Which reminds me: Arthur Miller passed away last week and deserves a
mention.
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Oh goody....can I do the torture part????

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...


Scout wrote:
you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure, and
worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot wind.
He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
--
Salem Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera

I'm afraid there's a tad too much Viking in me to pull it off convincingly!
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...
There's someone here who's civil (besides you, that is)?

"Scout" wrote in message
...
you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure, and
worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot wind. He
is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout


"Gilligan" wrote in message
nk.net...
The good Capt is quite nicely embodied in the spirit of Don Quixote
especially as we near the 400th anniversary of such fine literature.

Despite the worn out horse and the tattered clothes he carried himself
with
the air of nobility and the duty to serve the down trodden and fight
evil.

Yes, we can find the good Capt in all that Don Quixote, Cyrano and
Thoreau
represent! All principled men who pursued ideals and judged themselves
by
their own standards.

You are all jealous of that spirit which is his and could have been
yours.

Ay, and then?. . .
Seek a protector, choose a patron out,
And like the crawling ivy round a tree
That licks the bark to gain the trunk's support,
Climb high by creeping ruse instead of force?
No, grammercy! What! I, like all the rest
Dedicate verse to bankers?--play buffoon
In cringing hope to see, at last, a smile
Not disapproving, on a patron's lips?
Grammercy, no! What! learn to swallow toads?
--With frame aweary climbing stairs?--a skin
Grown grimed and horny,--here, about the knees?
And, acrobat-like, teach my back to bend?--
No, grammercy! Or,--double-faced and sly--
Run with the hare, while hunting with the hounds;
And, oily-tongued, to win the oil of praise,
Flatter the great man to his very nose?
No, grammercy! Steal soft from lap to lap,
--A little great man in a circle small,
Or navigate, with madrigals for sails,
Blown gently windward by old ladies' sighs?
No, grammercy! Bribe kindly editors
To spread abroad my verses? Grammercy!
Or try to be elected as the pope
Of tavern-councils held by imbeciles?
No, grammercy! Toil to gain reputation
By one small sonnet, 'stead of making many?
No, grammercy! Or flatter sorry bunglers?
Be terrorized by every prating paper?
Say ceaselessly, 'Oh, had I but the chance
Of a fair notice in the "Mercury"!'
Grammercy, no! Grow pale, fear, calculate?
Prefer to make a visit to a rhyme?
Seek introductions, draw petitions up?
No, grammercy! and no! and no again! But--sing?
Dream, laugh, go lightly, solitary, free,
With eyes that look straight forward--fearless voice!
To cock your beaver just the way you choose,--
For 'yes' or 'no' show fight, or turn a rhyme!
--To work without one thought of gain or fame,
To realize that journey to the moon!
Never to pen a line that has not sprung
Straight from the heart within. Embracing then
Modesty, say to oneself, 'Good my friend,
Be thou content with flowers,--fruit,--nay, leaves,
But pluck them from no garden but thine own!'
And then, if glory come by chance your way,
To pay no tribute unto Caesar, none,
But keep the merit all your own! In short,
Disdaining tendrils of the parasite,
To be content, if neither oak nor elm--
Not to mount high, perchance, but mount alone!

Gilligan



"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
Scout,
you beat me too it by a few milli-seconds.

the comparision to cervante is perhaps very close to neal's
presentation
of
the world.
complete with a worn out horse (a coronado 27), his very own Panza
(gilligan), and apparently his own Dulcinea de Tobosa (by his
account......in fact many)...... .....and then of course the tilting at
windmills (not even world class sailors can compare to his
(mis)adventures
aboard his fine yacht).

as i see it there are really only 2 possiblities for neal.
as you imply, he may simply be incredibily stupid .
yet something tells me otherwise:
more than likely this kind of complete stupidty and (dis)illusioned
behavior
cannot occur without real effort and genius.

...........although there are some here that genuinely come close.
very close.

gf.







"Scout" wrote in message
...
I think he is more like a Don Quixote gone wrong.
Scout

Scout,
You are the only poster here who is known to be civil or who has earned
respect by most posters on the ng. See where this is going?


"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!

So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?

He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!
You can do better than that.

How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering bully.
He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him as a
tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram
is a paper thin mask of civility.

Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?

Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to
expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout

Taddy...he's getting out the thumb screws...RUN!!!!!!

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Flying Tadpole" wrote
Scout wrote:
you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure, and
worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot wind.
He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
Salem Tadpole

I THINK YOU KNOW!
Scout

Turned any screws lately?

"Scout" wrote in message
...
Which reminds me: Arthur Miller passed away last week and deserves a
mention.
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Oh goody....can I do the torture part????

"Flying Tadpole" wrote in message
...


Scout wrote:
you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure,
and worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot
wind. He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout

Name them!! Name them!!
--
Salem Tadpole

-------------------------
http://www.ace.net.au/schooner
http://music.download.com/internetopera

OK...here's the deal...you tell me who you think it is and I'll tell you if
you're right or not.

"Scout" wrote in message
...
I'm afraid there's a tad too much Viking in me to pull it off
convincingly!
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...
There's someone here who's civil (besides you, that is)?

"Scout" wrote in message
...
you left out the part about "Don Quixote, gone wrong"

This particular personality is mean spirited, selfish, misogynistic,
racist, ostensibly mis-informed, over-reactive, defensive, insecure, and
worst of all, cowardly. He is nothing more than a blustering hot wind.
He is not Don Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram is a paper thin mask of civility.
Scout


"Gilligan" wrote in message
nk.net...
The good Capt is quite nicely embodied in the spirit of Don Quixote
especially as we near the 400th anniversary of such fine literature.

Despite the worn out horse and the tattered clothes he carried himself
with
the air of nobility and the duty to serve the down trodden and fight
evil.

Yes, we can find the good Capt in all that Don Quixote, Cyrano and
Thoreau
represent! All principled men who pursued ideals and judged themselves
by
their own standards.

You are all jealous of that spirit which is his and could have been
yours.

Ay, and then?. . .
Seek a protector, choose a patron out,
And like the crawling ivy round a tree
That licks the bark to gain the trunk's support,
Climb high by creeping ruse instead of force?
No, grammercy! What! I, like all the rest
Dedicate verse to bankers?--play buffoon
In cringing hope to see, at last, a smile
Not disapproving, on a patron's lips?
Grammercy, no! What! learn to swallow toads?
--With frame aweary climbing stairs?--a skin
Grown grimed and horny,--here, about the knees?
And, acrobat-like, teach my back to bend?--
No, grammercy! Or,--double-faced and sly--
Run with the hare, while hunting with the hounds;
And, oily-tongued, to win the oil of praise,
Flatter the great man to his very nose?
No, grammercy! Steal soft from lap to lap,
--A little great man in a circle small,
Or navigate, with madrigals for sails,
Blown gently windward by old ladies' sighs?
No, grammercy! Bribe kindly editors
To spread abroad my verses? Grammercy!
Or try to be elected as the pope
Of tavern-councils held by imbeciles?
No, grammercy! Toil to gain reputation
By one small sonnet, 'stead of making many?
No, grammercy! Or flatter sorry bunglers?
Be terrorized by every prating paper?
Say ceaselessly, 'Oh, had I but the chance
Of a fair notice in the "Mercury"!'
Grammercy, no! Grow pale, fear, calculate?
Prefer to make a visit to a rhyme?
Seek introductions, draw petitions up?
No, grammercy! and no! and no again! But--sing?
Dream, laugh, go lightly, solitary, free,
With eyes that look straight forward--fearless voice!
To cock your beaver just the way you choose,--
For 'yes' or 'no' show fight, or turn a rhyme!
--To work without one thought of gain or fame,
To realize that journey to the moon!
Never to pen a line that has not sprung
Straight from the heart within. Embracing then
Modesty, say to oneself, 'Good my friend,
Be thou content with flowers,--fruit,--nay, leaves,
But pluck them from no garden but thine own!'
And then, if glory come by chance your way,
To pay no tribute unto Caesar, none,
But keep the merit all your own! In short,
Disdaining tendrils of the parasite,
To be content, if neither oak nor elm--
Not to mount high, perchance, but mount alone!

