Yeah,

That was rather like the 13% Jenny

Ole Thom

Yeah Joe,

If it was made in England it should be removed. The surface properly
prepare and sprayed with Ducco Enamel.

By the way, are you only going to paint ONE mast? Which one, the Main or
the mizzen?

Ole Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage

They want to sell to the better
paid people in this country, without having to pay the wages within that
market place.


Dave wrote:
Whereas those on the other side of the fence want all of us to have a lower
standard of living so they can get a bigger slice of the pie, even if it's a
smaller pie.


???

What planet is this happening on?

DSK

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Micro Soft,

You mean that outfit that had to pay damages in the States and Europe
and Asia for monopolist behavior. Your Myopia is showing badly. You
can't see Bill Gates Greed?

Try payoffs to get the government off their backs. Microsoft has no
monopoly. Gates is not greedy. He earned all his money. It's greedy people
like you that want to take it away. No one forces you to buy Microsoft
products.



Don't ask me to defend Unions. I won't!! I don't like them. The second
line of my post; The line right after I say; "you're full of ****!" The
line that identifies ME as a NON-UNION PERSON. You can read it in the
attachment.

Your Myopia is worst that I thought. Your Field of vision is truly
affected. You don't even see what is plainly written correctly

Have another drink and chill. Eat some corn muffins. Make sure your
underwear isn't on backwards.



:^) You've responded as Bob Crantz to a post written to Neal (LOL) Looks
like the Mind is going along with the Eyes

I'm Bob Crantz. Soldier of the Lord. Amen!


A truly sad day for ASA. I hope you have two little steel ball to roll
around in your hand. This isn't a mutiny Capt', you are sinking yourself

The steel balls in my hand are much better than the sawdust in your head.

Amen!

God Bless Laissez Faire Capitalism!

God Bless the Constitution!

God Bless Captain Neal!

God Bless Jefferson Davis!

God Bless Ronald Reagan and remember the day he fired all the Unionized Air
Traffic Controllers!

God Bless Gerald Ford for pardoning Nixon!

God Bless Barry Goldwater for wanting to use low yield atomic weapons in
VietNam to clear the brush so he could get at the Communists!

God Bless George Corley Wallace!

God Bless Curtis LeMay!

God Bless Wendell Willkie!

God Bless Thomas E. Dewey!

God Bless Al Capone!

God Bless Davie Crockett!

God Bless Archie Bunker!

God Bless America!!!

Bob Crantz, Amen!


Ole Thom

"Bob Crantz" wrote
Help me with my myopia. Apply what you have said to this case: Microsoft.
Bill Gates is the richest man in the world. He's the CEO of Microsoft.

1. Does a union exist at Microsoft?

No, but could they really make a worse product if there was?

2. How many employees of Microsoft have become millionaires thanks to
Microsoft?

Lots and lots... due to a bizarre fluke of stock market history and a
large amount of corporate steamrollering

3. How many layoffs has Microsoft had?

Lots, actually.

4. How many jobs have Microsoft moved offshore?

Lots, actually (see #3 above)

5. How many people have become millionaires owning Microsoft stock?

Probably fewer than #2 above.

6. Point out 3 examples of greed at Microsoft.

You mean other than every program they've ever released without
appropriate debugging?

How about Gate's threats to bury several of his competitors? How about
his strong-arming every computer mf'r and/or vendor? How about his
attempts to eliminate function based industry standards and replace them
with arbitrary Bill-based standards? I could go on, but there are
probably several pro-MS types out there who are already mad enough at me...

Scout wrote:
Despite their non-union philosophy, Microsoft plans to step up their
outsourcing efforts, leaving hundreds, perhaps thousands of non-union
American workers jobless within the next year.

AFAIK they've already replaced lots of employees with "contractors" who
get about 1/2 the pay, that was the policy of the '90s. Now they are
trying to hype their corporate neighborliness while quietly moving as
much as possible of their operation to 3rd world countries where people
work for pennies.

DSK

Microsoft??? Bravo Doug,

The whoever posted MS as an example sure makes themselves look about as
stupid as they possible can.

MS millionaires? I think there were more Labor Boss that achieved that
status. Both very good examples a GREED!!

Oh Well, enough!!!
Ole Thom

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
"Bob Crantz" wrote
Help me with my myopia. Apply what you have said to this case:
Microsoft.
Bill Gates is the richest man in the world. He's the CEO of Microsoft.

