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Total lack of understanding.
Dear Group and Lurkers,
The usual bunch of babbling buffoons in the group's Peanut Gallery has been making fun of my well-repaired boom. They include Whining Oz, Gay Gaynz, JRBadbreath, and Crotchety Ole Thom. They seem to criticize my sturdy boom on the basis of two things mainly. 1) It is heavy ruining light air performance. 2) It is slightly bent thus ruining sail trim. They cannot claim it is weak because it has held up under more than ten years of hard sailing since I repaired it and it is still far stronger than the original extrusion was. It is so well sealed that there still is not a speck of rust or corrosion to be seen. 1) Allow me to debunk the 'heavy' claim. The pipes I used as internal sleeves weighed a total of ten pounds. This means the boom is ten pounds heavier than usual. The epoxy I slathered them with when I slid them home with the help of a 2X6 sealed them and glued them to the boom but the epoxy's weight is insignificant. Some say this extra ten pound will ruin the sail shape in light-air sailing. Simply not so, as more than ten pounds of downward force is placed on the sail when the mainsheet is hauled down as it must be even in light air. All the slightly heavier boom does is make it slightly easier to sheet in the mainsail. 2) Allow me to debunk the second claim concerning a slight bend ruining the shape and trim of the mainsail. Simply not so. Just look how racers intentionally bend their mainmast with fancy backstay pensioners in order to flatten their mainsail for better performance. My boom accomplishes the very same thing because of the bolt rope in the boom and the shelf foot which closes when the outhaul is tightened. The bend has no effect upon the sail shape when the outhaul is eased because then the shelf foot opens up and the sail relaxes along the boom and foot but when the outhaul is tensioned, the shelf foot closes and the bolt rope in the boom tends to flatten the sail. This is such an efficient system that, frankly, I am surprised nobody has thought of it before. The first racer who decides to use a bent boom and a bolt/rope shelf- footed sail will do well because he will have a definite advantage over staid and unoriginal minds (or lack thereof) as demonstrated in the ignorant individuals listed above. These two simple explanations demonstrate how lacking in knowledge everyone except Gilligan is when it comes to knowing what makes a fast boat like "Cut the Mustard" even faster. CN |
Capt Neal
I DID not make fun of your boom. I pointed out that the picture of the Hunter was showing a loose footed main that the boom curve would not affect. I really resent your juvenile misuse of my name. That shows me more about your character than anything you could ever write. JR Gilbreath Capt. Neal® wrote: Dear Group and Lurkers, The usual bunch of babbling buffoons in the group's Peanut Gallery has been making fun of my well-repaired boom. They include Whining Oz, Gay Gaynz, JRBadbreath, and Crotchety Ole Thom. They seem to criticize my sturdy boom on the basis of two things mainly. 1) It is heavy ruining light air performance. 2) It is slightly bent thus ruining sail trim. They cannot claim it is weak because it has held up under more than ten years of hard sailing since I repaired it and it is still far stronger than the original extrusion was. It is so well sealed that there still is not a speck of rust or corrosion to be seen. 1) Allow me to debunk the 'heavy' claim. The pipes I used as internal sleeves weighed a total of ten pounds. This means the boom is ten pounds heavier than usual. The epoxy I slathered them with when I slid them home with the help of a 2X6 sealed them and glued them to the boom but the epoxy's weight is insignificant. Some say this extra ten pound will ruin the sail shape in light-air sailing. Simply not so, as more than ten pounds of downward force is placed on the sail when the mainsheet is hauled down as it must be even in light air. All the slightly heavier boom does is make it slightly easier to sheet in the mainsail. 2) Allow me to debunk the second claim concerning a slight bend ruining the shape and trim of the mainsail. Simply not so. Just look how racers intentionally bend their mainmast with fancy backstay pensioners in order to flatten their mainsail for better performance. My boom accomplishes the very same thing because of the bolt rope in the boom and the shelf foot which closes when the outhaul is tightened. The bend has no effect upon the sail shape when the outhaul is eased because then the shelf foot opens up and the sail relaxes along the boom and foot but when the outhaul is tensioned, the shelf foot closes and the bolt rope in the boom tends to flatten the sail. This is such an efficient system that, frankly, I am surprised nobody has thought of it before. The first racer who decides to use a bent boom and a bolt/rope shelf- footed sail will do well because he will have a definite advantage over staid and unoriginal minds (or lack thereof) as demonstrated in the ignorant individuals listed above. These two simple explanations demonstrate how lacking in knowledge everyone except Gilligan is when it comes to knowing what makes a fast boat like "Cut the Mustard" even faster. CN |
Capt. Neal® wrote:
... but when the outhaul is tensioned, the shelf foot closes and the bolt rope in the boom tends to flatten the sail. Once again, a self-proclaimed old salt embarrasses himself by inviting a sweet, innocent, fresh-faced n00b to provide an elementary lecture in the dynamics of the outhaul on a shelf-footed main... The sail is flattened under outhaul tension due to the direct pull between tack and clew. When thus tensioned, the surplus material in the shelf foot sags. Since the shelf is sagging, it imparts no downward pull on the main - it is slack cloth between the bolt rope and the sail, proper. -- Wally www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm www.wally.myby.co.uk |
And, worst (or best) of all, he used a HUNTER as a comparison!