Gilligan



"gonefishiing" wrote in message
...
Scout,
you beat me too it by a few milli-seconds.

the comparision to cervante is perhaps very close to neal's
presentation
of
the world.
complete with a worn out horse (a coronado 27), his very own Panza
(gilligan), and apparently his own Dulcinea de Tobosa (by his
account......in fact many)...... .....and then of course the tilting
at
windmills (not even world class sailors can compare to his
(mis)adventures
aboard his fine yacht).

as i see it there are really only 2 possiblities for neal.
as you imply, he may simply be incredibily stupid .
yet something tells me otherwise:
more than likely this kind of complete stupidty and (dis)illusioned
behavior
cannot occur without real effort and genius.

...........although there are some here that genuinely come close.
very close.

gf.







"Scout" wrote in message
...
I think he is more like a Don Quixote gone wrong.
Scout

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..

But aren't you mixing your metaphorical characters a bit too freely? I
mean, Cyrano ne'er tilted any windbagmills no matter slow or fine they
grind.

DE GUICHE (who has controlled himself--smiling):
Have you read 'Don Quixote'?

CYRANO:
I have!
And doff my hat at th' mad knight-errant's name.

DE GUICHE:
I counsel you to study. . .

A PORTER (appearing at back):
My lord's chair!

DE GUICHE:
. . .The windmill chapter!

CYRANO (bowing):
Chapter the Thirteenth.

DE GUICHE:
For when one tilts 'gainst windmills--it may chance. . .

CYRANO:
Tilt I 'gainst those who change with every breeze?

DE GUICHE:
. . .That windmill sails may sweep you with their arm
Down--in the mire!. . .

CYRANO:
Or upward--to the stars!

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!

So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?

Spark Notes (similar to Cliff's):

Summary - Act II, scene viii
Le Bret argues that Cyrano is ruining his chances of becoming a successful
man or a famous poet. Cyrano says he will live according to his ideals and
that he has no interest in making friends with unworthy men. Suddenly,
Christian enters.


Your interpretation is a bit different. Where does the difference come from?



He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!
You can do better than that.

How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering bully.
He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him as a
tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.

But the goos Capt is not a failure. Maybe an antihero as used in 20th
century literature.


He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram
is a paper thin mask of civility.

Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or
do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?

Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here
who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to expose
his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

So who do you suspect is that person? Perhaps the Navigator?



Scout

No way.....and I know that for sure...

"Gilligan" wrote in message
k.net...

"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!

So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?

Spark Notes (similar to Cliff's):

Summary - Act II, scene viii
Le Bret argues that Cyrano is ruining his chances of becoming a successful
man or a famous poet. Cyrano says he will live according to his ideals and
that he has no interest in making friends with unworthy men. Suddenly,
Christian enters.


Your interpretation is a bit different. Where does the difference come
from?



He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!
You can do better than that.

How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering bully.
He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him as a
tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.

But the goos Capt is not a failure. Maybe an antihero as used in 20th
century literature.


He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram
is a paper thin mask of civility.

Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or
do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?

Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here
who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to expose
his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

So who do you suspect is that person? Perhaps the Navigator?



Scout

Scout, don't dispare... give it some time.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Scout,
You are the only poster here who is known to be civil or who has earned
respect by most posters on the ng. See where this is going?


"Scout" wrote in message
...
"Gilligan" wrote
Well, what if it be my vice,
My pleasure to displease--to love men hate me!

So sad ~ these words!
Preemptive scorn is scorn of self and fear of self-worthlessness!
Why does Captain Neal doubt himself so?

He is not Don
Quixote afterall, he is the Cowardly Lion!
You can do better than that.

How so? The Cowardly Lion is one of the most complex characters in
literature!
William Jennings Bryan was a right-winged, opinionated, blustering bully.
He was smart and talented, but at best, history will remember him as a
tragic hero; the primary cause of his own failure.

He is an invention, a cathartic adventure for some other here whose
monogram
is a paper thin mask of civility.

Explain your use of "monogram". You forgot to read the introduction or
do
you really believe that civility walks hand in hand with "not mincing
words
to spare the thin skinned or ignorant"?

Simply this: CN is very likely a darker personna of some regular poster
here who, having earned the respect of the group, does not feel free to
expose his troglodytic tenets under that same name.
Does *Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde* ring a bell?

Scout