"Donal" wrote
I'd happily admit that the Tartan has a better "build quality".
However,
I'd kill myself if a Tartan beat me in a race.



You may be thinking of the older full keel Tartans. But some of them
(I'm thinking of the 41 & 43) were pretty fast too. The newer Tartans
are all quite modern designs and perform well. They're similar to the
C&C 110 & 121... same designer... went for a more traditional look about
the deck and cabin trunk


Scott Vernon wrote:
I was asking Doug.


Maybe Donal would believe Navvie's opinion?

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote
I'd happily admit that the Tartan has a better "build quality".
However,
I'd kill myself if a Tartan beat me in a race.



You may be thinking of the older full keel Tartans.

My experience of Tartans is limited to the versions that were displayed at
the Southampton Boat Show. Tartans are not very common over here.

My impression was that they were well constructed, but "sedate". I got the
impression that they were a safe, rather than a "fun" boat to sail.



Regards



Donal
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So, in other words, you settled for an unsafe, but fun to sail,
Beneteau instead?

CN

"Donal" wrote in message ...

"DSK" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote
I'd happily admit that the Tartan has a better "build quality".
However,
I'd kill myself if a Tartan beat me in a race.



You may be thinking of the older full keel Tartans.

My experience of Tartans is limited to the versions that were displayed at
the Southampton Boat Show. Tartans are not very common over here.

My impression was that they were well constructed, but "sedate". I got the
impression that they were a safe, rather than a "fun" boat to sail.



Regards



Donal
--

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...


So, in other words, you settled for an unsafe, but fun to sail,
Beneteau instead?

I believe that Donal prefers to live life on the edge..... considering the
daily drudge of his work and the burdensome yoke of superior ethics and
morals.

CM

CM

That isn't what he said, Neal

His Benny is safer than a Coranado with cheap Hong Kong Sails on a
poorly repaired Boom. He never said his Benny was unsafe.

You're changing Context. Just like your buddy Doug does and the other
Liberials.

Ole Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage

"Thom Stewart" mumbled in a fog:


You're changing Context. Just like your buddy Doug does and the other
Liberials.

Ole Thom

Them's fightin' words. Calling me a liberal is likely to cause you
to go straight to Hell. There is no worse insult IMHO. (Not quite
as much of an insult is asking me to look at pictures of your pilot
house sloop - but close, very close!)

CN

CN

Donal wrote:
My experience of Tartans is limited to the versions that were displayed at
the Southampton Boat Show. Tartans are not very common over here.

My impression was that they were well constructed, but "sedate". I got the
impression that they were a safe, rather than a "fun" boat to sail.


That may be the way they're marketed. Anyway, the newer Tartans are not
Gran Prix boats but they're certainly not slow. What year models were
you looking at?

BTW have you seen and/or sailed a Beneteau First Class 12? A friend of
mine is considering buying one.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Donal wrote:
My experience of Tartans is limited to the versions that were displayed
at
the Southampton Boat Show. Tartans are not very common over here.

My impression was that they were well constructed, but "sedate". I got
the
impression that they were a safe, rather than a "fun" boat to sail.


That may be the way they're marketed. Anyway, the newer Tartans are not
Gran Prix boats but they're certainly not slow. What year models were
you looking at?

IIRC, I looked at a Tartan about 4 years ago. The model that I looked at
had a clever galley design. There was a pull-up section in the galley which
provided extra work surface. The quality seemed to be very good, but I
formed the opinion that she would never exceed hull speed.


BTW have you seen and/or sailed a Beneteau First Class 12? A friend of
mine is considering buying one.

I thought that I had already replied to this. However I can't see anything
in my newsreader.

I don't know anything about the "12". I tried the Beneteau web site, but I
couldn't find it. I also tried to Google with "Beneteau First 12" and
couldn't find it that way either. Beneteau seem to be completely clueless
about web design.



Regards


Donal
--

.... the newer Tartans are not
Gran Prix boats but they're certainly not slow. What year models were
you looking at?



Donal wrote:
IIRC, I looked at a Tartan about 4 years ago.

OK that should have been one of the newer series.

... The model that I looked at
had a clever galley design. There was a pull-up section in the galley which
provided extra work surface. The quality seemed to be very good, but I
formed the opinion that she would never exceed hull speed.


Shucks any boat can exceed hull speed. The tricky part is, under what
conditions? Anyway the newer Tartans (3400, 3700, 4100, etc etc) are all
in the range of racer-cruisers, performance wise. D/Ls around ~200 and
SA/Ds around ~20, not slugs for sure.


BTW have you seen and/or sailed a Beneteau First Class 12? A friend of
mine is considering buying one.


I thought that I had already replied to this. However I can't see anything
in my newsreader.

I don't know anything about the "12". I tried the Beneteau web site, but I
couldn't find it. I also tried to Google with "Beneteau First 12" and
couldn't find it that way either. Beneteau seem to be completely clueless
about web design.


A lot businesses in the same boat. Anyway I dunno how serious my friend
is, it seems likely they'll go for a boat with a lot more cabin.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"DSK" blathered thusly:

Shucks any boat can exceed hull speed. The tricky part is, under what
conditions? Anyway the newer Tartans (3400, 3700, 4100, etc etc) are all
in the range of racer-cruisers, performance wise. D/Ls around ~200 and
SA/Ds around ~20, not slugs for sure.


Put a big enough diesel in it and, yes, it can. That's why you 'sail' your
motorboat, isn't it?

CN