Labor Union, Extinct Thyself! -- a treatise
 

Dear Group,

I have been tickled by the naivety of those participating in
the recent thread discussing labor unions.

To all of you, I say . . .

What a crock of hock! What a pile of crap! What a heap of
dung! What a sordid example of the blind leading the blind!

As is the case, more often than not on this pathetic ship of fools
called alt.sailing.asa, there is not one soul in the sorry lot of you
blighters who has even a basic grasp of the issue. Here, to help
set things aright, is a treatise which shall guide you along the
straight and narrow path to understanding.


LABOR UNION, EXTINCT THYSELF!


Over the millennia, many species have arisen. Some thrived; some
became extinct.

Among the reasons a species thrives is it adapts to fill a niche in
the environment. Among the reasons a species becomes extinct is it
fails to adapt to a niche in the environment. Labor unions can be
compared to an extinct species is that labor unions not only failed
to adapt but they actually destroyed the very niche they once filled.

There was a time, many years ago, when unions had a purpose,
which purpose was that union workers could speak with one strong
and organized voice instead of many weak and disparate voices.
Once upon a time, when workers were treated like slaves, there was
a niche for labor unions. Labor unions thrived because they filled
the niche. They wrestled with slave masters and turned slavery into
fair wage and benefits. Theirs was a noble undertaking.

As the years rolled by, labor unions deviated from their goal
of obtaining for workers fair wages and benefits to demanding
untenable wages and benefits. Untenable for companies who employ
union workers, that is. Labor unions became greedy and corrupt. A
self-serving bureaucracy grew like a large, festering carbuncle on
the backs of dues-paying union workers. Companies that produced
goods and services were overly burdened by having to carry union
workers as well as the carbuncle of a corrupt union bureaucracy.

The niche, once successfully filled by labor unions, was driven
out of existence by labor unions themselves. Selfish workers with
their liberal entitlement mentality did not know when to say "Enough
is enough!" They killed the goose that laid the golden egg.

Even unsuccessful animal species do not destroy their own niche.
Generally speaking, when a species becomes extinct it is because
the environment changes until its niche is unsuitable and it cannot
evolve fast enough to adapt to the changed conditions. Or, the
species might be driven out by another more adept at filling the
niche.

Union workers changed their environment and destroyed it by
causing profit-killing overhead for the companies forced to hire
the same. These companies, in order to make a profit, had to
increase the price of their goods and services. These companies
could no longer compete with companies at home and abroad that
are not encumbered by pernicious union overhead. Unions, by
their very nature, transform free enterprise into socialism and
history proves that socialism is a failed economic experiment.

In other words, union workers of today are more stupid than
the lowliest pond scum in that they have destroyed their own niche
via greed and corruption while pond scum continues to thrive, living
harmoniously in the niche it evolved to fill.

Labor unions drive jobs offshore, drive factories offshore, drive
products offshore and drive incentive offshore. They do this by
increasing the cost of production until it rises well above that of the
less greedy, non-union economies which are more adept at filling the
niche.

Hey, all you ignorant union workers who complain about outsourcing
- you made your bed, so lie in it. Down with labor unions and liberalism
of all kinds! I have spoken.

Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
©2005 - Capt. Neal®

Amen Capt Neal!

Praise and Glory!

Read on, good Capt, see what Bobsprit has done to his child!

Is Breastfeeding a Gateway Sin?

FREEHOLD, IOWA - Church authorities were prompted to make a public statement
against breastfeeding last Tuesday when it was found that a number of church
ladies had been breastfeeding their children well into adulthood. "Little
Randy is nearly 15-years old now," said church mother, Ida Jenkins. "I still
breastfeed the boy because I read in some secular magazine somewhere that
the nutritional benefits of breastfeeding never really end." It was found
that Mrs. Jenkins was nourishing young Randy 'round the clock by draining
her teat into sippy cup and packing it in his Veggie Tales lunchbox. "The
youngster was sharing it with other students," said Landover Baptist Junior
High School Principal, Gil Higglesworth. "I got suspicious after taking a
sip of it myself."

"What needs to happen here, is to just do away with breastfeeding
altogether," said Pastor Deacon Fred. "Poor young Christian boys are being
weaned into oral gratification from infancy and the whole thing just stinks
like the devil's hiney. "Our Baptist community comes from the school of
thought that when a young boy starts to get hair under his arms that is the
sign from God that he is becoming a man and it is time to stop nursing."
Pastor Deacon Fred explained that those days are long past, and the time has
come to end breastfeeding altogether.

Landover Baptist Creation Scientists then revealed the shocking results of a
4-year study that links breastfeeding to early sexual activity among
youngsters. "We found that many young people who engage in breastfeeding,
even if they stop at the age of 2 - oftentimes partake in what secular
humanists call, 'third-base sexual activity' before marriage," said Dr.
Jonathan Edwards. "Our study also concludes that breastfeeding leads to
sloppy kissing, drooling, teat fetishes, and cattle buggery." Creation
Scientists also expressed concern that the hardened nipples of a Christian
woman who is breastfeeding indicate a sinful state of sexual arousal.

Landover lady, Sister Taffy testified at 'The Fight To Stop Breastfeeding'
fundraising kickoff party. "I had Ezmirelda, my daughter Rebecca Grace's wet
nurse, wean her off the teat when she was old enough to walk to the fridge
and pour herself a glass of milk," she said. "Personally, the thought of
anything attaching itself to my body and sucking the Holy Ghost life force
out of me is revolting. The first thought that comes to mind are those old
colored women with their boobies hanging down to their knees. They don't get
those big sacks from eating all that watermelon. No, its from having 6-8 of
their children leached onto them until they are in their mid-twenties!
Glory!"

"In a world where toy manufacturers are slapping vaginas on Barbie Dolls and
convenience store owners think nothing of selling toy testicles and candy
suckers in the shape of male sex organs to young children, a Christian's
response must be to put on the full armor of God!" stated Pastor Deacon
Fred. "In these last days, the Devil will take many forms. Us True
Christians® are the only people who can see Satan in just about everything,
and it's our job to expose him, even if it makes us look ridiculous to the
unsaved public. It's just a shame that now have to take something as
innocent as nursing a young child and call it a sin. But Satan doesn't give
us a choice, folks. We are at war with unseen forces and principalities of
darkness who will stop at nothing until they drag every single person on the
face of this planet straight down to Hell. With this in mind, won't you
please join us in our fight to end breastfeeding? Your checkbooks are like
little tiny daggers you can throw into the devil's backside. Praise!"

Neal,

Bluntly; "You're full of ****!"

This is sent to you from a non-union person; ME. I was transferred to
the NW because of my feeling for a Non-union environment. We started and
ran a non-union Refinery. ARCO

You have to be out of your "Cotton Picking Mind" to think that the
Outsourcing of our Industry is happening to escape "Greed". It is being
driven by Greed. The mentality of "Higher Profits", that is the Greed.
If you can't see that, then you are one of those people "Blind because
you refuse to See!"

