Marijuana industry booming in Canada
 

Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor unions in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be outlawed.

Amen!

Holy smokes!

Bob Crantz


"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp.../ts_csm/odrugs
TORONTO - On the street it's called Northern Lights, Ontario Hydro, and
B.C. bud. It's one of Canada's biggest agricultural exports - a potent
form
of marijuana cultivated in sprawling "grow houses," worth an estimated
US$4
billion to $7 billion annually. Much of it is smuggled into the US.

Once hidden in farming communities and well-heeled suburbs, grow
operations - indoor nurseries with high-tech lighting and temperature
controls - have been thrust into the national spotlight. Thursday Canada
buried four young Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers who were killed
during a bust in rural Alberta March 3.


The Alberta grow house was just one of thousands across Canada. Here in
Ontario, police say indoor pot operations have risen 250 percent in the
past
four years. And Vancouver is home to some 7,000 "grow ops" at any time,
police say.


The tragedy - the deadliest incident for Canada's national police force in
120 years - has ignited debate as Canadians begin to question whether
liberal attitudes toward marijuana and lenient laws enacted over the past
two decades have contributed to the drug boom.


"It's really got people talking about the problem," says Marc Pinault,
staff
sergeant with the Ottawa Police Service's drug unit. "It's pretty clear
that
we produce a pile of pot, and it's really good stuff. I don't know that
that's something we should be really proud of."


Drugs moving east
British Columbia has long been the hub of sophisticated, high-tech
nurseries
capable of producing pot with nearly 30 times the kick of what was found
on
the street a decade ago, according to the Drug Enforcement Agency.
Sergeant
Pinault says the increasing numbers of massive growing operations - once
largely the preserve of Asian gangs and bikers on the West Coast -
indicate
the problem is moving East into provinces like Ontario and Quebec.


Tom Stamatakis, a Vancouver police officer and a member of the Canadian
Professional Police Association, says criminals across the country are
modeling their operations after those found in and around Vancouver.


For example, he says, grow houses are increasingly found in upscale areas
of
the city as criminals ply their trade behind picket fences and a facade of
respectability. Inside, they're a hotbed of danger - rigged with booby
traps
to ward off intruders and noxious chemical compounds that pose serious
health threats.


But those aren't the only perils. DEA special agent Rodney Benson of
Seattle
says recent busts have also netted a pile of automatic weapons and
explosive
devices.


"We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson, who recently
oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called Operation Hockey Bag, in
which investigators charged 22 people and seized more than 400 lbs. of
marijuana, along with $3.4 million and a dozen firearms. "It's not just
weapons - it's what we're seeing from the organization. They rule and
intimidate from within."


RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence, trying to find
out what led to the killing of the four officers last week. The incident
began as an attempt to repossess a pickup truck but ballooned into a
larger
investigation after the marijuana growing operation was discovered. The
gunman, Jim Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a high-powered,
semiautomatic weapon on himself.


Canadian officials stress that it was an isolated act of extreme
violence -
and they hope to keep it that way. Many, like Mr. Stamatakis of Vancouver,
say that Canadian lawmakers are too lenient in meting out penalties for
those involved in growing operations contributing to the drug explosion.


"When even the outgoing prime minister [Jean Chrétien] makes a flippant
comment like, 'What's the big deal about marijuana? I've probably had a
few
puffs myself.' That sends the wrong message to the community and the
courts," Stamatakis says.


Softer laws for using, harder for selling
There has been a major push to decriminalize marijuana across the country
in
recent years. Canada was the first country to regulate its medicinal use,
in
1999. However, while the government has recently moved to introduce softer
penalties for possession, penalties for growers could get stiffer. A
marijuana bill, reintroduced in November, advocates that possession of up
to
15 grams would be punishable by fines of C$100 to C$150 ($85 to $125), but
would no longer lead to a criminal record.


For growers, those caught with more than three plants, face up to five
years
in jail, or 18 months plus a C$25,000 ($20,700) fine. Those caught with
more
than 25 plants could face 10 years in jail, while the bill provides a
maximum sentence of up to 14 years for operations with more than 50
plants.


Last week, Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan issued a warning in the
wake
of the shootings, telling judges that they will be forced to explain their
decisions in writing if jail terms are not imposed on those who grow
plants.
Under Canadian laws, criminals face a maximum seven-year jail term. In
practice, however, many people convicted of growing marijuana receive
sentences of little more than a few months, police say.


Criminologist Patrick Parnaby says the events of last week are likely to
lead to stiffer penalties. When something like narcotics is intimately
tied
to violence, there is going to be a powerful public backlash, says the
associate professor at the University of Guelph in Ontario. "Stricter laws
will make the public feel a whole lot better," he says.





But many users pushing for decriminalization couldn't disagree more. Blair
Longley, leader of the federal Marijuana Party, says legalization would
wipe
out criminal enterprises across the country.

"They've just used this [the Alberta shootings] as an excuse to crack down
and enforce outdated laws," says Mr. Longley. "In reality, liberalizing
the
laws would mean you would get rid of almost all the profits and,
therefore,
all the crime."

--



jlrogers±³©
Beaten by George W. Bush! Now that's funny!

Why don't they make up their frozen little minds? Lax the laws for
use, but increase penalties for growing? Either legalize it or don't!
WTF?

Scotty



"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...d=2352&e=3&u=/
csm/20050311/ts_csm/odrugs
TORONTO - On the street it's called Northern Lights, Ontario Hydro,
and
B.C. bud. It's one of Canada's biggest agricultural exports - a
potent form
of marijuana cultivated in sprawling "grow houses," worth an
estimated US$4
billion to $7 billion annually. Much of it is smuggled into the US.

Once hidden in farming communities and well-heeled suburbs, grow
operations - indoor nurseries with high-tech lighting and
temperature
controls - have been thrust into the national spotlight. Thursday
Canada
buried four young Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers who were
killed
during a bust in rural Alberta March 3.


The Alberta grow house was just one of thousands across Canada. Here
in
Ontario, police say indoor pot operations have risen 250 percent in
the past
four years. And Vancouver is home to some 7,000 "grow ops" at any
time,
police say.