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message .. . Capt Neal I DID not make fun of your boom. I pointed out that the picture of the Hunter was showing a loose footed main that the boom curve would not affect. I really resent your juvenile misuse of my name. That shows me more about your character than anything you could ever write. JR Gilbreath Capt. Neal® wrote: Dear Group and Lurkers, The usual bunch of babbling buffoons in the group's Peanut Gallery has been making fun of my well-repaired boom. They include Whining Oz, Gay Gaynz, JRBadbreath, and Crotchety Ole Thom. They seem to criticize my sturdy boom on the basis of two things mainly. 1) It is heavy ruining light air performance. 2) It is slightly bent thus ruining sail trim. They cannot claim it is weak because it has held up under more than ten years of hard sailing since I repaired it and it is still far stronger than the original extrusion was. It is so well sealed that there still is not a speck of rust or corrosion to be seen. 1) Allow me to debunk the 'heavy' claim. The pipes I used as internal sleeves weighed a total of ten pounds. This means the boom is ten pounds heavier than usual. The epoxy I slathered them with when I slid them home with the help of a 2X6 sealed them and glued them to the boom but the epoxy's weight is insignificant. Some say this extra ten pound will ruin the sail shape in light-air sailing. Simply not so, as more than ten pounds of downward force is placed on the sail when the mainsheet is hauled down as it must be even in light air. All the slightly heavier boom does is make it slightly easier to sheet in the mainsail. 2) Allow me to debunk the second claim concerning a slight bend ruining the shape and trim of the mainsail. Simply not so. Just look how racers intentionally bend their mainmast with fancy backstay pensioners in order to flatten their mainsail for better performance. My boom accomplishes the very same thing because of the bolt rope in the boom and the shelf foot which closes when the outhaul is tightened. The bend has no effect upon the sail shape when the outhaul is eased because then the shelf foot opens up and the sail relaxes along the boom and foot but when the outhaul is tensioned, the shelf foot closes and the bolt rope in the boom tends to flatten the sail. This is such an efficient system that, frankly, I am surprised nobody has thought of it before. The first racer who decides to use a bent boom and a bolt/rope shelf- footed sail will do well because he will have a definite advantage over staid and unoriginal minds (or lack thereof) as demonstrated in the ignorant individuals listed above. These two simple explanations demonstrate how lacking in knowledge everyone except Gilligan is when it comes to knowing what makes a fast boat like "Cut the Mustard" even faster. CN |
But you are forgetting that the special bend in the good Capt's highly
modified, blue water cruising boom puts the center of the sail in vertical tension relative to the two ends when the outhaul is tightened. I can only speculate as to what bottom paint the good Capt uses, for it must have superior adherent characteristics since his fine yacht easily sails at hull speed under all conditions. Gilligan "Wally" wrote in message .uk... Capt. Neal® wrote: ... but when the outhaul is tensioned, the shelf foot closes and the bolt rope in the boom tends to flatten the sail. Once again, a self-proclaimed old salt embarrasses himself by inviting a sweet, innocent, fresh-faced n00b to provide an elementary lecture in the dynamics of the outhaul on a shelf-footed main... The sail is flattened under outhaul tension due to the direct pull between tack and clew. When thus tensioned, the surplus material in the shelf foot sags. Since the shelf is sagging, it imparts no downward pull on the main - it is slack cloth between the bolt rope and the sail, proper. -- Wally www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm www.wally.myby.co.uk |
It is very disappointing, good Capt, to see people have such disdain for
innovation. You are definitely a role model to those who are willing to constantly improve themselves. You can stand shoulder to shoulder with the likes of Eli Whitney, Cyrus McCormick and Filo T. Farnsworth! Gilligan "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Dear Group and Lurkers, The usual bunch of babbling buffoons in the group's Peanut Gallery has been making fun of my well-repaired boom. They include Whining Oz, Gay Gaynz, JRBadbreath, and Crotchety Ole Thom. They seem to criticize my sturdy boom on the basis of two things mainly. 1) It is heavy ruining light air performance. 2) It is slightly bent thus ruining sail trim. They cannot claim it is weak because it has held up under more than ten years of hard sailing since I repaired it and it is still far stronger than the original extrusion was. It is so well sealed that there still is not a speck of rust or corrosion to be seen. 1) Allow me to debunk the 'heavy' claim. The pipes I used as internal sleeves weighed a total of ten pounds. This means the boom is ten pounds heavier than usual. The epoxy I slathered them with when I slid them home with the help of a 2X6 sealed them and glued them to the boom but the epoxy's weight is insignificant. Some say this extra ten pound will ruin the sail shape in light-air sailing. Simply not so, as more than ten pounds of downward force is placed on the sail when the mainsheet is hauled down as it must be even in light air. All the slightly heavier boom does is make it slightly easier to sheet in the mainsail. 2) Allow me to debunk the second claim concerning a slight bend ruining the shape and trim of the mainsail. Simply not so. Just look how racers intentionally bend their mainmast with fancy backstay pensioners in order to flatten their mainsail for better performance. My boom accomplishes the very same thing because of the bolt rope in the boom and the shelf foot which closes when the outhaul is tightened. The bend has no effect upon the sail shape when the outhaul is eased because then the shelf foot opens up and the sail relaxes along the boom and foot but when the outhaul is tensioned, the shelf foot closes and the bolt rope in the boom tends to flatten the sail. This is such an efficient system that, frankly, I am surprised nobody has thought of it before. The first racer who decides to use a bent boom and a bolt/rope shelf- footed sail will do well because he will have a definite advantage over staid and unoriginal minds (or lack thereof) as demonstrated in the ignorant individuals listed above. These two simple explanations demonstrate how lacking in knowledge everyone except Gilligan is when it comes to knowing what makes a fast boat like "Cut the Mustard" even faster. CN |
