Donal,
No wonder my Irish ancestors left you behind.
When they arrived in America, America took a big **** on them. They worked
the coal mines for less than their daily bread. When they'd had enough,
they stood up for themselves, fought for fair wages, and made such a stink
that even the president of the US took note and began to make changes in the
law to protect the working man. A lot of blood got spilled but they figured
if they were gonna die, it would be at the end of a gun and not by
starvation.
Now you and others here are trying to say that people are all nicey nice,
and the laws wouldn't allow that to happen today. RIGHT! That's why business
is moving over seas, so they can treat those people like ****, the way big
business treated Americans 100 years ago, and less. This mentality of screw
the little guy will bite them in the ass when the little guys get together
and start cutting frigging heads off.
And by the way, the mentality of "the worker gets **** while the
sales-businessman gets all the profit" is what got the Jews hated in
Germany. I have a copy of an 1895 encyclopedia I'd love to share with you in
which it discusses the "growing" problem between German craftsman and Jewish
business owners. It's really quite interesting, considering when it was
written.
Scout

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be outlawed.

Most labour unions seem to think that people should get paid even if they
don't produce anything. If labour unions had their way, then the American
Dream would collapse in no time at all.

Labour Unions and Prosperity are mutually exclusive.


Are you some sort of communist, Bob?




Regards


Donal
--

Capital will always flow to where it will produce the highest returns. The
influx of capital will always raise the standard of living of those in the
region to which it flows. The premise, of course, is that the capital is
managed by those who created it or their agents by choice.
The penalty for driving capital away is a lowering of living standard.

As far as laws go, they don't protect much. They offer a little protection
for the low wage hourly worker and that is all. You should see the white
collar slavery that presently goes on in this country. 80 hour workweeks
demanded (40 hours pay), employees pitted against one another for raises, on
the job injuries/ illnesses counted against you, no training, no tools, etc,
I could go on and on. I remind you that these employees are regarded as
"professionals".

I doubt you will ever see the hatred built up against the Jews come up again
against any group that controls capital. The reason being that it is very
easy today to move your money. The Jews were stuck in Germany.

Organized labor did do quite a bit in creating a safe, uniform and fair work
environment. The intent of business is not to treat people poorly, it is to
make money. Unfortunately, people of very small mentalities dedicate their
lives solely to work and rise in a corporation. It is there that they use
their positions to fill every crevice of their personality disorders or
mental problems. These are the people that make business look bad. There are
many, many businesses that treat their people well and the employees are
very loyal. These are typically the most successful of businesses. They know
how to treat human capital.

Amen!

Jimmy Hoffa burns in hell!

Bob Crantz




"Scout" wrote in message
...
Donal,
No wonder my Irish ancestors left you behind.
When they arrived in America, America took a big **** on them. They worked
the coal mines for less than their daily bread. When they'd had enough,
they stood up for themselves, fought for fair wages, and made such a stink
that even the president of the US took note and began to make changes in
the
law to protect the working man. A lot of blood got spilled but they
figured
if they were gonna die, it would be at the end of a gun and not by
starvation.
Now you and others here are trying to say that people are all nicey nice,
and the laws wouldn't allow that to happen today. RIGHT! That's why
business
is moving over seas, so they can treat those people like ****, the way big
business treated Americans 100 years ago, and less. This mentality of
screw
the little guy will bite them in the ass when the little guys get together
and start cutting frigging heads off.
And by the way, the mentality of "the worker gets **** while the
sales-businessman gets all the profit" is what got the Jews hated in
Germany. I have a copy of an 1895 encyclopedia I'd love to share with you
in
which it discusses the "growing" problem between German craftsman and
Jewish
business owners. It's really quite interesting, considering when it was
written.
Scout

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor
unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be
outlawed.

Most labour unions seem to think that people should get paid even if
they
don't produce anything. If labour unions had their way, then the
American
Dream would collapse in no time at all.

Labour Unions and Prosperity are mutually exclusive.


Are you some sort of communist, Bob?