The tragedy - the deadliest incident for Canada's national police
force in
120 years - has ignited debate as Canadians begin to question
whether
liberal attitudes toward marijuana and lenient laws enacted over the
past
two decades have contributed to the drug boom.


"It's really got people talking about the problem," says Marc
Pinault, staff
sergeant with the Ottawa Police Service's drug unit. "It's pretty
clear that
we produce a pile of pot, and it's really good stuff. I don't know
that
that's something we should be really proud of."


Drugs moving east
British Columbia has long been the hub of sophisticated, high-tech
nurseries
capable of producing pot with nearly 30 times the kick of what was
found on
the street a decade ago, according to the Drug Enforcement Agency.
Sergeant
Pinault says the increasing numbers of massive growing operations -
once
largely the preserve of Asian gangs and bikers on the West Coast -
indicate
the problem is moving East into provinces like Ontario and Quebec.


Tom Stamatakis, a Vancouver police officer and a member of the
Canadian
Professional Police Association, says criminals across the country
are
modeling their operations after those found in and around Vancouver.


For example, he says, grow houses are increasingly found in upscale
areas of
the city as criminals ply their trade behind picket fences and a
facade of
respectability. Inside, they're a hotbed of danger - rigged with
booby traps
to ward off intruders and noxious chemical compounds that pose
serious
health threats.


But those aren't the only perils. DEA special agent Rodney Benson of
Seattle
says recent busts have also netted a pile of automatic weapons and
explosive
devices.


"We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson, who
recently
oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called Operation Hockey
Bag, in
which investigators charged 22 people and seized more than 400 lbs.
of
marijuana, along with $3.4 million and a dozen firearms. "It's not
just
weapons - it's what we're seeing from the organization. They rule
and
intimidate from within."


RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence, trying to
find
out what led to the killing of the four officers last week. The
incident
began as an attempt to repossess a pickup truck but ballooned into a
larger
investigation after the marijuana growing operation was discovered.
The
gunman, Jim Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a
high-powered,
semiautomatic weapon on himself.


Canadian officials stress that it was an isolated act of extreme
violence -
and they hope to keep it that way. Many, like Mr. Stamatakis of
Vancouver,
say that Canadian lawmakers are too lenient in meting out penalties
for
those involved in growing operations contributing to the drug
explosion.


"When even the outgoing prime minister [Jean Chrétien] makes a
flippant
comment like, 'What's the big deal about marijuana? I've probably
had a few
puffs myself.' That sends the wrong message to the community and the
courts," Stamatakis says.


Softer laws for using, harder for selling
There has been a major push to decriminalize marijuana across the
country in
recent years. Canada was the first country to regulate its medicinal
use, in
1999. However, while the government has recently moved to introduce
softer
penalties for possession, penalties for growers could get stiffer. A
marijuana bill, reintroduced in November, advocates that possession
of up to
15 grams would be punishable by fines of C$100 to C$150 ($85 to
$125), but
would no longer lead to a criminal record.


For growers, those caught with more than three plants, face up to
five years
in jail, or 18 months plus a C$25,000 ($20,700) fine. Those caught
with more
than 25 plants could face 10 years in jail, while the bill provides
a
maximum sentence of up to 14 years for operations with more than 50
plants.


Last week, Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan issued a warning in
the wake
of the shootings, telling judges that they will be forced to explain
their
decisions in writing if jail terms are not imposed on those who grow
plants.
Under Canadian laws, criminals face a maximum seven-year jail term.
In
practice, however, many people convicted of growing marijuana
receive
sentences of little more than a few months, police say.


Criminologist Patrick Parnaby says the events of last week are
likely to
lead to stiffer penalties. When something like narcotics is
intimately tied
to violence, there is going to be a powerful public backlash, says
the
associate professor at the University of Guelph in Ontario.
"Stricter laws
will make the public feel a whole lot better," he says.





But many users pushing for decriminalization couldn't disagree more.
Blair
Longley, leader of the federal Marijuana Party, says legalization
would wipe
out criminal enterprises across the country.

"They've just used this [the Alberta shootings] as an excuse to
crack down
and enforce outdated laws," says Mr. Longley. "In reality,
liberalizing the
laws would mean you would get rid of almost all the profits and,
therefore,
all the crime."

--



jlrogers±³©
Beaten by George W. Bush! Now that's funny!

Couple of items need correction....

It was not a grow-op bust.... that was media hype... it was for stolen
vehicles and in response to a call from the local sheriff attempting to
serve a summons. They found only a dozen plants in his garage and a half
dozen stolen vehicles in different stages of being stripped down for parts.

The person who committed the crime was a life long felon with a history of
violence.... and he had a lot of guns contrary to the Canadian Firearms
laws.

The 4 officers were 1st year rookies..... the sheriff had relayed he last
saw the felon heading out to the field with a rifle.

CM

"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp.../ts_csm/odrugs
TORONTO - On the street it's called Northern Lights, Ontario Hydro, and
B.C. bud. It's one of Canada's biggest agricultural exports - a potent
form
of marijuana cultivated in sprawling "grow houses," worth an estimated
US$4
billion to $7 billion annually. Much of it is smuggled into the US.

Once hidden in farming communities and well-heeled suburbs, grow
operations - indoor nurseries with high-tech lighting and temperature
controls - have been thrust into the national spotlight. Thursday Canada
buried four young Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers who were killed
during a bust in rural Alberta March 3.


The Alberta grow house was just one of thousands across Canada. Here in
Ontario, police say indoor pot operations have risen 250 percent in the
past
four years. And Vancouver is home to some 7,000 "grow ops" at any time,
police say.


The tragedy - the deadliest incident for Canada's national police force in
120 years - has ignited debate as Canadians begin to question whether
liberal attitudes toward marijuana and lenient laws enacted over the past
two decades have contributed to the drug boom.


"It's really got people talking about the problem," says Marc Pinault,
staff
sergeant with the Ottawa Police Service's drug unit. "It's pretty clear
that
we produce a pile of pot, and it's really good stuff. I don't know that
that's something we should be really proud of."


