On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:53:16 GMT, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote this crap:

Since it's approaching... well okay it's at least a month and a half away
for some of us... time to consider what approach to use on the vessel's
wood trim this year, I thought I would start the annual ASA wood treatment
thread.

There are those who use Varnish, those who use Cetol, those who use Tung Oil
and some of you that use your own secret recipe.

What is your preferred method and how do you apply the finish?


I rub my woman's 36DD breasts with oil, then I get my wood out, and


Oh crap! Jon-boy is going to follow up with some girlie post.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 13:53:44 -0500, Capt. Neal®
wrote this crap:

Dear Group,

Please allow me to express my opinion of the fanatic care and feeding of trim
wood on sailboats.

1) Those who spend time, effort and dollars on so-called 'brightwork' are more
interested in showing than going. DSK is a good example of this stupidity with
his bragging about all the time his wife spends on the varnishing. Please note
that this maintenance time is down-time.


DSK is lying again, as usual.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

We varnsih...seven-right coats worth...and every 4-5 years the whole shebang
gets sanded all the way down and we start over again...we use Z-Spar 2015
(flagship)...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:w%iXd.9210$ZO2.3913@edtnps84...
Since it's approaching... well okay it's at least a month and a half away
for some of us... time to consider what approach to use on the vessel's
wood trim this year, I thought I would start the annual ASA wood treatment
thread.

There are those who use Varnish, those who use Cetol, those who use Tung
Oil and some of you that use your own secret recipe.

What is your preferred method and how do you apply the finish?

To start of... I have used varnish, and wasn't convinced that the work to
produce such luster was worth the effort of application for one season of
duration. I've even tried cetol and was not impressed with the results on
both occasions. For years I simply used Teak Oil or Tung Oil and kept a
kit aboard for touch ups as required. It's easy to apply and clean up is
no problem. The woodwork shows a nice colour and retains it's texture.
Last season I applied teak oil and let it dry before applying a coat of
clear Behr deck waterproofing, UV inhibitor sealant. It seemed to work
since I had no reason to reapply further teak oil all season. Yet this
year I noticed some greying of the teak... so here I go again. What should
I use this year? Should I just give up and try another Varnish or let the
teak go grey?

CM

ALl in all, a lovely testimony from who's boat was so cheap the manufacturer
cut corners by using plastic trim and moldings rather than teak to trim it
out...But what can we expect from someone who would re-upholster in such a
lubberly color as mauve?

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Dear Group,

Please allow me to express my opinion of the fanatic care and feeding of
trim wood on sailboats.

1) Those who spend time, effort and dollars on so-called 'brightwork' are
more
interested in showing than going. DSK is a good example of this
stupidity with
his bragging about all the time his wife spends on the varnishing.
Please note
that this maintenance time is down-time.

2) If the wood is functional, such as the spreaders on Joe's fine,
blue-water, steel vessel, then, by all means, do take care of this
functional wood in any
manner which preserves it the best. If you like the way several coats
of varnish
looks and don't mind the extra work then use varnish. On the other
hand, if you
are more interested in longevity and protection without the constant
work then
use a quality enamel paint to cover and seal the wood.
3) Teak trim on a sailboat is just that - trim. It is unnecessary and just
makes it so
you need to spend more time maintaining and less time sailing (or
motoring as in the case of DSK). Fools like Doug would rather walk up and
down a dock and criticize the brightwork on other boats and compare it to
theirs than spend time
actually using their boats for the intended purpose which is NOT a
constant, futile, never-ending cycle of brightwork maintenance. Even
allowing his wife
to do the brightwork when Doug states he would rather paint the wood
shows
he is no man.
4) Real sailors replace all wood trim with plastic or they prepare the
wood carefully
one time and then paint it with a quality paint (or they remove it).
If the painted wood is in an area where it can wear (such as foot
traffic, line chafe, etc.), then the wood should be protected with steel.
(Joe is smarter than most of you, face it!) Please check out how I painted
and protected the two pieces of teak that remained on the deck of my fine
vessel. Click on the following link and scroll down toward the middle
where a photo of the companionway hatch is shown (sstrim.jpg) and you'll
note the teak is painted white (with Petit Easypoxy) and protected from
foot traffic by a polished stainless steel strake.
http://captneal.homestead.com/littleperfections.html

5) I have tossed the constantly-rotting, teak, cockpit locker covers and
replaced them with maintenance-free plastic.
http://captneal.homestead.com/bristol.html I will replace the
teak-faced, plywood, companionway washboards with the same white plastic
(Star Board) as soon as they rot out more and become unserviceable.

