"JR Gilbreath" wrote in message .. .
Capt Neal
I DID not make fun of your boom. I pointed out that the picture
of the Hunter was showing a loose footed main that the boom curve
would not affect. I really resent your juvenile misuse of my name.
That shows me more about your character than anything you could ever write.
JR Gilbreath


But, you should ask yourself, "What does it say about the good Captain's
trolling prowess?" Did you notice how many fish, besides yourself, that
are now flopping around upon my foredeck? All with one simple cast
of a skillfully-baited hook.

CN

Wally, you certainly are not the sharpest tool in the shed!

Your contention that the shelf 'sags' when the outhaul
is tensioned does not occur in real life. I guess you have
never sailed a yacht that uses a proper shelf-footed sail.

More on why your comments make little or no sense.

When the outhaul is tensioned so the shelf foot is collapsed
then what would be the foot (if the shelf were suddenly removed)
becomes taut, as does the shelf itself, since the shelf is not removed
in fact but still attached to the taut foot. Therefore, it follows
that the shelf still exerts a downward force on the taut foot
(the part of the sail the shelf is attached to). This imparted force
is along the entire length of the boom so the sail is flattened just
as if you were looking at the luff of a mainsail that is stretched along
the length of a bent mast under tension from an hydraulic backstay
tensioner. After all, does not the luff of a mainsail mimic a shelf
foot in that it is cupped for aerodynamics?

What has happened to the minds of young people these days
in that they cannot envision simple concepts in their heads?
That which is second-nature to the likes of myself and
Gilligan seems foreign to the Television-addicted generation
of today, a generation totally bereft of imagination.

CN


"Wally" wrote in message .uk...
Capt. Neal® wrote:

... but when the outhaul is tensioned, the shelf foot closes and the
bolt rope in the boom tends to flatten the sail.

Once again, a self-proclaimed old salt embarrasses himself by inviting a
sweet, innocent, fresh-faced n00b to provide an elementary lecture in the
dynamics of the outhaul on a shelf-footed main...

The sail is flattened under outhaul tension due to the direct pull between
tack and clew. When thus tensioned, the surplus material in the shelf foot
sags. Since the shelf is sagging, it imparts no downward pull on the main -
it is slack cloth between the bolt rope and the sail, proper.


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm
www.wally.myby.co.uk

Capt Kneel
A good fisherman would have a place to store his catch. There isn't
room on your foredeck for a minnow much less a fish. I wasn't going to
mention it before but your Hong Hong sails look pretty cheap with those
webbings in place of shackles but they do go well with the rest of your
rigging. I just love those anchor lines for halyards. However, I do
think the boat is perfect for you.
JR

Capt. Neal® wrote:

"JR Gilbreath" wrote in message
.. .

Capt Neal
I DID not make fun of your boom. I pointed out that the picture
of the Hunter was showing a loose footed main that the boom curve
would not affect. I really resent your juvenile misuse of my name.
That shows me more about your character than anything you could ever
write.
JR Gilbreath


But, you should ask yourself, "What does it say about the good Captain's
trolling prowess?" Did you notice how many fish, besides yourself, that
are now flopping around upon my foredeck? All with one simple cast
of a skillfully-baited hook.

CN

If you were half as observant as you are critical you would have noticed
that my halyards are wire and rope. The 'anchor line' halyards are three-
strand Dacron for easy eye splicing. They are primarily for wrapping
around the winches as wire tends to be hard on the winch barrels.

Webbing in place of shackles on the sails? Since when do sails have
shackles? Did you mean cringles per chance? Did you not notice the
webbing fastens the reefing point cringles to the sail?

As for my catch, I prefer to kick junk fish right back off the deck
into the water before they stink up the joint.

I hope this helps.

