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DSK March 14th 05 07:08 PM

Another of Heinlein's little rules of thumb was that any culture
where
rudeness was accepted or even expected, the norm in every day
interaction, was in steep decline.



Scott Vernon wrote:
Did he mention anything about NGs?


Y'know, Heinlein was pretty darn smart and predicted many things
accurately... for example he was the first science fiction writer to
have computers displaying data via TV-like screens... he would have been
flabbergasted by the Internet.

DSK


Joe March 14th 05 07:40 PM

@ 3k then its a 120K investment per backpack...With a return of only
100% if you get street value. Doubt thats gonna happen so looks like
only a 50% return on original investment with a very high risk. There
are many better ways to make a living, or quick cash IMO.

South of the border would provide a higher return on your original
investment, like a 800 % return. Still... the thought of years in
prison.... makes the whole ideal insane.

Joe


Vito March 14th 05 08:42 PM

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:sCjZd.29093$i6.7161@edtnps90...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Sizeable profit is........

Each had 256K @ 40 lbs street value.

Over a million and a half for 6 hikers.

What's 120 lbs cost in Canada?


I believe it's about 3K a lb... ...


Oy, who is buying at those prices? Clearly their allowances are too big!
When I was a youth a nickle ($5) bag was a lunch sack half full.



Capt. Mooron March 14th 05 10:28 PM


"Joe" wrote in message

South of the border would provide a higher return on your original
investment, like a 800 % return. Still... the thought of years in
prison.... makes the whole ideal insane.


True Joe... but you must understand that it's US buyers coming up into
Canada to purchase available product that promotes continued grow-ops. The
majority of Canadian consumers grow their own. A half dozen plants in a
closet or basement is easily a year's supply to most. It's a wonder you
Yanks are too stunned to grow it yourselves!

CM



Capt. Mooron March 14th 05 11:09 PM


"Vito" wrote in message

Oy, who is buying at those prices? Clearly their allowances are too big!
When I was a youth a nickle ($5) bag was a lunch sack half full.


When you were a kid Mexican rag was a nickel bag and you could only dream of
Panama Red! Half the contents of your nickel bag could be milled to T&G and
the seeds caused the shake to pop when your toked it. Remember the Tandem
Master/Slave? Bong? I still recall placing the weed in a coffee grinder to
get a better mix.

The stuff grown now is generally Indica or Hybrid Sativia ... all female and
only the bud is harvested.... although some prefer the shake for it's milder
effect. Hardly anyone pays for pot up here unless you are a Yuppie in the
city with no contacts.

CM

CM



Donal March 15th 05 12:15 AM


"John Cairns" wrote in message
om...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor

unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be

outlawed.

Most labour unions seem to think that people should get paid even if

they
don't produce anything. If labour unions had their way, then the

American
Dream would collapse in no time at all.


Bwahaahhahahhahahhaha. Funny, most indicators of prosperity in the US have
been declining steadily over the last 20 years or so, coinciding very

nicely
with the decline in................drumroll please............Union
membership.


It also coincides very nicely with an increase in government interference in
the way that businesses are run. Over here, anti discrimination laws mean
that job application forms may not ask about marital status, physical
ability or date of birth.

A friend of mine has a small business that provides supplies for window
cleaners. A local government inspector recently made him spend $1,500.00
fitting a "disabled bathroom" in his premises. How many disabled window
cleaners do you know?


Are you some sort of fascist, Donal? Somewhat ironic, you could
exchange the word "labor union" for "CEO" and come up with a statement

that
more correctly reflects reality with the addendum, "don't produce anything
and drive the business into the ground and get a huge bonus".


That is a typical socialist viewpoint. 95% of "CEO's" are small
businessmen, who don't earn huge bonuses.

Look around you! Look at the little shops, the gas stations, the boatyards
and all the other small businesses that provide employment for the
ungrateful masses. You would happily saddle all these businesses with
additional costs without any thought for the financial cost, or the time
that the owner must invest, so that your utopian view of life could be
maintained. The reality is that increased costs slow down growth. You
cannot hire more people if you are spending the cash on bathrooms for the,
non-existant, disabled.


So, you think that I'm a fascist!! Somewhat ironic, since I bet that you
have never been directly responsible for the creation of a single job. Do
you think that you have a "human right" to an income that allows expensive
holidays on an annual basis?