I will never spend one more dollar or one more minute of my sailing
time varnishing exterior
wood. It is a never-ending waste of time and money. People who spend
any time, whatsoever,
doing their "brightwork" are not sailors but pretenders who show off
their brightwork because they cannot show-off their sailing skills because
they don't have the time to develop any. I find people who have their
priorities all wrong like this totally boring and disgusting.
They impress me about as much as some conceited, fat fool wearing a
bunch of heavy, gold chains around his neck and they share similar
personality traits - all show and no go!
I hope this helps put things in the proper perspective.


Respectfully,
Capt. Neal
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you
didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream. Discover. -- Mark Twain






"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:w%iXd.9210$ZO2.3913@edtnps84...
Since it's approaching... well okay it's at least a month and a half away
for some of us... time to consider what approach to use on the vessel's
wood trim this year, I thought I would start the annual ASA wood
treatment thread.

There are those who use Varnish, those who use Cetol, those who use Tung
Oil and some of you that use your own secret recipe.

What is your preferred method and how do you apply the finish?

To start of... I have used varnish, and wasn't convinced that the work to
produce such luster was worth the effort of application for one season of
duration. I've even tried cetol and was not impressed with the results
on both occasions. For years I simply used Teak Oil or Tung Oil and kept
a kit aboard for touch ups as required. It's easy to apply and clean up
is no problem. The woodwork shows a nice colour and retains it's texture.
Last season I applied teak oil and let it dry before applying a coat of
clear Behr deck waterproofing, UV inhibitor sealant. It seemed to work
since I had no reason to reapply further teak oil all season. Yet this
year I noticed some greying of the teak... so here I go again. What
should I use this year? Should I just give up and try another Varnish or
let the teak go grey?

CM

Must be nice when it's super humid and someone sits on it with white
shorts...

"John Cairns" wrote in message
om...
Heard a new one in Virgin Gorda, gentleman was applying stain only.

John Cairns


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:w%iXd.9210$ZO2.3913@edtnps84...
Since it's approaching... well okay it's at least a month and a half away
for some of us... time to consider what approach to use on the vessel's
wood trim this year, I thought I would start the annual ASA wood
treatment thread.

There are those who use Varnish, those who use Cetol, those who use Tung
Oil and some of you that use your own secret recipe.

What is your preferred method and how do you apply the finish?

To start of... I have used varnish, and wasn't convinced that the work to
produce such luster was worth the effort of application for one season of
duration. I've even tried cetol and was not impressed with the results
on both occasions. For years I simply used Teak Oil or Tung Oil and kept
a kit aboard for touch ups as required. It's easy to apply and clean up
is no problem. The woodwork shows a nice colour and retains it's texture.
Last season I applied teak oil and let it dry before applying a coat of
clear Behr deck waterproofing, UV inhibitor sealant. It seemed to work
since I had no reason to reapply further teak oil all season. Yet this
year I noticed some greying of the teak... so here I go again. What
should I use this year? Should I just give up and try another Varnish or
let the teak go grey?

CM

The gentleman claimed it lasted as long as varnish and of course is much
easier to apply.

John Cairns

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Must be nice when it's super humid and someone sits on it with white
shorts...

"John Cairns" wrote in message
om...
Heard a new one in Virgin Gorda, gentleman was applying stain only.

John Cairns


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:w%iXd.9210$ZO2.3913@edtnps84...
Since it's approaching... well okay it's at least a month and a half
away for some of us... time to consider what approach to use on the
vessel's wood trim this year, I thought I would start the annual ASA
wood treatment thread.

There are those who use Varnish, those who use Cetol, those who use Tung
Oil and some of you that use your own secret recipe.

What is your preferred method and how do you apply the finish?

