"Gilligan" wrote in message
k.net...

"Scout" wrote in message
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"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!

So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?

Spark Notes (similar to Cliff's):

Summary - Act II, scene viii
Le Bret argues that Cyrano is ruining his chances of becoming a successful
man or a famous poet. Cyrano says he will live according to his ideals and
that he has no interest in making friends with unworthy men. Suddenly,
Christian enters.


Your interpretation is a bit different. Where does the difference come
from?

Just an observation. Have you noticed how people automatically condemn
things that challenge them rather than risking failure by accepting the
challenge? Students do this routinely, claiming things they haven't mastered
(read as: fear they cannot master), are stupid or unworthy. Cyrano and
Captain Neal both exhibit this behavior. In the case of the latter, CN
condemns me as unworthy because I have challenged his political point of
view. He doesn't appreciate my opinion regarding our president's education
reform initiatives, so he attacks everything from my writing style to my
manhood. Whether either is lacking is irrelevant to the point of discussion.
That, and only that, is my point in challenging CN.
I've shared some of what I've experienced in America's public schools. Let
CN bring what he knows to the table. That is where this branch of the
discussion broke away.
Kurt Vonnegut said once that he wished to tell a story without using any
profanity. He said he had an important message to give, and he knew that
many people would not want to hear the message. He said he also knew that if
he used vulgarity of any sort, he would be giving those people the
justification they needed to turn away from what was important. I haven't
used any profanity either ~ so those who don't want to hear my testimony
will have to find or fabricate some other reason to turn a deaf ear. I
suppose a poorly focused paragraph works for CN.
Scout

me too.
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
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No way.....and I know that for sure...

"Gilligan" wrote in message
k.net...

"Scout" wrote in message
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"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!

So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?

Spark Notes (similar to Cliff's):

Summary - Act II, scene viii
Le Bret argues that Cyrano is ruining his chances of becoming a
successful
man or a famous poet. Cyrano says he will live according to his ideals
and
that he has no interest in making friends with unworthy men. Suddenly,
Christian enters.


Your interpretation is a bit different. Where does the difference come
from?



He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!
You can do better than that.

How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering
bully.
He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him as a
tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.

But the goos Capt is not a failure. Maybe an antihero as used in 20th
century literature.


He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram
is a paper thin mask of civility.

Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or
do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?

Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here
who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to
expose
his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

So who do you suspect is that person? Perhaps the Navigator?



Scout

Bwahahahaaa... you've just noticed this? Neal does this with anyone who
disagrees with him on anything.

Get with it Scout.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scout" wrote in message
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"Gilligan" wrote in message
k.net...

"Scout" wrote in message
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"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!

So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?

Spark Notes (similar to Cliff's):

Summary - Act II, scene viii
Le Bret argues that Cyrano is ruining his chances of becoming a
successful
man or a famous poet. Cyrano says he will live according to his ideals
and
that he has no interest in making friends with unworthy men. Suddenly,
Christian enters.


Your interpretation is a bit different. Where does the difference come
from?

Just an observation. Have you noticed how people automatically condemn
things that challenge them rather than risking failure by accepting the
challenge? Students do this routinely, claiming things they haven't
mastered (read as: fear they cannot master), are stupid or unworthy.
Cyrano and Captain Neal both exhibit this behavior. In the case of the
latter, CN condemns me as unworthy because I have challenged his political
point of view. He doesn't appreciate my opinion regarding our president's
education reform initiatives, so he attacks everything from my writing
style to my manhood. Whether either is lacking is irrelevant to the point
of discussion. That, and only that, is my point in challenging CN.
I've shared some of what I've experienced in America's public schools. Let
CN bring what he knows to the table. That is where this branch of the
discussion broke away.
Kurt Vonnegut said once that he wished to tell a story without using any
profanity. He said he had an important message to give, and he knew that
many people would not want to hear the message. He said he also knew that
if he used vulgarity of any sort, he would be giving those people the
justification they needed to turn away from what was important. I haven't
used any profanity either ~ so those who don't want to hear my testimony
will have to find or fabricate some other reason to turn a deaf ear. I
suppose a poorly focused paragraph works for CN.
Scout

Not as often as I'd like.
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
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Turned any screws lately?

"Scout" wrote in message
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Which reminds me: Arthur Miller passed away last week and deserves a
mention.
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
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Oh goody....can I do the torture part????

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
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Scout wrote:
you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
--
Salem Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera

Don't fret Katy, all who are innocent will sink like rocks, and their good
names will be forever cleansed!
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
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Taddy...he's getting out the thumb screws...RUN!!!!!!

"Scout" wrote in message
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"Flying Tadpole" wrote
Scout wrote:
you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
Salem Tadpole

I THINK YOU KNOW!
Scout

Too bad they'll be on the bottom of the harbour...

Scout wrote:
Don't fret Katy, all who are innocent will sink like rocks, and their good
names will be forever cleansed!
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
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Taddy...he's getting out the thumb screws...RUN!!!!!!

"Scout" wrote in message
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"Flying Tadpole" wrote

Scout wrote:

you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
Salem Tadpole

I THINK YOU KNOW!
Scout






--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm

Scout = Captain Neal??

"katysails" wrote in message
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Scout,
You are the only poster here who is known to be civil or who has earned
respect by most posters on the ng. See where this is going?


"Scout" wrote in message
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"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!

So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?

He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!
You can do better than that.

How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering bully.
He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him as a
tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram
is a paper thin mask of civility.

Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or
do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?

Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to
expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout

Taddy,
I'm sure Katy doesn't want to burn, but you know how difficult it is for the
Irish to tan.
Scout

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
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You _want_to be burnt????

katysails wrote:
Oh goody....can I do the torture part????

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
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Scout wrote:

you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure, and
worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot wind.
He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
--
Salem Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera




--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm

Yes, a shame, that is.
Scout

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
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Too bad they'll be on the bottom of the harbour...

Scout wrote:
Don't fret Katy, all who are innocent will sink like rocks, and their
good names will be forever cleansed!
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
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Taddy...he's getting out the thumb screws...RUN!!!!!!

"Scout" wrote in message
...

"Flying Tadpole" wrote

Scout wrote:

you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
Salem Tadpole

I THINK YOU KNOW!
Scout






--
Flying Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera
http://www.soundclick.com/flyingtadpolemusic.htm

"Gilligan" wrote
[snip]
But the goos Capt is not a failure. Maybe an antihero as used in 20th
century literature.

agreed.
Scout