"DSK" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote
I'd happily admit that the Tartan has a better "build quality".
However,
I'd kill myself if a Tartan beat me in a race.



You may be thinking of the older full keel Tartans.

My experience of Tartans is limited to the versions that were displayed at
the Southampton Boat Show. Tartans are not very common over here.

My impression was that they were well constructed, but "sedate". I got the
impression that they were a safe, rather than a "fun" boat to sail.



Regards



Donal
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So, in other words, you settled for an unsafe, but fun to sail,
Beneteau instead?

CN

"Donal" wrote in message ...

"DSK" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote
I'd happily admit that the Tartan has a better "build quality".
However,
I'd kill myself if a Tartan beat me in a race.



You may be thinking of the older full keel Tartans.

My experience of Tartans is limited to the versions that were displayed at
the Southampton Boat Show. Tartans are not very common over here.

My impression was that they were well constructed, but "sedate". I got the
impression that they were a safe, rather than a "fun" boat to sail.



Regards



Donal
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"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...


So, in other words, you settled for an unsafe, but fun to sail,
Beneteau instead?

I believe that Donal prefers to live life on the edge..... considering the
daily drudge of his work and the burdensome yoke of superior ethics and
morals.

CM

CM

Well, today we go out and put the Mac in the water by ourselves. We
intend to
stay on the lake Sat night and Sun night, or we may come home Sun
evening.
We
are provisioned for two nights.


The boat is very large. It intimidates us. We were dighny (sp?)
sailors
before
this. This thing is like sailing an RV. The 150% genoa is more
sail than
our
main and jib together on the Apollo. Trailering is no problem. I've
driven it
through Denver rush hour twice now. I won't have to do that again,
and I
won't
do that again. Nonetheless, I can trailor this boat now.


I know that, in actuallity, it is safer than the Apollo. At least
on the
resevoir the most it will do is get knocked down, but it will come
back
up.
Even when it gets knocked down, the cockpit is still above the
water.
Nonetheless, it has a 28 foot mast and the whole boat is simply huge
in
our
eyes.


One thing I can say about the mac: When you have the owners manual,
the
brochure is a joke. It's not quick to rig, it's not light to tow.
Quite
simply, it is a lot of boat. However, if you have at least a 300 cu
in
engine, and a the mast raising system, you're good to go. If you
buy a
Mac,
get the mast raising system, by all means.


By the way, someone once told me to never get the cockpit cushions
Macgregor
sells. We did, and they are great. It's hard to trust what people
say, I
swear
to god.


Anyway, If I return, I will report. Until then, this is Ed
"Gilligan"
Gordon
signing off.


P.S. Before you laugh, really think about what Gilligan had.


Ed

That isn't what he said, Neal

His Benny is safer than a Coranado with cheap Hong Kong Sails on a
poorly repaired Boom. He never said his Benny was unsafe.

You're changing Context. Just like your buddy Doug does and the other
Liberials.

Ole Thom




http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsPage

"Thom Stewart" mumbled in a fog:


You're changing Context. Just like your buddy Doug does and the other
Liberials.

Ole Thom

Them's fightin' words. Calling me a liberal is likely to cause you
to go straight to Hell. There is no worse insult IMHO. (Not quite
as much of an insult is asking me to look at pictures of your pilot
house sloop - but close, very close!)

CN

CN

i used to have a chevy van that had a 350 ci engine
except it was a 5 speed on the floor
i also drove it thru denver, up and down the rockies
i would do it again........in a heart beat!
hope this helps
gf.

"EGordon873" wrote in message
...
Quite
simply, it is a lot of boat. However, if you have at least a 300 cu
in
engine, and a the mast raising system, you're good to go.
"Gilligan"
Gordon
signing off.


P.S. Before you laugh, really think about what Gilligan had.


Ed

am already laughing

Donal wrote:
My experience of Tartans is limited to the versions that were displayed at
the Southampton Boat Show. Tartans are not very common over here.

My impression was that they were well constructed, but "sedate". I got the
impression that they were a safe, rather than a "fun" boat to sail.