Regards


Donal
--




Donal March 15th 05 12:20 AM


"Scout" wrote in message
...

"John Cairns" wrote in message
om...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor

unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be
outlawed.

Most labour unions seem to think that people should get paid even if

they
don't produce anything. If labour unions had their way, then the
American
Dream would collapse in no time at all.


Bwahaahhahahhahahhaha. Funny, most indicators of prosperity in the US

have
been declining steadily over the last 20 years or so, coinciding very
nicely with the decline in................drumroll

please............Union
membership. Are you some sort of fascist, Donal? Somewhat ironic, you
could exchange the word "labor union" for "CEO" and come up with a
statement that more correctly reflects reality with the addendum, "don't
produce anything and drive the business into the ground and get a huge
bonus".

John Cairns


HERE HERE - Well said!
Scout


How many jobs have created with your own self-funded time or effort?

How many jobs have you had?


Can't you see the hypocrisy?


Regards


Donal
--






Capt. Mooron March 15th 05 12:34 AM


"Donal" wrote in message

Do you think that you have a "human right" to an income that allows
expensive
holidays on an annual basis?


If they want my services for that duration.... Yes!... and most likely
even more in bonuses!

Which by the way I usually negotiate without union interference.

CM



Scott Vernon March 15th 05 12:45 AM


"Donal" wrote in message
...

A friend of mine has a small business that provides supplies for

window
cleaners. A local government inspector recently made him spend

$1,500.00
fitting a "disabled bathroom" in his premises. How many disabled

window
cleaners do you know?



Some of the bigger truckstops have 1 or 2 handicapped truck parking
spaces.
Give me a break!

SV




Horvath March 15th 05 12:47 AM

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 12:40:14 -0500, DSK wrote
this crap:

Thom Stewart wrote:
Doug,

If your so hot on individual choice. GO! Why look to NASA to lead you.
You really don't think you'll get a free rocket ride without an ID do
you?


Who said anything about free?

Another of Heinlein's little rules of thumb was that any culture where
rudeness was accepted or even expected, the norm in every day
interaction, was in steep decline.

DSK



He also claimed that you shouldn't own more than you can carry.







Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Capt. Mooron March 15th 05 01:00 AM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

Some of the bigger truckstops have 1 or 2 handicapped truck parking
spaces.
Give me a break!


Short Haul... Bad Heart??? Don't you guys have rigerous physicals on an
annual basis?

CM



DSK March 15th 05 01:04 AM

Horvath wrote:
He also claimed that you shouldn't own more than you can carry.


Do you disagree?

DSK


Scott Vernon March 15th 05 03:19 AM


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:9tqZd.31304$i6.5281@edtnps90...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

Some of the bigger truckstops have 1 or 2 handicapped truck

parking
spaces.
Give me a break!


Short Haul... Bad Heart??? Don't you guys have rigerous

physicals on an
annual basis?


Every other year.

cough, cough

SV




Horvath March 15th 05 12:10 PM

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 20:04:39 -0500, DSK wrote
this crap:

Horvath wrote:
He also claimed that you shouldn't own more than you can carry.


Do you disagree?



You are a liar.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

DSK March 15th 05 01:01 PM

He also claimed that you shouldn't own more than you can carry.


Do you disagree?



Horvath wrote:
You are a liar.


Asking a question makes me a liar?

Do you disagree with Heinlein's premise that one should not own more
than you can carry? Personally, I don't follow it literally but I think
it's a good principle.

Oh and BTW, I didn't see your name in the winner's list from Key West? I
thought you were the big-time Champion of Champions among PHRF racers?

DSK


Bob Crantz March 15th 05 10:38 PM

Schematics in autocad!

How stone age!

You are in hell!

Amen!

Bob Crantz

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Scotty,
I've worked 3 jobs for the past 20 years in order to put myself, my wife

and
kids through college (6 undergrad and 2 grad degrees). You already know

what
my day job is. At night, I draw electrical schematics in AutoCAD and

program
ddc graphics for Honeywell. On the weekends I have what has turned into a
cushy job operating a power plant (sounds better than boiler room).
I used to open the boilers and work all the mechanical projects, but on

the
midnight shift I just watch gauges, flip switches, open and close valves,
and read read read. Oh, and sometimes I come on here to make a little
trouble. Pathetic, eh?
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That's always been my contention, unions were needed back then, and
they worked . unfortunately they've gone too far in a lot of cases.
Why are you up at 0400?