Be sure that you will see unions blossoming where this greed is taking
place. Management Greed is the seed of unionism. The is what they feed
on. As they feed and grow, corruption happens.

Ole Thom

Thom,
you are living proof that with age, comes wisdom!
Scout

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Neal,

Bluntly; "You're full of ****!"

This is sent to you from a non-union person; ME. I was transferred to
the NW because of my feeling for a Non-union environment. We started and
ran a non-union Refinery. ARCO

You have to be out of your "Cotton Picking Mind" to think that the
Outsourcing of our Industry is happening to escape "Greed". It is being
driven by Greed. The mentality of "Higher Profits", that is the Greed.
If you can't see that, then you are one of those people "Blind because
you refuse to See!"

Be sure that you will see unions blossoming where this greed is taking
place. Management Greed is the seed of unionism. The is what they feed
on. As they feed and grow, corruption happens.

Ole Thom

well, yr funny, I'll give you that much.
Scout

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Dear Group,

I have been tickled by the naivety of those participating in
the recent thread discussing labor unions.

To all of you, I say . . .

What a crock of hock! What a pile of crap! What a heap of
dung! What a sordid example of the blind leading the blind!

As is the case, more often than not on this pathetic ship of fools
called alt.sailing.asa, there is not one soul in the sorry lot of you
blighters who has even a basic grasp of the issue. Here, to help
set things aright, is a treatise which shall guide you along the
straight and narrow path to understanding.


LABOR UNION, EXTINCT THYSELF!


Over the millennia, many species have arisen. Some thrived; some
became extinct.

Among the reasons a species thrives is it adapts to fill a niche in
the environment. Among the reasons a species becomes extinct is it
fails to adapt to a niche in the environment. Labor unions can be
compared to an extinct species is that labor unions not only failed
to adapt but they actually destroyed the very niche they once filled.

There was a time, many years ago, when unions had a purpose,
which purpose was that union workers could speak with one strong
and organized voice instead of many weak and disparate voices.
Once upon a time, when workers were treated like slaves, there was
a niche for labor unions. Labor unions thrived because they filled
the niche. They wrestled with slave masters and turned slavery into
fair wage and benefits. Theirs was a noble undertaking.

As the years rolled by, labor unions deviated from their goal
of obtaining for workers fair wages and benefits to demanding
untenable wages and benefits. Untenable for companies who employ
union workers, that is. Labor unions became greedy and corrupt. A
self-serving bureaucracy grew like a large, festering carbuncle on
the backs of dues-paying union workers. Companies that produced
goods and services were overly burdened by having to carry union
workers as well as the carbuncle of a corrupt union bureaucracy.

The niche, once successfully filled by labor unions, was driven
out of existence by labor unions themselves. Selfish workers with
their liberal entitlement mentality did not know when to say "Enough
is enough!" They killed the goose that laid the golden egg.

Even unsuccessful animal species do not destroy their own niche.
Generally speaking, when a species becomes extinct it is because
the environment changes until its niche is unsuitable and it cannot
evolve fast enough to adapt to the changed conditions. Or, the
species might be driven out by another more adept at filling the
niche.

Union workers changed their environment and destroyed it by
causing profit-killing overhead for the companies forced to hire
the same. These companies, in order to make a profit, had to
increase the price of their goods and services. These companies
could no longer compete with companies at home and abroad that
are not encumbered by pernicious union overhead. Unions, by
their very nature, transform free enterprise into socialism and
history proves that socialism is a failed economic experiment.

In other words, union workers of today are more stupid than
the lowliest pond scum in that they have destroyed their own niche
via greed and corruption while pond scum continues to thrive, living
harmoniously in the niche it evolved to fill.

Labor unions drive jobs offshore, drive factories offshore, drive
products offshore and drive incentive offshore. They do this by
increasing the cost of production until it rises well above that of the
less greedy, non-union economies which are more adept at filling the
niche.

Hey, all you ignorant union workers who complain about outsourcing
- you made your bed, so lie in it. Down with labor unions and liberalism
of all kinds! I have spoken.

Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
©2005 - Capt. Neal®

"Capt. Neal®" wrote
Dear Group,

There was a time, many years ago, when unions had a purpose,

As the years rolled by, labor unions deviated from their goal

This is true, but look who caused it.

Most companies are run by professional mismanagers - bean counters with
MBAs. I doubt if it is universal but most MBAs I have known opted for
business degrees after flunking out of other more difficult disciplines such
as sports announcing. Unions were a reaction to their bad management. After
much turmoul, unions became an accepted and beneficial part of America. And
then what did they do? Why hire the same incompetents mismanage
themselves!! These trusted mismanagers either made "sweetheart" deals with
company mismanagers that made both rich at the expense of stockholders and
employees or, if the ompany managers didn't play, they duped the rank and
file into unrealistic demands that drove the employers overseas or into
bankruptcy. Twarn't the stockholders (owners) or the workers, it was the
professional mismanagers on both sides of the bargaining tables.

Thom,

Why isn't wanting higher pay considered greed? Unions are typically the
highest paid, with the most benefits. Are they the greediest?

Of a companies total operating budget profits may be 5-7%. Labor costs are
roughly 80%. When a company fails to make enough money in a year, profits
are cut, wages are not. Is this greed?


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Neal,

Bluntly; "You're full of ****!"

This is sent to you from a non-union person; ME. I was transferred to
the NW because of my feeling for a Non-union environment. We started and
ran a non-union Refinery. ARCO

You have to be out of your "Cotton Picking Mind" to think that the
Outsourcing of our Industry is happening to escape "Greed". It is being
driven by Greed. The mentality of "Higher Profits", that is the Greed.
If you can't see that, then you are one of those people "Blind because
you refuse to See!"

Be sure that you will see unions blossoming where this greed is taking
place. Management Greed is the seed of unionism. The is what they feed
on. As they feed and grow, corruption happens.

Ole Thom

"Vito" wrote in message
...


Most companies are run by professional mismanagers - bean counters with
MBAs. I doubt if it is universal but most MBAs I have known opted for
business degrees after flunking out of other more difficult disciplines
such
as sports announcing. Unions were a reaction to their bad management.

Unions were created way before MBA degrees existed. Most MBAs I know have
degrees in engineering or MD degrees.

After
much turmoul, unions became an accepted and beneficial part of America.
And
then what did they do? Why hire the same incompetents mismanage
themselves!!

Where did Jimmy Hoffa get his MBA? George Sweeney?

These trusted mismanagers either made "sweetheart" deals with
company mismanagers that made both rich at the expense of stockholders and
employees or, if the ompany managers didn't play, they duped the rank and
file into unrealistic demands that drove the employers overseas or into
bankruptcy.

Union members voted on contracts. So the union leaders were out to either
screw the union or screw the company. By what you're saying, union members,
as an aggregate, must be really ignorant.

Twarn't the stockholders (owners) or the workers, it was the
professional mismanagers on both sides of the bargaining tables.


