction before
going against his Army Oath.


Do you mean Benedict Arnold?

Heck yes he is a traitor. Among other things, he was commissioned as a
general officer by the British after attempting to hand over West Point
(an important strategic fort at the time). You're right, before that he
served with great distinction... some would say he was the best American
general of the Revolutionary War.

There is a big difference between treason and desertion. Benedict Arnold
did not merely desert his post. He actively warred against the United
Stated.

Yet another point:
Military personnel fleeing to Canada from Stateside posts aren't even
deserters. They're AWOL. To be a deserter, you have to flee your post in
a war zone.

DSK

Steve Thomas wrote:
Every colonist fighting the British was guilty of treason in that war..
George Washington would likely have been hanged had he been captured.


The point of what Thom was asking (if I understood correctly) "was
Benedict Arnold guilty of treason against the United States." What he
did was far above (or below) & beyond desertion.

DSK