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Boat built in desert a dream come true
''his steel-hulled motor sailboat.''
Why are you posting this on a sailing NG? SV "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message . com... http://www.vvdailypress.com/2005/110804491475014.html Ed Stringer's dream now weighs some 25,000 pounds, spans more than 48 feet in length, and was handmade from stem to stern. It took him more than six years to complete. "It was a love-hate project because there was so much to be done," Stringer said of his steel-hulled motor sailboat. "A lot of people start these projects, but very few of us actually finish it." The Stringers plan to move from their arid 80-acre ranch in Lucerne Valley to the more humid climate of the sea's surface. The ship was moved to its new home at a marina in Long Beach last Tuesday. Stringer and his wife, Sandra, hope to raise anchor on the "Adory" and set sail for several of the islands off California by summer. After that their travel itinerary includes diving off the shores of the Caribbean, sipping coffee on their deck as they look out at the Alaskan coastline, sailing across the Atlantic and dropping anchor in Hawaii — sometimes with friends and family. Ed Stringer developed a love of boating when he worked as a commercial abalone diver in the early 1960s. Over the years his ocean fever gained momentum and his yearning to retire on a boat and travel the seas engulfed him. "I've been living in the High Desert for 20 years now, always hoping to get back on a boat," Stringer said. "This is perfect." But it wasn't cheap. Stringer said he stopped keeping count of the cost of building the ship a long time ago out of "fear of shock," but estimates it at more than $100,000. "As I became more and more aware I couldn't afford what I really wanted, I contemplated building one," Stringer said. He began designing and building it in 1999, with Sandra adding the feminine touches. "It has always been a dream of his," Sandra Stringer said. "So we got together to design the inside. There were only a few things I asked for." Her requests included a useful galley, bright lighting and a comfortable atmosphere where her children and grandchildren could always feel at home. "We wanted a boat to suit our purpose to a 'T' and here we are," Ed Stringer said. The two are now planning out the rest of their lives in conjunction with one ocean adventure after another. "Sailing into a port is much different than flying into one," Ed Stringer said. "We're not ever really going to be tourists because our house is will be on our back all the time." Gretchen Losi may be reached at 951-6233 or . -- jlrogers±³© Beaten by George W. Bush! Now that's funny! |
Scott Vernon wrote: ''his steel-hulled motor sailboat.'' Why are you posting this on a sailing NG? SV Hey...Watch it Snotty. The guys a sailing genious who knows what type of sailboat is superior to all others. Joe "jlrogers=B1=B3=A9" wrote in message . com... http://www.vvdailypress.com/2005/110804491475014.html Ed Stringer's dream now weighs some 25,000 pounds, spans more than 48 feet in length, and was handmade from stem to stern. It took him more than six years to complete. "It was a love-hate project because there was so much to be done," Stringer said of his steel-hulled motor sailboat. "A lot of people start these projects, but very few of us actually finish it." The Stringers plan to move from their arid 80-acre ranch in Lucerne Valley to the more humid climate of the sea's surface. The ship was moved to its new home at a marina in Long Beach last Tuesday. Stringer and his wife, Sandra, hope to raise anchor on the "Adory" and set sail for several of the islands off California by summer. After that their travel itinerary includes diving off the shores of the Caribbean, sipping coffee on their deck as they look out at the Alaskan coastline, sailing across the Atlantic and dropping anchor in Hawaii - sometimes with friends and family. Ed Stringer developed a love of boating when he worked as a commercial abalone diver in the early 1960s. Over the years his ocean fever gained momentum and his yearning to retire on a boat and travel the seas engulfed him. "I've been living in the High Desert for 20 years now, always hoping to get back on a boat," Stringer said. "This is perfect." But it wasn't cheap. Stringer said he stopped keeping count of the cost of building the ship a long time ago out of "fear of shock," but estimates it at more than $100,000. "As I became more and more aware I couldn't afford what I really wanted, I contemplated building one," Stringer said. He began designing and building it in 1999, with Sandra adding the feminine touches. "It has always been a dream of his," Sandra Stringer said. "So we got together to design the inside. There were only a few things I asked for." Her requests included a useful galley, bright lighting and a comfortable atmosphere where her children and grandchildren could always feel at home. "We wanted a boat to suit our purpose to a 'T' and here we are," Ed Stringer said. The two are now planning out the rest of their lives in conjunction with one ocean adventure after another. "Sailing into a port is much different than flying into one," Ed Stringer said. "We're not ever really going to be tourists because our house is will be on our back all the time." Gretchen Losi may be reached at 951-6233 or . -- jlrogers=B1=B3=A9 Beaten by George W. Bush! Now that's funny! |
Just a little Sunday morning fishin, Joe. Splash!