Drugs moving east
British Columbia has long been the hub of sophisticated, high-tech
nurseries
capable of producing pot with nearly 30 times the kick of what was found
on
the street a decade ago, according to the Drug Enforcement Agency.
Sergeant
Pinault says the increasing numbers of massive growing operations - once
largely the preserve of Asian gangs and bikers on the West Coast -
indicate
the problem is moving East into provinces like Ontario and Quebec.


Tom Stamatakis, a Vancouver police officer and a member of the Canadian
Professional Police Association, says criminals across the country are
modeling their operations after those found in and around Vancouver.


For example, he says, grow houses are increasingly found in upscale areas
of
the city as criminals ply their trade behind picket fences and a facade of
respectability. Inside, they're a hotbed of danger - rigged with booby
traps
to ward off intruders and noxious chemical compounds that pose serious
health threats.


But those aren't the only perils. DEA special agent Rodney Benson of
Seattle
says recent busts have also netted a pile of automatic weapons and
explosive
devices.


"We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson, who recently
oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called Operation Hockey Bag, in
which investigators charged 22 people and seized more than 400 lbs. of
marijuana, along with $3.4 million and a dozen firearms. "It's not just
weapons - it's what we're seeing from the organization. They rule and
intimidate from within."


RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence, trying to find
out what led to the killing of the four officers last week. The incident
began as an attempt to repossess a pickup truck but ballooned into a
larger
investigation after the marijuana growing operation was discovered. The
gunman, Jim Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a high-powered,
semiautomatic weapon on himself.


Canadian officials stress that it was an isolated act of extreme
violence -
and they hope to keep it that way. Many, like Mr. Stamatakis of Vancouver,
say that Canadian lawmakers are too lenient in meting out penalties for
those involved in growing operations contributing to the drug explosion.


"When even the outgoing prime minister [Jean Chrétien] makes a flippant
comment like, 'What's the big deal about marijuana? I've probably had a
few
puffs myself.' That sends the wrong message to the community and the
courts," Stamatakis says.


Softer laws for using, harder for selling
There has been a major push to decriminalize marijuana across the country
in
recent years. Canada was the first country to regulate its medicinal use,
in
1999. However, while the government has recently moved to introduce softer
penalties for possession, penalties for growers could get stiffer. A
marijuana bill, reintroduced in November, advocates that possession of up
to
15 grams would be punishable by fines of C$100 to C$150 ($85 to $125), but
would no longer lead to a criminal record.


For growers, those caught with more than three plants, face up to five
years
in jail, or 18 months plus a C$25,000 ($20,700) fine. Those caught with
more
than 25 plants could face 10 years in jail, while the bill provides a
maximum sentence of up to 14 years for operations with more than 50
plants.


Last week, Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan issued a warning in the
wake
of the shootings, telling judges that they will be forced to explain their
decisions in writing if jail terms are not imposed on those who grow
plants.
Under Canadian laws, criminals face a maximum seven-year jail term. In
practice, however, many people convicted of growing marijuana receive
sentences of little more than a few months, police say.


Criminologist Patrick Parnaby says the events of last week are likely to
lead to stiffer penalties. When something like narcotics is intimately
tied
to violence, there is going to be a powerful public backlash, says the
associate professor at the University of Guelph in Ontario. "Stricter laws
will make the public feel a whole lot better," he says.





But many users pushing for decriminalization couldn't disagree more. Blair
Longley, leader of the federal Marijuana Party, says legalization would
wipe
out criminal enterprises across the country.

"They've just used this [the Alberta shootings] as an excuse to crack down
and enforce outdated laws," says Mr. Longley. "In reality, liberalizing
the
laws would mean you would get rid of almost all the profits and,
therefore,
all the crime."

--



jlrogers±³©
Beaten by George W. Bush! Now that's funny!

Right!
Other than to say I ain't biting ~ I ain't biting!
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be outlawed.

Amen!

Holy smokes!

Bob Crantz


"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp.../ts_csm/odrugs
TORONTO - On the street it's called Northern Lights, Ontario Hydro, and
B.C. bud. It's one of Canada's biggest agricultural exports - a potent
form
of marijuana cultivated in sprawling "grow houses," worth an estimated
US$4
billion to $7 billion annually. Much of it is smuggled into the US.

Once hidden in farming communities and well-heeled suburbs, grow
operations - indoor nurseries with high-tech lighting and temperature
controls - have been thrust into the national spotlight. Thursday Canada
buried four young Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers who were killed
during a bust in rural Alberta March 3.


The Alberta grow house was just one of thousands across Canada. Here in
Ontario, police say indoor pot operations have risen 250 percent in the
past
four years. And Vancouver is home to some 7,000 "grow ops" at any time,
police say.


The tragedy - the deadliest incident for Canada's national police force
in
120 years - has ignited debate as Canadians begin to question whether
liberal attitudes toward marijuana and lenient laws enacted over the past
two decades have contributed to the drug boom.


"It's really got people talking about the problem," says Marc Pinault,
staff
sergeant with the Ottawa Police Service's drug unit. "It's pretty clear
that
we produce a pile of pot, and it's really good stuff. I don't know that
that's something we should be really proud of."


Drugs moving east
British Columbia has long been the hub of sophisticated, high-tech
nurseries
capable of producing pot with nearly 30 times the kick of what was found
on
the street a decade ago, according to the Drug Enforcement Agency.
Sergeant
Pinault says the increasing numbers of massive growing operations - once
largely the preserve of Asian gangs and bikers on the West Coast -
indicate
the problem is moving East into provinces like Ontario and Quebec.


Tom Stamatakis, a Vancouver police officer and a member of the Canadian
Professional Police Association, says criminals across the country are
modeling their operations after those found in and around Vancouver.


For example, he says, grow houses are increasingly found in upscale areas
of
the city as criminals ply their trade behind picket fences and a facade
of
respectability. Inside, they're a hotbed of danger - rigged with booby
traps
to ward off intruders and noxious chemical compounds that pose serious
health threats.


But those aren't the only perils. DEA special agent Rodney Benson of
Seattle
says recent busts have also netted a pile of automatic weapons and
explosive
devices.


"We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson, who
recently
oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called Operation Hockey Bag, in
which investigators charged 22 people and seized more than 400 lbs. of
marijuana, along with $3.4 million and a dozen firearms. "It's not just
weapons - it's what we're seeing from the organization. They rule and
intimidate from within."


RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence, trying to find
out what led to the killing of the four officers last week. The incident
began as an attempt to repossess a pickup truck but ballooned into a
larger
investigation after the marijuana growing operation was discovered. The
gunman, Jim Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a high-powered,
semiautomatic weapon on himself.


Canadian officials stress that it was an isolated act of extreme
violence -
and they hope to keep it that way. Many, like Mr. Stamatakis of
Vancouver,
say that Canadian lawmakers are too lenient in meting out penalties for
those involved in growing operations contributing to the drug explosion.


"When even the outgoing prime minister [Jean Chrétien] makes a flippant
comment like, 'What's the big deal about marijuana? I've probably had a
few
puffs myself.' That sends the wrong message to the community and the
courts," Stamatakis says.


Softer laws for using, harder for selling
There has been a major push to decriminalize marijuana across the country
in
recent years. Canada was the first country to regulate its medicinal use,
in
1999. However, while the government has recently moved to introduce
softer
penalties for possession, penalties for growers could get stiffer. A
marijuana bill, reintroduced in November, advocates that possession of up
to
15 grams would be punishable by fines of C$100 to C$150 ($85 to $125),
but
would no longer lead to a criminal record.


For growers, those caught with more than three plants, face up to five
years
in jail, or 18 months plus a C$25,000 ($20,700) fine. Those caught with
more
than 25 plants could face 10 years in jail, while the bill provides a
maximum sentence of up to 14 years for operations with more than 50
plants.


Last week, Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan issued a warning in the
wake
of the shootings, telling judges that they will be forced to explain
their
decisions in writing if jail terms are not imposed on those who grow
plants.
Under Canadian laws, criminals face a maximum seven-year jail term. In
practice, however, many people convicted of growing marijuana receive
sentences of little more than a few months, police say.


Criminologist Patrick Parnaby says the events of last week are likely to
lead to stiffer penalties. When something like narcotics is intimately
tied
to violence, there is going to be a powerful public backlash, says the
associate professor at the University of Guelph in Ontario. "Stricter
laws
will make the public feel a whole lot better," he says.





But many users pushing for decriminalization couldn't disagree more.
Blair
Longley, leader of the federal Marijuana Party, says legalization would
wipe
out criminal enterprises across the country.

"They've just used this [the Alberta shootings] as an excuse to crack
down
and enforce outdated laws," says Mr. Longley. "In reality, liberalizing
the
laws would mean you would get rid of almost all the profits and,
therefore,
all the crime."

--



jlrogers±³©
Beaten by George W. Bush! Now that's funny!

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message

Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be outlawed.

Amen!

Holy smokes!

That Rastafarians think so.

Max

"Capt. Mooron" wrote

The 4 officers were 1st year rookies.....

as opposed to 3rd year rookies?

CM,

Your logic is FU again. That Canadian Weed is basically grown for US
consumption. It will be illegal in the States as long as Canadian Bribe
money is available for our elected representatives. The industry is US
Dollar driven. SO----

Getting it across the border is still a crime,as of now. Big bucks to be
made like in the Booze Running Days of the early Thirties.

Ole Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage

You'd best re-read my post... I didn't comment on the specifics of pot
production... so your admonishment regarding my logic is in itself
erroneous. I stated that the article jlrogers presented was in error. I
corrected the presented facts to reflect the actual situation.

CM



"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
CM,

Your logic is FU again. That Canadian Weed is basically grown for US
consumption. It will be illegal in the States as long as Canadian Bribe
money is available for our elected representatives. The industry is US
Dollar driven. SO----

Getting it across the border is still a crime,as of now. Big bucks to be
made like in the Booze Running Days of the early Thirties.

Ole Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be outlawed.

Most labour unions seem to think that people should get paid even if they
don't produce anything. If labour unions had their way, then the American
Dream would collapse in no time at all.

Labour Unions and Prosperity are mutually exclusive.


Are you some sort of communist, Bob?




Regards


Donal
--

Donal,
No wonder my Irish ancestors left you behind.
When they arrived in America, America took a big **** on them. They worked
the coal mines for less than their daily bread. When they'd had enough,
they stood up for themselves, fought for fair wages, and made such a stink
that even the president of the US took note and began to make changes in the
law to protect the working man. A lot of blood got spilled but they figured
if they were gonna die, it would be at the end of a gun and not by
starvation.
Now you and others here are trying to say that people are all nicey nice,
and the laws wouldn't allow that to happen today. RIGHT! That's why business
is moving over seas, so they can treat those people like ****, the way big
business treated Americans 100 years ago, and less. This mentality of screw
the little guy will bite them in the ass when the little guys get together
and start cutting frigging heads off.
And by the way, the mentality of "the worker gets **** while the
sales-businessman gets all the profit" is what got the Jews hated in
Germany. I have a copy of an 1895 encyclopedia I'd love to share with you in
which it discusses the "growing" problem between German craftsman and Jewish
business owners. It's really quite interesting, considering when it was
written.
Scout

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be outlawed.

Most labour unions seem to think that people should get paid even if they
don't produce anything. If labour unions had their way, then the American
Dream would collapse in no time at all.

Labour Unions and Prosperity are mutually exclusive.


Are you some sort of communist, Bob?




Regards


Donal
--

Capital will always flow to where it will produce the highest returns. The
influx of capital will always raise the standard of living of those in the
region to which it flows. The premise, of course, is that the capital is
managed by those who created it or their agents by choice.
The penalty for driving capital away is a lowering of living standard.

As far as laws go, they don't protect much. They offer a little protection
for the low wage hourly worker and that is all. You should see the white
collar slavery that presently goes on in this country. 80 hour workweeks
demanded (40 hours pay), employees pitted against one another for raises, on
the job injuries/ illnesses counted against you, no training, no tools, etc,
I could go on and on. I remind you that these employees are regarded as
"professionals".

I doubt you will ever see the hatred built up against the Jews come up again
against any group that controls capital. The reason being that it is very
easy today to move your money. The Jews were stuck in Germany.

