Well here is _His_ explanation... of how your current President got
elected...

"JG" wrote in message
...
The American people, in general, did not vote for Bush. In fact, the
majority of people eligible to vote didn't vote for Bush. Only the
majority
of those who voted, voted for Bush.

As usual, you're just plain wrong. But, keep squirming.

So in effect Jon claims Bush was elected in a landslide by a minority??

Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!! How stupid is that??

CM

Well, he has a point. The problem is that his point is full of logical
falacies. The American people did elect Bush. In our system, every
person - aside from certain felons and people deemed mentally ineligible to
vote - have the right to vote. The first decision every voting age citizen
makes is whether to vote or not. If one opts not to vote, his vote is
actually cast with the majority. The non-vote is essebtially a persons
conscious decision to go with the majority. So, if you aply this logic
(which incidentally is the topic of one of the Federalist papers that is
assumed to have been authored by Jefferson), Bush won by an even wider
margin, sisnce you would add all registered voters who did not cast a ballot
in the Bush column. Remember, a ballot not cast is a ballot cast for the
winner of an election.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:jcaPd.44310$gA4.6564@edtnps89...
Well here is _His_ explanation... of how your current President got
elected...

"JG" wrote in message
...
The American people, in general, did not vote for Bush. In fact, the
majority of people eligible to vote didn't vote for Bush. Only the
majority
of those who voted, voted for Bush.

As usual, you're just plain wrong. But, keep squirming.

So in effect Jon claims Bush was elected in a landslide by a minority??

Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!! How stupid is that??

CM

I don't see how my argument is full of "logicial falacies," when that's
exactly what happened. The issue about whether or not a non-vote is a vote
with the majority is a seperate and rather esoteric point that has nothing
to do with Moron's argument that Bush was elected by most Americans. "Most
Americans" did NOT vote for Bush. That they did is just factually
inaccurate.

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"Sailing Dave" wrote in message
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Well, he has a point. The problem is that his point is full of logical
falacies. The American people did elect Bush. In our system, every
person - aside from certain felons and people deemed mentally ineligible
to vote - have the right to vote. The first decision every voting age
citizen makes is whether to vote or not. If one opts not to vote, his
vote is actually cast with the majority. The non-vote is essebtially a
persons conscious decision to go with the majority. So, if you aply this
logic (which incidentally is the topic of one of the Federalist papers
that is assumed to have been authored by Jefferson), Bush won by an even
wider margin, sisnce you would add all registered voters who did not cast
a ballot in the Bush column. Remember, a ballot not cast is a ballot cast
for the winner of an election.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:jcaPd.44310$gA4.6564@edtnps89...
Well here is _His_ explanation... of how your current President got
elected...

"JG" wrote in message
...
The American people, in general, did not vote for Bush. In fact, the
majority of people eligible to vote didn't vote for Bush. Only the
majority
of those who voted, voted for Bush.

As usual, you're just plain wrong. But, keep squirming.

So in effect Jon claims Bush was elected in a landslide by a minority??

Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!! How stupid is that??

CM

Sailing Dave wrote:
Well, he has a point. The problem is that the point I'm about to
make is full of logical falacies. The American people did elect
Bush. In our system, every person - aside from certain felons
and people deemed mentally ineligible to vote - have the right to
vote. The first decision every voting age citizen makes is whether
to vote or not. If one opts not to vote, his vote is actually cast
with the majority.

No it isn't, it is effectively divided up, proportionally, according to the
numbers of votes that are cast for the various candidates. In this way, it
has nil effect.

Would you, perchance, be considering pink for your to-be-recovered cushions?