SV "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Scott Vernon wrote: ''his steel-hulled motor sailboat.'' Why are you posting this on a sailing NG? SV Hey...Watch it Snotty. The guys a sailing genious who knows what type of sailboat is superior to all others. Joe "jlrogers±³©" wrote in message . com... http://www.vvdailypress.com/2005/110804491475014.html Ed Stringer's dream now weighs some 25,000 pounds, spans more than 48 feet in length, and was handmade from stem to stern. It took him more than six years to complete. "It was a love-hate project because there was so much to be done," Stringer said of his steel-hulled motor sailboat. "A lot of people start these projects, but very few of us actually finish it." The Stringers plan to move from their arid 80-acre ranch in Lucerne Valley to the more humid climate of the sea's surface. The ship was moved to its new home at a marina in Long Beach last Tuesday. Stringer and his wife, Sandra, hope to raise anchor on the "Adory" and set sail for several of the islands off California by summer. After that their travel itinerary includes diving off the shores of the Caribbean, sipping coffee on their deck as they look out at the Alaskan coastline, sailing across the Atlantic and dropping anchor in Hawaii - sometimes with friends and family. Ed Stringer developed a love of boating when he worked as a commercial abalone diver in the early 1960s. Over the years his ocean fever gained momentum and his yearning to retire on a boat and travel the seas engulfed him. "I've been living in the High Desert for 20 years now, always hoping to get back on a boat," Stringer said. "This is perfect." But it wasn't cheap. Stringer said he stopped keeping count of the cost of building the ship a long time ago out of "fear of shock," but estimates it at more than $100,000. "As I became more and more aware I couldn't afford what I really wanted, I contemplated building one," Stringer said. He began designing and building it in 1999, with Sandra adding the feminine touches. "It has always been a dream of his," Sandra Stringer said. "So we got together to design the inside. There were only a few things I asked for." Her requests included a useful galley, bright lighting and a comfortable atmosphere where her children and grandchildren could always feel at home. "We wanted a boat to suit our purpose to a 'T' and here we are," Ed Stringer said. The two are now planning out the rest of their lives in conjunction with one ocean adventure after another. "Sailing into a port is much different than flying into one," Ed Stringer said. "We're not ever really going to be tourists because our house is will be on our back all the time." Gretchen Losi may be reached at 951-6233 or . -- jlrogers±³© Beaten by George W. Bush! Now that's funny! |
His story reminds me of a movie I watched yestersday called Wind. If
you havent seen it I recommend it. Guy loses the American Cup & girl, goes out into the desert and with the help of many he builds a boat at the Deadman's Flat yacht club and wins back the cup from the Ozzies and his girl. Great sailing scenes, International 14 - 12 meter boats. Joe |
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His story reminds me of a movie I watched yestersday called Wind. If you havent seen it I recommend it. That was a pretty good movie, worth seeing on the big screen. It makes a silly soap opera out of racing, but I suppose most people won't know any better. Guy loses the American Cup & girl, goes out into the desert and with the help of many he builds a boat at the Deadman's Flat yacht club and wins back the cup from the Ozzies and his girl. Great sailing scenes, International 14 - 12 meter boats. Did you notice that not one of those boats was built out of steel, Joe? In fact, no America's Cup racer has ever been built out of steel. You should watch out for becoming a Crapton wanna-be, making retard-o claims about the superiority of your boat just 'cuz it's yours. DSK |
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Joe wrote: His story reminds me of a movie I watched yestersday called Wind. If you havent seen it I recommend it. That was a pretty good movie, worth seeing on the big screen. It makes a silly soap opera out of racing, but I suppose most people won't know any better. The first time I saw it was an afternoon show; the other group in the theater was a sailing team, I think from Tufts. It was fun to hear their reactions and comments, although half of them probably had never been on a boat over 30 feet. One line in the movie that always got me was in the intro to the final race, where the announcer said something to the affect of "they agreed to throw out the rule book for this race." |
The girl makes the winning decision on the boat...watch it more carefully...