Organized labor did do quite a bit in creating a safe, uniform and fair work
environment. The intent of business is not to treat people poorly, it is to
make money. Unfortunately, people of very small mentalities dedicate their
lives solely to work and rise in a corporation. It is there that they use
their positions to fill every crevice of their personality disorders or
mental problems. These are the people that make business look bad. There are
many, many businesses that treat their people well and the employees are
very loyal. These are typically the most successful of businesses. They know
how to treat human capital.

Amen!

Jimmy Hoffa burns in hell!

Bob Crantz




"Scout" wrote in message
...
Donal,
No wonder my Irish ancestors left you behind.
When they arrived in America, America took a big **** on them. They worked
the coal mines for less than their daily bread. When they'd had enough,
they stood up for themselves, fought for fair wages, and made such a stink
that even the president of the US took note and began to make changes in
the
law to protect the working man. A lot of blood got spilled but they
figured
if they were gonna die, it would be at the end of a gun and not by
starvation.
Now you and others here are trying to say that people are all nicey nice,
and the laws wouldn't allow that to happen today. RIGHT! That's why
business
is moving over seas, so they can treat those people like ****, the way big
business treated Americans 100 years ago, and less. This mentality of
screw
the little guy will bite them in the ass when the little guys get together
and start cutting frigging heads off.
And by the way, the mentality of "the worker gets **** while the
sales-businessman gets all the profit" is what got the Jews hated in
Germany. I have a copy of an 1895 encyclopedia I'd love to share with you
in
which it discusses the "growing" problem between German craftsman and
Jewish
business owners. It's really quite interesting, considering when it was
written.
Scout

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor
unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be
outlawed.

Most labour unions seem to think that people should get paid even if
they
don't produce anything. If labour unions had their way, then the
American
Dream would collapse in no time at all.

Labour Unions and Prosperity are mutually exclusive.


Are you some sort of communist, Bob?




Regards


Donal
--

Thom Stewart wrote:


The industry is US
Dollar driven. SO----

Getting it across the border is still a crime,as of now. Big bucks to
be
made like in the Booze Running Days of the early Thirties.

Whats "Big Bucks" ?

How far are you from the border?

Do they catch many sailing in with product?

Ive seen several stories lately of sailboats getting busted, one bring
in pot in Fla fter the USCG noticed they meet up with speedboat in the
Gulf, Second was 12 illegal's coming in to N.C. from the open Atlantic.
Somehow I think big brother is watching ever single boat along the US
borders 24-7.

Risky Carrer.

Joe


Ole Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage

"Joe" wrote in message

Whats "Big Bucks" ?

$100 a quarter ounce on the street.


How far are you from the border?

That is irrelevent.... 99% of our mutual border is unguarded.... it's a
walk in the woods. Once it's in the USA the chances of being captured are
reduced dramatically. Six hikers carrying 40lbs each represents a sizable
profit.


Do they catch many sailing in with product?

Anybody who uses a sailboat to import pot is an idiot.... or the shipment is
a sacrifice meant to occupy the authorites while the main shipment is
delivered by other means in an alternate location.


Ive seen several stories lately of sailboats getting busted, one bring
in pot in Fla fter the USCG noticed they meet up with speedboat in the
Gulf, Second was 12 illegal's coming in to N.C. from the open Atlantic.
Somehow I think big brother is watching ever single boat along the US
borders 24-7.

You overestimate the capabilities of your government..... they intercept
maybe 10% of the smugglers.


Risky Carrer.

So is the stock market... or the military... or a being gay like Ganz.

CM

That's always been my contention, unions were needed back then, and
they worked . unfortunately they've gone too far in a lot of cases.
Why are you up at 0400?

Scotty


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Donal,
No wonder my Irish ancestors left you behind.
When they arrived in America, America took a big **** on them. They
worked
the coal mines for less than their daily bread. When they'd had
enough,
they stood up for themselves, fought for fair wages, and made such a
stink
that even the president of the US took note and began to make
changes in the
law to protect the working man. A lot of blood got spilled but they
figured
if they were gonna die, it would be at the end of a gun and not by
starvation.
Now you and others here are trying to say that people are all nicey
nice,
and the laws wouldn't allow that to happen today. RIGHT! That's why
business
is moving over seas, so they can treat those people like ****, the
way big
business treated Americans 100 years ago, and less. This mentality
of screw
the little guy will bite them in the ass when the little guys get
together
and start cutting frigging heads off.
And by the way, the mentality of "the worker gets **** while the
sales-businessman gets all the profit" is what got the Jews hated in
Germany. I have a copy of an 1895 encyclopedia I'd love to share
with you in
which it discusses the "growing" problem between German craftsman
and Jewish
business owners. It's really quite interesting, considering when it
was
written.
Scout

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor
unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be
outlawed.

Most labour unions seem to think that people should get paid even
if they
don't produce anything. If labour unions had their way, then the
American
Dream would collapse in no time at all.

Labour Unions and Prosperity are mutually exclusive.


Are you some sort of communist, Bob?




Regards


Donal
--

"Capt. Mooron" wrote

$100 a quarter ounce on the street.

Yikes, I remember $20 a bag.




Do they catch many sailing in with product?

Anybody who uses a sailboat to import pot is an idiot....

Why? I thought maybe you and I could start a new business together.

Scotty

Scotty,
I've worked 3 jobs for the past 20 years in order to put myself, my wife and
kids through college (6 undergrad and 2 grad degrees). You already know what
my day job is. At night, I draw electrical schematics in AutoCAD and program
ddc graphics for Honeywell. On the weekends I have what has turned into a
cushy job operating a power plant (sounds better than boiler room).
I used to open the boilers and work all the mechanical projects, but on the
midnight shift I just watch gauges, flip switches, open and close valves,
and read read read. Oh, and sometimes I come on here to make a little
trouble. Pathetic, eh?
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That's always been my contention, unions were needed back then, and
they worked . unfortunately they've gone too far in a lot of cases.
Why are you up at 0400?

"Capt. Mooron" wrote
Anybody who uses a sailboat to import pot is an idiot....

Ship High In Transit?

You're not at Limerick, are you? Which trash-to-steam plants have you
been at? Back in the '70s -'80s
I delivered a lot of 'bag houses' and other equipment to TTS plants.