CN

"JR Gilbreath" emoted:

Capt Kneel
A good fisherman would have a place to store his catch. There isn't
room on your foredeck for a minnow much less a fish. I wasn't going to
mention it before but your Hong Hong sails look pretty cheap with those
webbings in place of shackles but they do go well with the rest of your
rigging. I just love those anchor lines for halyards. However, I do
think the boat is perfect for you.
JR

Wrong Neal,

The shelve puts no downward pressure on the foot of the Main. That is
not its function. It is meant to let the sail to be shaped by the tack
& clew.

Ole Thom

Yes, 'tis truly a shame so many are so narrow-minded and lobotomized
by liberalism.

But, what do you expect when they are brainwashed by a liberal
educational system that stifles creativity in favor of a herd mentality?

CN

"Gilligan" wrote in message .net...
It is very disappointing, good Capt, to see people have such disdain for
innovation. You are definitely a role model to those who are willing to
constantly improve themselves. You can stand shoulder to shoulder with the
likes of Eli Whitney, Cyrus McCormick and Filo T. Farnsworth!

Gilligan


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Dear Group and Lurkers,

The usual bunch of babbling buffoons in the group's Peanut Gallery
has been making fun of my well-repaired boom. They include Whining Oz,
Gay Gaynz, JRBadbreath, and Crotchety Ole Thom.

They seem to criticize my sturdy boom on the basis of two things mainly.

1) It is heavy ruining light air performance.
2) It is slightly bent thus ruining sail trim.

They cannot claim it is weak because it has held up under more than
ten years of hard sailing since I repaired it and it is still far stronger
than the original extrusion was. It is so well sealed that there still is
not a speck of rust or corrosion to be seen.

1) Allow me to debunk the 'heavy' claim. The pipes I used as internal
sleeves
weighed a total of ten pounds. This means the boom is ten pounds heavier
than usual. The epoxy I slathered them with when I slid them home with
the help of a 2X6 sealed them and glued them to the boom but the epoxy's
weight is insignificant. Some say this extra ten pound will ruin the sail
shape
in light-air sailing. Simply not so, as more than ten pounds of downward
force is placed on the sail when the mainsheet is hauled down as it must
be even in light air. All the slightly heavier boom does is make it
slightly
easier to sheet in the mainsail.

2) Allow me to debunk the second claim concerning a slight bend ruining
the shape and trim of the mainsail. Simply not so. Just look how racers
intentionally bend their mainmast with fancy backstay pensioners in
order to flatten their mainsail for better performance. My boom
accomplishes the very same thing because of the bolt rope in the boom
and the shelf foot which closes when the outhaul is tightened. The bend
has no effect upon the sail shape when the outhaul is eased because
then the shelf foot opens up and the sail relaxes along the boom and
foot but when the outhaul is tensioned, the shelf foot closes and the
bolt rope in the boom tends to flatten the sail. This is such an efficient
system that, frankly, I am surprised nobody has thought of it before.
The first racer who decides to use a bent boom and a bolt/rope shelf-
footed sail will do well because he will have a definite advantage over
staid and unoriginal minds (or lack thereof) as demonstrated in the
ignorant individuals listed above.

These two simple explanations demonstrate how lacking in knowledge
everyone except Gilligan is when it comes to knowing what makes a fast
boat like "Cut the Mustard" even faster.

CN

No Capt I mean shackles but I guess you would not be familar with a sail
that used metal shackles to attach a slider to the main. Why am I not
surprised?


Capt. Neal® wrote:


If you were half as observant as you are critical you would have noticed
that my halyards are wire and rope. The 'anchor line' halyards are three-
strand Dacron for easy eye splicing. They are primarily for wrapping
around the winches as wire tends to be hard on the winch barrels.

Webbing in place of shackles on the sails? Since when do sails have
shackles? Did you mean cringles per chance? Did you not notice the
webbing fastens the reefing point cringles to the sail?
As for my catch, I prefer to kick junk fish right back off the deck
into the water before they stink up the joint.