No, it was the Mob Mentality of the Union membership. They were too ignorant
to act in their own individual best interests. Remember the motto:

"None of us are as dumb as all of us"

History is strewn with the wreckage of collectivism. Unions are just some
more scrap on the heap.


Amen!

Bob Crantz

"Bob Crantz" wrote

Unions were created way before MBA degrees existed. Most MBAs I know have
degrees in engineering or MD degrees.

But not before professional mismanagers. How many do you know, two - one who
failed as an engineer and the other as an MD?

Where did Jimmy Hoffa get his MBA? George Sweeney?

Trucking is a poor example - both the business and the union being run by
the mobs.

Union members voted on contracts. So the union leaders were out to either
screw the union or screw the company. By what you're saying, union
members,
as an aggregate, must be really ignorant.

Yes - almost as ignorant as the people who reelected Bush.

History is strewn with the wreckage of collectivism.

Oh? Then why is Christianity - the epitomy of socialism - enjoying a
resurgence?

In reply; Asking higher wages in an economy that is rising is not greed.
GREED is when CEO's go from 1 million a year to 5 or 6 million. Pennies
an hour doesn't even approach the greed of the ownership and top
management.

What in all that's Holy can any individual justify a 8 million dollar a
year salary. Greed is to be the only reason

When profits go down, Workers, both union and non-union loss money or
their job. Upper management take their operation and set up outside our
borders BUT not their retail outlets. They want to sell to the better
paid people in this country, without having to pay the wages within that
market place.

That is what your Republic Government has made possible.

You must correct your Myopic Vision and look at the total picture. Don't
hide behind a alias and take things out of context

"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Bob Crantz" wrote

Unions were created way before MBA degrees existed. Most MBAs I know
have
degrees in engineering or MD degrees.

But not before professional mismanagers. How many do you know, two - one
who
failed as an engineer and the other as an MD?

Outside of my class, I know about 30. 6 of them are MD/MBA the rest are
engineers/MBA. So is the MBA degree a formalization of the professional
mismanagement? Ganz has an MBA, what has he mismanaged?



Where did Jimmy Hoffa get his MBA? George Sweeney?

Trucking is a poor example - both the business and the union being run by
the mobs.

Unions exist only because of government legislation or coercion. They're a
monopoly design to limit people entering the labor pool or the people an
employer can hire. That's how they hold a gun to the head of employers. They
are a monopoly! There are other unions too - The American Medical
Association, The Postal Workers Union, Airline Pilots Union. Why is it that
any industry that is heavily unionized has high cost, inefficiency and
bloated bureaucracy? Name one that doesn't. Give me a good example.



Union members voted on contracts. So the union leaders were out to
either
screw the union or screw the company. By what you're saying, union
members,
as an aggregate, must be really ignorant.

Yes - almost as ignorant as the people who reelected Bush.

Or elected Carter or Clinton.


History is strewn with the wreckage of collectivism.

Oh? Then why is Christianity - the epitomy of socialism - enjoying a
resurgence?

Is it? Joining a religion is voluntary. I don't have to join a Church to
pray. If I want to work, I may be forced to join a Union.

I view the return to religion as a return to morality - that's what religion
teaches. The Unionized public school system is amoral. It is not in their
doctrine to teach absolute right or wrong. Since public schools are the
state and church and state must be separated, morality goes out the window.
I am aware that the Church has no monopoly on morality, but not teaching the
tenets of the Ten Commandments to avoid association with religion flushes
morality down the toilet. So what's left to teach - The Constitution - in a
public school? BWAAAHAAAHAHA! Give me a break, do you want the State
teaching about the very document that limits the powers of the State?

It's obvious you are jaded, perhaps from some previous employer, to the
point of saying irrational things. It's like this: People complain all the
time about how WalMart mistreats their workers. They go on and on about how
no one should shop there. "If no one shops WalMart, they would collapse!".
My solution is much simpler, more effective and direct. Why try to get
hundreds of thousands not to shop at WalMart. Simply get a smaller group,
the employees and potential employees not to work there. I say, "If WalMart
is so bad, don't work there." When the labor pool dries up, they will offer
better. Not to shop there only hurts the current employees. Stop blaming
others for something bad in your past. Accept your responsibility in it and
move on.

Amen!

Praise!

Glory!

Bob Crantz

"Bob Crantz" wrote
Outside of my class, I know about 30. 6 of them are MD/MBA the rest are
engineers/MBA. So is the MBA degree a formalization of the professional
mismanagement? Ganz has an MBA, what has he mismanaged?

Oh, now I understand your indignation! You are one of the mismanagers.

Dave,

When CEO's are running their business with Stock Holder returns their
top priority when it should be the Product they aren't to long for this
world. A good CEO needs to look after BOTH, and do it in a humane manner

Ole Thom

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message

Ganz has an MBA, what has he mismanaged?

Gaynzy has a Master of Boned Ass???

CM

Bob Crantz wrote:

I view the return to religion as a return to morality

What in Hell has religion got to do with morality?

About as much as Republicanism has to do with conservatism.

Rick

My final comment (I hope)

MBA's and Unions; Neither were necessary before the Industrial
Revolution!!

That was when both came into being. Owners developed Company Towns to
make life easier for their employees and themselves. This turned out to
be a double edge sword.

Some were good and many became abusive. These that were abusive gave
rise to workers forming unions.

MBA were created to teach the proper treatment of successful practises
of handling ALL the parts of the business.

Those businesses without labor problems were studied as well as
partnerships, including money raising by stock sales

Good Management is still an Art, in my opinion, and not a Science as
many think so with MBA's. It is a dynamic system to deal with dynamic
problems. People problems on both sides are seldom the same. What is
humane to one is abuse to another

AND: "I'LL DRINK TO THAT!"

Ole Thom

"Dave" wrote in message

If you're the board of directors of a public company, which would you want
running your company?

That would depend on if you were producing a high end Camera or a disposable
Camera.

You get what you pay for....... if you are only interested in the profit
margin then Thom would be correct to say it is greed based.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is correct... the rest of the crap is
just that!

CM

Thom,

Help me with my myopia. Apply what you have said to this case: Microsoft.
Bill Gates is the richest man in the world. He's the CEO of Microsoft.

1. Does a union exist at Microsoft?
2. How many employees of Microsoft have become millionaires thanks to
Microsoft?
3. How many layoffs has Microsoft had?
4. How many jobs have Microsoft moved offshore?
5. How many people have become millionaires owning Microsoft stock?
6. Point out 3 examples of greed at Microsoft.

Now, do the same for Google, Dell Computers, Lincoln Welding, Toyota USA.
The scenario you portray is only made possible by the existence of an
extortionist labor base, namely Unions. Unions are the child of the
Democratic Party.

Amen!

Bob Crantz


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
In reply; Asking higher wages in an economy that is rising is not greed.
GREED is when CEO's go from 1 million a year to 5 or 6 million. Pennies
an hour doesn't even approach the greed of the ownership and top
management.

