Schematics in autocad!

How stone age!

You are in hell!

Amen!

Bob Crantz

"Scout" wrote in message
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Scotty,
I've worked 3 jobs for the past 20 years in order to put myself, my wife
and
kids through college (6 undergrad and 2 grad degrees). You already know
what
my day job is. At night, I draw electrical schematics in AutoCAD and
program
ddc graphics for Honeywell. On the weekends I have what has turned into a
cushy job operating a power plant (sounds better than boiler room).
I used to open the boilers and work all the mechanical projects, but on
the
midnight shift I just watch gauges, flip switches, open and close valves,
and read read read. Oh, and sometimes I come on here to make a little
trouble. Pathetic, eh?
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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That's always been my contention, unions were needed back then, and
they worked . unfortunately they've gone too far in a lot of cases.
Why are you up at 0400?

"Scout" wrote in message
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Donal,
No wonder my Irish ancestors left you behind.
When they arrived in America, America took a big **** on them. They worked
the coal mines for less than their daily bread. When they'd had enough,
they stood up for themselves, fought for fair wages, and made such a stink
that even the president of the US took note and began to make changes in
the
law to protect the working man. A lot of blood got spilled but they
figured
if they were gonna die, it would be at the end of a gun and not by
starvation.
Now you and others here are trying to say that people are all nicey nice,
and the laws wouldn't allow that to happen today. RIGHT!

Yes, I would say that it cannot happen today.

When the unions came into existence, workers had no rights at all. 11 year
old boys were being sent up chimneys. Adults worked long hours in dangerous
factories for a pittance. By the 1960's most of the reasons for the unions'
existence were gone. However, the unions carried on fighting and destroyed
themselves in the process. During the 60's and 70's the unions wrecked
Britian's manufacturing industries, which were also seeing costs rise as a
result of the demise of the Empire. This destruction of manufacturing also
meant that union membership collapsed.

As all this was happening, the unions carried on fighting. Why??
Simple - the leadership had to keep the members feeling that they were
being abused, otherwise the membership would dwindle. "On the backs of the
discontented shall ye climb into power."

Then Maggie came to power, and she took the unions head on. She fought them
for 10 years, and eventually won. However, she carried on fighting and
destroyed her party in the process.



That's why business
is moving over seas, so they can treat those people like ****, the way big
business treated Americans 100 years ago, and less.

Businesses move overseas so that they can survive. They look for ways of
reducing their costs when competition gets tough.

If you want to stop this happening, then you should only buy US made
products even it that means that you will pay more.

This mentality of screw
the little guy will bite them in the ass when the little guys get together
and start cutting frigging heads off.

And by the way, the mentality of "the worker gets **** while the
sales-businessman gets all the profit" is what got the Jews hated in
Germany. I have a copy of an 1895 encyclopedia I'd love to share with you
in
which it discusses the "growing" problem between German craftsman and
Jewish
business owners. It's really quite interesting, considering when it was
written.

It isn't just Jews that tend to own businesses. Immigrants of any type are
more likely to set up in business. The reason is very simple. Immigrants
don't feel as secure as the rest of the population. They have to take
control of their own lives, because they don't have family or friends to
help. So they will tend to save for a rainy day.



Regards


Donal
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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be outlawed.

Most labour unions seem to think that people should get paid even if they
don't produce anything. If labour unions had their way, then the American
Dream would collapse in no time at all.

Bwahaahhahahhahahhaha. Funny, most indicators of prosperity in the US have
been declining steadily over the last 20 years or so, coinciding very nicely
with the decline in................drumroll please............Union
membership. Are you some sort of fascist, Donal? Somewhat ironic, you could
exchange the word "labor union" for "CEO" and come up with a statement that
more correctly reflects reality with the addendum, "don't produce anything
and drive the business into the ground and get a huge bonus".

John Cairns



Labour Unions and Prosperity are mutually exclusive.


Are you some sort of communist, Bob?




Regards


Donal
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"John Cairns" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be
outlawed.

Most labour unions seem to think that people should get paid even if they
don't produce anything. If labour unions had their way, then the
American
Dream would collapse in no time at all.

Bwahaahhahahhahahhaha. Funny, most indicators of prosperity in the US have
been declining steadily over the last 20 years or so, coinciding very
nicely with the decline in................drumroll please............Union
membership. Are you some sort of fascist, Donal? Somewhat ironic, you
could exchange the word "labor union" for "CEO" and come up with a
statement that more correctly reflects reality with the addendum, "don't
produce anything and drive the business into the ground and get a huge
bonus".

