OzOne wrote


Not much populated areas up there, though there are a lot of small
coastal villages at risk.

Mostly just Aborigines, and who cares if a few hundred of them wash
out to sea, eh Ozzy?

SV

katysails wrote:
That's nice, Joe...my husband lived in Jacksonville for 5 years...my
mom-in-law in St Pete for 20 and various other relatives are
lifers....hurricanes are terribly destructive, not onlt for lubbers
but for
experienced boaters...you do no one any favors by lessening the facts
of
reality except possibly leading the uninformed unto a dangerous
situation...be a nice boy and go back to your manly man stuff, now
and stop
spinnig tales...

Katy, Im serious Ive been thru many hurricanes, been in the eyes of 4.
Alicia being the worst. Id rather be no other place than on redcloud.
While everyone else looses power I have a gen set, communications to
the USCG, weather fax, and a steel fortress to protect me. I have 3
hurricane holes one in Cedar Bayou n of here, One up the Brazos river
west of here and one near the Sabine river East of here. If your
prepared, have the proper equipment and act before the storm, then its
no big deal. Only those who can not excape the wrath of the storm have
to worry, I will stay at my marina unless the winds are over 120 knots.
I enjoy a good storm.

Joe



"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Katy, Hurricane season is enjoyable if you own the proper boat and
know
how to weather any storm. Its not like you have to worry about
getting
flooded. It may be a bad time for lubbers but a nice warm place to
live
is worth the risk. Ive been thru 5-6 hurricanes and only had one
item
trashed, a 22' camper on jacks rolled across the lawn. My fault.I
was
offshore and did not have it properly secured. You know the news
people
look for the worst to show you Yankee's on TV.

Joe

We tarp and humidity gets under there...what we have found is that there is
a direct relationship to the proximity of the wood pulp factory to where our
boat is moored and stored...Muskegon is an industrial town and I think air
pollution might explain some of it...our varnish jobs lasted better when we
were up farther north away from industry....
and yes, Max's boat is worth the effort of varnish, but hey, he likes cetol,
so who am I to complain?

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
katysails wrote:
Winter takes its' toll on varnish in a very bad way here...

How so? I've never seen a snow cover tear up varnish the way intense UV
from the southern sun will do.

... and Mr Sails is a varnish fanatic...its' done as a matt4er of course
rather than a matter of need...


My wife has gone from racing tactician to teak nazi. Nowadays when we walk
around looking at boats, she is as likely to criticize the brightwork as
make a comment about the rig or design. And one thing we agree on
(actually we agree on many things) is that we have never seen a Cetol
finish that looked as good as even a half-assed varnish finish much less a
good one. You can read a newspaper in the reflection off our brightwork,
which is not half-assed IMHO.

If Maxprop's boat has decent wood on it, she deserves better.

Fresh Brushes- Doug King

Everyone knows you're nuts...
I enjoy a good storm, also, but not with a death wish...

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...

katysails wrote:
That's nice, Joe...my husband lived in Jacksonville for 5 years...my
mom-in-law in St Pete for 20 and various other relatives are
lifers....hurricanes are terribly destructive, not onlt for lubbers
but for
experienced boaters...you do no one any favors by lessening the facts
of
reality except possibly leading the uninformed unto a dangerous
situation...be a nice boy and go back to your manly man stuff, now
and stop
spinnig tales...

Katy, Im serious Ive been thru many hurricanes, been in the eyes of 4.
Alicia being the worst. Id rather be no other place than on redcloud.
While everyone else looses power I have a gen set, communications to
the USCG, weather fax, and a steel fortress to protect me. I have 3
hurricane holes one in Cedar Bayou n of here, One up the Brazos river
west of here and one near the Sabine river East of here. If your
prepared, have the proper equipment and act before the storm, then its
no big deal. Only those who can not excape the wrath of the storm have
to worry, I will stay at my marina unless the winds are over 120 knots.
I enjoy a good storm.

Joe



"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Katy, Hurricane season is enjoyable if you own the proper boat and
know
how to weather any storm. Its not like you have to worry about
getting
flooded. It may be a bad time for lubbers but a nice warm place to
live
is worth the risk. Ive been thru 5-6 hurricanes and only had one
item
trashed, a 22' camper on jacks rolled across the lawn. My fault.I
was
offshore and did not have it properly secured. You know the news
people
look for the worst to show you Yankee's on TV.