Yep...not many of us here with an innovative mauve interior in a mustard
colored boat... just thinking about it gives me gas.... "Gilligan" wrote in message .net... It is very disappointing, good Capt, to see people have such disdain for innovation. You are definitely a role model to those who are willing to constantly improve themselves. You can stand shoulder to shoulder with the likes of Eli Whitney, Cyrus McCormick and Filo T. Farnsworth! Gilligan "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Dear Group and Lurkers, The usual bunch of babbling buffoons in the group's Peanut Gallery has been making fun of my well-repaired boom. They include Whining Oz, Gay Gaynz, JRBadbreath, and Crotchety Ole Thom. They seem to criticize my sturdy boom on the basis of two things mainly. 1) It is heavy ruining light air performance. 2) It is slightly bent thus ruining sail trim. They cannot claim it is weak because it has held up under more than ten years of hard sailing since I repaired it and it is still far stronger than the original extrusion was. It is so well sealed that there still is not a speck of rust or corrosion to be seen. 1) Allow me to debunk the 'heavy' claim. The pipes I used as internal sleeves weighed a total of ten pounds. This means the boom is ten pounds heavier than usual. The epoxy I slathered them with when I slid them home with the help of a 2X6 sealed them and glued them to the boom but the epoxy's weight is insignificant. Some say this extra ten pound will ruin the sail shape in light-air sailing. Simply not so, as more than ten pounds of downward force is placed on the sail when the mainsheet is hauled down as it must be even in light air. All the slightly heavier boom does is make it slightly easier to sheet in the mainsail. 2) Allow me to debunk the second claim concerning a slight bend ruining the shape and trim of the mainsail. Simply not so. Just look how racers intentionally bend their mainmast with fancy backstay pensioners in order to flatten their mainsail for better performance. My boom accomplishes the very same thing because of the bolt rope in the boom and the shelf foot which closes when the outhaul is tightened. The bend has no effect upon the sail shape when the outhaul is eased because then the shelf foot opens up and the sail relaxes along the boom and foot but when the outhaul is tensioned, the shelf foot closes and the bolt rope in the boom tends to flatten the sail. This is such an efficient system that, frankly, I am surprised nobody has thought of it before. The first racer who decides to use a bent boom and a bolt/rope shelf- footed sail will do well because he will have a definite advantage over staid and unoriginal minds (or lack thereof) as demonstrated in the ignorant individuals listed above. These two simple explanations demonstrate how lacking in knowledge everyone except Gilligan is when it comes to knowing what makes a fast boat like "Cut the Mustard" even faster. CN |
A good coating of Crisco in the intestine aids digestion and prevents gas.
It can also keep the beehive in shape in any wind (however foul) on the Beaufort scale. "katysails" wrote in message ... Yep...not many of us here with an innovative mauve interior in a mustard colored boat... just thinking about it gives me gas.... "Gilligan" wrote in message .net... It is very disappointing, good Capt, to see people have such disdain for innovation. You are definitely a role model to those who are willing to constantly improve themselves. You can stand shoulder to shoulder with the likes of Eli Whitney, Cyrus McCormick and Filo T. Farnsworth! Gilligan "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Dear Group and Lurkers, The usual bunch of babbling buffoons in the group's Peanut Gallery has been making fun of my well-repaired boom. They include Whining Oz, Gay Gaynz, JRBadbreath, and Crotchety Ole Thom. They seem to criticize my sturdy boom on the basis of two things mainly. 1) It is heavy ruining light air performance. 2) It is slightly bent thus ruining sail trim. They cannot claim it is weak because it has held up under more than ten years of hard sailing since I repaired it and it is still far stronger than the original extrusion was. It is so well sealed that there still is not a speck of rust or corrosion to be seen. 1) Allow me to debunk the 'heavy' claim. The pipes I used as internal sleeves weighed a total of ten pounds. This means the boom is ten pounds heavier than usual. The epoxy I slathered them with when I slid them home with the help of a 2X6 sealed them and glued them to the boom but the epoxy's weight is insignificant. Some say this extra ten pound will ruin the sail shape in light-air sailing. Simply not so, as more than ten pounds of downward force is placed on the sail when the mainsheet is hauled down as it must be even in light air. All the slightly heavier boom does is make it slightly easier to sheet in the mainsail. 2) Allow me to debunk the second claim concerning a slight bend ruining the shape and trim of the mainsail. Simply not so. Just look how racers intentionally bend their mainmast with fancy backstay pensioners in order to flatten their mainsail for better performance. My boom accomplishes the very same thing because of the bolt rope in the boom and the shelf foot which closes when the outhaul is tightened. The bend has no effect upon the sail shape when the outhaul is eased because then the shelf foot opens up and the sail relaxes along the boom and foot but when the outhaul is tensioned, the shelf foot closes and the bolt rope in the boom tends to flatten the sail. This is such an efficient system that, frankly, I am surprised nobody has thought of it before. The first racer who decides to use a bent boom and a bolt/rope shelf- footed sail will do well because he will have a definite advantage over staid and unoriginal minds (or lack thereof) as demonstrated in the ignorant individuals listed above. These two simple explanations demonstrate how lacking in knowledge everyone except Gilligan is when it comes to knowing what makes a fast boat like "Cut the Mustard" even faster. CN |
A good coating of Crisco will do your areteries in so that you won't have to