1. Does a union exist at Microsoft?

No, but could they really make a worse product if there was?

Software does crash a fair amount, most noticeably third party software in a
windows environment.



2. How many employees of Microsoft have become millionaires thanks to
Microsoft?

Lots and lots... due to a bizarre fluke of stock market history and a
large amount of corporate steamrollering

3. How many layoffs has Microsoft had?

Lots, actually.

Ballpark number? 1,000 10,000? 100,000?



4. How many jobs have Microsoft moved offshore?

Lots, actually (see #3 above)

Let's see a few references. Not jobs created offshore, but actual jobs moved
away.


5. How many people have become millionaires owning Microsoft stock?

Probably fewer than #2 above.

If the employees of microsoft became millionaires by stock option and
others, not working for microsoft also became millionaires by owning stock,
then wouldn't this number be greater than the people in #2?


6. Point out 3 examples of greed at Microsoft.

You mean other than every program they've ever released without
appropriate debugging?

Is greed really delivering a product that doesn't work in every environment?


GREED: "a selfish desire for more than one needs or deserves." Who
determines what Bill Gates needs or deserves? You or Bill Gates? I view
greed as desire for the unearned. Gates earned every penny. No one was
coerced into buying his product. Apple exists and sells computers with
operating systems.

Amen!



How about Gate's threats to bury several of his competitors? How about
his strong-arming every computer mf'r and/or vendor? How about his
attempts to eliminate function based industry standards and replace them
with arbitrary Bill-based standards? I could go on, but there are
probably several pro-MS types out there who are already mad enough at
me...

His competitors are also out to bury him. A large number of companies have
created industry standards. Just because we call paper tissues Kleenex is
that because the people at Kleenex were greedy?



Scout wrote:
Despite their non-union philosophy, Microsoft plans to step up their
outsourcing efforts, leaving hundreds, perhaps thousands of non-union
American workers jobless within the next year.

AFAIK they've already replaced lots of employees with "contractors" who
get about 1/2 the pay, that was the policy of the '90s. Now they are
trying to hype their corporate neighborliness while quietly moving as
much as possible of their operation to 3rd world countries where people
work for pennies.

DSK

You forgot "Alfe Landon" Damn Kids can't remember anything.




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage

What! You don't believe Lou Dobbs?
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
link.net...
So you are saying Microsoft hasn't offshored any jobs yet.


"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Bob Crantz" wrote
Thom,
Help me with my myopia. Apply what you have said to this case:
Microsoft.
Bill Gates is the richest man in the world. He's the CEO of Microsoft.

1. Does a union exist at Microsoft?
2. How many employees of Microsoft have become millionaires thanks to
Microsoft?
3. How many layoffs has Microsoft had?
4. How many jobs have Microsoft moved offshore?
5. How many people have become millionaires owning Microsoft stock?
6. Point out 3 examples of greed at Microsoft.

Despite their non-union philosophy, Microsoft plans to step up their
outsourcing efforts, leaving hundreds, perhaps thousands of non-union
American workers jobless within the next year. Microsoft still plans to
sell
to Americans who've managed to keep a job, but would like low paid
Indians
to replace spoiled non-union American workers.
http://asia.cnet.com/news/systems/0,...9139020,00.htm
Scout

I knew a girl in college who liked painting the mast with chocolate.
Scout

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Alwgrip, is it best on the Mast or will any oil base paint be OK?

Thanks

Joe

Wouldn't that melt off in the Summer?

SV

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I knew a girl in college who liked painting the mast with chocolate.
Scout

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Alwgrip, is it best on the Mast or will any oil base paint be OK?

Thanks

Joe

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:29:55 -0500, DSK wrote
this crap:


AFAIK they've already replaced lots of employees with "contractors" who
get about 1/2 the pay, that was the policy of the '90s. Now they are
trying to hype their corporate neighborliness while quietly moving as
much as possible of their operation to 3rd world countries where people
work for pennies.

DSK


You are a blatent liar. While Microsoft is moving some operations to
India, (hardly a 3rd world country), they are hardly moving "as much
as possible."


http://asia.cnet.com/news/systems/0,...9139020,00.htm



According to U.S. daily Seattle Times, the Redmond, Wash.-based
software giant is relocating its customer support work in Texas and
North Carolina to India. The two centers, which handles e-mail and
phone queries on Microsoft software, currently employ about 800
workers each, said the report.