Joe

katysails wrote:
We tarp and humidity gets under there...

Humidity is bad, especially going through thaw/freeze cycles, but unless
there are already bubbles in the varnish, or moisture sealed in, I don't
understand how this is going to tear up the finish. I have some
experience with boats left outside through New England winters, and they
usually required touching up... sometimes major touching up... but
varnish up there lasts a lot longer than down here in my admittedly
limited experience.


... what we have found is that there is
a direct relationship to the proximity of the wood pulp factory to where our
boat is moored and stored...Muskegon is an industrial town and I think air
pollution might explain some of it...our varnish jobs lasted better when we
were up farther north away from industry....

I can see that. Fly ash will put acid spots on every surface... it's bad
for cars too.


and yes, Max's boat is worth the effort of varnish, but hey, he likes cetol,
so who am I to complain?

Hold your eyes painfully when you walk by his boat ;)

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Nah...actually, his boat is one of the prettiest I've seen (don't tell him
that, though...things like that go to his head and then he becomes
unbearable...)

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
katysails wrote:
We tarp and humidity gets under there...

Humidity is bad, especially going through thaw/freeze cycles, but unless
there are already bubbles in the varnish, or moisture sealed in, I don't
understand how this is going to tear up the finish. I have some experience
with boats left outside through New England winters, and they usually
required touching up... sometimes major touching up... but varnish up
there lasts a lot longer than down here in my admittedly limited
experience.


... what we have found is that there is a direct relationship to the
proximity of the wood pulp factory to where our boat is moored and
stored...Muskegon is an industrial town and I think air pollution might
explain some of it...our varnish jobs lasted better when we were up
farther north away from industry....

I can see that. Fly ash will put acid spots on every surface... it's bad
for cars too.


and yes, Max's boat is worth the effort of varnish, but hey, he likes
cetol, so who am I to complain?

Hold your eyes painfully when you walk by his boat ;)

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

katysails wrote:
Nah...actually, his boat is one of the prettiest I've seen (don't tell him
that, though...things like that go to his head and then he becomes
unbearable...)

Owning a pretty boat is an obligation to the public.

DSK

Ozzy wrote: Unfortunately that area has had king tides the last few days,

What are 'king tides'? I have never heard that expression before. Is
'king' another word for big? Or does it have some other meaning?

L

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 00:38:38 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:


OzOne wrote in message

Get back to reality and tell me just how you'd cope with a direct hit
from a Cat 5, like the one off Northerm Oz at the moment.
280kph winds are nver "enjoyable" and with the seas that go with such
winds, "getting flooded" is the least of your worries!

That sounds less than appealing. Will it make landfall?

Max

Yep, expected to make land sometime early morning at present.
Unfortunately that area has had king tides the last few days, and the
surge will not do them any good.

Not much populated areas up there, though there are a lot of small
coastal villages at risk.


Oz1...of the 3 twins.

I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you.

"katysails" wrote complementing "Cut the Mustard" thusly:

Nah...actually, his boat is one of the prettiest I've seen (don't tell him
that, though...things like that go to his head and then he becomes
unbearable...)


Thanks, Katy!

CN

"DSK" spewed the following crap:

Owning a pretty boat is an obligation to the public.

DSK


Typical liberal - all show and no go. Function means less than appearances,
lies speak louder than the truth, fantasy is fact!

CN

"katysails" wrote in message

Winter takes its' toll on varnish in a very bad way here...and Mr Sails is
a varnish fanatic...its' done as a matt4er of course rather than a matter
of need...

Don't you have some sort of cover?

Max

"DSK" wrote in message

My wife has gone from racing tactician to teak nazi. Nowadays when we walk
around looking at boats, she is as likely to criticize the brightwork as
make a comment about the rig or design.

For her birthday or next Christmas, get her a copy of Rebecca Wittman's book
"Brightwork." A nice coffee table book as well as an anal retentive
brighworker's treatise. She'd love it, if she doesn't already have it.

And one thing we agree on (actually we agree on many things) is that we
have never seen a Cetol finish that looked as good as even a half-assed
varnish finish much less a good one. You can read a newspaper in the
reflection off our brightwork, which is not half-assed IMHO.

If Maxprop's boat has decent wood on it, she deserves better.