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Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

OK, lets say, just for kicks, that Bush was not elected by most Americans.
Then, I submit, that no president has ever been elected by most Americans.
The problem is that your argument ignores the mechanics of our system..
Non-voters going with the majority is not esoteric, it is at the very heart
of the system. If you don't vote then you are saying that you trust the
majority and their decision. it is a vote fot the winner.
"JG" wrote in message
...
I don't see how my argument is full of "logicial falacies," when that's
exactly what happened. The issue about whether or not a non-vote is a vote
with the majority is a seperate and rather esoteric point that has nothing
to do with Moron's argument that Bush was elected by most Americans. "Most
Americans" did NOT vote for Bush. That they did is just factually
inaccurate.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Sailing Dave" wrote in message
...
Well, he has a point. The problem is that his point is full of logical
falacies. The American people did elect Bush. In our system, every
person - aside from certain felons and people deemed mentally ineligible
to vote - have the right to vote. The first decision every voting age
citizen makes is whether to vote or not. If one opts not to vote, his
vote is actually cast with the majority. The non-vote is essebtially a
persons conscious decision to go with the majority. So, if you aply this
logic (which incidentally is the topic of one of the Federalist papers
that is assumed to have been authored by Jefferson), Bush won by an even
wider margin, sisnce you would add all registered voters who did not cast
a ballot in the Bush column. Remember, a ballot not cast is a ballot
cast for the winner of an election.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:jcaPd.44310$gA4.6564@edtnps89...
Well here is _His_ explanation... of how your current President got
elected...

"JG" wrote in message
...
The American people, in general, did not vote for Bush. In fact, the
majority of people eligible to vote didn't vote for Bush. Only the
majority
of those who voted, voted for Bush.

As usual, you're just plain wrong. But, keep squirming.

So in effect Jon claims Bush was elected in a landslide by a minority??

Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!! How stupid is that??

CM

"JG" wrote in message
...
"Most
Americans" did NOT vote for Bush. That they did is just factually
inaccurate.

true. Many voted against Kerry. Same-same.

I have no problem with that logical statement.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Sailing Dave" wrote in message
...
OK, lets say, just for kicks, that Bush was not elected by most Americans.
Then, I submit, that no president has ever been elected by most Americans.
The problem is that your argument ignores the mechanics of our system..
Non-voters going with the majority is not esoteric, it is at the very
heart of the system. If you don't vote then you are saying that you trust
the majority and their decision. it is a vote fot the winner.
"JG" wrote in message
...
I don't see how my argument is full of "logicial falacies," when that's
exactly what happened. The issue about whether or not a non-vote is a vote
with the majority is a seperate and rather esoteric point that has nothing
to do with Moron's argument that Bush was elected by most Americans. "Most
Americans" did NOT vote for Bush. That they did is just factually
inaccurate.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Sailing Dave" wrote in message
...
Well, he has a point. The problem is that his point is full of logical
falacies. The American people did elect Bush. In our system, every
person - aside from certain felons and people deemed mentally ineligible
to vote - have the right to vote. The first decision every voting age
citizen makes is whether to vote or not. If one opts not to vote, his
vote is actually cast with the majority. The non-vote is essebtially a
persons conscious decision to go with the majority. So, if you aply
this logic (which incidentally is the topic of one of the Federalist
papers that is assumed to have been authored by Jefferson), Bush won by
an even wider margin, sisnce you would add all registered voters who did
not cast a ballot in the Bush column. Remember, a ballot not cast is a
ballot cast for the winner of an election.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:jcaPd.44310$gA4.6564@edtnps89...
Well here is _His_ explanation... of how your current President got
elected...

"JG" wrote in message
...
The American people, in general, did not vote for Bush. In fact, the
majority of people eligible to vote didn't vote for Bush. Only the
majority
of those who voted, voted for Bush.

As usual, you're just plain wrong. But, keep squirming.

So in effect Jon claims Bush was elected in a landslide by a minority??

Bwahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!! How stupid is that??

CM

You stupid-stupid, but that's beside the point also.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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"JG" wrote in message
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"Most
Americans" did NOT vote for Bush. That they did is just factually
inaccurate.

true. Many voted against Kerry. Same-same.

Sometimes, just occasionally, Dave has something useful to contribute.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:27:58 -0500, "Sailing Dave"
said:

(which incidentally is the topic of one of the Federalist papers that is
assumed to have been authored by Jefferson)

Surely you jest. Jefferson wouldn't have been caught dead making most of
the
arguments made by Hamilton, Madison and Jay in the Federalist papers.

Dave