What in all that's Holy can any individual justify a 8 million dollar a
year salary. Greed is to be the only reason

When profits go down, Workers, both union and non-union loss money or
their job. Upper management take their operation and set up outside our
borders BUT not their retail outlets. They want to sell to the better
paid people in this country, without having to pay the wages within that
market place.

That is what your Republic Government has made possible.

You must correct your Myopic Vision and look at the total picture. Don't
hide behind a alias and take things out of context

Cato Policy Analysis No. 316 September 9, 1998

Policy Analysis
Freedom from Union Violence

by David Kendrick

David Kendrick is program director at the National Institute for Labor
Relations Research.

Executive Summary

Under the Supreme Court's 1973 Enmons decision, vandalism, assault, even
murder by union officials are exempt from federal anti-extortion law. As
long as the violence is aimed at obtaining property for which the union can
assert a "lawful claim"--for example, wage or benefit increases-- the
violence is deemed to be in furtherance of "legitimate" union objectives. By
the Court's peculiar logic, such violence does not count as extortion.

The result has been an epidemic of union-related violence. The National
Institute for Labor Relations Research (NILRR) has recorded 8,799 incidents
of violence from news reports since 1975. Those reports show only 258
convictions, suggesting a conviction rate of less than 3 percent. Moreover,
local law enforcement authorities often get many more reports of strike
violence than journalists can possibly cover.

Many states have taken a cue from the high Court by enacting their own
extortion laws with exemptions similar to those established by Enmons. As a
result, employees trying to support their families during a violent strike
are now denied protection against extortion under both state and federal
laws.

Because the federal government for six decades has immersed itself in labor
law under the rubric of the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), federal
action is necessary to see that violence does not accompany the exercise of
powers created by that statute. One avenue for relief is the Freedom from
Union Violence Act (FUVA), which targets all extortionate activity, even if
committed by union militants in pursuit of "legitimate" objectives.


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Neal,

Bluntly; "You're full of ****!"

This is sent to you from a non-union person; ME. I was transferred to
the NW because of my feeling for a Non-union environment. We started and
ran a non-union Refinery. ARCO

You have to be out of your "Cotton Picking Mind" to think that the
Outsourcing of our Industry is happening to escape "Greed". It is being
driven by Greed. The mentality of "Higher Profits", that is the Greed.
If you can't see that, then you are one of those people "Blind because
you refuse to See!"

Be sure that you will see unions blossoming where this greed is taking
place. Management Greed is the seed of unionism. The is what they feed
on. As they feed and grow, corruption happens.

Ole Thom

http://www.nilrr.org/9903a.htm


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Neal,

Bluntly; "You're full of ****!"

This is sent to you from a non-union person; ME. I was transferred to
the NW because of my feeling for a Non-union environment. We started and
ran a non-union Refinery. ARCO

You have to be out of your "Cotton Picking Mind" to think that the
Outsourcing of our Industry is happening to escape "Greed". It is being
driven by Greed. The mentality of "Higher Profits", that is the Greed.
If you can't see that, then you are one of those people "Blind because
you refuse to See!"

Be sure that you will see unions blossoming where this greed is taking
place. Management Greed is the seed of unionism. The is what they feed
on. As they feed and grow, corruption happens.

Ole Thom

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The Union Way
Punishment-free violence - and the legal loophole that allows it.

rmed militants advance their agenda by bombing their opponents' property,
assaulting their persons, and even attempting to murder them. This is a case
for the Department of Homeland Security, right?

Wrong.


Though they sometimes resemble terrorists, these non-state actors enjoy
legal protection. Federal law lets labor zealots threaten and commit
violence that promotes sanctioned union goals.

In the 1973 U.S. v. Enmons case, the Supreme Court exempted unions from the
1946 Hobbs Anti-Extortion Act, which forbids the obstruction of interstate
commerce through violence or blackmail. Thanks to the Enmons loophole,
organized labor can escape federal Hobbs Act prosecution, provided its
mayhem furthers "legitimate union objectives," such as higher wages. At
least 15 states similarly shield labor brutality.

Hence, unions have rained terror upon their enemies, primarily lawful
strike-replacement workers and salaried staffers. Unfortunately, those who
feel union muscle often remain unavenged. As Stan Greer of the National
Institute for Labor Relations Research (NILRR) explains, "the failure of
overwhelmed or politically neutralized [local] police and prosecutors to
enforce the law against union militants" leaves labor's victims hungry for
justice. Also distortive are union donations to elected officials who
supervise law enforcement.

In an August 6, 1997 letter, for instance, Houston Police Patrolmen's Union
president Terry Martin urged his 1,100 members to "help our union brothers
and sisters" in a Teamsters's strike against United Parcel Service. Martin
asked them to target UPS trucks with non-union drivers.

"Go out there and deal with the 'scabs' in the 'zero tolerance' mode that
all criminals deserve to be treated with," he wrote. "Whenever the UPS
strike ends I will let you know so that we may end our 'zero tolerance'
against the 'scabs.'"

NILRR has found that victims of union henchmen rarely find justice in local,
state, or federal criminal courts. According to media accounts NILRR has
analyzed, 2,193 incidents of union violence occurred nationally between 1991
and 2001. Only 62 individuals were arrested and 10 people punished for these
promised or actual attacks on people and property, yielding a reported
conviction rate of just 0.45 percent. (Events the media missed would boost
these figures.)

Consider these examples of union impunity:
Labor Ready manager Matthew Kahn helped guide replacement workers to
Hollander Home Fashions after its Los Angeles-area plant was struck by the
Union of Needletrades, Industrial and Textile Employees in March 2001.
Ramiro Hernandez and several UNITE organizers allegedly ambushed Kahn on May
18, 2001 in Labor Ready's parking lot. Khan suffered a concussion and
multiple head lacerations. According to Women's Wear Daily, Hernandez's
lawyers said he was arrested, but all charges against him were dropped.

The International Brotherhood of Teamsters was on strike against Overnite
Transportation between October 1999 and October 2002. In Overnite's
resulting RICO lawsuit against the Teamsters, Memphis-based federal District
Court Judge Bernice Donald said that 55 shootings and additional brick and
projectile attacks against Overnite's non-striking drivers were "related to
attempted murder."

20-year Overnite employee William Wonder was shot in the abdomen while
driving a company vehicle near Memphis, Tennessee on December 1, 1999.

"Overnite bears a heavy responsibility here," Teamsters president James
Hoffa Jr. said in a statement that appeared to capitalize on Wonder's
near-fatal injuries. "Overnite can end this strike at a moment's notice with
a binding agreement."

To date, no one has paid for shooting William Wonder.

As David C. Horn, vice president and general counsel of AK Steel
Corporation, testified before the House Education and Workforce Committee
last September 26, negotiations with the United Steelworkers of America and
AK's Mansfield, Ohio plant faltered in March, 1999. A company billboard soon
sported a poster that read:

Wanted - good reliable small arms, unused explosives (C-4 preferred)
names and addresses of all salary employees. Payback time!