Bob Crantz March 15th 05 10:38 PM

A pure lie. Average wealth has increased.


"John Cairns" wrote in message
om...

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor

unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be

outlawed.

Most labour unions seem to think that people should get paid even if

they
don't produce anything. If labour unions had their way, then the

American
Dream would collapse in no time at all.


Bwahaahhahahhahahhaha. Funny, most indicators of prosperity in the US have
been declining steadily over the last 20 years or so, coinciding very

nicely
with the decline in................drumroll please............Union
membership. Are you some sort of fascist, Donal? Somewhat ironic, you

could
exchange the word "labor union" for "CEO" and come up with a statement

that
more correctly reflects reality with the addendum, "don't produce anything
and drive the business into the ground and get a huge bonus".

John Cairns



Labour Unions and Prosperity are mutually exclusive.


Are you some sort of communist, Bob?




Regards


Donal
--









Bob Crantz March 15th 05 10:38 PM

$300 an ounce?

C'mon.

Holy smokes!

Bob Crantz


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:sCjZd.29093$i6.7161@edtnps90...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Sizeable profit is........

Each had 256K @ 40 lbs street value.

Over a million and a half for 6 hikers.

What's 120 lbs cost in Canada?


I believe it's about 3K a lb... but frankly I haven't had to purchase pot

in
over 5 years. Everyone that smokes generally grows their own. I can't do
that due to circumstances.....

People in the city are paying about a 10 bucks a gram or C-note for a
quarter ounce or 3 hundred for an ounce. They are the main customers of

the
grow-ops. The majority of grow-ops are mom&pop small time outfits with a
couple of dozen plants to supply friends and family with pot as well as

turn
a small profit... which is funnelled back into the market. A very few are
big commercial run grow-ops backed by the criminal enterprises.

CM






Capt. Mooron March 15th 05 11:01 PM

I know... the good lord intended for us to grow and smoke it for free.....
yet these devil worshippers insist on charging for a product most people are
too lazy to grow themselves.

The heathen *******s should burn in the Lava Lakes!

CM

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
$300 an ounce?

C'mon.

Holy smokes!

Bob Crantz


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:sCjZd.29093$i6.7161@edtnps90...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Sizeable profit is........

Each had 256K @ 40 lbs street value.

Over a million and a half for 6 hikers.

What's 120 lbs cost in Canada?


I believe it's about 3K a lb... but frankly I haven't had to purchase pot

in
over 5 years. Everyone that smokes generally grows their own. I can't do
that due to circumstances.....

People in the city are paying about a 10 bucks a gram or C-note for a
quarter ounce or 3 hundred for an ounce. They are the main customers of

the
grow-ops. The majority of grow-ops are mom&pop small time outfits with a
couple of dozen plants to supply friends and family with pot as well as

turn
a small profit... which is funnelled back into the market. A very few
are
big commercial run grow-ops backed by the criminal enterprises.

CM








DSK March 15th 05 11:03 PM

Capt. Mooron wrote:
I know... the good lord intended for us to grow and smoke it for free.....
yet these devil worshippers insist on charging for a product most people are
too lazy to grow themselves.

The heathen *******s should burn in the Lava Lakes!


You're talking about wheat & corn, right?

DSK


Capt. Mooron March 16th 05 12:00 AM


"DSK" wrote in message

You're talking about wheat & corn, right?


Of course.... especially corn for the ethanol content.

CM



Scout March 16th 05 01:46 AM

$54/hour to work at my kitchen table. Yes, it sure is hell.
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Schematics in autocad!

How stone age!

You are in hell!

Amen!

Bob Crantz

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Scotty,
I've worked 3 jobs for the past 20 years in order to put myself, my wife

and
kids through college (6 undergrad and 2 grad degrees). You already know

what
my day job is. At night, I draw electrical schematics in AutoCAD and

program
ddc graphics for Honeywell. On the weekends I have what has turned into a
cushy job operating a power plant (sounds better than boiler room).
I used to open the boilers and work all the mechanical projects, but on

the
midnight shift I just watch gauges, flip switches, open and close valves,
and read read read. Oh, and sometimes I come on here to make a little
trouble. Pathetic, eh?
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That's always been my contention, unions were needed back then, and
they worked . unfortunately they've gone too far in a lot of cases.
Why are you up at 0400?