That may be the way they're marketed. Anyway, the newer Tartans are not
Gran Prix boats but they're certainly not slow. What year models were
you looking at?

BTW have you seen and/or sailed a Beneteau First Class 12? A friend of
mine is considering buying one.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Donal wrote:
"Frank" wrote...
We've talked about cats, too; but have yet to charter a cruising
cat to
see if we find the experience enjoyable in the same sort of way we
enjoy monohull sailing. We're gonna do that sometime soon.

A friend in my sailing club is moving back to a monohull - or "half
a
boat". He's finally convinced his wife that they would enjoy sailing
more
if they could sail to wind. He's spent the last 5 years telling us
that his
cat could point as high as a monohull!!
My gut feeling is that if your wife actually enjoys sailing, then you
should
ignore catamarans.
Also, before you buy a big boat, take into consideration the fact
that your
kids will be gone in a few years. You will have to park it with only
your
wife as crew. I'd love to buy a Malo 42, but I don't think that my
diminutive spouse would be able to hold the lines while we tied up.

All good comments and I appreciate 'em. A cat is at the far end of
possible consideration for us and, if we went that way or went for some
generic used charter boat, it would just be for the couple of years
while we're cruising with the girls. Then we'd unload it to buy our
"real/retirement boat", a Freedom 38, which is the world's easiest
single-hander.

We both do enjoy actually sailing, so no crab crushers would make even
our most inclusive list of possibilities. I did a lotta deliveries in
the 70's and 80's of boats up to 50 feet, sometimes single-handed; so
having my wife along always feels like I'm loafing. With the kids added
to the mix, it almost feels like a competitive race crew! Well, almost.


For most labor-intensive activities, my wife's on the helm and I'm
doing the heavy lifting. Does your wife not like to be at the wheel? I
always find it slightly painful to sit in an anchorage and watch a 6'2"
240-pound ex-linebacker with a delicate grip on the helm yelling at his
5'2" 100-pound wife on the foredeck wrestling with a CQR almost as big
as she is. What's wrong with this picture?

Frank

"Frank" wrote in message
oups.com...
Donal wrote:
"Frank" wrote...
We've talked about cats, too; but have yet to charter a cruising
cat to
see if we find the experience enjoyable in the same sort of way we
enjoy monohull sailing. We're gonna do that sometime soon.

A friend in my sailing club is moving back to a monohull - or "half
a
boat". He's finally convinced his wife that they would enjoy sailing
more
if they could sail to wind. He's spent the last 5 years telling us
that his
cat could point as high as a monohull!!
My gut feeling is that if your wife actually enjoys sailing, then you
should
ignore catamarans.
Also, before you buy a big boat, take into consideration the fact
that your
kids will be gone in a few years. You will have to park it with only
your
wife as crew. I'd love to buy a Malo 42, but I don't think that my
diminutive spouse would be able to hold the lines while we tied up.

All good comments and I appreciate 'em. A cat is at the far end of
possible consideration for us and, if we went that way or went for some
generic used charter boat, it would just be for the couple of years
while we're cruising with the girls. Then we'd unload it to buy our
"real/retirement boat", a Freedom 38, which is the world's easiest
single-hander.

We both do enjoy actually sailing, so no crab crushers would make even
our most inclusive list of possibilities. I did a lotta deliveries in
the 70's and 80's of boats up to 50 feet, sometimes single-handed; so
having my wife along always feels like I'm loafing. With the kids added
to the mix, it almost feels like a competitive race crew! Well, almost.


For most labor-intensive activities, my wife's on the helm and I'm
doing the heavy lifting. Does your wife not like to be at the wheel?

She hates it!


I
always find it slightly painful to sit in an anchorage and watch a 6'2"
240-pound ex-linebacker with a delicate grip on the helm yelling at his
5'2" 100-pound wife on the foredeck wrestling with a CQR almost as big
as she is.

I'm pleased to report that I've never had to shout at my wife while we've
been sailing.

Sailing is *my* hobby. I'm very lucky that my wife comes sailing with me.
I intend to keep it that way.



Regards



Donal
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