The following September 25, Horn testified, "two, 1-gallon explosive devices
with nails are found on plant property. The fuses had been lit but failed to
detonate the devices."

After a Molotov cocktail burned beside an oxygen-hauling truck near the
facility that October 15, one of two pipe-bombs tossed into the plant
exploded the following November 11, luckily injuring nobody.

On December 6, 9, and 11, 1999, the home mailboxes of three salaried AK
employees exploded. On the 11th, another bomb damaged an S&S Transportation
truck that indirectly supplied AK scrap metal, injuring Jamie King of
Leesville, Ohio, then 22, who was asleep inside the vehicle. She temporarily
ended up on crutches.

After additional violence, a union representative anonymously told a
reporter for a July 18, 2000 story: AK's "going to get somebody killed by
not coming to the [negotiating] table."

Rep. Joe Wilson (R., South Carolina) has had enough of this. His Freedom
from Union Violence Act would end the Enmons exemption so the feds may
prosecute labor hooligans who abandon peaceful union activism for
intimidation and carnage.

"One element of terrorism is instilling fear in the general public," Wilson
says by phone. "This loophole instills fear in the workplace." Wilson, who
describes himself as "a National Review Republican," adds: "I don't take
this as an anti-union bill. It is an effort to increase safety for union and
non-union workers."

This is a perfect GOP issue. President Bush and congressional Republicans
should offer Democrats this choice: Punish those who pursue union goals by
force or polish the brass knuckles of the labor bosses who fill
Democratic-campaign coffers.

Will compassionate Democrats help stop this savagery, or will they wink at
the thuggery practiced by too many unionists? After all, labor gave
Democrats $89,882,124 for the 2002 elections, vs. $6,441,332 to Republicans
(or 93 vs. 7 percent of donations), reports the Center for Responsive
Politics' opensecrets.org campaign-finance database. Unions also gave
Democrats generous, undeclared in-kind contributions.

This would put Democrats in an incredibly tight spot out of which it would
be fascinating to watch them try to wiggle.

A vote on Rep. Wilson's measure will show Americans which members of
Congress still want federal officials to snooze while union hoodlums bust
jaws and send blood spurting across picket lines.

- Mr. Murdock is a columnist with the Scripps Howard News Service.

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Neal,

Bluntly; "You're full of ****!"

This is sent to you from a non-union person; ME. I was transferred to
the NW because of my feeling for a Non-union environment. We started and
ran a non-union Refinery. ARCO

You have to be out of your "Cotton Picking Mind" to think that the
Outsourcing of our Industry is happening to escape "Greed". It is being
driven by Greed. The mentality of "Higher Profits", that is the Greed.
If you can't see that, then you are one of those people "Blind because
you refuse to See!"

Be sure that you will see unions blossoming where this greed is taking
place. Management Greed is the seed of unionism. The is what they feed
on. As they feed and grow, corruption happens.

Ole Thom

108th CONGRESS
2d Session

S. 2159

To amend section 1951 of title 18, United States Code (commonly known as the
Hobbs Act), and for other purposes.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

March 3, 2004

Mr. SESSIONS (for himself, Mr. KYL, Mr. ENZI, Mr. MCCONNELL, and Mr.
NICKLES) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to
the Committee on the Judiciary

A BILL

To amend section 1951 of title 18, United States Code (commonly known as the
Hobbs Act), and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Freedom From Union Violence Act of
2003'.

SEC. 2. INTERFERENCE WITH COMMERCE BY THREATS OR VIOLENCE.

Section 1951 of title 18, United States Code, is amended to read as
follows:

`Sec. 1951. Interference with commerce by threats or violence

`(a) PROHIBITION- Except as provided in subsection (c), whoever in any
way or degree obstructs, delays, or affects commerce or the movement of any
article or commodity in commerce, by robbery or extortion, or attempts or
conspires so to do, or commits or threatens physical violence to any person
or property in furtherance of a plan or purpose to do anything in violation
of this section, shall be fined not more than $100,000, imprisoned for a
term of not more than 20 years, or both.

`(b) DEFINITIONS- For purposes of this section--

`(1) the term `commerce' means any--

`(A) commerce within the District of Columbia, or any
territory or possession of the United States;

`(B) commerce between any point in a State, territory,
possession, or the District of Columbia and any point outside thereof;

`(C) commerce between points within the same State through
any place outside that State; and

`(D) other commerce over which the United States has
jurisdiction;

`(2) the term `extortion' means the obtaining of property from
any person, with the consent of that person, if that consent is induced--

`(A) by actual or threatened use of force or violence, or
fear thereof;

`(B) by wrongful use of fear not involving force or
violence; or

`(C) under color of official right;

`(3) the term `labor dispute' has the same meaning as in section
2(9) of the National Labor Relations Act (29 U.S.C. 152(9)); and

`(4) the term `robbery' means the unlawful taking or obtaining
of personal property from the person or in the presence of another, against
his or her will, by means of actual or threatened force or violence, or fear
of injury, immediate or future--

`(A) to his or her person or property, or property in his
or her custody or possession; or

`(B) to the person or property of a relative or member of
his or her family, or of anyone in his or her company at the time of the
taking or obtaining.

`(c) EXEMPTED CONDUCT-

`(1) IN GENERAL- Subsection (a) does not apply to any conduct
that--

`(A) is incidental to otherwise peaceful picketing during
the course of a labor dispute;

`(B) consists solely of minor bodily injury, or minor
damage to property, or threat or fear of such minor injury or damage; and

`(C) is not part of a pattern of violent conduct or of
coordinated violent activity.

`(2) STATE AND LOCAL JURISDICTION- Any violation of this section
that involves any conduct described in paragraph (1) shall be subject to
prosecution only by the appropriate State and local authorities.

`(d) EFFECT ON OTHER LAW- Nothing in this section shall be construed--

`(1) to repeal, amend, or otherwise affect--

`(A) section 6 of the Clayton Act (15 U.S.C. 17);

`(B) section 20 of the Clayton Act (29 U.S.C. 52);

`(C) any provision of the Norris-LaGuardia Act (29 U.S.C.
101 et seq.);

`(D) any provision of the National Labor Relations Act (29
U.S.C. 151 et seq.); or

`(E) any provision of the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. 151
et seq.); or

`(2) to preclude Federal jurisdiction over any violation of this
section, on the basis that the conduct at issue--

`(A) is also a violation of State or local law; or

`(B) occurred during the course of a labor dispute or in
pursuit of a legitimate business or labor objective.'.

END
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
In reply; Asking higher wages in an economy that is rising is not greed.
GREED is when CEO's go from 1 million a year to 5 or 6 million. Pennies
an hour doesn't even approach the greed of the ownership and top
management.

What in all that's Holy can any individual justify a 8 million dollar a
year salary. Greed is to be the only reason

When profits go down, Workers, both union and non-union loss money or
their job. Upper management take their operation and set up outside our
borders BUT not their retail outlets. They want to sell to the better
paid people in this country, without having to pay the wages within that
market place.