I hope this helps.
CN

"JR Gilbreath" emoted:

Capt Kneel
A good fisherman would have a place to store his catch. There isn't
room on your foredeck for a minnow much less a fish. I wasn't going
to mention it before but your Hong Hong sails look pretty cheap with
those
webbings in place of shackles but they do go well with the rest of your
rigging. I just love those anchor lines for halyards. However, I do
think the boat is perfect for you.
JR

You should have called them 'slugs' as any sailor would
know how a sail is attached when there is an internal
track on the mast. I have no shackles on my mainsail.
My sliding slugs are attached with webbing - a seamanlike
set-up.

You have no shackles on your mainsail either. If you have
an external track you have 'sail slides'.

I hope this helps.

CN


"JR Gilbreath" wrote in message ...
No Capt I mean shackles but I guess you would not be familar with a sail
that used metal shackles to attach a slider to the main. Why am I not surprised?


Capt. Neal® wrote:


If you were half as observant as you are critical you would have noticed
that my halyards are wire and rope. The 'anchor line' halyards are three-
strand Dacron for easy eye splicing. They are primarily for wrapping around the winches as wire tends to be hard on the winch
barrels.

Webbing in place of shackles on the sails? Since when do sails have
shackles? Did you mean cringles per chance? Did you not notice the
webbing fastens the reefing point cringles to the sail?
As for my catch, I prefer to kick junk fish right back off the deck
into the water before they stink up the joint.

I hope this helps.
CN

"JR Gilbreath" emoted:

Capt Kneel
A good fisherman would have a place to store his catch. There isn't
room on your foredeck for a minnow much less a fish. I wasn't going to mention it before but your Hong Hong sails look pretty
cheap with those
webbings in place of shackles but they do go well with the rest of your
rigging. I just love those anchor lines for halyards. However, I do think the boat is perfect for you.
JR

Do an experiment. This experiment will prove you wrong.

Take a piece of bungee cord and stretch it. Does it not get thinner?

Take a bra strap and stretch it. Does it not get thinner?

Take a four-inch wide length of Dacron sail cloth and stretch it.
Does it not become less than four inches wide?

The answer to all of the above is Yes!

Therefore when the shelf foot is stretched, it also becomes less wide.
When it becomes less wide it pulls down on the foot of the sail. Duh!

CN
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
Wrong Neal,

The shelve puts no downward pressure on the foot of the Main. That is
not its function. It is meant to let the sail to be shaped by the tack
& clew.

Ole Thom

You are truly amazing. My mainsail is attached with shackles and since
you aren't familiar with them here a web page to introduce you.

http://www.sailmakerssupply.com/Stor.../Shackles.html

Good night and good luck to anyone who has to deal with you.
I don't.


Capt. Neal® wrote:



You should have called them 'slugs' as any sailor would
know how a sail is attached when there is an internal
track on the mast. I have no shackles on my mainsail.
My sliding slugs are attached with webbing - a seamanlike
set-up.

You have no shackles on your mainsail either. If you have
an external track you have 'sail slides'.

I hope this helps.

CN


"JR Gilbreath" wrote in message
...

No Capt I mean shackles but I guess you would not be familar with a sail
that used metal shackles to attach a slider to the main. Why am I not
surprised?


Capt. Neal® wrote:


If you were half as observant as you are critical you would have noticed
that my halyards are wire and rope. The 'anchor line' halyards are
three-
strand Dacron for easy eye splicing. They are primarily for wrapping
around the winches as wire tends to be hard on the winch barrels.

Webbing in place of shackles on the sails? Since when do sails have
shackles? Did you mean cringles per chance? Did you not notice the
webbing fastens the reefing point cringles to the sail?
As for my catch, I prefer to kick junk fish right back off the deck
into the water before they stink up the joint.

I hope this helps.
CN

"JR Gilbreath" emoted:

Capt Kneel
A good fisherman would have a place to store his catch. There isn't
room on your foredeck for a minnow much less a fish. I wasn't going
to mention it before but your Hong Hong sails look pretty cheap with
those
webbings in place of shackles but they do go well with the rest of your
rigging. I just love those anchor lines for halyards. However, I
do think the boat is perfect for you.
JR