worry about gas....and I prefer Aqua Net SuperBlend for my beehive, thenk yew veddy much... "Gilligan" wrote in message ink.net... A good coating of Crisco in the intestine aids digestion and prevents gas. It can also keep the beehive in shape in any wind (however foul) on the Beaufort scale. "katysails" wrote in message ... Yep...not many of us here with an innovative mauve interior in a mustard colored boat... just thinking about it gives me gas.... "Gilligan" wrote in message .net... It is very disappointing, good Capt, to see people have such disdain for innovation. You are definitely a role model to those who are willing to constantly improve themselves. You can stand shoulder to shoulder with the likes of Eli Whitney, Cyrus McCormick and Filo T. Farnsworth! Gilligan "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Dear Group and Lurkers, The usual bunch of babbling buffoons in the group's Peanut Gallery has been making fun of my well-repaired boom. They include Whining Oz, Gay Gaynz, JRBadbreath, and Crotchety Ole Thom. They seem to criticize my sturdy boom on the basis of two things mainly. 1) It is heavy ruining light air performance. 2) It is slightly bent thus ruining sail trim. They cannot claim it is weak because it has held up under more than ten years of hard sailing since I repaired it and it is still far stronger than the original extrusion was. It is so well sealed that there still is not a speck of rust or corrosion to be seen. 1) Allow me to debunk the 'heavy' claim. The pipes I used as internal sleeves weighed a total of ten pounds. This means the boom is ten pounds heavier than usual. The epoxy I slathered them with when I slid them home with the help of a 2X6 sealed them and glued them to the boom but the epoxy's weight is insignificant. Some say this extra ten pound will ruin the sail shape in light-air sailing. Simply not so, as more than ten pounds of downward force is placed on the sail when the mainsheet is hauled down as it must be even in light air. All the slightly heavier boom does is make it slightly easier to sheet in the mainsail. 2) Allow me to debunk the second claim concerning a slight bend ruining the shape and trim of the mainsail. Simply not so. Just look how racers intentionally bend their mainmast with fancy backstay pensioners in order to flatten their mainsail for better performance. My boom accomplishes the very same thing because of the bolt rope in the boom and the shelf foot which closes when the outhaul is tightened. The bend has no effect upon the sail shape when the outhaul is eased because then the shelf foot opens up and the sail relaxes along the boom and foot but when the outhaul is tensioned, the shelf foot closes and the bolt rope in the boom tends to flatten the sail. This is such an efficient system that, frankly, I am surprised nobody has thought of it before. The first racer who decides to use a bent boom and a bolt/rope shelf- footed sail will do well because he will have a definite advantage over staid and unoriginal minds (or lack thereof) as demonstrated in the ignorant individuals listed above. These two simple explanations demonstrate how lacking in knowledge everyone except Gilligan is when it comes to knowing what makes a fast boat like "Cut the Mustard" even faster. CN |
Hold a lit match in the spray of that Aqua Net Super Blend and you will find
very little difference between it and your mauve induced gas. "katysails" wrote in message ... A good coating of Crisco will do your areteries in so that you won't have to worry about gas....and I prefer Aqua Net SuperBlend for my beehive, thenk yew veddy much... "Gilligan" wrote in message ink.net... A good coating of Crisco in the intestine aids digestion and prevents gas. It can also keep the beehive in shape in any wind (however foul) on the Beaufort scale. "katysails" wrote in message ... Yep...not many of us here with an innovative mauve interior in a mustard colored boat... just thinking about it gives me gas.... "Gilligan" wrote in message .net... It is very disappointing, good Capt, to see people have such disdain for innovation. You are definitely a role model to those who are willing to constantly improve themselves. You can stand shoulder to shoulder with the likes of Eli Whitney, Cyrus McCormick and Filo T. Farnsworth! Gilligan "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Dear Group and Lurkers, The usual bunch of babbling buffoons in the group's Peanut Gallery has been making fun of my well-repaired boom. They include Whining Oz, Gay Gaynz, JRBadbreath, and Crotchety Ole Thom. They seem to criticize my sturdy boom on the basis of two things mainly. 1) It is heavy ruining light air performance. 2) It is slightly bent thus ruining sail trim. They cannot claim it is weak because it has held up under more than ten years of hard sailing since I repaired it and it is still far stronger than the original extrusion was. It is so well sealed that there still is not a speck of rust or corrosion to be seen. 1) Allow me to debunk the 'heavy' claim. The pipes I used as internal sleeves weighed a total of ten pounds. This means the boom is ten pounds heavier than usual. The epoxy I slathered them with when I slid them home with the help of a 2X6 sealed them and glued them to the boom but the epoxy's weight is insignificant. Some say this extra ten pound will ruin the sail shape in light-air sailing. Simply not so, as more than ten pounds of downward force is placed on the sail when the mainsheet is hauled down as it must be even in light air. All the slightly heavier boom does is make it slightly easier to sheet in the mainsail. 2) Allow me to debunk the second claim concerning a slight bend ruining the shape and trim of the mainsail. Simply not so. Just look how racers intentionally bend their mainmast with fancy backstay pensioners in order to flatten their mainsail for better performance. My boom accomplishes the very same thing because of the bolt rope in the boom and the shelf foot which closes when the outhaul is tightened. The bend has no effect upon the sail shape when the outhaul is eased because then the shelf foot opens up and the sail relaxes along the boom and foot but when the outhaul is tensioned, the shelf foot closes and the bolt rope in the boom tends to flatten the sail. This is such an efficient system that, frankly, I am surprised nobody has thought of it before. The first racer who decides to use a bent boom and a bolt/rope shelf- footed sail will do well because he will have a definite advantage over staid and unoriginal minds (or lack thereof) as demonstrated in the ignorant individuals listed above. These two simple explanations demonstrate how lacking in knowledge everyone except Gilligan is when it comes to knowing what makes a fast boat like "Cut the Mustard" even faster. CN |
"JR Gilbreath" wrote in message .. . Capt Neal I DID not make fun of your boom. I pointed out that the picture of the Hunter was showing a loose footed main that the boom curve would not affect. I really resent your juvenile misuse of my name. That shows me more about your character than anything you could ever write. JR Gilbreath But, you should ask yourself, "What does it say about the good Captain's trolling prowess?" Did you notice how many fish, besides yourself, that are now flopping around upon my foredeck? All with one simple cast of a skillfully-baited hook. CN |
Wally, you certainly are not the sharpest tool in the shed!
