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There are only three types of sailors in the world, those who have been
aground, those who dont sail very often and those who lie

I would reduce that to two: those who have been aground and those who
lie.

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You are probably right, that group makes few mistakes.

The anchors are huge, but their dinghy is a good one, with a substantial
outboard. The dinghy was still in the davits until the last day on the
beach.

What do you do?

I would defer to the people on the scene. It is well to remember, as Irving
Johnson himself points out in "Rounding Cape Horn," that seas are generally
much bigger and more boisterous than they appear to be in photographs or
movies.

Jim wrote:
You are probably right, that group makes few mistakes.

The anchors are huge, but their dinghy is a good one, with a substantial
outboard. The dinghy was still in the davits until the last day on the
beach.

What do you do?

The problem with running out the anchors in this particular case,
immediately after the grounding, was SAFELY getting to them and working
them with a small boat in the given sea conditions and considering all
else that is going on regarding passenger and crew safety with the close
proximity of the breakwater.
There will be much "Monday Morning Quaterbacking" about this. In time
some viable options may/will arise, but the most important
considerations are that passengers, crew and vessel are all saved.

otn

Three... those who will be aground.

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In article .com,
says...


There are only three types of sailors in the world, those who have been
aground, those who dont sail very often and those who lie

I would reduce that to two: those who have been aground and those who
lie.

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otnmbrd wrote:

The problem with running out the anchors in this particular case,
immediately after the grounding, was SAFELY getting to them and working
them with a small boat in the given sea conditions and considering all
else that is going on regarding passenger and crew safety with the close
proximity of the breakwater.
There will be much "Monday Morning Quaterbacking" about this. In time
some viable options may/will arise, but the most important
considerations are that passengers, crew and vessel are all saved.

otn

I think that it will be very interesting to see what the Marine Safety
Officer will conclude from the investigation of this grounding. I
suspect that the Master is going to have to hire a pile of GOOD Sea
Lawyers, just to keep his license from being suspended, or revoked.
Looks to me like a case of very Poor Seamanship, and navigation.
For a Small Passenger Ship to get itself in such a situation, shows
how much there is a need for better testing for a Masters License.


Me

"Gogarty" wrote in message


In article .com,
says...


There are only three types of sailors in the world, those who have been
aground, those who dont sail very often and those who lie

I would reduce that to two: those who have been aground and those who
lie.

Agreed. The ones who sail infrequently typically are the ones who run
aground.

Max

In article ,
says...

I think that it will be very interesting to see what the Marine Safety
Officer will conclude from the investigation of this grounding. I
suspect that the Master is going to have to hire a pile of GOOD Sea
Lawyers, just to keep his license from being suspended, or revoked.
Looks to me like a case of very Poor Seamanship, and navigation.
For a Small Passenger Ship to get itself in such a situation, shows
how much there is a need for better testing for a Masters License.

You are prejudging a situation where you were not present and have no way of
knowinbg all the factors at the time.

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"Gogarty" wrote in message


In article .com,
says...


There are only three types of sailors in the world, those who have been
aground, those who dont sail very often and those who lie

I would reduce that to two: those who have been aground and those who
lie.

Agreed. The ones who sail infrequently typically are the ones who run
aground.

Max

Or frequently sail in fairly shallow water.

John Cairns

Me wrote:



I think that it will be very interesting to see what the Marine Safety
Officer will conclude from the investigation of this grounding. I
suspect that the Master is going to have to hire a pile of GOOD Sea
Lawyers, just to keep his license from being suspended, or revoked.
Looks to me like a case of very Poor Seamanship, and navigation.
For a Small Passenger Ship to get itself in such a situation, shows
how much there is a need for better testing for a Masters License.


Me

Until all the facts are in, we'll have to speculate. My only sense is
that he was too far right in his approach. If so, what caused this
and/or why, will determine much of what happens next.

As for license exams......
An exam is only an indication of how well someone takes exams and knows
basic information. From there, it becomes the onus of the
owners/managers of the particular vessel, to determine the suitability
of an individual to perform under that license.
If you look at those individuals giving the test for US upper licenses,
I doubt you'd find one who is themselves, qualified to hold that license.

otn

My experience is that if you don't get out there and sail, you don't run
aground.

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www.sailnow.com

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In article .com,
says...


There are only three types of sailors in the world, those who have been
aground, those who dont sail very often and those who lie

I would reduce that to two: those who have been aground and those who
lie.

Agreed. The ones who sail infrequently typically are the ones who run
aground.

Max

Or frequently sail in fairly shallow water.

John Cairns