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... His story reminds me of a movie I watched yestersday called Wind. If you havent seen it I recommend it. Guy loses the American Cup & girl, goes out into the desert and with the help of many he builds a boat at the Deadman's Flat yacht club and wins back the cup from the Ozzies and his girl. Great sailing scenes, International 14 - 12 meter boats. Joe |
katysails wrote: The girl makes the winning decision on the boat...watch it more carefully... What by chosing the "Whomper" yeah yeah I know had me all teared up. Shoudent you give up asa for lint? Joe "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... His story reminds me of a movie I watched yestersday called Wind. If you havent seen it I recommend it. Guy loses the American Cup & girl, goes out into the desert and with the help of many he builds a boat at the Deadman's Flat yacht club and wins back the cup from the Ozzies and his girl. Great sailing scenes, International 14 - 12 meter boats. Joe |
Doug your jelious side is showing.
Joe |
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Doug your jelious side is showing. Believe me, I'm not "jelious" at all. I spent 8 years riding around on big steel boats... which is one reason why I think steel boats are for dummies that either 1- can't keep from crashing into things or 2- intend to get in the face of people who shoot at you DSK |
You are jelious...Bwahahahah
Oh the power of steel. Joe |
wasent Endeavour, the lovely J-class yacht that had been built in 1934
as an America's Cup contender made of steel? Joe |
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wasent Endeavour, the lovely J-class yacht that had been built in 1934 as an America's Cup contender made of steel? Joe Yes, is. And I think Endeavor II was steel, also. Perhaps DSK should have said "no steel yacht won the America's Cup." |
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Shoudent you give up asa for lint? What, she should become all warm and fuzzy? -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... wasent Endeavour, the lovely J-class yacht that had been built in 1934 as an America's Cup contender made of steel? Correct! I found this link while I was trying to prove that you were wrong. I must admit that I had thought that she was built of wood. http://www.cupinfo.com/en/jdetails1.php Regards Donal -- |
Donal wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... wasent Endeavour, the lovely J-class yacht that had been built in 1934 as an America's Cup contender made of steel? Correct! I found this link while I was trying to prove that you were wrong. I must admit that I had thought that she was built of wood. She's a sweet boat and still sailing the Atlantic. Steel is a great material in the right hands. Thanks for the link Donal I did also notice in your link that Endeavor II was also steel and had the tallest mast ever on any Americas cup boat. Joe http://www.cupinfo.com/en/jdetails1.php Regards Donal -- |
Nope....you're supposed to give up something meaningful for Lent...you could
hardly call asa meaningful... "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... katysails wrote: The girl makes the winning decision on the boat...watch it more carefully... What by chosing the "Whomper" yeah yeah I know had me all teared up. Shoudent you give up asa for lint? Joe "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... His story reminds me of a movie I watched yestersday called Wind. If you havent seen it I recommend it. Guy loses the American Cup & girl, goes out into the desert and with the help of many he builds a boat at the Deadman's Flat yacht club and wins back the cup from the Ozzies and his girl. Great sailing scenes, International 14 - 12 meter boats. Joe |
Doug,
Sometimes don't you get the feeling that maybe Joe isn't Joe but really Terry? "DSK" wrote in message ... Joe wrote: Doug your jelious side is showing. Believe me, I'm not "jelious" at all. I spent 8 years riding around on big steel boats... which is one reason why I think steel boats are for dummies that either 1- can't keep from crashing into things or 2- intend to get in the face of people who shoot at you DSK |
Don't worry, Wally...that will never happen...all that cold Celtic blood
that runs through my veins is only temporarily rendered warm by a bowl of oatmeal... "Wally" wrote in message . uk... Joe wrote: Shoudent you give up asa for lint? What, she should become all warm and fuzzy? -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
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Joe wrote:
wasent Endeavour, the lovely J-class yacht that had been built in 1934 as an America's Cup contender made of steel? You're right, Joe. I was wrong. Jeff Morris wrote: Yes, is. And I think Endeavor II was steel, also. You should say "Endeavor II *is* steel" although none her hull is original. ... Perhaps DSK should have said "no steel yacht won the America's Cup." Having thought about it for a minute or so, IIRC Ranger was also built of steel. Herreshoff had been building boats with steel frames and lighter material for decades before, but I think the then-new technique of welding hull plating allowed lighter all-steel construction. That still doesn't make Joe's boat any faster, nor help with his rust problem. I should have said "no steel boat has won the America's Cup since before WW2, and none have ever won any other races." How about a nice cup of carbon fiber, Joe! DSK |