John Cairns

HERE HERE - Well said!
Scout

"Scout" wrote in message
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"John Cairns" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor
unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be
outlawed.

Most labour unions seem to think that people should get paid even if
they
don't produce anything. If labour unions had their way, then the
American
Dream would collapse in no time at all.

Bwahaahhahahhahahhaha. Funny, most indicators of prosperity in the US
have
been declining steadily over the last 20 years or so, coinciding very
nicely with the decline in................drumroll
please............Union
membership. Are you some sort of fascist, Donal? Somewhat ironic, you
could exchange the word "labor union" for "CEO" and come up with a
statement that more correctly reflects reality with the addendum, "don't
produce anything and drive the business into the ground and get a huge
bonus".

John Cairns

HERE HERE - Well said!
Scout

How many jobs have created with your own self-funded time or effort?

How many jobs have you had?


Can't you see the hypocrisy?


Regards


Donal
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"John Cairns" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor
unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be
outlawed.

Most labour unions seem to think that people should get paid even if
they
don't produce anything. If labour unions had their way, then the
American
Dream would collapse in no time at all.

Bwahaahhahahhahahhaha. Funny, most indicators of prosperity in the US have
been declining steadily over the last 20 years or so, coinciding very
nicely
with the decline in................drumroll please............Union
membership.

It also coincides very nicely with an increase in government interference in
the way that businesses are run. Over here, anti discrimination laws mean
that job application forms may not ask about marital status, physical
ability or date of birth.

A friend of mine has a small business that provides supplies for window
cleaners. A local government inspector recently made him spend $1,500.00
fitting a "disabled bathroom" in his premises. How many disabled window
cleaners do you know?


Are you some sort of fascist, Donal? Somewhat ironic, you could
exchange the word "labor union" for "CEO" and come up with a statement
that
more correctly reflects reality with the addendum, "don't produce anything
and drive the business into the ground and get a huge bonus".


That is a typical socialist viewpoint. 95% of "CEO's" are small
businessmen, who don't earn huge bonuses.

Look around you! Look at the little shops, the gas stations, the boatyards
and all the other small businesses that provide employment for the
ungrateful masses. You would happily saddle all these businesses with
additional costs without any thought for the financial cost, or the time
that the owner must invest, so that your utopian view of life could be
maintained. The reality is that increased costs slow down growth. You
cannot hire more people if you are spending the cash on bathrooms for the,
non-existant, disabled.


So, you think that I'm a fascist!! Somewhat ironic, since I bet that you
have never been directly responsible for the creation of a single job. Do
you think that you have a "human right" to an income that allows expensive
holidays on an annual basis?



Regards


Donal
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"Donal" wrote in message

Do you think that you have a "human right" to an income that allows
expensive
holidays on an annual basis?

If they want my services for that duration.... Yes!... and most likely
even more in bonuses!

Which by the way I usually negotiate without union interference.

CM

"Donal" wrote in message
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A friend of mine has a small business that provides supplies for
window
cleaners. A local government inspector recently made him spend
$1,500.00
fitting a "disabled bathroom" in his premises. How many disabled
window
cleaners do you know?


Some of the bigger truckstops have 1 or 2 handicapped truck parking
spaces.
Give me a break!

SV

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

Some of the bigger truckstops have 1 or 2 handicapped truck parking
spaces.
Give me a break!

Short Haul... Bad Heart??? Don't you guys have rigerous physicals on an
annual basis?

CM

A pure lie. Average wealth has increased.


"John Cairns" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote in message
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
Compare the Canadian marajuana violence with the actions of labor
unions
in
the United States. Using the same logic, labor unions should be
outlawed.

Most labour unions seem to think that people should get paid even if
they
don't produce anything. If labour unions had their way, then the
American
Dream would collapse in no time at all.

Bwahaahhahahhahahhaha. Funny, most indicators of prosperity in the US have
been declining steadily over the last 20 years or so, coinciding very
nicely
with the decline in................drumroll please............Union
membership. Are you some sort of fascist, Donal? Somewhat ironic, you
could
exchange the word "labor union" for "CEO" and come up with a statement
that
more correctly reflects reality with the addendum, "don't produce anything
and drive the business into the ground and get a huge bonus".

John Cairns



Labour Unions and Prosperity are mutually exclusive.


Are you some sort of communist, Bob?




Regards


Donal
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