To start of... I have used varnish, and wasn't convinced that the work
to produce such luster was worth the effort of application for one
season of duration. I've even tried cetol and was not impressed with
the results on both occasions. For years I simply used Teak Oil or Tung
Oil and kept a kit aboard for touch ups as required. It's easy to apply
and clean up is no problem. The woodwork shows a nice colour and retains
it's texture. Last season I applied teak oil and let it dry before
applying a coat of clear Behr deck waterproofing, UV inhibitor sealant.
It seemed to work since I had no reason to reapply further teak oil all
season. Yet this year I noticed some greying of the teak... so here I go
again. What should I use this year? Should I just give up and try
another Varnish or let the teak go grey?

CM

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

Since it's approaching... well okay it's at least a month and a half away
for some of us... time to consider what approach to use on the vessel's
wood trim this year, I thought I would start the annual ASA wood treatment
thread.

There are those who use Varnish, those who use Cetol, those who use Tung
Oil and some of you that use your own secret recipe.

What is your preferred method and how do you apply the finish?

To start of... I have used varnish, and wasn't convinced that the work to
produce such luster was worth the effort of application for one season of
duration. I've even tried cetol and was not impressed with the results on
both occasions. For years I simply used Teak Oil or Tung Oil and kept a
kit aboard for touch ups as required. It's easy to apply and clean up is
no problem. The woodwork shows a nice colour and retains it's texture.
Last season I applied teak oil and let it dry before applying a coat of
clear Behr deck waterproofing, UV inhibitor sealant. It seemed to work
since I had no reason to reapply further teak oil all season. Yet this
year I noticed some greying of the teak... so here I go again. What should
I use this year? Should I just give up and try another Varnish or let the
teak go grey?

You're facing the age-old quandary, Cappy: how to get the appearance of a
multi-coat, hand-rubbed varnish finish with the ease of Cetol or oil.

Bottom line: ain't ever gonna happen.

Either use varnish, or get used to something less attractive.

My advice:

1) If you want a varnish finish, start with bare wood and anyone's long oil
varnish thinned to 50% for penetration. Let dry, then sand smooth. Then
apply three thick coats of Epifanes Gloss Wood Finish without sanding in
between. No sanding is necessary, if you apply subsequent coats within 72
hours. And each coat equals two or three coats of long oil varnish. AND it
is completely compatible with varnish, either long oil or urethane types.
You can even alternate coats between varnish and EGWF, provided you sand
after each varnish coat, but not the EGWF coats, not that anyone would
actually do this. But back to the process: now allow the last (3rd) coat
of EGWF to dry, sand very smooth with 150 grit, 220 grit, and 400 wet/dry,
and then apply your final coat of long-oil varnish, either gloss or
rubbed-effect (satin). Be sure to refresh the topcoat every year with one
or two coats of varnish, or you'll lose the finish and have to start from
scratch again. Or you can even use the EGWF instead of varnish--it has just
as effective UV filters as most varnish, and better than some. AND be sure
to repair any damage to the finish that penetrates to the wood immediately.

2. If you want a Cetol finish, sand the wood smooth, then apply three coats
of Cetol Marine without sanding between. That's it, along with refreshing
every years with one coat. Nothing could be easier, but don't expect a
varnish-like appearance.

3. If an oil finish is acceptable, apply two or three coats of reduced tung
oil (pure tung thinned to 50% with mineral spirits), and plan to re-apply
every three months during the summer and at the beginning of each season.
Nice appearance, but requires too much work, IMO.

My pick: Cetol Marine. An acceptable finish if viewed from 10' away or
farther, and it protects the wood nicely. Not for teak decks, however,
unless you enjoy ice skating in the summer.

Max

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

Stainless hand holds???... in my climate?.... no thanks! I've been aboard
a friend's steel boat here in the winter.... the damn thing was insulated
and it was still cold.

Yeah, but think of the built-in watermaker you have during humid weather.
The condensation on the interior hull topsides could probably fill a gallon
bottle by noon.

Max

"DSK" wrote in message

I'm confused. By "wood treatment" you mean talking about guns, right?

Indeed. We haven't had a gun thread for what? Two weeks?

Max

wrote in message

On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 16:06:05 GMT, "Capt. Mooron"

Painting it grey is out of the question.... next you'll be suggesting to
take a porch paint and brush to the deck and topsides?

It seems to have worked for Neal.

News to me. I was under the impression he used latex interior wall paint.

Max