She added more details would be revealed after the company completes
the testing of its recently-opened support center in Bangalore.

A Reuters report said Microsoft plans to hire 150 people for this
pilot, but industry sources said the number could be increased to at
least 1,000 people in about two years if the trial proves successful.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

"Scout" wrote in message

I knew a girl in college who liked painting the mast with chocolate.

Wouldn't that melt off in the Summer?

I think that one went over your head, Scoot.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

"Scout" wrote in message

I knew a girl in college who liked painting the mast with chocolate.

Wouldn't that melt off in the Summer?

I think that one went over your head, Scoot.

Scotty is way to anal to appreciate the humour in that ......

CM

1. Does a union exist at Microsoft?

No, but could they really make a worse product if there was?


Bob Crantz wrote:
Software does crash a fair amount, most noticeably third party software in a
windows environment.


And why is that?
1- windows is poorly documented
2- windows is bloated with all sorts of code that is either holdover
from other versions, or unimplemented functions (they couldn't get it to
work but left it in)
3- windows has been deliberately programmed to crash certain competing
products

Let's try "all the above."



2. How many employees of Microsoft have become millionaires thanks to
Microsoft?

Lots and lots... due to a bizarre fluke of stock market history and a
large amount of corporate steamrollering


3. How many layoffs has Microsoft had?

Lots, actually.


Ballpark number? 1,000 10,000? 100,000?

How about this... more than 1,000 but not as manay as 100,000




4. How many jobs have Microsoft moved offshore?

Lots, actually (see #3 above)


Let's see a few references. Not jobs created offshore, but actual jobs moved
away.


Did you read my answers? All through the 1990s MS was moving employees
out the door under a program of replacing them with "contractors" (often
the same people working at the same desk) who of course got far less
money, benefits, etc etc.


5. How many people have become millionaires owning Microsoft stock?

Probably fewer than #2 above.


If the employees of microsoft became millionaires by stock option and
others, not working for microsoft also became millionaires by owning stock,
then wouldn't this number be greater than the people in #2?


That was not clearly explained. IMHO the number of non-MS-employees who
have become millionaires *solely thru MS stock* is less than the number
of MS employees who have become millionaires. MS was giving quite
generous options (ie stock at far less than market price) back in the
early days.


6. Point out 3 examples of greed at Microsoft.

You mean other than every program they've ever released without
appropriate debugging?


Is greed really delivering a product that doesn't work in every environment?


It is if that is the result of cutting development costs and then
charging full frieght for the product.


GREED: "a selfish desire for more than one needs or deserves." Who
determines what Bill Gates needs or deserves? You or Bill Gates? I view
greed as desire for the unearned. Gates earned every penny.

I disagree. Gates has made a number of very slimy business deals, broken
a number of laws, and coerced other businesses to do things his way, to
his advantage. I suppose that since no gunfire was involved, it can be
considered "earning" the money.

... No one was
coerced into buying his product.

That's where you're wrong. When you buy a PC you are buying a number of
Microsoft products, at a high price... and do you get any choice? Do you
get any support?

If Microsoft had to depend on people choosing Windows off a store shelf,
IMHO they'd be a footnote in computer history by now.

Regards
Doug King

I remember Alfe Landon. Good one.


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
You forgot "Alfe Landon" Damn Kids can't remember anything.




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage

Doug,

I agree with most of what you have said. Contractors are paid more per hour
than employees. For some people being a contractor is better than being an
employee.

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
1. Does a union exist at Microsoft?

No, but could they really make a worse product if there was?


Bob Crantz wrote:
Software does crash a fair amount, most noticeably third party software
in a
windows environment.


And why is that?
1- windows is poorly documented
2- windows is bloated with all sorts of code that is either holdover
from other versions, or unimplemented functions (they couldn't get it to
work but left it in)
3- windows has been deliberately programmed to crash certain competing
products

Let's try "all the above."



2. How many employees of Microsoft have become millionaires thanks to
Microsoft?

Lots and lots... due to a bizarre fluke of stock market history and a
large amount of corporate steamrollering


3. How many layoffs has Microsoft had?

Lots, actually.


Ballpark number? 1,000 10,000? 100,000?

How about this... more than 1,000 but not as manay as 100,000




4. How many jobs have Microsoft moved offshore?

Lots, actually (see #3 above)


Let's see a few references. Not jobs created offshore, but actual jobs
moved
away.