Regards


Donal
--

"Bob Crantz" wrote
Capital will always flow to where it will produce the highest returns. The
influx of capital will always raise the standard of living of those in the
region to which it flows.

Yea, well tell that to the West Virginia coal miners of the late 1800s.

The problem often is that the owners of a business do not manage it. The
managament is done by a special group of employees called "managers" or
"bean counters". They manage it to benefit themselves, not the owners
(shareholders) and certainly not the workers. Unions counterbalance these
oft-dishonest people. Look at the scandals!

That's always been my contention, unions were needed back then, and
they worked . unfortunately they've gone too far in a lot of cases.
Why are you up at 0400?

Scotty


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Donal,
No wonder my Irish ancestors left you behind.
When they arrived in America, America took a big **** on them. They
worked
the coal mines for less than their daily bread. When they'd had
enough,
they stood up for themselves, fought for fair wages, and made such a
stink
that even the president of the US took note and began to make
changes in the
law to protect the working man. A lot of blood got spilled but they
figured
if they were gonna die, it would be at the end of a gun and not by
starvation.
Now you and others here are trying to say that people are all nicey
nice,
and the laws wouldn't allow that to happen today. RIGHT! That's why
business
is moving over seas, so they can treat those people like ****, the
way big
business treated Americans 100 years ago, and less. This mentality
of screw
the little guy will bite them in the ass when the little guys get
together
and start cutting frigging heads off.
And by the way, the mentality of "the worker gets **** while the
sales-businessman gets all the profit" is what got the Jews hated in
Germany. I have a copy of an 1895 encyclopedia I'd love to share
with you in
which it discusses the "growing" problem between German craftsman
and Jewish
business owners. It's really quite interesting, considering when it
was
written.
Scout

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor
unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be
outlawed.

Most labour unions seem to think that people should get paid even
if they
don't produce anything. If labour unions had their way, then the
American
Dream would collapse in no time at all.

Labour Unions and Prosperity are mutually exclusive.


Are you some sort of communist, Bob?




Regards


Donal
--

Scotty,
I've worked 3 jobs for the past 20 years in order to put myself, my wife and
kids through college (6 undergrad and 2 grad degrees). You already know what
my day job is. At night, I draw electrical schematics in AutoCAD and program
ddc graphics for Honeywell. On the weekends I have what has turned into a
cushy job operating a power plant (sounds better than boiler room).
I used to open the boilers and work all the mechanical projects, but on the
midnight shift I just watch gauges, flip switches, open and close valves,
and read read read. Oh, and sometimes I come on here to make a little
trouble. Pathetic, eh?
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That's always been my contention, unions were needed back then, and
they worked . unfortunately they've gone too far in a lot of cases.
Why are you up at 0400?

You're not at Limerick, are you? Which trash-to-steam plants have you
been at? Back in the '70s -'80s
I delivered a lot of 'bag houses' and other equipment to TTS plants.

Scotty


"Scout" wrote in message
news
Scotty,
I've worked 3 jobs for the past 20 years in order to put myself, my
wife and
kids through college (6 undergrad and 2 grad degrees). You already
know what
my day job is. At night, I draw electrical schematics in AutoCAD and
program
ddc graphics for Honeywell. On the weekends I have what has turned
into a
cushy job operating a power plant (sounds better than boiler room).
I used to open the boilers and work all the mechanical projects, but
on the
midnight shift I just watch gauges, flip switches, open and close
valves,
and read read read. Oh, and sometimes I come on here to make a
little
trouble. Pathetic, eh?
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That's always been my contention, unions were needed back then,
and
they worked . unfortunately they've gone too far in a lot of
cases.
Why are you up at 0400?

I'm out of the nuclear gen stations now (Limerick and Peach Bottom). My last
official duty at Limerick was to escort some roofers who were patching some
penetrations we made for a cooling tower. We couldn't find a roofer who
could pass the **** test and get security clearance, so I had to baby sit
them. A real pita.
TTS experience is local (Grows in Fall Twp). Also did some work for
U.S.Steel and Rohm and Haas in this area. But most of my work was downtown
Phila (hospitals, high rises, etc).
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
You're not at Limerick, are you? Which trash-to-steam plants have you
been at? Back in the '70s -'80s
I delivered a lot of 'bag houses' and other equipment to TTS plants.