Your contention that the shelf 'sags' when the outhaul is tensioned does not occur in real life. I guess you have never sailed a yacht that uses a proper shelf-footed sail. More on why your comments make little or no sense. When the outhaul is tensioned so the shelf foot is collapsed then what would be the foot (if the shelf were suddenly removed) becomes taut, as does the shelf itself, since the shelf is not removed in fact but still attached to the taut foot. Therefore, it follows that the shelf still exerts a downward force on the taut foot (the part of the sail the shelf is attached to). This imparted force is along the entire length of the boom so the sail is flattened just as if you were looking at the luff of a mainsail that is stretched along the length of a bent mast under tension from an hydraulic backstay tensioner. After all, does not the luff of a mainsail mimic a shelf foot in that it is cupped for aerodynamics? What has happened to the minds of young people these days in that they cannot envision simple concepts in their heads? That which is second-nature to the likes of myself and Gilligan seems foreign to the Television-addicted generation of today, a generation totally bereft of imagination. CN "Wally" wrote in message .uk... Capt. Neal® wrote: ... but when the outhaul is tensioned, the shelf foot closes and the bolt rope in the boom tends to flatten the sail. Once again, a self-proclaimed old salt embarrasses himself by inviting a sweet, innocent, fresh-faced n00b to provide an elementary lecture in the dynamics of the outhaul on a shelf-footed main... The sail is flattened under outhaul tension due to the direct pull between tack and clew. When thus tensioned, the surplus material in the shelf foot sags. Since the shelf is sagging, it imparts no downward pull on the main - it is slack cloth between the bolt rope and the sail, proper. -- Wally www.artbywally.com/FiatPandaRally/index.htm www.wally.myby.co.uk |
Capt Kneel
A good fisherman would have a place to store his catch. There isn't room on your foredeck for a minnow much less a fish. I wasn't going to mention it before but your Hong Hong sails look pretty cheap with those webbings in place of shackles but they do go well with the rest of your rigging. I just love those anchor lines for halyards. However, I do think the boat is perfect for you. JR Capt. Neal® wrote: "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message .. . Capt Neal I DID not make fun of your boom. I pointed out that the picture of the Hunter was showing a loose footed main that the boom curve would not affect. I really resent your juvenile misuse of my name. That shows me more about your character than anything you could ever write. JR Gilbreath But, you should ask yourself, "What does it say about the good Captain's trolling prowess?" Did you notice how many fish, besides yourself, that are now flopping around upon my foredeck? All with one simple cast of a skillfully-baited hook. CN |
If you were half as observant as you are critical you would have noticed that my halyards are wire and rope. The 'anchor line' halyards are three- strand Dacron for easy eye splicing. They are primarily for wrapping around the winches as wire tends to be hard on the winch barrels. Webbing in place of shackles on the sails? Since when do sails have shackles? Did you mean cringles per chance? Did you not notice the webbing fastens the reefing point cringles to the sail? As for my catch, I prefer to kick junk fish right back off the deck into the water before they stink up the joint. I hope this helps. CN "JR Gilbreath" emoted: Capt Kneel A good fisherman would have a place to store his catch. There isn't room on your foredeck for a minnow much less a fish. I wasn't going to mention it before but your Hong Hong sails look pretty cheap with those webbings in place of shackles but they do go well with the rest of your rigging. I just love those anchor lines for halyards. However, I do think the boat is perfect for you. JR |
Wrong Neal,
The shelve puts no downward pressure on the foot of the Main. That is not its function. It is meant to let the sail to be shaped by the tack & clew. Ole Thom |
Yes, 'tis truly a shame so many are so narrow-minded and lobotomized by liberalism. But, what do you expect when they are brainwashed by a liberal educational system that stifles creativity in favor of a herd mentality? CN "Gilligan" wrote in message .net... It is very disappointing, good Capt, to see people have such disdain for innovation. You are definitely a role model to those who are willing to constantly improve themselves. You can stand shoulder to shoulder with the likes of Eli Whitney, Cyrus McCormick and Filo T. Farnsworth! Gilligan "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Dear Group and Lurkers, The usual bunch of babbling buffoons in the group's Peanut Gallery has been making fun of my well-repaired boom. They include Whining Oz, Gay Gaynz, JRBadbreath, and Crotchety Ole Thom. They seem to criticize my sturdy boom on the basis of two things mainly. 1) It is heavy ruining light air performance. 2) It is slightly bent thus ruining sail trim. They cannot claim it is weak because it has held up under more than ten years of hard sailing since I repaired it and it is still far stronger than the original extrusion was. It is so well sealed that there still is not a speck of rust or corrosion to be seen. 1) Allow me to debunk the 'heavy' claim. The pipes I used as internal sleeves weighed a total of ten pounds. This means the boom is ten pounds heavier than usual. The epoxy I slathered them with when I slid them home with the help of a 2X6 sealed them and glued them to the boom but the epoxy's weight is insignificant. Some say this extra ten pound will ruin the sail shape in light-air sailing. Simply not so, as more than ten pounds of downward force is placed on the sail when the mainsheet is hauled down as it must be even in light air. All the slightly heavier boom does is make it slightly easier to sheet in the mainsail. 2) Allow me to debunk the second claim concerning a slight bend ruining the shape and trim of the mainsail. Simply not so. Just look how racers intentionally bend their mainmast with fancy backstay pensioners in order to flatten their mainsail for better performance. My boom accomplishes the very same thing because of the bolt rope in the boom and the shelf foot which closes when the outhaul is tightened. The bend has no effect upon the sail shape when the outhaul is eased because then the shelf foot opens up and the sail relaxes along the boom and foot but when the outhaul is tensioned, the shelf foot closes and the bolt rope in the boom tends to flatten the sail. This is such an efficient system that, frankly, I am surprised nobody has thought of it before. The first racer who decides to use a bent boom and a bolt/rope shelf- footed sail will do well because he will have a definite advantage over staid and unoriginal minds (or lack thereof) as demonstrated in the ignorant individuals listed above. These two simple explanations demonstrate how lacking in knowledge everyone except Gilligan is when it comes to knowing what makes a fast boat like "Cut the Mustard" even faster. CN |