Scotty


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Scotty,
I've worked 3 jobs for the past 20 years in order to put myself, my
wife and
kids through college (6 undergrad and 2 grad degrees). You already
know what
my day job is. At night, I draw electrical schematics in AutoCAD and
program
ddc graphics for Honeywell. On the weekends I have what has turned
into a
cushy job operating a power plant (sounds better than boiler room).
I used to open the boilers and work all the mechanical projects, but
on the
midnight shift I just watch gauges, flip switches, open and close
valves,
and read read read. Oh, and sometimes I come on here to make a
little
trouble. Pathetic, eh?
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That's always been my contention, unions were needed back then,
and
they worked . unfortunately they've gone too far in a lot of
cases.
Why are you up at 0400?

I'm out of the nuclear gen stations now (Limerick and Peach Bottom). My last
official duty at Limerick was to escort some roofers who were patching some
penetrations we made for a cooling tower. We couldn't find a roofer who
could pass the **** test and get security clearance, so I had to baby sit
them. A real pita.
TTS experience is local (Grows in Fall Twp). Also did some work for
U.S.Steel and Rohm and Haas in this area. But most of my work was downtown
Phila (hospitals, high rises, etc).
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
You're not at Limerick, are you? Which trash-to-steam plants have you
been at? Back in the '70s -'80s
I delivered a lot of 'bag houses' and other equipment to TTS plants.

Scotty


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Scotty,
I've worked 3 jobs for the past 20 years in order to put myself, my
wife and
kids through college (6 undergrad and 2 grad degrees). You already
know what
my day job is. At night, I draw electrical schematics in AutoCAD and
program
ddc graphics for Honeywell. On the weekends I have what has turned
into a
cushy job operating a power plant (sounds better than boiler room).
I used to open the boilers and work all the mechanical projects, but
on the
midnight shift I just watch gauges, flip switches, open and close
valves,
and read read read. Oh, and sometimes I come on here to make a
little
trouble. Pathetic, eh?
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That's always been my contention, unions were needed back then,
and
they worked . unfortunately they've gone too far in a lot of
cases.
Why are you up at 0400?

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote

$100 a quarter ounce on the street.

Yikes, I remember $20 a bag.

Yeah... for shake and twigs.





Do they catch many sailing in with product?

Anybody who uses a sailboat to import pot is an idiot....

Why? I thought maybe you and I could start a new business together.

Walk it across the border and pick up by vehicle.... way better than sailing
it over.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Capt. Mooron" wrote
Anybody who uses a sailboat to import pot is an idiot....

Ship High In Transit?

Dead give away when you have clouds of smoke billowing out the hatches.....

CM

I agree.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:t_ZYd.49321$fc4.37429@edtnps89...

"Joe" wrote in message

Whats "Big Bucks" ?

$100 a quarter ounce on the street.


How far are you from the border?

That is irrelevent.... 99% of our mutual border is unguarded.... it's a
walk in the woods. Once it's in the USA the chances of being captured are
reduced dramatically. Six hikers carrying 40lbs each represents a sizable
profit.


Do they catch many sailing in with product?

Anybody who uses a sailboat to import pot is an idiot.... or the shipment
is a sacrifice meant to occupy the authorites while the main shipment is
delivered by other means in an alternate location.


Ive seen several stories lately of sailboats getting busted, one bring
in pot in Fla fter the USCG noticed they meet up with speedboat in the
Gulf, Second was 12 illegal's coming in to N.C. from the open Atlantic.
Somehow I think big brother is watching ever single boat along the US
borders 24-7.

You overestimate the capabilities of your government..... they intercept
maybe 10% of the smugglers.


Risky Carrer.

So is the stock market... or the military... or a being gay like me.

CM

Or in your case, out your ass. Don't bend over in the chicken coop. The
rooster might take it as a sign.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:Wa%Yd.29838$ZO2.2325@edtnps84...

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Capt. Mooron" wrote
Anybody who uses a sailboat to import pot is an idiot....

Ship High In Transit?

Dead give away when you have clouds of smoke billowing out the
hatches.....

CM

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Donal,
No wonder my Irish ancestors left you behind.
When they arrived in America, America took a big **** on them. They worked
the coal mines for less than their daily bread. When they'd had enough,
they stood up for themselves, fought for fair wages, and made such a stink
that even the president of the US took note and began to make changes in
the
law to protect the working man. A lot of blood got spilled but they
figured
if they were gonna die, it would be at the end of a gun and not by
starvation.
Now you and others here are trying to say that people are all nicey nice,
and the laws wouldn't allow that to happen today. RIGHT!

Yes, I would say that it cannot happen today.

When the unions came into existence, workers had no rights at all. 11 year
old boys were being sent up chimneys. Adults worked long hours in dangerous
factories for a pittance. By the 1960's most of the reasons for the unions'
existence were gone. However, the unions carried on fighting and destroyed
themselves in the process. During the 60's and 70's the unions wrecked
Britian's manufacturing industries, which were also seeing costs rise as a
result of the demise of the Empire. This destruction of manufacturing also
meant that union membership collapsed.

As all this was happening, the unions carried on fighting. Why??
Simple - the leadership had to keep the members feeling that they were
being abused, otherwise the membership would dwindle. "On the backs of the
discontented shall ye climb into power."

Then Maggie came to power, and she took the unions head on. She fought them
for 10 years, and eventually won. However, she carried on fighting and
destroyed her party in the process.



That's why business
is moving over seas, so they can treat those people like ****, the way big
business treated Americans 100 years ago, and less.

Businesses move overseas so that they can survive. They look for ways of
reducing their costs when competition gets tough.

If you want to stop this happening, then you should only buy US made
products even it that means that you will pay more.

This mentality of screw
the little guy will bite them in the ass when the little guys get together
and start cutting frigging heads off.

And by the way, the mentality of "the worker gets **** while the
sales-businessman gets all the profit" is what got the Jews hated in
Germany. I have a copy of an 1895 encyclopedia I'd love to share with you
in
which it discusses the "growing" problem between German craftsman and
Jewish
business owners. It's really quite interesting, considering when it was
written.

It isn't just Jews that tend to own businesses. Immigrants of any type are
more likely to set up in business. The reason is very simple. Immigrants
don't feel as secure as the rest of the population. They have to take
control of their own lives, because they don't have family or friends to
help. So they will tend to save for a rainy day.