That is what your Republic Government has made possible.

You must correct your Myopic Vision and look at the total picture. Don't
hide behind a alias and take things out of context

****,

I have to answer Dave's post.

Dave, Your story just about answers my opinion in the affirmative.

I would with out a doubt want your brother-in-law. They looked after the
product First. The product that the market wanted. Rather like Henry
Ford or Hersey. If you go back and read my post, I said; "Looked after
Both"

That is what your brother-in-law has done. By looking at the market AND
his product he made a lot of money. He/they were looking to sell Stock.
They were looking to sell product.

Thank you for the story. A very good example of what I was saying.

:^) As a lawyer, I thought you were taught to not ask a question if you
weren't sure of the answer (G)

Ole Thom-----end of discussion

Ole Thom,

It amazes me how somebody as ancient as you are has failed
to learn how the world works. Maybe it's all the alcohol that
clouds a once-productive brain? Or, could it be the onset
of senility?

You make the absurd statement that outsourcing is occurring
because of management greed. Duh! Check out management
salaries sometimes. They get paid what they are worth and
they are worth every penny of it. Companies are not forced
to pay high salaries to managers. Companies pay high salaries
to managers because they are worth the investment. Just like
football players make huge salaries because they are worth
every penny of it. The overhead that management represents
to a company is small, indeed, compared to bloated and
unrealistic union worker wage and benefit packages. The rank
and file, by virtue of their far greater numbers, account for
the lion's share of the total labor costs.

That you parrot the liberal "greedy management" saw indicates
to me that you are a liberal and too stupid to know it. That's
sad. I hope you read Bob Crantz point about greedy workers.
Funny how myopic some folks thinking is.

Bwahahhahahahahhahahahahah! You are so naive - so stupid!
Ole Thom = Mr. Magoo.

You conveniently forget that a company, in order to survive,
must operate at a profit and this profit must be higher than
monetary investments in stocks and bonds or else the company
may as well go out of business, sell its assets and invest in
stocks and bonds of profitable companies. (i.e. non-union
companies)

Like Bob Crantz so truthfully pointed out in another post
the profit margins of most companies are not as extravagant
as you liberals seem to imagine. There are a few examples
such as Microsoft where unions are not allowed and they
are rousing success stories. But, on the other hand, some companies
run in the red, year after year, and only manage to have a banner
year from time to time or they would have gone bankrupt years ago.
The airline industry has many examples of this sad state of affairs.

The airline industry is also a good example of how labor unions
have destroyed their own niche. Their way-too-high costs for
salaries, benefit package and retirement package makes established
companies such as American and United non-competitive with
upstart airlines that have none of the above, union related expense.
Get rid of unions, allow free-market economics to take control
and we would have pilots making what they are worth, mechanics
making what they are worth, flight attendants making what they
are worth etc. We would have profitable airlines and cheaper
fares.

It is clearly and undeniably the union worker's greed and failure
to understand that his recompense must be indexed to supply and
demand that has caused the outsourcing. Labor unions are anathema
to free-market economics as is any other socialist system.

When a company looks at labor costs here because of union
worker greed and unrealistic expectations and entitlement
mentality they rightly throw up their hands and say, "That dog
won't hunt!" So, they open a factory overseas or they outsource.
Who, in his right mind, other than someone with an entitlement
mentality could blame them. After all, they are not charities.
They cannot compete in a world economy carrying on their backs
greedy and lazy union workers and the carbuncle of the corrupt
union bureaucrats.

Try to remember that, in a capitalist country, businesses are not
welfare agencies. You liberals, with your union worker entitlement
mentality, are the direct cause of outsourcing. It is ironic that
you liberals holler so loudly about something that is your own
doing. It demonstrates to all open-minded people how bereft of
logic and intelligence you fools are. Outsourcing demonstrates
that, try as you might, you cannot force companies to give you
a free ride.

Grow up! Learn a little about free-market economics. Oh, before
you get much blinder, may I suggest you read "Atlas Shrugged"
by Ayn Rand. That tome will show you the light. Don't allow
yourself to become one day older without taking steps to
educate yourself as to your utter folly. You have been
indoctrinated into the liberal party line to such an extent that
you blindly parrot their propaganda. Shame on you!

No wonder you hardly sail anymore. You're too dumb to
realize which way the wind blows.

The validity of my original treatise stands. Your feeble
attempt proving otherwise, notwithstanding.


CN


"Thom Stewart" squatted and squeezed out the following:

Neal,

Bluntly; "You're full of ****!"

This is sent to you from a non-union person; ME. I was transferred to
the NW because of my feeling for a Non-union environment. We started and
ran a non-union Refinery. ARCO

You have to be out of your "Cotton Picking Mind" to think that the
Outsourcing of our Industry is happening to escape "Greed". It is being
driven by Greed. The mentality of "Higher Profits", that is the Greed.
If you can't see that, then you are one of those people "Blind because
you refuse to See!"

Be sure that you will see unions blossoming where this greed is taking
place. Management Greed is the seed of unionism. The is what they feed
on. As they feed and grow, corruption happens.

Ole Thom

Now, THAT"S funny!


"Scout" made sucking sounds:

Thom,
you are living proof that with age, comes wisdom!
Scout

Ole Thom has periods of lucidity. His reply to your post was not one of them.

CN


"Dave" wrote in message ...
Thom,

Sorry, but I'm totally confused by your answer. What does a brother-in-law
have to do with it? The story was about my father-in-law and his brothers.
And nobody was involved in selling stock. These were private businesses. As
a result, I can't make head nor tale of your message.



On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:20:22 -0800, (Thom Stewart) said:

Dave, Your story just about answers my opinion in the affirmative.

I would with out a doubt want your brother-in-law. They looked after the
product First. The product that the market wanted. Rather like Henry
Ford or Hersey. If you go back and read my post, I said; "Looked after
Both"

That is what your brother-in-law has done. By looking at the market AND
his product he made a lot of money. He/they were looking to sell Stock.
They were looking to sell product.

Thank you for the story. A very good example of what I was saying.

:^) As a lawyer, I thought you were taught to not ask a question if you
weren't sure of the answer (G)

Ole Thom-----end of discussion

Dave, how much do you charge for an hour of your expertise?

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:07:17 -0800, (Thom Stewart) said:

They want to sell to the better
paid people in this country, without having to pay the wages within that
market place.

Whereas those on the other side of the fence want all of us to have a
lower
standard of living so they can get a bigger slice of the pie, even if it's
a
smaller pie.

Capt. Neal=AE wrote:
Ole Thom,


My mast is Union made.

Its ok, but most likely cost to much.

Should I paint it?

Joe
changing the subject














It amazes me how somebody as ancient as you are has failed
to learn how the world works. Maybe it's all the alcohol that
clouds a once-productive brain? Or, could it be the onset
of senility?