No Capt I mean shackles but I guess you would not be familar with a sail
that used metal shackles to attach a slider to the main. Why am I not surprised? Capt. Neal® wrote: If you were half as observant as you are critical you would have noticed that my halyards are wire and rope. The 'anchor line' halyards are three- strand Dacron for easy eye splicing. They are primarily for wrapping around the winches as wire tends to be hard on the winch barrels. Webbing in place of shackles on the sails? Since when do sails have shackles? Did you mean cringles per chance? Did you not notice the webbing fastens the reefing point cringles to the sail? As for my catch, I prefer to kick junk fish right back off the deck into the water before they stink up the joint. I hope this helps. CN "JR Gilbreath" emoted: Capt Kneel A good fisherman would have a place to store his catch. There isn't room on your foredeck for a minnow much less a fish. I wasn't going to mention it before but your Hong Hong sails look pretty cheap with those webbings in place of shackles but they do go well with the rest of your rigging. I just love those anchor lines for halyards. However, I do think the boat is perfect for you. JR |
You should have called them 'slugs' as any sailor would know how a sail is attached when there is an internal track on the mast. I have no shackles on my mainsail. My sliding slugs are attached with webbing - a seamanlike set-up. You have no shackles on your mainsail either. If you have an external track you have 'sail slides'. I hope this helps. CN "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message ... No Capt I mean shackles but I guess you would not be familar with a sail that used metal shackles to attach a slider to the main. Why am I not surprised? Capt. Neal® wrote: If you were half as observant as you are critical you would have noticed that my halyards are wire and rope. The 'anchor line' halyards are three- strand Dacron for easy eye splicing. They are primarily for wrapping around the winches as wire tends to be hard on the winch barrels. Webbing in place of shackles on the sails? Since when do sails have shackles? Did you mean cringles per chance? Did you not notice the webbing fastens the reefing point cringles to the sail? As for my catch, I prefer to kick junk fish right back off the deck into the water before they stink up the joint. I hope this helps. CN "JR Gilbreath" emoted: Capt Kneel A good fisherman would have a place to store his catch. There isn't room on your foredeck for a minnow much less a fish. I wasn't going to mention it before but your Hong Hong sails look pretty cheap with those webbings in place of shackles but they do go well with the rest of your rigging. I just love those anchor lines for halyards. However, I do think the boat is perfect for you. JR |
Do an experiment. This experiment will prove you wrong. Take a piece of bungee cord and stretch it. Does it not get thinner? Take a bra strap and stretch it. Does it not get thinner? Take a four-inch wide length of Dacron sail cloth and stretch it. Does it not become less than four inches wide? The answer to all of the above is Yes! Therefore when the shelf foot is stretched, it also becomes less wide. When it becomes less wide it pulls down on the foot of the sail. Duh! CN "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Wrong Neal, The shelve puts no downward pressure on the foot of the Main. That is not its function. It is meant to let the sail to be shaped by the tack & clew. Ole Thom |
You are truly amazing. My mainsail is attached with shackles and since
you aren't familiar with them here a web page to introduce you. http://www.sailmakerssupply.com/Stor.../Shackles.html Good night and good luck to anyone who has to deal with you. I don't. Capt. Neal® wrote: You should have called them 'slugs' as any sailor would know how a sail is attached when there is an internal track on the mast. I have no shackles on my mainsail. My sliding slugs are attached with webbing - a seamanlike set-up. You have no shackles on your mainsail either. If you have an external track you have 'sail slides'. I hope this helps. CN "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message ... No Capt I mean shackles but I guess you would not be familar with a sail that used metal shackles to attach a slider to the main. Why am I not surprised? Capt. Neal® wrote: If you were half as observant as you are critical you would have noticed that my halyards are wire and rope. The 'anchor line' halyards are three- strand Dacron for easy eye splicing. They are primarily for wrapping around the winches as wire tends to be hard on the winch barrels. Webbing in place of shackles on the sails? Since when do sails have shackles? Did you mean cringles per chance? Did you not notice the webbing fastens the reefing point cringles to the sail? As for my catch, I prefer to kick junk fish right back off the deck into the water before they stink up the joint. I hope this helps. CN "JR Gilbreath" emoted: Capt Kneel A good fisherman would have a place to store his catch. There isn't room on your foredeck for a minnow much less a fish. I wasn't going to mention it before but your Hong Hong sails look pretty cheap with those webbings in place of shackles but they do go well with the rest of your rigging. I just love those anchor lines for halyards. However, I do think the boat is perfect for you. JR |
most likely...