Scotty


"Scout" wrote in message
news
Scotty,
I've worked 3 jobs for the past 20 years in order to put myself, my
wife and
kids through college (6 undergrad and 2 grad degrees). You already
know what
my day job is. At night, I draw electrical schematics in AutoCAD and
program
ddc graphics for Honeywell. On the weekends I have what has turned
into a
cushy job operating a power plant (sounds better than boiler room).
I used to open the boilers and work all the mechanical projects, but
on the
midnight shift I just watch gauges, flip switches, open and close
valves,
and read read read. Oh, and sometimes I come on here to make a
little
trouble. Pathetic, eh?
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That's always been my contention, unions were needed back then,
and
they worked . unfortunately they've gone too far in a lot of
cases.
Why are you up at 0400?

Schematics in autocad!

How stone age!

You are in hell!

Amen!

Bob Crantz

"Scout" wrote in message
news
Scotty,
I've worked 3 jobs for the past 20 years in order to put myself, my wife
and
kids through college (6 undergrad and 2 grad degrees). You already know
what
my day job is. At night, I draw electrical schematics in AutoCAD and
program
ddc graphics for Honeywell. On the weekends I have what has turned into a
cushy job operating a power plant (sounds better than boiler room).
I used to open the boilers and work all the mechanical projects, but on
the
midnight shift I just watch gauges, flip switches, open and close valves,
and read read read. Oh, and sometimes I come on here to make a little
trouble. Pathetic, eh?
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That's always been my contention, unions were needed back then, and
they worked . unfortunately they've gone too far in a lot of cases.
Why are you up at 0400?

$54/hour to work at my kitchen table. Yes, it sure is hell.
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Schematics in autocad!

How stone age!

You are in hell!

Amen!

Bob Crantz

"Scout" wrote in message
news
Scotty,
I've worked 3 jobs for the past 20 years in order to put myself, my wife
and
kids through college (6 undergrad and 2 grad degrees). You already know
what
my day job is. At night, I draw electrical schematics in AutoCAD and
program
ddc graphics for Honeywell. On the weekends I have what has turned into a
cushy job operating a power plant (sounds better than boiler room).
I used to open the boilers and work all the mechanical projects, but on
the
midnight shift I just watch gauges, flip switches, open and close valves,
and read read read. Oh, and sometimes I come on here to make a little
trouble. Pathetic, eh?
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That's always been my contention, unions were needed back then, and
they worked . unfortunately they've gone too far in a lot of cases.
Why are you up at 0400?

At $54 an hour Honeywell is getting a sweet deal. Their overhead costs would
put you in the $125-175 / hr range.

Are you paying omissions insurance for that work? Do you have a hold
harmless or indemnification agreement for the work? Do you know what
liability insurance for programmers cost? You aren't doing this work as an
individual are you?

It's all sweet, until something goes wrong. Hopefully you won't be paying
with your personal assets.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
$54/hour to work at my kitchen table. Yes, it sure is hell.
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Schematics in autocad!

How stone age!

You are in hell!

Amen!

Bob Crantz

"Scout" wrote in message
news
Scotty,
I've worked 3 jobs for the past 20 years in order to put myself, my
wife
and
kids through college (6 undergrad and 2 grad degrees). You already know
what
my day job is. At night, I draw electrical schematics in AutoCAD and
program
ddc graphics for Honeywell. On the weekends I have what has turned into
a
cushy job operating a power plant (sounds better than boiler room).
I used to open the boilers and work all the mechanical projects, but on
the
midnight shift I just watch gauges, flip switches, open and close
valves,
and read read read. Oh, and sometimes I come on here to make a little
trouble. Pathetic, eh?
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
That's always been my contention, unions were needed back then, and
they worked . unfortunately they've gone too far in a lot of cases.
Why are you up at 0400?