You make the absurd statement that outsourcing is occurring
because of management greed. Duh! Check out management
salaries sometimes. They get paid what they are worth and
they are worth every penny of it. Companies are not forced
to pay high salaries to managers. Companies pay high salaries
to managers because they are worth the investment. Just like
football players make huge salaries because they are worth
every penny of it. The overhead that management represents
to a company is small, indeed, compared to bloated and
unrealistic union worker wage and benefit packages. The rank
and file, by virtue of their far greater numbers, account for
the lion's share of the total labor costs.

That you parrot the liberal "greedy management" saw indicates
to me that you are a liberal and too stupid to know it. That's
sad. I hope you read Bob Crantz point about greedy workers.
Funny how myopic some folks thinking is.

Bwahahhahahahahhahahahahah! You are so naive - so stupid!
Ole Thom =3D Mr. Magoo.

You conveniently forget that a company, in order to survive,
must operate at a profit and this profit must be higher than
monetary investments in stocks and bonds or else the company
may as well go out of business, sell its assets and invest in
stocks and bonds of profitable companies. (i.e. non-union
companies)

Like Bob Crantz so truthfully pointed out in another post
the profit margins of most companies are not as extravagant
as you liberals seem to imagine. There are a few examples
such as Microsoft where unions are not allowed and they
are rousing success stories. But, on the other hand, some companies
run in the red, year after year, and only manage to have a banner
year from time to time or they would have gone bankrupt years ago.
The airline industry has many examples of this sad state of affairs.

The airline industry is also a good example of how labor unions
have destroyed their own niche. Their way-too-high costs for
salaries, benefit package and retirement package makes established
companies such as American and United non-competitive with
upstart airlines that have none of the above, union related expense.
Get rid of unions, allow free-market economics to take control
and we would have pilots making what they are worth, mechanics
making what they are worth, flight attendants making what they
are worth etc. We would have profitable airlines and cheaper
fares.

It is clearly and undeniably the union worker's greed and failure
to understand that his recompense must be indexed to supply and
demand that has caused the outsourcing. Labor unions are anathema
to free-market economics as is any other socialist system.

When a company looks at labor costs here because of union
worker greed and unrealistic expectations and entitlement
mentality they rightly throw up their hands and say, "That dog
won't hunt!" So, they open a factory overseas or they outsource.
Who, in his right mind, other than someone with an entitlement
mentality could blame them. After all, they are not charities.
They cannot compete in a world economy carrying on their backs
greedy and lazy union workers and the carbuncle of the corrupt
union bureaucrats.

Try to remember that, in a capitalist country, businesses are not
welfare agencies. You liberals, with your union worker entitlement
mentality, are the direct cause of outsourcing. It is ironic that
you liberals holler so loudly about something that is your own
doing. It demonstrates to all open-minded people how bereft of
logic and intelligence you fools are. Outsourcing demonstrates
that, try as you might, you cannot force companies to give you
a free ride.

Grow up! Learn a little about free-market economics. Oh, before
you get much blinder, may I suggest you read "Atlas Shrugged"
by Ayn Rand. That tome will show you the light. Don't allow
yourself to become one day older without taking steps to
educate yourself as to your utter folly. You have been
indoctrinated into the liberal party line to such an extent that
you blindly parrot their propaganda. Shame on you!

No wonder you hardly sail anymore. You're too dumb to
realize which way the wind blows.

The validity of my original treatise stands. Your feeble
attempt proving otherwise, notwithstanding.


CN


"Thom Stewart" squatted and squeezed out the
following:

Neal,

Bluntly; "You're full of ****!"

This is sent to you from a non-union person; ME. I was transferred
to
the NW because of my feeling for a Non-union environment. We
started and
ran a non-union Refinery. ARCO

You have to be out of your "Cotton Picking Mind" to think that the
Outsourcing of our Industry is happening to escape "Greed". It is
being
driven by Greed. The mentality of "Higher Profits", that is the
Greed.
If you can't see that, then you are one of those people "Blind
because
you refuse to See!"

Be sure that you will see unions blossoming where this greed is
taking
place. Management Greed is the seed of unionism. The is what they
feed
on. As they feed and grow, corruption happens.
=20
Ole Thom

"Bob Crantz" wrote
Thom,
Help me with my myopia. Apply what you have said to this case: Microsoft.
Bill Gates is the richest man in the world. He's the CEO of Microsoft.

1. Does a union exist at Microsoft?
2. How many employees of Microsoft have become millionaires thanks to
Microsoft?
3. How many layoffs has Microsoft had?
4. How many jobs have Microsoft moved offshore?
5. How many people have become millionaires owning Microsoft stock?
6. Point out 3 examples of greed at Microsoft.

Despite their non-union philosophy, Microsoft plans to step up their
outsourcing efforts, leaving hundreds, perhaps thousands of non-union
American workers jobless within the next year. Microsoft still plans to sell
to Americans who've managed to keep a job, but would like low paid Indians
to replace spoiled non-union American workers.
http://asia.cnet.com/news/systems/0,...9139020,00.htm
Scout

Alwgrip, is it best on the Mast or will any oil base paint be OK?

Thanks

Joe

"Capt. Neal®" wrote
"Scout" made sucking sounds:

The sucking sound is not coming from me neal.
Perhaps it's just your colon recharging for yet another brilliant post by
CN.
Scout

My windscreen wipers are like new Donal, Even have a manual over ride.
My 120 hp Ford english Bowman conversion purrrs like a litten and run
as cool as a a glass of Lousiana Ice Tea.

However my mast has never been painted. I wonder if it's worth the
effort seeing mast after mast in the yard having thousands and
thousand's of dollars spent having them painted.

What is your opinion on painting the mast? Is your bent-A-toe's mast
painted?

Joe

Wal Mart has Rustoleum spray bombs on sale. lots of colors to choose
from.

SBV

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Alwgrip, is it best on the Mast or will any oil base paint be OK?

Thanks

Joe

..........

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
My windscreen wipers are like new Donal, Even have a manual over ride.
My 120 hp Ford english Bowman conversion purrrs like a litten and run
as cool as a a glass of Lousiana Ice Tea.

However my mast has never been painted. I wonder if it's worth the
effort seeing mast after mast in the yard having thousands and
thousand's of dollars spent having them painted.

What is your opinion on painting the mast? Is your bent-A-toe's mast
painted?

My opinion is quite simple..... If it has windscreen wipers ... then it
isn't a sailboat.

Your sailing experience won't be affected at all by the paint on your mast.
In fact, I think the you would go faster if you got rid of the mast.

Regards


Donal
--

So you are saying Microsoft hasn't offshored any jobs yet.


"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Bob Crantz" wrote
Thom,
Help me with my myopia. Apply what you have said to this case:
Microsoft.
Bill Gates is the richest man in the world. He's the CEO of Microsoft.

1. Does a union exist at Microsoft?
2. How many employees of Microsoft have become millionaires thanks to
Microsoft?
3. How many layoffs has Microsoft had?
4. How many jobs have Microsoft moved offshore?
5. How many people have become millionaires owning Microsoft stock?
6. Point out 3 examples of greed at Microsoft.

