On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 18:51:21 -0800, "JG" wrote
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My experience is that if you don't get out there and sail, you don't run
aground.


That is such a dickless comment. No guts, no glory, Jon-boy.





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There are only three types of sailors in the world, those who have been
aground, those who dont sail very often and those who lie

I would reduce that to two: those who have been aground and those who
lie.

Agreed. The ones who sail infrequently typically are the ones who run
aground.

Max

Or frequently sail in fairly shallow water.

In which case you get a boat with a swing keel. When you hit something, just
crank 'er up. Been there, done that and many valuable lessons cheaply
learned.

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Until all the facts are in, we'll have to speculate. My only sense is
that he was too far right in his approach. If so, what caused this
and/or why, will determine much of what happens next.

Nearly did something similar once approaching Shinnecock Inlet on Long
Island. We were coming from the west along the shore and aimed for the buoy
just off the jetty when I noticed an awful lot of white water where there
should not have been any. Changed direction to the sea buoy and then came
straight in to the inlet from there. Lots of shoaling on either side of the
inlet well out past the jetties.

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I think that it will be very interesting to see what the Marine Safety
Officer will conclude from the investigation of this grounding. I
suspect that the Master is going to have to hire a pile of GOOD Sea
Lawyers, just to keep his license from being suspended, or revoked.
Looks to me like a case of very Poor Seamanship, and navigation.
For a Small Passenger Ship to get itself in such a situation, shows
how much there is a need for better testing for a Masters License.

You are prejudging a situation where you were not present and have no way of
knowinbg all the factors at the time.


I am not judging anything at all. I am waiting for the MSO to report
what he finds during his investigation. I have long experience in
documenting USCG Inquiry Boards, and outcomes. Most Masters that end
up at Inquiry, get suspended, or revoked. Especially if they had
Passengers aboard, as USCG Inquiries tend to come down harshly when
Passengers are put at risk.


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I am not judging anything at all. I am waiting for the MSO to report
what he finds during his investigation. I have long experience in
documenting USCG Inquiry Boards, and outcomes. Most Masters that end
up at Inquiry, get suspended, or revoked. Especially if they had
Passengers aboard, as USCG Inquiries tend to come down harshly when
Passengers are put at risk.

Not arguing with you about that at all. I agree. I also agree the poor skipper
is no doubt in serious trouble. But we don't know yet.

I keep thinking about Capt. Brown of the USS Missouri who went on the mud
approaching Newport Roads. He wasn't on watch. End of career. Or the skippewr
of that submaraine that hit the undersea mountain recently. End of career. And
he was just a victim of bad luck. But then, hindsight is marvelous, especially
among people who were not there.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 08:12:04 -0500, Gogarty
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Changed direction to the sea buoy and then came
straight in to the inlet from there. Lots of shoaling on either side of the
inlet well out past the jetties.

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That's a good point. The sea buoys are usually positioned where they
are for a reason.

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Or the skipper
of that submaraine that hit the undersea mountain recently. End of career.

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Has that been determined for a fact?

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Or the skipper
of that submaraine that hit the undersea mountain recently. End of career.

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Has that been determined for a fact?

I believe he was courtmartialed and accused of travelling to fast and paying
proper attention to navigation in a chancy area. Yes, his career is over.

Umm... you haven't done much sailing on brigantines have you. I've run
two diffferent tallships (a schooner and a brig) and own my own 40
footer. I would agree with that statement for small boats but not for
the hundred foot plus traditional rigs. Generally I (and the officiers
I've sailed under) are more interested in reducing windage (of which
those boats have A LOT of) and increasing visibility.

Probably not swamped a 12 or 14 foot rib (which they might carry) but
launching the small boat is really challanging (read dangerous) in a
good seaway.