I really enjoy properly varnished teak, but my personal experience is that
teak is simply too oily to hold varnish properly in hot summer sunlight.
Mahogany is another story, and our former Mariner 31 ketch had
lovingly-varnished mahogany brightwork.

I'm probably a bit like your wife in my approach to varnish, but I prefer
Cetol simply because it lasts, and with minimal problems. It's a compromise
between work and appearance. I honestly believe that ours is the finest,
best-equipped Sea Sprite 34 in the country (it's one of the few
factory-completed boats, for starters), but it could be nicer, if we'd take
the time to varnish all the brightwork. But we enjoy our time off (it's
precious and scarce) too much to get anal about the wood's appearance.
Cetol, in the eyes of most people who walk the dock, does not detract from
the appearance of our boat. However that really does not matter to me.
What matters is keeping the wood 'healthy' and clean in appearance. And
Cetol Marine does all that and more. And it affords us the time to sail and
enjoy our all-too-brief summer seasons. Perhaps when we retire to Oriental,
we'll reconsider varnish for the brightwork.

Max

"katysails" wrote in message

We tarp and humidity gets under there...what we have found is that there
is a direct relationship to the proximity of the wood pulp factory to
where our boat is moored and stored...Muskegon is an industrial town and I
think air pollution might explain some of it...our varnish jobs lasted
better when we were up farther north away from industry....

I never thought about that, but you are correct: the paper company's
effluent is acidic, with a pH around 4 or 5. It wreaks havoc on isenglas,
and I suspect it would be tough on varnish, too, if held against it via
condensation during the off-season months.

and yes, Max's boat is worth the effort of varnish, but hey, he likes
cetol, so who am I to complain?

I actually don't like Cetol, but it's a compromise between time spent
refinishing and time spent sailing/sunbathing/swimming/partying/et.al.

Max

"DSK" wrote in message

katysails wrote:
We tarp and humidity gets under there...

Humidity is bad, especially going through thaw/freeze cycles, but unless
there are already bubbles in the varnish, or moisture sealed in, I don't
understand how this is going to tear up the finish. I have some experience
with boats left outside through New England winters, and they usually
required touching up... sometimes major touching up... but varnish up
there lasts a lot longer than down here in my admittedly limited
experience.

I agree with you last sentence, but I think the oil in teak is the culprit
in many cases. Some "experts" claim that *drying* teak with acetone or
benzene (not) prior to varnishing is necessary to keep the oil from leaching
to the surface under the finish. A friend's Panda 34 lost its varnished
finish, despite the owners' attempt to maintain it constantly. I examined a
piece of varnish that snapped off the wood and found it to be oily on the
underside.

Max

"katysails" wrote in message

Nah...actually, his boat is one of the prettiest I've seen (don't tell him
that, though...things like that go to his head and then he becomes
unbearable...)

Kind words, Katy, and appreciated. I'll apply my head clamp at once.

Max

"DSK" wrote in message

katysails wrote:
Nah...actually, his boat is one of the prettiest I've seen (don't tell
him that, though...things like that go to his head and then he becomes
unbearable...)

Owning a pretty boat is an obligation to the public.

I've never considered it to be an obligation to anyone g, but it is most
enjoyable when people pass by the million dollar Sea Rays and Tiaras on a
dock to compliment my boat.

Max

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message


"DSK" spewed the following crap:

Owning a pretty boat is an obligation to the public.


Typical liberal - all show and no go. Function means less than
appearances,
lies speak louder than the truth, fantasy is fact!

What has obviously escaped your notice over the years is the fact that quite
often boats of beauty are great performers as well. Conversely ugly
boats--those that have been optimized for interior volume rather than hull
design integrity--are most often terrible performers. Take the Morgan Out
Island series, as an example of the latter. And the CCA yachts of the 40s
and 50s as an example of the former. The Hinckley Bermuda 40 is still one
of the finest performing, best handling boats in existence. It still wins
handicap races, and it's drop dead gorgeous. So are the 6 Metres and
Etchells 22s. Even the latest America's Cup yachts are beautiful in design
and appearance. Dame Ellen MacArthur's B&Q, while quite modern in design,
is quite attractive.

This is not a political issue, rather one of aesthetics vs. performance,
which are not mutually exclusive by any stretch of the imagination.