Did you read my answers? All through the 1990s MS was moving employees
out the door under a program of replacing them with "contractors" (often
the same people working at the same desk) who of course got far less
money, benefits, etc etc.


5. How many people have become millionaires owning Microsoft stock?

Probably fewer than #2 above.


If the employees of microsoft became millionaires by stock option and
others, not working for microsoft also became millionaires by owning
stock,
then wouldn't this number be greater than the people in #2?


That was not clearly explained. IMHO the number of non-MS-employees who
have become millionaires *solely thru MS stock* is less than the number
of MS employees who have become millionaires. MS was giving quite
generous options (ie stock at far less than market price) back in the
early days.


6. Point out 3 examples of greed at Microsoft.

You mean other than every program they've ever released without
appropriate debugging?


Is greed really delivering a product that doesn't work in every
environment?


It is if that is the result of cutting development costs and then
charging full frieght for the product.


GREED: "a selfish desire for more than one needs or deserves." Who
determines what Bill Gates needs or deserves? You or Bill Gates? I view
greed as desire for the unearned. Gates earned every penny.

I disagree. Gates has made a number of very slimy business deals, broken
a number of laws, and coerced other businesses to do things his way, to
his advantage. I suppose that since no gunfire was involved, it can be
considered "earning" the money.

... No one was
coerced into buying his product.

That's where you're wrong. When you buy a PC you are buying a number of
Microsoft products, at a high price... and do you get any choice? Do you
get any support?

If Microsoft had to depend on people choosing Windows off a store shelf,
IMHO they'd be a footnote in computer history by now.

Regards
Doug King

Bob Crantz wrote:
I remember Alfe Landon. Good one.


Good grief, you must be older than Thom!

DSK

Bob Crantz wrote:
Doug,

I agree with most of what you have said.

There is some virtue in fact... not much, most of the time, but some ;)

... Contractors are paid more per hour
than employees.

Not always. If this is the case, the difference is usually made up in
loss of benefits.

... For some people being a contractor is better than being an
employee.


Agreed.

The picture has changed and people's attitudes are catching up. 15 years
ago, if you said to 10,000 workers "would you rather make $10/hr with
benefits or $14/hr with no benefits" they would all have taken more
money. Nowadays the benefit package would sway more, possibly a majority.

IMHO (cynic that I am) the economy is better off handing more dollars to
workers to run out & spend at their own discretion. Let the
profit-raking insurance companies & "risk management consultants" etc
etc compete by offering services directly, "off the shelf" and only to
those who really need it! The money that I gave up last year to pay for
other people's health care could have bought my wife & myself a *very*
nice boat... not an Oyster, mind you... but I shouldn't complain, we
already have a really nice boat...

Regards
Doug King

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:18:11 GMT, "Scout" said:

Despite their non-union philosophy, Microsoft plans to step up their
outsourcing efforts, leaving hundreds, perhaps thousands of non-union
American workers jobless within the next year. Microsoft still plans to
sell
to Americans who've managed to keep a job, but would like low paid Indians
to replace spoiled non-union American workers.

IOW, they're behaving in a completely rational manner to economic forces.

Yes, it's called selling out.
Scout

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

"Scout" wrote in message

I knew a girl in college who liked painting the mast with
chocolate.

Wouldn't that melt off in the Summer?

I think that one went over your head, Scoot.

Scotty is way to anal to appreciate the humour in that ......


Jon?

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

"Scout" wrote in message

I knew a girl in college who liked painting the mast with
chocolate.

Wouldn't that melt off in the Summer?

I think that one went over your head, Scoot.


Most masts do.

SV

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

"Scout" wrote in message

I knew a girl in college who liked painting the mast with
chocolate.

Wouldn't that melt off in the Summer?

I think that one went over your head, Scoot.

Scotty is way to anal to appreciate the humour in that ......


Jon?

Yeah.. Jon would understand it.... he's probably an expert in application.

CM

In article wyK_d.46003$ZO2.22559@edtnps84,
Capt. Mooron wrote:

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

"Scout" wrote in message

I knew a girl in college who liked painting the mast with
chocolate.

Wouldn't that melt off in the Summer?

I think that one went over your head, Scoot.

Scotty is way to anal to appreciate the humour in that ......


Jon?