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Joe wrote: wasent Endeavour, the lovely J-class yacht that had been built in 1934 as an America's Cup contender made of steel? You're right, Joe. I was wrong. Jeff Morris wrote: Yes, is. And I think Endeavor II was steel, also. You should say "Endeavor II *is* steel" although none her hull is original. I thought the Endeavor II was scrapped shortly after its defeat in '37. It was the first Endeavor that was rebuilt at great cost. ... Perhaps DSK should have said "no steel yacht won the America's Cup." Having thought about it for a minute or so, IIRC Ranger was also built of steel. Herreshoff had been building boats with steel frames and lighter material for decades before, but I think the then-new technique of welding hull plating allowed lighter all-steel construction. About 38 years ago a group of us young fools checked out a Starling Burgess designed, Herreshoff built (1926?) M-class yacht, Prestige, that was for sale for under $2000. It was in sad shape - stripped out completely. The lead keel was long gone (melted for bullets in WWII) and replaced with concrete. The mast, once the worlds tallest aluminum mast, was replaced with two telephone poles. We hauled it for a survey, but the report was that too many of the steel frames were rusted out, and it would have cost a fortune to make her seaworthy. Fortunately, we had the sense to pass on the deal! Some years later, I met a couple who had bought her and were living aboard. They had dreams of long distance cruising but were realizing the impossibility of resurrecting the old beauty. About 5 years after that (1979?) I found the yacht aground on Spectacle Island in Boston Harbor. It laid there, abandoned, for a season. The M-Class is a variation on the J-class, though somewhat smaller. It was used as a "club racer" in the late 20's through the 50's. Parameter M-Class 12-Metre LOA 83'0" 67'0" DWL 54'7" 45'0" Beam 14'0" 12'0" Draft 10'6" 8'11" Displ. 96,000 lbs. 55,000 lbs. Sail (rated) 3100 sq. ft. 1900 sq. ft. Rig Height 104' 82' Sail : Displ 4.88 4.59 Displ : length 264 269 There's a description of the M-class here. There's a picture of the Prestige is about a third of the way down. http://www.universalrule.com/page1/body.html |
You should say "Endeavor II *is* steel" although none her hull is original. Jeff Morris wrote: I thought the Endeavor II was scrapped shortly after its defeat in '37. It was the first Endeavor that was rebuilt at great cost. You're right, I was wrong again... must be something in the coffee. I thought it was Endeavor 2 that was rescued, but it was Endeavor 1. Having thought about it for a minute or so, IIRC Ranger was also built of steel. Herreshoff had been building boats with steel frames and lighter material for decades before, but I think the then-new technique of welding hull plating allowed lighter all-steel construction. Except that Donal's link tells us Ranger was flush-riveted. About 38 years ago a group of us young fools checked out a Starling Burgess designed, Herreshoff built (1926?) M-class yacht, Prestige, that was for sale for under $2000. It was in sad shape - stripped out completely. The lead keel was long gone (melted for bullets in WWII) and replaced with concrete. The mast, once the worlds tallest aluminum mast, was replaced with two telephone poles. We hauled it for a survey, but the report was that too many of the steel frames were rusted out, and it would have cost a fortune to make her seaworthy. Fortunately, we had the sense to pass on the deal! You could have gone ahead and laminated in sister frames, or gone to night school and learned to weld. It would have been horribly expensive anyway, think what a suit of sails for this boat would have cost. Some years later, I met a couple who had bought her and were living aboard. They had dreams of long distance cruising but were realizing the impossibility of resurrecting the old beauty. About 5 years after that (1979?) I found the yacht aground on Spectacle Island in Boston Harbor. It laid there, abandoned, for a season. Did anybody ever restore it? A long time ago, a friend and I were given an old (1930s) 6-meter. We rebuilt it with a variety of less-expensive composites and put the rig off a T-10 on it. Cool boat, I saw it for sale on Yachtworld a few months ago. The M-Class is a variation on the J-class, though somewhat smaller. It was used as a "club racer" in the late 20's through the 50's. Yes, all the Universal Rule classes had letter designations.. the "O" and "P" class was smaller than M, the "I" class (don't know if any were ever built) were larger than the J-class. Like the 6, 8, and 12-Meters, they were mostly used for round-the-bouys racing but even the little ones tended to have at least rudimentary cabins and were cruised in by some. I spent a couple of week long cruises on my 6-Meter including some time singlehanding. There's a description of the M-class here. There's a picture of the Prestige is about a third of the way down. http://www.universalrule.com/page1/body.html I think this guy is glorifying the class and the rule. A modern M could in no way keep up with a sled and would be too much of a leadmine to be really "seaworthy." It'd be a really pretty boat though. Both the Universal Rule and the Int'l Rule (used for the meter classes) tend to produce very heavy boats. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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... but the report was that too many of the steel frames were rusted out, and it would have cost a fortune to make her seaworthy. Fortunately, we had the sense to pass on the deal! You could have gone ahead and laminated in sister frames, or gone to night school and learned to weld. We were willing to do a few, but there were sections where a lot of frames in a row were bad. And the surveyor felt that the frames should be removed for inspection ... it was just way too much. It would have been horribly expensive anyway, think what a suit of sails for this boat would have cost. Some years later, I met a couple who had bought her and were living aboard. They had dreams of long distance cruising but were realizing the impossibility of resurrecting the old beauty. About 5 years after that (1979?) I found the yacht aground on Spectacle Island in Boston Harbor. It laid there, abandoned, for a season. Did anybody ever restore it? No, scavengers pulled off the teak deck pretty quickly - before I could get back for a second visit, and the hull didn't survive the fall storms. Spectacle Island has a long and varied history - It was an early quarantine station, it had several gambling/bawdy houses around 1840, it had the horse rendering facility for many years, and was a garbage dump until 1959. When I used to visit in the 70's the ground was still burning. In the 90's it was used as the dump for the Big Dig project, and it has grown considerably n size and height. It is now park of the Boston Harbor Islands national Park. The site of the wreck is where they have built a marina that will be open this summer. A long time ago, a friend and I were given an old (1930s) 6-meter. We rebuilt it with a variety of less-expensive composites and put the rig off a T-10 on it. Cool boat, I saw it for sale on Yachtworld a few months ago. Sounds neat! You can still get a very similar boat: the slightly smaller International One Designs are still very active, and I think a few of the original boats are still racing. I've heard they are a 5.5 meter, but I don't think that's exactly true. They were certainly inspired by the 6 Meter class. The M-Class is a variation on the J-class, though somewhat smaller. It was used as a "club racer" in the late 20's through the 50's. Yes, all the Universal Rule classes had letter designations.. the "O" and "P" class was smaller than M, the "I" class (don't know if any were ever built) were larger than the J-class. Like the 6, 8, and 12-Meters, they were mostly used for round-the-bouys racing but even the little ones tended to have at least rudimentary cabins and were cruised in by some. I spent a couple of week long cruises on my 6-Meter including some time singlehanding. Over 90 S-Class boats were built by Herreshoff - they had a 60'th reunion in 79 where over 20 showed up to race. You still spot them on occasion in the traditional New England harbors. There's a description of the M-class here. There's a picture of the Prestige is about a third of the way down. http://www.universalrule.com/page1/body.html I think this guy is glorifying the class and the rule. A modern M could in no way keep up with a sled and would be too much of a leadmine to be really "seaworthy." I'd agree with the first part, though not the second. Remember, the Universal Rule was created, in part, so that racing boats would be more seaworthy - before that designs are only limited by SA and LWL trade offs, and they were getting rather radical. It'd be a really pretty boat though. Both the Universal Rule and the Int'l Rule (used for the meter classes) tend to produce very heavy boats. |
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It was the first Endeavor that was rebuilt at great cost. You're right, I was wrong again... must be something in the coffee. Ye Gods! Wrong twice in one thread, next you'll be telling me that Bush won the election. ;-) Maybe you've been skewered by Cupid? Cheers Marty |
Herreshoff must be one of thoses dummies bashing into things and going
where bullits fly. Rust is not a problem. It is easier and cheaper to fix than any fiberglass problem. Thats the facts. Your distain of steel is due to your mental images of past morrons abusing and using steel in ways that rub you wrong. Get over it, with todays epoxies and coatings... steel is the best all around material for building any vessel. But I must admit... Upkeep of a steel boat is almost as labor intensive as a plastic boat. Joe |
Did anybody ever restore it?
