I spent over $800 on new line for my old Etchells. To tell
you the truth, I prefered replacing it. Mine is color coded.
Green=spinnaker, Blue=Main, Red=Jib.

The standing rigging would not be too hard to replace, and
you might get away with what is there if you don't over stress
it.

For the price it might make a nice project. I've thought about
building a Star. We've talked about that. Having a trailer
and spars would make that a practical project.

"DSK" wrote
Bart Senior wrote:
Down there, not far from you.

I wrote the guy. He says -- no soft spots. Not sure
I'd believe that.

He may not know, soft spots can be hard to find. A boat that's been
sitting up on a trailer out of doors is almost certain to have rainwater
puddles in it, which is the worst possible thing structurally. But if
they say no soft spots, it's probably pretty good.

I'm less hopeful about the rigging... the boat's deck layout is antique
and a Star is a high-stress rig that needs *good* standing rigging... if
the spars are good the boat will still need all new standing & probably
mostly new running rigging... and that's a lot o'$$...

6 sails... that's nice

This might make a nice project. The trailer alone
is worth the current bid. $820 If I didn't have too
many boats I'd buy it.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...4529738983&rd=
1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT


The trailer is the biggest real asset. The boat is obviously never going
to be competitive, but it could make a real fun daysailor. Might be
interesting to pick up a boat like this and put a spinnaker on it... or
convert it back to the old Star gaff rig...

At one point I looked into putting a gaff rig on the Lightning, but
didn't pursue it. I did try a big asymmetric with a deck mounted pole.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Bart Senior wrote:
I spent over $800 on new line for my old Etchells. To tell
you the truth, I prefered replacing it. Mine is color coded.
Green=spinnaker, Blue=Main, Red=Jib.

The good stuff costs. I went into a similar figure rerigging our Lightning.


The standing rigging would not be too hard to replace, and
you might get away with what is there if you don't over stress
it.


Probably true, especially if you're not going to race it.

For the price it might make a nice project. I've thought about
building a Star. We've talked about that. Having a trailer
and spars would make that a practical project.


heh heh he define "practical"

Besides, my wife would kill me. She's counting on me to finish
installing the increased battery bank, the windlass, and the bow
thruster on our tugboat...

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Bow Thruster.....Is your trawler a single screw?

Joe

Joe wrote:
Bow Thruster.....Is your trawler a single screw?


Well, it has a single engine & prop.

That's why I remain unimpressed with all your bragging about maneuvering
boats with multiple props.

DSK

Doug I use to push a 220 foot barge carrying 250,000 gallons of fuel
all over the gulf coast for a company called Grasso.

Did it with a single screw tug the Cherokee Warrior with an 8-71
detroit. Did not have a bow thruster or a steermaster.

IMO a bow thruster is not needed for such a small vessel as yours
unless your just a bad boat handler. You just need much more practice.

Joe

Joe wrote:
Doug I use to push a 220 foot barge carrying 250,000 gallons of fuel
all over the gulf coast for a company called Grasso.


Did you ever do a 360 with that 220' barge in a 225' space?



IMO a bow thruster is not needed for such a small vessel as yours
unless your just a bad boat handler.

Or maneuver in tight spaces with cross winds & current etc etc.

... You just need much more practice.


That much is true. But then, I have practiced plenty and I haven't
banged into anything, either. You can ask the dockmaster at our marina
if he thinks I know how to handle a boat.

We are putting on a bow thruster because we would like to be able to
move the boat into & out of tight places under a wider range of
conditions, and do less warping.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message

We are putting on a bow thruster because we would like to be able to move
the boat into & out of tight places under a wider range of conditions, and
do less warping.

Contrary to what some here might claim, there is nothing unmanly or
unseamanlike about a bow thruster. It's simply another tool in the
mariner's tool box for those who wish to make their voyages efficacious and
more hassle-free. One doesn't *need* GPS, a knot meter, a depth sounder, or
even a compass, but they make the job more efficient and enjoyable, and
that's what it's all about, no?

Max

I've done a 180 with the 220 in a 60 foot wide bayou. Use to bring all
the fuel to Southern Pacific Railroad up Buffalo Bayou close to down
town Houston. So narrow I always had to break down the tow and push it
back out from the other end. Always drew a big crowd on the bridge I
would lay the barge against.

Also had to shoot into a slip 100 foot wide with a 5 kt side current ,
Had to usually start setting of for that trick 1/2 mile ahead of the
slip.

As for doing a 360 in a 225 foot area it is impossiable since the tug
was 60 foot.

A smarter move than a bow thruster would be flanking rudders IMO.

Is your thruster going to be electric?

Some of the 310 ft supply boats I ran had 6-71 detroit bow thrusters.
In a hard side current at the rig they were useful but rattle the damn
boat so much it drives you crazy. After 4-5 hours of that your damn
happy to be offloaded or loaded.
Problem with bow thrusters are the props tend to cavitate.

Joe