Regards


Donal
--

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be outlawed.

Most labour unions seem to think that people should get paid even if they
don't produce anything. If labour unions had their way, then the American
Dream would collapse in no time at all.

Bwahaahhahahhahahhaha. Funny, most indicators of prosperity in the US have
been declining steadily over the last 20 years or so, coinciding very nicely
with the decline in................drumroll please............Union
membership. Are you some sort of fascist, Donal? Somewhat ironic, you could
exchange the word "labor union" for "CEO" and come up with a statement that
more correctly reflects reality with the addendum, "don't produce anything
and drive the business into the ground and get a huge bonus".

John Cairns



Labour Unions and Prosperity are mutually exclusive.


Are you some sort of communist, Bob?




Regards


Donal
--

Canada needs to make gun ownership legal again.

Why is it governments feel the need to tell people what they
can't do? Freedom means you can think and chose for
yourself.

Heinlein said that any time ID's are required it is time to
move to a new planet.

"Capt. Mooron" wrote
Couple of items need correction....

It was not a grow-op bust.... that was media hype... it was for stolen
vehicles and in response to a call from the local sheriff attempting to
serve a summons. They found only a dozen plants in his garage and a half
dozen stolen vehicles in different stages of being stripped down for
parts.

The person who committed the crime was a life long felon with a history of
violence.... and he had a lot of guns contrary to the Canadian Firearms
laws.

The 4 officers were 1st year rookies..... the sheriff had relayed he
last
saw the felon heading out to the field with a rifle.

CM

"jlrogers±³©" wrote in message
...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...&e=3&u=/csm/20
050311/ts_csm/odrugs
TORONTO - On the street it's called Northern Lights, Ontario Hydro, and
B.C. bud. It's one of Canada's biggest agricultural exports - a potent
form
of marijuana cultivated in sprawling "grow houses," worth an estimated
US$4
billion to $7 billion annually. Much of it is smuggled into the US.

Once hidden in farming communities and well-heeled suburbs, grow
operations - indoor nurseries with high-tech lighting and temperature
controls - have been thrust into the national spotlight. Thursday Canada
buried four young Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers who were killed
during a bust in rural Alberta March 3.


The Alberta grow house was just one of thousands across Canada. Here in
Ontario, police say indoor pot operations have risen 250 percent in the
past
four years. And Vancouver is home to some 7,000 "grow ops" at any time,
police say.


The tragedy - the deadliest incident for Canada's national police force
in
120 years - has ignited debate as Canadians begin to question whether
liberal attitudes toward marijuana and lenient laws enacted over the
past
two decades have contributed to the drug boom.


"It's really got people talking about the problem," says Marc Pinault,
staff
sergeant with the Ottawa Police Service's drug unit. "It's pretty clear
that
we produce a pile of pot, and it's really good stuff. I don't know that
that's something we should be really proud of."


Drugs moving east
British Columbia has long been the hub of sophisticated, high-tech
nurseries
capable of producing pot with nearly 30 times the kick of what was found
on
the street a decade ago, according to the Drug Enforcement Agency.
Sergeant
Pinault says the increasing numbers of massive growing operations - once
largely the preserve of Asian gangs and bikers on the West Coast -
indicate
the problem is moving East into provinces like Ontario and Quebec.


Tom Stamatakis, a Vancouver police officer and a member of the Canadian
Professional Police Association, says criminals across the country are
modeling their operations after those found in and around Vancouver.


For example, he says, grow houses are increasingly found in upscale
areas
of
the city as criminals ply their trade behind picket fences and a facade
of
respectability. Inside, they're a hotbed of danger - rigged with booby
traps
to ward off intruders and noxious chemical compounds that pose serious
health threats.


But those aren't the only perils. DEA special agent Rodney Benson of
Seattle
says recent busts have also netted a pile of automatic weapons and
explosive
devices.


"We're definitely seeing more violence," explains Mr. Benson, who
recently
oversaw a year long, cross- border sting called Operation Hockey Bag, in
which investigators charged 22 people and seized more than 400 lbs. of
marijuana, along with $3.4 million and a dozen firearms. "It's not just
weapons - it's what we're seeing from the organization. They rule and
intimidate from within."


RCMP investigators are still sifting through the evidence, trying to
find
out what led to the killing of the four officers last week. The incident
began as an attempt to repossess a pickup truck but ballooned into a
larger
investigation after the marijuana growing operation was discovered. The
gunman, Jim Roszko, killed the officers and later turned a high-powered,
semiautomatic weapon on himself.


Canadian officials stress that it was an isolated act of extreme
violence -
and they hope to keep it that way. Many, like Mr. Stamatakis of
Vancouver,
say that Canadian lawmakers are too lenient in meting out penalties for
those involved in growing operations contributing to the drug explosion.


"When even the outgoing prime minister [Jean Chrétien] makes a flippant
comment like, 'What's the big deal about marijuana? I've probably had a
few
puffs myself.' That sends the wrong message to the community and the
courts," Stamatakis says.


Softer laws for using, harder for selling
There has been a major push to decriminalize marijuana across the
country
in
recent years. Canada was the first country to regulate its medicinal
use,
in
1999. However, while the government has recently moved to introduce
softer
penalties for possession, penalties for growers could get stiffer. A
marijuana bill, reintroduced in November, advocates that possession of
up
to
15 grams would be punishable by fines of C$100 to C$150 ($85 to $125),
but
would no longer lead to a criminal record.


For growers, those caught with more than three plants, face up to five
years
in jail, or 18 months plus a C$25,000 ($20,700) fine. Those caught with
more
than 25 plants could face 10 years in jail, while the bill provides a
maximum sentence of up to 14 years for operations with more than 50
plants.


Last week, Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan issued a warning in the
wake
of the shootings, telling judges that they will be forced to explain
their
decisions in writing if jail terms are not imposed on those who grow
plants.
Under Canadian laws, criminals face a maximum seven-year jail term. In
practice, however, many people convicted of growing marijuana receive
sentences of little more than a few months, police say.