Max

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message



"katysails" wrote complementing "Cut the
Mustard" thusly:

Nah...actually, his boat is one of the prettiest I've seen (don't tell
him that, though...things like that go to his head and then he becomes
unbearable...)


Thanks, Katy!

Spoken by one whose head is hard-pressed to make it through his voluminous
companionway as it is. g

Max

"katysails" wrote in message


"Maxprop" wrote in message
Ditto. Just a coat of Awlcare on the hull and deck and splash. Okay,
maybe a little Sikkens Cetol Marine on a few choice wooden parts. Like
all of 'em. (sigh)

You can do that after launch...don't sweat it...

The brightwork, yes, but the topsides (that would be the exposed sides of
the hull above the waterline for Neal and Ganz) are difficult to do properly
from the dink.

Max

OzOne wrote in message

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 08:13:09 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
scribbled thusly:

OzOne wrote


Not much populated areas up there, though there are a lot of small
coastal villages at risk.

Mostly just Aborigines, and who cares if a few hundred of them wash
out to sea, eh Ozzy?

SV


Great part after a storm like this is that we can send em up some
blankets...infected with smallpox ;-)

LOL. You ozzies are learning from us Americans, ain'tcha? Not one of our
prouder moments, to be sure.

Max

OzOne wrote in message

Yp, Clockwise in the southern and anticlock in the northern

You are, of course, referring to which way our toilets flush, right?

We have an anti-Coriolus toilet, which flushes straight down, no spin. No
damn good for *swirlies* however, but it does great with dead gerbils.

Max

OzOne wrote in message

Bloody hard to move a house Cappy!

Not really. Andrew did just fine in that regard.

Max

"katysails" wrote in message

Luckyyou...due to dock repair, etc., dunk day isn't until the 1st weekend
of May at MYC....

The way our Springs have been, I doubt if you'll miss much. However I
really enjoy sailing early--few powerboats, no sheriff's patrol, and the
winds generally are steady and 15kts or better, if chilly.

Max

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

I better call Haggy and tell her to paint my bottom by then.

I've filtered the Ganz Problem, but I'm sure this will evoke a response from
him.

Max

Maxprop wrote:
.... quite
often boats of beauty are great performers as well. Conversely ugly
boats--those that have been optimized for interior volume rather than hull
design integrity--are most often terrible performers. Take the Morgan Out
Island series, as an example of the latter.

Or most (not all) center cockpit boats.

... And the CCA yachts of the 40s
and 50s as an example of the former. The Hinckley Bermuda 40 is still one
of the finest performing, best handling boats in existence. It still wins
handicap races, and it's drop dead gorgeous. So are the 6 Metres and
Etchells 22s. Even the latest America's Cup yachts are beautiful in design
and appearance. Dame Ellen MacArthur's B&Q, while quite modern in design,
is quite attractive.


Any boat that wins is pretty. The more she wins, the prettier she gets!

L.Francis Herreshoff wrote that the sea may be considered to have an eye
for beauty, that hulls which just 'look right,' especially to an
experienced sailor, often are the best.

It's true that computational dynamics have replaced the experienced eye
in naval architecture, and boats have become enormously faster (largely
because of advances in materials IMHO), the experienced sailors eye
still has a feel for what the sea will approve of. Ugly race boats are
usually optimized to some measurement rule rather than for performance.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Well said Doug, Except for that wise crack about center cockpits.

Joe

Joe wrote:
Well said Doug, Except for that wise crack about center cockpits.


It may be that your boat is one of the exceptions... given what you've
said, and the look of it from pictures, I'd be inclined to think so.

However it's one of those design trade-offs... you could take any hull &
rig, and rebuild the deck to a center cockpit configuration, and thus
gain interior accomodation & privacy at the expense of sailing performance.

Please note that very very few racing boats have center cockpits... it
was tried on 12-Meters, for example... IIRC the only real winner of the
bunch was 'Flyer' a custom Swan ketch in the first Whitbread
'Round-The-World' race... it works on very big boats, such as Mari-Cha 4...

DSK

Maxprop wrote:
For her birthday or next Christmas, get her a copy of Rebecca Wittman's book
"Brightwork." A nice coffee table book as well as an anal retentive
brighworker's treatise. She'd love it, if she doesn't already have it.


We already have 2 copies... she keeps one in her office... but thanks
for the recommendation...