Bob Crantz March 16th 05 03:17 AM

At $54 an hour Honeywell is getting a sweet deal. Their overhead costs would
put you in the $125-175 / hr range.

Are you paying omissions insurance for that work? Do you have a hold
harmless or indemnification agreement for the work? Do you know what
liability insurance for programmers cost? You aren't doing this work as an
individual are you?

It's all sweet, until something goes wrong. Hopefully you won't be paying
with your personal assets.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
$54/hour to work at my kitchen table. Yes, it sure is hell.
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Schematics in autocad!

How stone age!

You are in hell!

Amen!

Bob Crantz

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Scotty,
I've worked 3 jobs for the past 20 years in order to put myself, my

wife
and
kids through college (6 undergrad and 2 grad degrees). You already know

what
my day job is. At night, I draw electrical schematics in AutoCAD and

program
ddc graphics for Honeywell. On the weekends I have what has turned into

a
cushy job operating a power plant (sounds better than boiler room).
I used to open the boilers and work all the mechanical projects, but on

the
midnight shift I just watch gauges, flip switches, open and close

valves,
and read read read. Oh, and sometimes I come on here to make a little
trouble. Pathetic, eh?
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That's always been my contention, unions were needed back then, and
they worked . unfortunately they've gone too far in a lot of cases.
Why are you up at 0400?









Horvath March 16th 05 03:56 AM

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:01:11 -0500, DSK wrote
this crap:

He also claimed that you shouldn't own more than you can carry.


Do you disagree?



Horvath wrote:
You are a liar.


Asking a question makes me a liar?


Everything you post is a lie.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Horvath March 16th 05 03:57 AM

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:03:47 -0500, DSK wrote
this crap:


You're talking about wheat & corn, right?



You're lying.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Jonathan Ganz March 16th 05 07:25 AM

Doug, Horass is an idiot. Just about everyone else does.

In article ,
DSK wrote:
He also claimed that you shouldn't own more than you can carry.


Do you disagree?



Horvath wrote:
You are a liar.


Asking a question makes me a liar?

Do you disagree with Heinlein's premise that one should not own more
than you can carry? Personally, I don't follow it literally but I think
it's a good principle.

Oh and BTW, I didn't see your name in the winner's list from Key West? I
thought you were the big-time Champion of Champions among PHRF racers?

DSK



--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."


Scout March 16th 05 09:59 AM

Good points Bob.
I don't work directly for Honeywell, but through a dealer. Since I
tele-commute, I am able to keep overhead down to almost nothing. They like
the numbers and I'm ok with them too; enough is as good as a feast.

I do carry liability insurance and have done so for 25 years. In addition, I
work for only one contractor, and they insist that all designs and drawings
be approved and stamped by their engineers before they are issued to
clients.

I first started my business as a mechanical sub-contractor 2+ decades ago,
and incorporated at that time. In 1990, while working at a construction
site, I broke my back and I was immobile for 6 months. I used that time to
learn programming. Those new skills merged nicely with what I already knew
about the trade, and things progressed rather naturally into a modest side
business. I've been offered more money to join a design team, but I like the
scenario I'm in now too much to tamper with it.

Honeywell provides basic wiring schematics and technical support to the
electricians. They install the network and interface equipment, do the
start-ups, and make hand drawings and notes (as-builts), which they then
scan and fax or email to me at home. I convert hand drawings to AutoCAD,
receive (emailed) building drawings from architects and modify to show
busses and other equipment locations. (I was also doing the graphics
programming, but the volume of work was more than I could handle without
hiring someone.) I email or fax data in and out. Finally, I submit a request
for payment and the contractor deposits the money directly into my bank. I
never have to leave the house, although I try to visit all local jobsites.

My retirement plan includes doing all this from a sailboat. I wonder if I
can write off the boat as a floating office.
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
At $54 an hour Honeywell is getting a sweet deal. Their overhead costs
would
put you in the $125-175 / hr range.

Are you paying omissions insurance for that work? Do you have a hold
harmless or indemnification agreement for the work? Do you know what
liability insurance for programmers cost? You aren't doing this work as
an
individual are you?