Yeah.. Jon would understand it.... he's probably an expert in application.

CM




Scotti and Lonny are clearly the experts. And, you're a girly man.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Scotti and Lonny are clearly the experts. And, you're a girly man.

Oh You Brute!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa......

Gaynzy.. you're such a HOMO!

CM

In article QOK_d.46013$ZO2.26731@edtnps84,
Capt. Mooron wrote:

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Scotti and Lonny are clearly the experts. And, you're a girly man.

Oh You Brute!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa......


Yup.. you're a girly man.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Scout;

Its called selling out in the name of GREED!!

I've begun praying for a Global Nationalization as happened under Nasser
& Castro ever since I've seen the stupid comments in this thread.

Normal economic conditions my ASS.

Ole Thom

"Joe" wrote in message
ups.com...
Its about maintaining hull speed at all times unless I prefer to move
slower.

Nonsense! It's about getting the most out of the wind.

Your attitude clearly demonstrates that you are a powerboater at heart.



Regards


Donal
--

Dave.

Rational manner; Economic force; they sure sound like tags to me.
Sounds and awful lot like trying to explain something away without using
real values or truly known accepted practises.

Look to thyself before casting blame!

Ole Thom

Selling out is a choice, not a name tag Dave. Selling out helps a few
Americans get rich quick, and it hurts lots of Americans who lose jobs. But
hey, it's legal, right? Of course, that doesn't make it right, which is why
so many Americans have a real distaste for the law and those who enforce and
manipulate it for profit.


"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 23:23:29 GMT, "Scout" said:

IOW, they're behaving in a completely rational manner to economic
forces.

Yes, it's called selling out.
Scout

Trying to hang a name tag on something is a poor substitute for rational
discussion.

Balderdash...

It's all about harnessing energy and applying it to my goals upon the
seas.

Your attitude clearly shows your a lubber....a weekend warrior at
best.

Best Regards,

Joe

maybe a haze gray camo, or a bizzare pattern thats a great ideal
Scotty!

Joe

True. But in the cold months it might work as a more mutually satisfying
form of Viagra.
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Wouldn't that melt off in the Summer?

SV

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I knew a girl in college who liked painting the mast with chocolate.
Scout

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Alwgrip, is it best on the Mast or will any oil base paint be OK?

Thanks

Joe

Watch out Scout... Dave is about to plonk you.... the horrors, the horrors.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:13:58 GMT, "Scout" said:

Selling out is a choice, not a name tag Dave. Selling out helps a few
Americans get rich quick, and it hurts lots of Americans who lose jobs.
But
hey, it's legal, right? Of course, that doesn't make it right, which is
why
so many Americans have a real distaste for the law and those who enforce
and
manipulate it for profit.

Sigh...such simple-minded nonsense. Unfortunately, you appear to be
uneducable.

yeah, he gets worked up easily.
Scout

"JG" wrote in message
...
Watch out Scout... Dave is about to plonk you.... the horrors, the
horrors.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:13:58 GMT, "Scout" said:

Selling out is a choice, not a name tag Dave. Selling out helps a few
Americans get rich quick, and it hurts lots of Americans who lose jobs.
But
hey, it's legal, right? Of course, that doesn't make it right, which is
why
so many Americans have a real distaste for the law and those who enforce
and
manipulate it for profit.

Sigh...such simple-minded nonsense. Unfortunately, you appear to be
uneducable.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:13:58 GMT, "Scout" said:

Selling out is a choice, not a name tag Dave. Selling out helps a few
Americans get rich quick, and it hurts lots of Americans who lose jobs.
But
hey, it's legal, right? Of course, that doesn't make it right, which is
why
so many Americans have a real distaste for the law and those who enforce
and
manipulate it for profit.

Sigh...such simple-minded nonsense. Unfortunately, you appear to be
uneducable.

Perhaps you're right Dave.Still, I'm sure you feel lawyers and real estate
salespeople are worth every penny they can squeeze out of the sheep. And
screw the working people, right? Don't get me wrong though, it's not
because you're a lawyer that I feel you are what's wrong with America.
Scout

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Balderdash...

It's all about harnessing energy and applying it to my goals upon the
seas.

Any idiot can harness the the energy of petroleum products.


Your attitude clearly shows your a lubber....a weekend warrior at
best.

Yeah ... this weekend I went sailing.

Regards


Donal
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