I really enjoy properly varnished teak, but my personal experience is that
teak is simply too oily to hold varnish properly in hot summer sunlight.
Mahogany is another story, and our former Mariner 31 ketch had
lovingly-varnished mahogany brightwork.


That depends on the wood and how it's been treated, but for the most
part you're probably right. Using thinners can drive out much of the
near-surface oil but it will always come back... at least for ten years
or so...


I'm probably a bit like your wife in my approach to varnish, but I prefer
Cetol simply because it lasts, and with minimal problems.

That's not the case, from my observations. Given two equally prepped
pieces of wood, the Cetol will outlast varnish by about 10% at most, and
require about 10% less work to maintain.

The new clear stuff doesn't look as bad as the old orange Jell-O Cetol,
but it still doesn't look good up close. If the wood has pretty enough
grain to be worth any type of bright finish, it deserves varnish IMHO.

BTW we had a professional do some of the wood on our boat when we first
bought it, the former owner had slapped on a terrible coating of
polyurethane. He also takes care of a number of boats with Cetol and he
swears the stuff is actually more work than varnish.

... Perhaps when we retire to Oriental,
we'll reconsider varnish for the brightwork.


That part of NC (around New Bern as well) is getting to be worse than
Florida. They're four-laning the highway to Oriental, so that the
blue-hairs will have an easier time. But hey, there's plenty of room for
more!

But if you move the boat down South, you'll be astonished at the
difference in the longevity of any type finish. UV is very destructive.
If you don't have varnish now, you certainly won't want it down here
unless you put the boat under a cover.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

KS wrote: dunk day isn't until the 1st weekend of
May at MYC....

That is mid-season for the REAL great lakes sailor!!!

L



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Enjoy my new sailing web site
http://sail247.com
"katysails" wrote in message
...
Luckyyou...due to dock repair, etc., dunk day isn't until the 1st weekend
of May at MYC....

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

I got excited yesterday, sent in my launch request. Asked for 2nd week
in April.

Brave or looking forward to very little improvements....

Nah. We're going in either the first or second Saturday in April. Cold,
yeah, but that's when the season begins, dammit.

Max

"Maxprop" wrote

but it does great with dead gerbils.


UH oh, TMI

Yeah, we tarp...I'm beginning tothink that I should just go buy him a pile
of teak and let him finish it...I think varnishing is therapeutic for him...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"katysails" wrote in message

Winter takes its' toll on varnish in a very bad way here...and Mr Sails
is a varnish fanatic...its' done as a matt4er of course rather than a
matter of need...

Don't you have some sort of cover?

Max

eeewwwww.....flushed gerbils....I remember a particular event when my
youngest sister had gerbils...she insisted to my parents that they were
supposedly both boys...wrong-o...both were females that had already been
bred..within 6 weeks we were inundated...I think my Dad made them do a
disappearing job but I don't know if the toilet was the instrument of death
or not...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

OzOne wrote in message

Yp, Clockwise in the southern and anticlock in the northern

You are, of course, referring to which way our toilets flush, right?

We have an anti-Coriolus toilet, which flushes straight down, no spin. No
damn good for *swirlies* however, but it does great with dead gerbils.

Max

The way this spring is going we'll launch in May and be able to walk on the
ice out to the mooring...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"katysails" wrote in message

Luckyyou...due to dock repair, etc., dunk day isn't until the 1st weekend
of May at MYC....

The way our Springs have been, I doubt if you'll miss much. However I
really enjoy sailing early--few powerboats, no sheriff's patrol, and the
winds generally are steady and 15kts or better, if chilly.

Max

Why? Haggie's a girl; Scotty's a guy...seems normal to me...

"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

I better call Haggy and tell her to paint my bottom by then.

I've filtered the Ganz Problem, but I'm sure this will evoke a response
from him.

Max

Yeah, well tell that to the commodore...but that's the price to pay for
cheaper storage...we stored at Torreson's last year and were in earlier but
the cost was double...

"Lonny Bruce" wrote in message
news:7iKXd.58587$EL5.49966@trnddc05...
KS wrote: dunk day isn't until the 1st weekend of
May at MYC....

That is mid-season for the REAL great lakes sailor!!!

L



--
Enjoy my new sailing web site
http://sail247.com
"katysails" wrote in message
...
Luckyyou...due to dock repair, etc., dunk day isn't until the 1st weekend
of May at MYC....