It's all sweet, until something goes wrong. Hopefully you won't be paying
with your personal assets.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
$54/hour to work at my kitchen table. Yes, it sure is hell.
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Schematics in autocad!

How stone age!

You are in hell!

Amen!

Bob Crantz

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Scotty,
I've worked 3 jobs for the past 20 years in order to put myself, my

wife
and
kids through college (6 undergrad and 2 grad degrees). You already
know
what
my day job is. At night, I draw electrical schematics in AutoCAD and
program
ddc graphics for Honeywell. On the weekends I have what has turned
into

a
cushy job operating a power plant (sounds better than boiler room).
I used to open the boilers and work all the mechanical projects, but
on
the
midnight shift I just watch gauges, flip switches, open and close

valves,
and read read read. Oh, and sometimes I come on here to make a little
trouble. Pathetic, eh?
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That's always been my contention, unions were needed back then, and
they worked . unfortunately they've gone too far in a lot of cases.
Why are you up at 0400?











Scott Vernon March 16th 05 01:00 PM


"Scout" wrote

My retirement plan includes doing all this from a sailboat. I wonder

if I
can write off the boat as a floating office.
Scout



Should be like an in home office, where you can deduct a portion of
it.

Scotty




Bob Crantz March 16th 05 02:15 PM

Sounds like you have a good set up.

Don't make a full deduction for the home office, it will raise IRS flags,
especially if you don't have a space solely dedicated to the work. Another
IRS test is how much of your income, percentage wise, comes from your home
business? Do deduct for electricity, heat, travel, flowers, food, etc.

The best thing about your situation is that you are not involved in the day
to day soap opera at the office. You do your work, you're done. Office
politics and shennigans can ruin otherwise great work. You don't have to
deal with people's personality disorders 8+ hours a day. Stay at home.

Those engineer stamps are a liability firewall, and to a lesser degree,
customer sign offs. Autocad is fine for those type of schematics, you aren't
fabricating any circuit boards or the like from them.

Sounds like you work all the time. What do you do for fun? Does the steam
plant have a Hagan Control board? Like Doug, I once worked in a 1350 psi
steam plant. Two boilers, D type. I spend my spare time fantasizing aboutr
Katysails.

Amen!

Bob Crantz


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Good points Bob.
I don't work directly for Honeywell, but through a dealer. Since I
tele-commute, I am able to keep overhead down to almost nothing. They like
the numbers and I'm ok with them too; enough is as good as a feast.

I do carry liability insurance and have done so for 25 years. In addition,

I
work for only one contractor, and they insist that all designs and

drawings
be approved and stamped by their engineers before they are issued to
clients.

I first started my business as a mechanical sub-contractor 2+ decades ago,
and incorporated at that time. In 1990, while working at a construction
site, I broke my back and I was immobile for 6 months. I used that time to
learn programming. Those new skills merged nicely with what I already knew
about the trade, and things progressed rather naturally into a modest side
business. I've been offered more money to join a design team, but I like

the
scenario I'm in now too much to tamper with it.

Honeywell provides basic wiring schematics and technical support to the
electricians. They install the network and interface equipment, do the
start-ups, and make hand drawings and notes (as-builts), which they then
scan and fax or email to me at home. I convert hand drawings to AutoCAD,
receive (emailed) building drawings from architects and modify to show
busses and other equipment locations. (I was also doing the graphics
programming, but the volume of work was more than I could handle without
hiring someone.) I email or fax data in and out. Finally, I submit a

request
for payment and the contractor deposits the money directly into my bank. I
never have to leave the house, although I try to visit all local jobsites.

My retirement plan includes doing all this from a sailboat. I wonder if I
can write off the boat as a floating office.
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
At $54 an hour Honeywell is getting a sweet deal. Their overhead costs
would
put you in the $125-175 / hr range.

Are you paying omissions insurance for that work? Do you have a hold
harmless or indemnification agreement for the work? Do you know what
liability insurance for programmers cost? You aren't doing this work as
an
individual are you?

It's all sweet, until something goes wrong. Hopefully you won't be

paying
with your personal assets.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
$54/hour to work at my kitchen table. Yes, it sure is hell.
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Schematics in autocad!

How stone age!