Jeff Morris wrote: No, scavengers pulled off the teak deck pretty quickly - before I could get back for a second visit, and the hull didn't survive the fall storms. That's a real shame. One of the nice things that has happened over the intervening years is that appreciation for the old classic yachts has grown and a lot of new money is being poured into restoring them. It's an expensive hobby though. Spectacle Island has a long and varied history - It was an early quarantine station, it had several gambling/bawdy houses around 1840, it had the horse rendering facility for many years, and was a garbage dump until 1959. When I used to visit in the 70's the ground was still burning. In the 90's it was used as the dump for the Big Dig project, and it has grown considerably n size and height. Haven't been up there recently but I used to sail around the islands a lot, we used to stop at Peddocks and hike up the hill. My nephew loved the WW2 bunkers up there. It is now park of the Boston Harbor Islands national Park. The site of the wreck is where they have built a marina that will be open this summer. Interesting... we'll definitely have to check it out next time we're up there (which probably won't be for a while, gone are the days of taking the trailerable for a 2 day trip to New England) Sounds neat! You can still get a very similar boat: the slightly smaller International One Designs are still very active, and I think a few of the original boats are still racing. I've heard they are a 5.5 meter, but I don't think that's exactly true. They were certainly inspired by the 6 Meter class. Yes and so were the Shields. There was a similar class under the Universal Rule called the'R' class but the ones that have survived tend to be more extreme IMHO. They are 40-footers with roughly the same size cockpit & all the luxurious accomodation of a Lightning. Over 90 S-Class boats were built by Herreshoff - they had a 60'th reunion in 79 where over 20 showed up to race. You still spot them on occasion in the traditional New England harbors. The S-boats are a legend. I've raced them and they are a lot of fun to sail, good in light air... they take a lot of babying though. 'Way back when, I made a friend for life in a boat basin in Marseille... as a broke young squid wandering the docks, I spotted an S-boat and stood there ogling her. The owner popped his head up and started interrogating me. I had just enough French to convince him that I sincerely admired his boat and asked if he had sailed it over himself... http://www.universalrule.com/page1/body.html I think this guy is glorifying the class and the rule. A modern M could in no way keep up with a sled and would be too much of a leadmine to be really "seaworthy." I'd agree with the first part, though not the second. Remember, the Universal Rule was created, in part, so that racing boats would be more seaworthy - before that designs are only limited by SA and LWL trade offs, and they were getting rather radical. It'd be "seaworthy" in the sense that it would have a very high LPOS, but it would be more like a submarine than a sailboat. The very heavy D/L ratio combined with low freeboard and the long overhanging ends would bring a LOT of water onto & over the decks. Of course an 80+ footer is going to shrug off conditions that would be threatening to a smaller boat of similar type. So I can see your point, but IMHO a boat like this isn't going to be more "seaworthy" than a modern type of the same LOA... rather less IMHO. Of course it would definitely be more seaworthy than some of the big Edwardian era racing sloops that preceded the original M-class... maybe that is what this guy meant? Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Herreshoff must be one of thoses dummies bashing into things and going where bullits fly. Actually, Herreshoff built a number of steel boats for the U.S. Navy. So in other words, yep. Rust is not a problem. It is easier and cheaper to fix than any fiberglass problem. Thats the facts. Except that fiberglass can be fixed for good, and does not degrade... a problem of disposal more than anything else. Steel will eventually deteriorate to powder. Your distain of steel is due to your mental images of past morrons abusing and using steel in ways that rub you wrong. No, my "distain" (overdue for a scrubbing?) of steel comes from it's basic engineering properties. It's nice for building bridges out of, or large commercial ships, but it is too heavy for smaller vessels. Please note that the America's Cup racers you'd like to point to as an example of fine steel construction were 1- all very much larger than your boat 2- all built before WW2 when modern materials were not available 3- mostly scrapped very soon after 4- the