Criminologist Patrick Parnaby says the events of last week are likely to
lead to stiffer penalties. When something like narcotics is intimately
tied
to violence, there is going to be a powerful public backlash, says the
associate professor at the University of Guelph in Ontario. "Stricter
laws
will make the public feel a whole lot better," he says.





But many users pushing for decriminalization couldn't disagree more.
Blair
Longley, leader of the federal Marijuana Party, says legalization would
wipe
out criminal enterprises across the country.

"They've just used this [the Alberta shootings] as an excuse to crack
down
and enforce outdated laws," says Mr. Longley. "In reality, liberalizing
the
laws would mean you would get rid of almost all the profits and,
therefore,
all the crime."

--



jlrogers±³©
Beaten by George W. Bush! Now that's funny!

"John Cairns" wrote in message
om...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be
outlawed.

Most labour unions seem to think that people should get paid even if they
don't produce anything. If labour unions had their way, then the
American
Dream would collapse in no time at all.

Bwahaahhahahhahahhaha. Funny, most indicators of prosperity in the US have
been declining steadily over the last 20 years or so, coinciding very
nicely with the decline in................drumroll please............Union
membership. Are you some sort of fascist, Donal? Somewhat ironic, you
could exchange the word "labor union" for "CEO" and come up with a
statement that more correctly reflects reality with the addendum, "don't
produce anything and drive the business into the ground and get a huge
bonus".

John Cairns

HERE HERE - Well said!
Scout

Bart Senior wrote:
Why is it governments feel the need to tell people what they
can't do? Freedom means you can think and chose for
yourself.


Dunno, but it's certainly an accelerating trend.

Heinlein said that any time ID's are required it is time to
move to a new planet.


Agreed, do you know of any that are open for immigration? I thought that
was one of NASA's jobs but they haven't found any good ones.

DSK

You could volunteer for the lunar gene pool project...

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Bart Senior wrote:
Why is it governments feel the need to tell people what they
can't do? Freedom means you can think and chose for
yourself.


Dunno, but it's certainly an accelerating trend.

Heinlein said that any time ID's are required it is time to
move to a new planet.


Agreed, do you know of any that are open for immigration? I thought that
was one of NASA's jobs but they haven't found any good ones.

DSK

"Bob Crantz" wrote
Capital will always flow to where it will produce the highest returns. The
influx of capital will always raise the standard of living of those in the
region to which it flows.

Yea, well tell that to the West Virginia coal miners of the late 1800s.

The problem often is that the owners of a business do not manage it. The
managament is done by a special group of employees called "managers" or
"bean counters". They manage it to benefit themselves, not the owners
(shareholders) and certainly not the workers. Unions counterbalance these
oft-dishonest people. Look at the scandals!

I'm ready to go. I've seen on TV that most other planets
look like california

"DSK" wrote
Bart Senior wrote:

Heinlein said that any time ID's are required it is time to
move to a new planet.

Agreed, do you know of any that are open for immigration? I thought that
was one of NASA's jobs but they haven't found any good ones.

DSK

Earth II...??? Certainly not Vulcan nor the Klingon Empire home world.
Rigel is supposed to be nice any time of year. I'd take my own ship but I'm
have trouble with the primary plasma intake manifolds for the hyper-drive.
Radio Shack is back-ordered on plasma conduits.... so I'm stuck thumpin' a
lift! I'm thinking of switching to Naquita Generators and Photonic
Amplifiers... that way I'll be able to employ a Cloaking Device.

If you think that's difficult to understand... try making sense of these 3
binders of specifications on watermain installations I'm reviewing!

CM

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
I'm ready to go. I've seen on TV that most other planets
look like california

"DSK" wrote
Bart Senior wrote:

Heinlein said that any time ID's are required it is time to
move to a new planet.

Agreed, do you know of any that are open for immigration? I thought that
was one of NASA's jobs but they haven't found any good ones.

DSK

CM,

Sometimes it is important to remind ourselves that the herd mentality is
still very strong in the humans. The "Alpha Male & female still holds
sway. King, Queen, President. Leader are simple variations on "Alpha"
theme to pack leadership

Ole Thom

Doug,

If your so hot on individual choice. GO! Why look to NASA to lead you.
You really don't think you'll get a free rocket ride without an ID do
you?
Ole Thom

Sizeable profit is........

Each had 256K @ 40 lbs street value.

Over a million and a half for 6 hikers.

What's 120 lbs cost in Canada?

Joe

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Sizeable profit is........

Each had 256K @ 40 lbs street value.

Over a million and a half for 6 hikers.

What's 120 lbs cost in Canada?

I believe it's about 3K a lb... but frankly I haven't had to purchase pot in
over 5 years. Everyone that smokes generally grows their own. I can't do
that due to circumstances.....

People in the city are paying about a 10 bucks a gram or C-note for a
quarter ounce or 3 hundred for an ounce. They are the main customers of the
grow-ops. The majority of grow-ops are mom&pop small time outfits with a
couple of dozen plants to supply friends and family with pot as well as turn
a small profit... which is funnelled back into the market. A very few are
big commercial run grow-ops backed by the criminal enterprises.

CM

Thom Stewart wrote:
Doug,

If your so hot on individual choice. GO! Why look to NASA to lead you.
You really don't think you'll get a free rocket ride without an ID do
you?

Who said anything about free?

Another of Heinlein's little rules of thumb was that any culture where
rudeness was accepted or even expected, the norm in every day
interaction, was in steep decline.

DSK

They should be so lucky....

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
I'm ready to go. I've seen on TV that most other planets
look like california

"DSK" wrote
Bart Senior wrote:

Heinlein said that any time ID's are required it is time to
move to a new planet.

Agreed, do you know of any that are open for immigration? I thought that
was one of NASA's jobs but they haven't found any good ones.

DSK

"DSK" wrote

Another of Heinlein's little rules of thumb was that any culture
where
rudeness was accepted or even expected, the norm in every day
interaction, was in steep decline.

Did he mention anything about NGs?

Scotty

Agreed, do you know of any that are open for immigration? I thought that
was one of NASA's jobs but they haven't found any good ones.


katysails wrote:
You could volunteer for the lunar gene pool project...


How do you know I haven't already? Best thing I could do for my
descendants, get them offa this rock!

DSK