"Gilligan" wrote in message k.net... Hold a lit match in the spray of that Aqua Net Super Blend and you will find very little difference between it and your mauve induced gas. "katysails" wrote in message ... A good coating of Crisco will do your areteries in so that you won't have to worry about gas....and I prefer Aqua Net SuperBlend for my beehive, thenk yew veddy much... "Gilligan" wrote in message ink.net... A good coating of Crisco in the intestine aids digestion and prevents gas. It can also keep the beehive in shape in any wind (however foul) on the Beaufort scale. "katysails" wrote in message ... Yep...not many of us here with an innovative mauve interior in a mustard colored boat... just thinking about it gives me gas.... "Gilligan" wrote in message .net... It is very disappointing, good Capt, to see people have such disdain for innovation. You are definitely a role model to those who are willing to constantly improve themselves. You can stand shoulder to shoulder with the likes of Eli Whitney, Cyrus McCormick and Filo T. Farnsworth! Gilligan "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Dear Group and Lurkers, The usual bunch of babbling buffoons in the group's Peanut Gallery has been making fun of my well-repaired boom. They include Whining Oz, Gay Gaynz, JRBadbreath, and Crotchety Ole Thom. They seem to criticize my sturdy boom on the basis of two things mainly. 1) It is heavy ruining light air performance. 2) It is slightly bent thus ruining sail trim. They cannot claim it is weak because it has held up under more than ten years of hard sailing since I repaired it and it is still far stronger than the original extrusion was. It is so well sealed that there still is not a speck of rust or corrosion to be seen. 1) Allow me to debunk the 'heavy' claim. The pipes I used as internal sleeves weighed a total of ten pounds. This means the boom is ten pounds heavier than usual. The epoxy I slathered them with when I slid them home with the help of a 2X6 sealed them and glued them to the boom but the epoxy's weight is insignificant. Some say this extra ten pound will ruin the sail shape in light-air sailing. Simply not so, as more than ten pounds of downward force is placed on the sail when the mainsheet is hauled down as it must be even in light air. All the slightly heavier boom does is make it slightly easier to sheet in the mainsail. 2) Allow me to debunk the second claim concerning a slight bend ruining the shape and trim of the mainsail. Simply not so. Just look how racers intentionally bend their mainmast with fancy backstay pensioners in order to flatten their mainsail for better performance. My boom accomplishes the very same thing because of the bolt rope in the boom and the shelf foot which closes when the outhaul is tightened. The bend has no effect upon the sail shape when the outhaul is eased because then the shelf foot opens up and the sail relaxes along the boom and foot but when the outhaul is tensioned, the shelf foot closes and the bolt rope in the boom tends to flatten the sail. This is such an efficient system that, frankly, I am surprised nobody has thought of it before. The first racer who decides to use a bent boom and a bolt/rope shelf- footed sail will do well because he will have a definite advantage over staid and unoriginal minds (or lack thereof) as demonstrated in the ignorant individuals listed above. These two simple explanations demonstrate how lacking in knowledge everyone except Gilligan is when it comes to knowing what makes a fast boat like "Cut the Mustard" even faster. CN |
Oz,
You know Neal claimed he had a shelve in his old main. I'm thinking now that his old main was so blown out that he is under the impression that the blown out section of his bolt footed main was mistaken for a shelve. I'm not sure I didn't have a lot to do with him getting involved with a true fitted shelve main. When I ordered my new main from North I forgot to mention the shelve and it came without. Do you think he got the wrong idea when I mentioned my oversight? I'm beginning to think this is his first Free Footed main he's ever own. He doesn't know how the hell it works and what it can and can't do. I've tried to clue him in on it, without success. Ole Thom |
Neal,
Let's try again! The shelf is much more like a pleat in a pair of pants. When pressure is put on them (Pants) the pleat opens and when the pressure is released the pleat folds. There is no stretching. It is simply opening and closing. Now, you take your stupid experiment of a piece of dacron sail cloth. Neal, if it is decent sail cloth, you damn well won't be able to stretch it at all. When your sails start to stretch it is time to replace them. Your experiment is FU in concept. Your shelf folds and unfolds. Your outhaul doesn't stretch your sails foot, it tension it. If you are stretching the foot DON"T!! http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage |
Thom
If you will check the pictures of Capt neal new sails you will see that the main is not free footed. JR Thom Stewart wrote: Oz, You know Neal claimed he had a shelve in his old main. I'm thinking now that his old main was so blown out that he is under the impression that the blown out section of his bolt footed main was mistaken for a shelve. I'm not sure I didn't have a lot to do with him getting involved with a true fitted shelve main. When I ordered my new main from North I forgot to mention the shelve and it came without. Do you think he got the wrong idea when I mentioned my oversight? I'm beginning to think this is his first Free Footed main he's ever own. He doesn't know how the hell it works and what it can and can't do. I've tried to clue him in on it, without success. Ole Thom |
JR,
That picture of his Hong Kong Main shows a shelve. JR, a shelve fitted main is a Free Footed Main. The shelve is ONLY to prevent air from creating a vortex, Is you look at that picture you will see that the airfoil shape carries to the very bottom of the sail, then the shelve (which is open) carries straight across to the boom. Just like a "shelve" the reason for its' name. JR, think of your own main REEFED. You have a free footed sail with the access sail folded and loosely tied to the boom . It should never be tied tight enough for support. |
Bwahahaha... wire and rope?? Time to get into the 21st century. Is Neal
stupid or what? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message ... No Capt I mean shackles but I guess you would not be familar with a sail that used metal shackles to attach a slider to the main. Why am I not surprised? Capt. Neal® wrote: If you were half as observant as you are critical you would have noticed that my halyards are wire and rope. The 'anchor line' halyards are three- strand Dacron for easy eye splicing. They are primarily for wrapping around the winches as wire tends to be hard on the winch barrels. Webbing in place of shackles on the sails? Since when do sails have shackles? Did you mean cringles per chance? Did you not notice the webbing fastens the reefing point cringles to the sail? As for my catch, I prefer to kick junk fish right back off the deck into the water before they stink up the joint. I hope this helps. CN "JR Gilbreath" emoted: Capt Kneel A good fisherman would have a place to store his catch. There isn't room on your foredeck for a minnow much less a fish. I wasn't going to mention it before but your Hong Hong sails look pretty cheap with those webbings in place of shackles but they do go well with the rest of your rigging. I just love those anchor lines for halyards. However, I do think the boat is perfect for you. JR |