very few surviving have been entirely rebuilt. Shortly after recommissioning Endeavor, Elizabeth Meyers pointed to the transom of Ranger hanging in the main salon and said, "We could have named the rebuilt boat 'Ranger' since there's just as much of Ranger in her as Endeavor." ... with todays epoxies and coatings... steel is the best all around material for building any vessel. I don't believe that for a second. The coatings have to be perfectly applied in the perfect environment to be effective in the long run, and any slight nick or scratch will destroy them. You forget Joe, I work around a lot of steel structures and equipment... rust is a perpetual headache. But I must admit... Upkeep of a steel boat is almost as labor intensive as a plastic boat. Yeah, "almost" like a horseshoe or a hand grenade But hey, steel makes a great Faraday cage so you don't have to wear your tinfoil beanie 24/7 DSK |
"Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Donal wrote: "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... wasent Endeavour, the lovely J-class yacht that had been built in 1934 as an America's Cup contender made of steel? Correct! I found this link while I was trying to prove that you were wrong. I must admit that I had thought that she was built of wood. She's a sweet boat and still sailing the Atlantic. Steel is a great material in the right hands. Thanks for the link Donal I did also notice in your link that Endeavor II was also steel and had the tallest mast ever on any Americas cup boat. Here's a couple more links. I posted them a couple of years ago, so you might have seen them before. Velsheda:- http://www.lanode.com/priv/amcup/id29.htm Endeavour:- http://www.lanode.com/priv/amcup/id41.htm Endeavour, Shamrock, Velsheda and Cambria:- http://www.lanode.com/priv/amcup/id44.htm Regards Donal -- |
Since when has MD 20/20 been called 'cold Celtic blood"? "katysails" scribble thusly: Don't worry, Wally...that will never happen...all that cold Celtic blood that runs through my veins is only temporarily rendered warm by a bowl of oatmeal... |
I have no idea what MD20/20 is....
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Since when has MD 20/20 been called 'cold Celtic blood"? "katysails" scribble thusly: Don't worry, Wally...that will never happen...all that cold Celtic blood that runs through my veins is only temporarily rendered warm by a bowl of oatmeal... |
YEah wink, wink....I remember that story you told about yelling Ralph
in Jr High Social studies class after guzzeling a quart at Band practice. They had to open all the windows to get the cherry smell out of the room. Your a wild one katysails. Joe |
I didn't go to junior high and wasn't in band...I went to parochial school
and didn't drink anything with alcohol content until I was 19...maybe you're mistaking me for Ms Terry? "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... YEah wink, wink....I remember that story you told about yelling Ralph in Jr High Social studies class after guzzeling a quart at Band practice. They had to open all the windows to get the cherry smell out of the room. Your a wild one katysails. Joe |
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:18:41 GMT, "katysails"
wrote this crap: I have no idea what MD20/20 is.... That's because it's a man's drink. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
katysails wrote:
I didn't go to junior high and wasn't in band...I went to parochial school and didn't drink anything with alcohol content until I was 19 Highschool must have been really boring for you! ;-o Cheers Marty |
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Then how do you know?
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Horvath" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:18:41 GMT, "katysails" wrote this crap: I have no idea what MD20/20 is.... That's because it's a man's drink. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
I was in the AP....was too busy to be bored....
"Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... katysails wrote: I didn't go to junior high and wasn't in band...I went to parochial school and didn't drink anything with alcohol content until I was 19 Highschool must have been really boring for you! ;-o Cheers Marty |
ah...that explains why my cousin acted like she did...
(she was Canadian, BTW...) "Martin Baxter" wrote in message ... katysails wrote: I have no idea what MD20/20 is.... FYI: http://www.ubersite.com/m/55813 |
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:13:41 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap: Then how do you know? Cuz I've drank a lot of it, dumbass. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
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