You are in hell!

Amen!

Bob Crantz

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Scotty,
I've worked 3 jobs for the past 20 years in order to put myself, my

wife
and
kids through college (6 undergrad and 2 grad degrees). You already
know
what
my day job is. At night, I draw electrical schematics in AutoCAD and
program
ddc graphics for Honeywell. On the weekends I have what has turned
into

a
cushy job operating a power plant (sounds better than boiler room).
I used to open the boilers and work all the mechanical projects, but
on
the
midnight shift I just watch gauges, flip switches, open and close

valves,
and read read read. Oh, and sometimes I come on here to make a

little
trouble. Pathetic, eh?
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That's always been my contention, unions were needed back then,

and
they worked . unfortunately they've gone too far in a lot of

cases.
Why are you up at 0400?













Capt. Mooron March 16th 05 05:15 PM

Wow! Thanks Bob... I've saved that file to my "Nifty Bumper Stickers" file!

CM

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:x4qZd.31221$i6.23950@edtnps90...

"Donal" wrote in message

Do you think that you have a "human right" to an income that allows
expensive
holidays on an annual basis?


If they want my services for that duration.... Yes!... and most likely
even more in bonuses!

Which by the way I usually negotiate without union interference.

CM








Martin Baxter March 16th 05 05:24 PM

Bob Crantz wrote:
Autocad is fine for those type of schematics, you aren't
fabricating any circuit boards or the like from them.


Get Orcad! Bob, your work will go twenty times as fast. I wouldn't hire anybody to draw schematics
in AutoCad; I'd figure I was paying to much for their time.

Cheers
Marty


Bob Crantz March 16th 05 10:27 PM

I use Cadence.Amen!
Bob Crantz

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Bob Crantz wrote:
Autocad is fine for those type of schematics, you aren't
fabricating any circuit boards or the like from them.


Get Orcad! Bob, your work will go twenty times as fast. I wouldn't hire

anybody to draw schematics
in AutoCad; I'd figure I was paying to much for their time.

Cheers
Marty




Scout March 16th 05 10:48 PM

"Bob Crantz" wrote
Sounds like you have a good set up.
Don't make a full deduction for the home office, it will raise IRS flags,
especially if you don't have a space solely dedicated to the work. Another
IRS test is how much of your income, percentage wise, comes from your home
business? Do deduct for electricity, heat, travel, flowers, food, etc.


Yes, I use a factor of 15% for home and utility costs. Since it's part time,
I don't want to push it too hard.

The best thing about your situation is that you are not involved in the
day
to day soap opera at the office. You do your work, you're done. Office
politics and shennigans can ruin otherwise great work. You don't have to
deal with people's personality disorders 8+ hours a day. Stay at home.


AMEN! I love that and working in my underwear. Of course, asa fills my need
for daily distraction and drama.


Those engineer stamps are a liability firewall, and to a lesser degree,
customer sign offs. Autocad is fine for those type of schematics, you
aren't
fabricating any circuit boards or the like from them.

Yes, there are faster programs out there, but the contractor has supplied me
with AutoCAD 2000 and asked me to use it. Previously, we've used Drafix,
Designer 3.x and 4, AutoCAD Lt, and an MS product whose name has slipped my
mind.

Sounds like you work all the time. What do you do for fun? Does the steam
plant have a Hagan Control board? Like Doug, I once worked in a 1350 psi
steam plant. Two boilers, D type. I spend my spare time fantasizing aboutr
Katysails.

The boiler room is small. 4 low pressure (100 psig) fire tubes (3 Superiors
and 1 Power-Master), each 350 HP; and 2,000 tons in centrifugal chillers.
Nothing fancy. But we take good care of them and they still look new when we
open them up every year (they were built in 1953). Same year as Katy?



JR Gilbreath March 16th 05 10:54 PM

Hey Scout
I hope you are banking a good part of your part-time earnings, You
will need it if you get audited. One of the tests for a home office
deduction is that the space is not used for anything else. I doubt that
your kitchen table would pass that one.
JR

Scout wrote:
"Bob Crantz" wrote

Sounds like you have a good set up.
Don't make a full deduction for the home office, it will raise IRS flags,
especially if you don't have a space solely dedicated to the work. Another
IRS test is how much of your income, percentage wise, comes from your home
business? Do deduct for electricity, heat, travel, flowers, food, etc.