Despite their non-union philosophy, Microsoft plans to step up their
outsourcing efforts, leaving hundreds, perhaps thousands of non-union
American workers jobless within the next year. Microsoft still plans to
sell
to Americans who've managed to keep a job, but would like low paid Indians
to replace spoiled non-union American workers.
http://asia.cnet.com/news/systems/0,...9139020,00.htm
Scout

Donal wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
My windscreen wipers are like new Donal, Even have a manual over
ride.
My 120 hp Ford english Bowman conversion purrrs like a litten and
run
as cool as a a glass of Lousiana Ice Tea.

However my mast has never been painted. I wonder if it's worth the
effort seeing mast after mast in the yard having thousands and
thousand's of dollars spent having them painted.

What is your opinion on painting the mast? Is your bent-A-toe's
mast
painted?

My opinion is quite simple..... If it has windscreen wipers ...
then it
isn't a sailboat.

Thats because your experience is limitd to cheap production boats.

Your sailing experience won't be affected at all by the paint on your
mast.


And your boat won't be affect by quality.


In fact, I think the you would go faster if you got rid of the mast.

Its about maintaining hull speed at all times unless I prefer to move
slower. Don't be so jelious Donal.

Joe



Regards


Donal
--

Pure brilliance!


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...


Ole Thom,

It amazes me how somebody as ancient as you are has failed
to learn how the world works. Maybe it's all the alcohol that
clouds a once-productive brain? Or, could it be the onset
of senility?

You make the absurd statement that outsourcing is occurring
because of management greed. Duh! Check out management
salaries sometimes. They get paid what they are worth and
they are worth every penny of it. Companies are not forced
to pay high salaries to managers. Companies pay high salaries
to managers because they are worth the investment. Just like
football players make huge salaries because they are worth
every penny of it. The overhead that management represents
to a company is small, indeed, compared to bloated and
unrealistic union worker wage and benefit packages. The rank
and file, by virtue of their far greater numbers, account for
the lion's share of the total labor costs.

That you parrot the liberal "greedy management" saw indicates
to me that you are a liberal and too stupid to know it. That's
sad. I hope you read Bob Crantz point about greedy workers.
Funny how myopic some folks thinking is.

Bwahahhahahahahhahahahahah! You are so naive - so stupid!
Ole Thom = Mr. Magoo.

You conveniently forget that a company, in order to survive,
must operate at a profit and this profit must be higher than
monetary investments in stocks and bonds or else the company
may as well go out of business, sell its assets and invest in
stocks and bonds of profitable companies. (i.e. non-union
companies)

Like Bob Crantz so truthfully pointed out in another post
the profit margins of most companies are not as extravagant
as you liberals seem to imagine. There are a few examples
such as Microsoft where unions are not allowed and they
are rousing success stories. But, on the other hand, some companies
run in the red, year after year, and only manage to have a banner
year from time to time or they would have gone bankrupt years ago.
The airline industry has many examples of this sad state of affairs.

The airline industry is also a good example of how labor unions
have destroyed their own niche. Their way-too-high costs for
salaries, benefit package and retirement package makes established
companies such as American and United non-competitive with
upstart airlines that have none of the above, union related expense.
Get rid of unions, allow free-market economics to take control
and we would have pilots making what they are worth, mechanics
making what they are worth, flight attendants making what they
are worth etc. We would have profitable airlines and cheaper
fares.

It is clearly and undeniably the union worker's greed and failure
to understand that his recompense must be indexed to supply and
demand that has caused the outsourcing. Labor unions are anathema
to free-market economics as is any other socialist system.

When a company looks at labor costs here because of union
worker greed and unrealistic expectations and entitlement
mentality they rightly throw up their hands and say, "That dog
won't hunt!" So, they open a factory overseas or they outsource.
Who, in his right mind, other than someone with an entitlement
mentality could blame them. After all, they are not charities.
They cannot compete in a world economy carrying on their backs
greedy and lazy union workers and the carbuncle of the corrupt
union bureaucrats.

Try to remember that, in a capitalist country, businesses are not
welfare agencies. You liberals, with your union worker entitlement
mentality, are the direct cause of outsourcing. It is ironic that
you liberals holler so loudly about something that is your own
doing. It demonstrates to all open-minded people how bereft of
logic and intelligence you fools are. Outsourcing demonstrates
that, try as you might, you cannot force companies to give you
a free ride.

Grow up! Learn a little about free-market economics. Oh, before
you get much blinder, may I suggest you read "Atlas Shrugged"
by Ayn Rand. That tome will show you the light. Don't allow
yourself to become one day older without taking steps to
educate yourself as to your utter folly. You have been
indoctrinated into the liberal party line to such an extent that
you blindly parrot their propaganda. Shame on you!

No wonder you hardly sail anymore. You're too dumb to
realize which way the wind blows.

The validity of my original treatise stands. Your feeble
attempt proving otherwise, notwithstanding.


CN


"Thom Stewart" squatted and squeezed out the
following:

Neal,

Bluntly; "You're full of ****!"

This is sent to you from a non-union person; ME. I was transferred to
the NW because of my feeling for a Non-union environment. We started and
ran a non-union Refinery. ARCO

You have to be out of your "Cotton Picking Mind" to think that the
Outsourcing of our Industry is happening to escape "Greed". It is being
driven by Greed. The mentality of "Higher Profits", that is the Greed.
If you can't see that, then you are one of those people "Blind because
you refuse to See!"

Be sure that you will see unions blossoming where this greed is taking
place. Management Greed is the seed of unionism. The is what they feed
on. As they feed and grow, corruption happens.

Ole Thom

Micro Soft,

You mean that outfit that had to pay damages in the States and Europe
and Asia for monopolist behavior. Your Myopia is showing badly. You
can't see Bill Gates Greed?

Don't ask me to defend Unions. I won't!! I don't like them. The second
line of my post; The line right after I say; "you're full of ****!" The
line that identifies ME as a NON-UNION PERSON. You can read it in the
attachment.

Your Myopia is worst that I thought. Your Field of vision is truly
affected. You don't even see what is plainly written correctly

:^) You've responded as Bob Crantz to a post written to Neal (LOL) Looks
like the Mind is going along with the Eyes

A truly sad day for ASA. I hope you have two little steel ball to roll
around in your hand. This isn't a mutiny Capt', you are sinking yourself

Ole Thom

Neal,

Just how much was the CEO of ENRON worth to this world we live in.
Would you like to explain M. Stewart's
jail time. How about World Com CEO?

Dave,

You can substitue you Father-in-Law's Brothers for Brothers-in-Law if
you want.
However, I believe you have the full meaning correctly. I won't try to
make it any clearer

Guys, as sailors, you've been caught "****ing into the Wind" You know
you should go on the Lee side:^)

I've had my say and its true. I don't have to defend it and I won't.

Ole Thom