"Maxprop" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message

I got excited yesterday, sent in my launch request. Asked for 2nd week
in April.

Brave or looking forward to very little improvements....

Nah. We're going in either the first or second Saturday in April.
Cold, yeah, but that's when the season begins, dammit.

Max

"DSK" wrote in message

That's not the case, from my observations. Given two equally prepped
pieces of wood, the Cetol will outlast varnish by about 10% at most, and
require about 10% less work to maintain.

The biggest difference between the two that I've found is the technique and
care required during application. I'm good with a brush, but it still takes
me far longer and with far more care to apply a coat of varnish vs. Cetol.
I can apply a coat of Cetol to my coamings in about an hour. To do the same
with, say, Interlux varnish, I'd require at least twice that long with all
the tipping out, etc. More care is required in dipping the brush in varnish
as well, to avoid bubbles. And weather is another factor. I've applied
Cetol in 45 degrees and wind, and also in 90 degrees and humidity, both with
acceptable results. Varnish requires a narrower set of parameters if the
finish coat is to have a smooth, glasslike appearance. Then of course there
is the issue of sanding between coats. Cetol requires none as it bonds
chemically to itself, but varnish requires a mechanical bond between coats,
so sanding is obligatory.


The new clear stuff doesn't look as bad as the old orange Jell-O Cetol,
but it still doesn't look good up close.

I honestly can't tell much difference between the two.

If the wood has pretty enough grain to be worth any type of bright finish,
it deserves varnish IMHO.

Have you ever tried Epifanes Gloss Wood Finish?


BTW we had a professional do some of the wood on our boat when we first
bought it, the former owner had slapped on a terrible coating of
polyurethane. He also takes care of a number of boats with Cetol and he
swears the stuff is actually more work than varnish.

I've heard that before, and don't believe it for a moment.

... Perhaps when we retire to Oriental, we'll reconsider varnish for
the brightwork.


That part of NC (around New Bern as well) is getting to be worse than
Florida. They're four-laning the highway to Oriental, so that the
blue-hairs will have an easier time. But hey, there's plenty of room for
more!

We noted the road work when we were there last year. Not too many bluehairs
when we were there, but no doubt they'll come. They always do.


But if you move the boat down South, you'll be astonished at the
difference in the longevity of any type finish. UV is very destructive. If
you don't have varnish now, you certainly won't want it down here unless
you put the boat under a cover.

Not having experienced a NC summer I can't comment, but I'd be surprised if
the UV intensity there wasn't significantly greater than up here.

Max

"DSK" wrote in message

It's true that computational dynamics have replaced the experienced eye in
naval architecture, and boats have become enormously faster (largely
because of advances in materials IMHO), the experienced sailors eye still
has a feel for what the sea will approve of. Ugly race boats are usually
optimized to some measurement rule rather than for performance.

I can't remember the name of the boat, but it was a noted one-off
rule-beater back in the seventies. It was so butt-f***ing ugly as to be
offensive. Not sure if it won many races, but it did get a lot of press.

Max

"DSK" wrote in message

Joe wrote:
Well said Doug, Except for that wise crack about center cockpits.

It may be that your boat is one of the exceptions... given what you've
said, and the look of it from pictures, I'd be inclined to think so.

Another exception is the Graham & Schlageter-designed S2 35 CC. It was a
lower-volume center cockpit boat built on a racing hull, and it was
amazingly fast, especially downwind, but it wasn't beautiful. Nothing on
our part of Lake Michigan, short of a maxi, could outrun that beast.

Max

"katysails" wrote in message

eeewwwww.....flushed gerbils....I remember a particular event when my
youngest sister had gerbils...she insisted to my parents that they were
supposedly both boys...wrong-o...both were females that had already been
bred..within 6 weeks we were inundated...I think my Dad made them do a
disappearing job but I don't know if the toilet was the instrument of
death or not...

Any of the larger constrictors do well, too. In fact, most pet stores breed
and sell gerbils as snake food.

Max

OzOne wrote in message ...
On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:26:36 GMT, "Maxprop"
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OzOne wrote in message

Bloody hard to move a house Cappy!

Not really. Andrew did just fine in that regard.

Max


Yeah, and Cappy just "rode it out".

It was significantly attenuated where he was.

Max