Yes, I use a factor of 15% for home and utility costs. Since it's part time,
I don't want to push it too hard.


The best thing about your situation is that you are not involved in the
day
to day soap opera at the office. You do your work, you're done. Office
politics and shennigans can ruin otherwise great work. You don't have to
deal with people's personality disorders 8+ hours a day. Stay at home.



AMEN! I love that and working in my underwear. Of course, asa fills my need
for daily distraction and drama.



Those engineer stamps are a liability firewall, and to a lesser degree,
customer sign offs. Autocad is fine for those type of schematics, you
aren't
fabricating any circuit boards or the like from them.


Yes, there are faster programs out there, but the contractor has supplied me
with AutoCAD 2000 and asked me to use it. Previously, we've used Drafix,
Designer 3.x and 4, AutoCAD Lt, and an MS product whose name has slipped my
mind.


Sounds like you work all the time. What do you do for fun? Does the steam
plant have a Hagan Control board? Like Doug, I once worked in a 1350 psi
steam plant. Two boilers, D type. I spend my spare time fantasizing aboutr
Katysails.


The boiler room is small. 4 low pressure (100 psig) fire tubes (3 Superiors
and 1 Power-Master), each 350 HP; and 2,000 tons in centrifugal chillers.
Nothing fancy. But we take good care of them and they still look new when we
open them up every year (they were built in 1953). Same year as Katy?



Scout March 16th 05 11:14 PM

Thanks JR,
but with my equipment covering the entire table, and a few smaller tables
around it, I don't expect any IRS problems. We eat at the dining room table!
Scout

"JR Gilbreath" wrote in message
. ..
Hey Scout
I hope you are banking a good part of your part-time earnings, You will
need it if you get audited. One of the tests for a home office deduction
is that the space is not used for anything else. I doubt that your
kitchen table would pass that one.
JR

Scout wrote:
"Bob Crantz" wrote

Sounds like you have a good set up.
Don't make a full deduction for the home office, it will raise IRS flags,
especially if you don't have a space solely dedicated to the work.
Another
IRS test is how much of your income, percentage wise, comes from your
home
business? Do deduct for electricity, heat, travel, flowers, food, etc.



Yes, I use a factor of 15% for home and utility costs. Since it's part
time, I don't want to push it too hard.


The best thing about your situation is that you are not involved in the
day
to day soap opera at the office. You do your work, you're done. Office
politics and shennigans can ruin otherwise great work. You don't have to
deal with people's personality disorders 8+ hours a day. Stay at home.



AMEN! I love that and working in my underwear. Of course, asa fills my
need for daily distraction and drama.



Those engineer stamps are a liability firewall, and to a lesser degree,
customer sign offs. Autocad is fine for those type of schematics, you
aren't
fabricating any circuit boards or the like from them.


Yes, there are faster programs out there, but the contractor has supplied
me with AutoCAD 2000 and asked me to use it. Previously, we've used
Drafix, Designer 3.x and 4, AutoCAD Lt, and an MS product whose name has
slipped my mind.


Sounds like you work all the time. What do you do for fun? Does the steam
plant have a Hagan Control board? Like Doug, I once worked in a 1350 psi
steam plant. Two boilers, D type. I spend my spare time fantasizing
aboutr
Katysails.


The boiler room is small. 4 low pressure (100 psig) fire tubes (3
Superiors and 1 Power-Master), each 350 HP; and 2,000 tons in centrifugal
chillers. Nothing fancy. But we take good care of them and they still
look new when we open them up every year (they were built in 1953). Same
year as Katy?



katysails March 17th 05 12:20 AM

Take clients out in it and write it off as an expense....get your sails
printed with your company logo and write them off as advertising...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Scout" wrote

My retirement plan includes doing all this from a sailboat. I wonder

if I
can write off the boat as a floating office.
Scout



Should be like an in home office, where you can deduct a portion of
it.

Scotty






Martin Baxter March 17th 05 12:47 PM

Bob Crantz wrote:

I use Cadence.


I thought that was a magazine?

Cheers
Marty



Capt. Mooron March 17th 05 05:17 PM


"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Bob Crantz wrote:

I use Cadence.


I thought that was a magazine?


No... that's "Cannabis".




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