Thom
Sorry my mistake, I had just never heard of a mainsail that was attached to the boom with a bolt rope be described as free footed. JR Thom Stewart wrote: JR, That picture of his Hong Kong Main shows a shelve. JR, a shelve fitted main is a Free Footed Main. The shelve is ONLY to prevent air from creating a vortex, Is you look at that picture you will see that the airfoil shape carries to the very bottom of the sail, then the shelve (which is open) carries straight across to the boom. Just like a "shelve" the reason for its' name. JR, think of your own main REEFED. You have a free footed sail with the access sail folded and loosely tied to the boom . It should never be tied tight enough for support. |
http://www.optiparts.com/spars.html
"The SILVER boom bends more than the GOLD boom. The bending boom will flatten and depower the sail which enables the lightweight sailor to go faster in more wind." Since your boom is bent opposite to the bend referenced above, it could only mean that your sails have higher power! Muffin Man "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Dear Group and Lurkers, The usual bunch of babbling buffoons in the group's Peanut Gallery has been making fun of my well-repaired boom. They include Whining Oz, Gay Gaynz, JRBadbreath, and Crotchety Ole Thom. They seem to criticize my sturdy boom on the basis of two things mainly. 1) It is heavy ruining light air performance. 2) It is slightly bent thus ruining sail trim. They cannot claim it is weak because it has held up under more than ten years of hard sailing since I repaired it and it is still far stronger than the original extrusion was. It is so well sealed that there still is not a speck of rust or corrosion to be seen. 1) Allow me to debunk the 'heavy' claim. The pipes I used as internal sleeves weighed a total of ten pounds. This means the boom is ten pounds heavier than usual. The epoxy I slathered them with when I slid them home with the help of a 2X6 sealed them and glued them to the boom but the epoxy's weight is insignificant. Some say this extra ten pound will ruin the sail shape in light-air sailing. Simply not so, as more than ten pounds of downward force is placed on the sail when the mainsheet is hauled down as it must be even in light air. All the slightly heavier boom does is make it slightly easier to sheet in the mainsail. 2) Allow me to debunk the second claim concerning a slight bend ruining the shape and trim of the mainsail. Simply not so. Just look how racers intentionally bend their mainmast with fancy backstay pensioners in order to flatten their mainsail for better performance. My boom accomplishes the very same thing because of the bolt rope in the boom and the shelf foot which closes when the outhaul is tightened. The bend has no effect upon the sail shape when the outhaul is eased because then the shelf foot opens up and the sail relaxes along the boom and foot but when the outhaul is tensioned, the shelf foot closes and the bolt rope in the boom tends to flatten the sail. This is such an efficient system that, frankly, I am surprised nobody has thought of it before. The first racer who decides to use a bent boom and a bolt/rope shelf- footed sail will do well because he will have a definite advantage over staid and unoriginal minds (or lack thereof) as demonstrated in the ignorant individuals listed above. These two simple explanations demonstrate how lacking in knowledge everyone except Gilligan is when it comes to knowing what makes a fast boat like "Cut the Mustard" even faster. CN |
I don't know Thom...... the only quick glance I had of Capt. Neal's photos
didn't seem to show a free footed main like mine.... I always thought he had a bolt rope along the boom. I'm probably wrong about the configuration. As well I don't think my main has a shelf and it's a free footed design with full battens. I had it recut to that from the original North Main. CM "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... JR, That picture of his Hong Kong Main shows a shelve. JR, a shelve fitted main is a Free Footed Main. The shelve is ONLY to prevent air from creating a vortex, Is you look at that picture you will see that the airfoil shape carries to the very bottom of the sail, then the shelve (which is open) carries straight across to the boom. Just like a "shelve" the reason for its' name. JR, think of your own main REEFED. You have a free footed sail with the access sail folded and loosely tied to the boom . It should never be tied tight enough for support. |
Yeah Oz,
Water they can collect. Sailing here in the Pacific NW I'm very aware of it. So is everyone that sails with me. On my old boat,which had the shelf when I said ; "Ready to Tack" they would scamble to windward as soon as I said; "Helm's Alee" As the boom swung across the cockpit the shelf would turn itself inside out with the wind and dump a load of water in the cockpit and Lee side seat. One dousing trained them very rapidly. This Main sails a lot drier. Ole Thom |
Neal,
How in the world is the shelf going to pull DOWN when the foot of the sail is at the top side of the Boom and the Shelve comes out of the top side slot of the Boom. When the foot of the sail forms the airfoil shape the bottom of the sail that is attached to the shelf is at a 90 degree angle to the sail's foot and a 90 degree angle to the boom slot.( Look at your own picture) Tell me from these angle how a piece of cloth can pull downward (DUH) Maybe your friend Gilly can help you explain how it occurs (GRIN) Neal, each post you or Gilly make is getting dumber and dumber. A couple of more posts and the group will have to load the both of you on the "Short Bus" for a refresher course in the "Special Ed' class:^) Ole Thom |
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Sorry about the false post. Hit the wrong key.
Anyway; I truly hope that we cleared up Gilly's and your: "Total lack of understanding." of the weakness of your repaired Boom and your misconceptions about your "Shelf footed Main." I really didn't realize how total your misunderstand was. If you're still unsure just post another "Dumb statement or misconceived Experiment an I, and I'm sure many in the group, will be glad to point out you errors Ole Thom P/S I've posted some picture of my main on my "Home Page" Take a look. You can make up some BS about them http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage |
Neal,
I thought your; "Total lack of understanding" was just to your new main but after looking at your pictures I see you also have a total lack of sail trim on "Wing-on-Wing" Where would you and just how would you set your whisker pole. Neal, Your Jenny should be outside your shroud. If you are flying it inside your shroud it is much to tight for any use. It should be flown outside the shroud and drawn up at the peak at around 10" I tell my crew to think of their head from ear to ear just touching the shroud and jenny for up wind. That should give you a nice shape Airfoil, as a starter. It is then up to the helmsman to sail the proper course Give it a try. it will give you more speed up wind and just about 0 Lee way. It sure as hell will be a lot easier on the sail, not riding on the rigging. When W-O-W the clew shouldn't be back any farther than the shroud. Even is you don't "Pole Out". The main should be vang down and halyard tension eased but not enough to create a "Wowie" in the Tack and back stay tension should be eased Ole Thom http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage |
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