It would be possible to tack with a spacecraft capable of using the solar
wind....

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Solsail.htm

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Be a man. Admit your foolish error. Further Ganz bashing only
demonstrates
your frustration - not your manliness.

Stand Down.... I've made no error!
If I recall correctly you were alluding to tacking through a Solar Wind...
which would outline your proficiency in the subject you've only recently
researched by utilizing Ganz's links!
Here let me quote you brainiac..

Bwaahahhahahahahahhahhahha. That solar sail will work but
only downwind or crosswind. It will never be able to go upwind.

It is against the known laws of physics for a sailboat to sail
directly into the wind and it's the same for solar sails

Cross Wind????? ... on a photon wave?? Solar Wind..... Pffft!

.....and since when are you placing limits to tormenting Ganz?

CM

Neal is wrong...

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Solsail.htm

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

I stand by my statements. A solar sail cannot go anywhere but
downwind. It can use gravity assist from various bodies in space
to go sideways to the solar wind and even directly upwind in
which case the sails would have to be furled or turned edge
on to the solar wind. The velocity a solar sail attains from
going downwind can be used to allow it to travel in any direction
provided it has an intelligent program using planetary mechanics.

Oh cripes... that's not what you said... here's what you said Einstein!

That solar sail will work but
only downwind or crosswind.

And, I still have not visited a single ganz link on this subject.

Yes you have.....

I have
bookmarked a couple of space sites and I read them regularly.

If you did... you'd know how stupid your original statement was!


This is why I know it all.

Bwahahahahahahaaa....
Really Space Cadet?.... then kindly explain how you'd set your solar
sails for a beam reach on a solar wind despite the radial pattern of
dispersion.
Then since you know it all..... explain the description of photon waves as
a "wind"....

CM

Here you go loser...

http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Solsail.htm

In many respects, it is quite similar.

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

Poor Mooron, there is no greater humiliation than to lose to Jonathan!

I've lost nothing... I've made no claims..... I only posted insults and
innuendo. You on the other hand seem to have lost your dignity!
You lumbered in on a subject you were ill informed on and made outlandish
claims... agreeing with Ganz that a Solar Wind was equivalent to an ocean
breeze! Ganz posted URLs that only served to prove he didn't have a clue
about the subject.... and now you've decided to compound that by siding
with Ganz in the Loser's Box!

Way to go there .... those books on the language of women really have had
an effect... you now know how to communicate with Ganz!

CM

You're your own worst dummy.

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"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
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"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message

I guess you've noticed how, even when one is defending Jon, it's really
insulting to him.

Jon is his own worst enemy.....
Frankly I'm elated you decided to jump in ... at least I was forced to
engage brain cell activity! I even managed to get Ozone to jump in ... but
I think he caught on as to where I was going with this and bailed! :-)

CM

OzOne wrote in message

Moron, if you're driving a space ship....you can.

Power Boater!

CM

Capt. Neal® wrote:
That reminds me. Remember that idiot, over in England I think, who
claimed he could use a windmill contraption aboard his boat to power the
boat straight into the wind using only the power of the wind?

Which one was that, Neal?

Was it this one:
http://foxxaero.homestead.com/indrad_007.html

Or this one:
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~fs...deos/page8.htm

Both of these boats will sail directly into the wind. They do not
"violate the laws of physics."


Bwaahahhahahahahahhahhahha. That solar sail will work but
only downwind or crosswind. It will never be able to go upwind.

Neither will a sailboat, unless it has the water to push against.

It is against the known laws of physics for a sailboat to sail
directly into the wind

A regular sailboat cannot convert the force of the wind into upwind
motion. A Wind Turbine Boat, with a propeller can. Not law is violated.

and it's the same for solar sails.

Without the force of the keel in the water, a normal sailboat can't tack
upwind either.

And, you actually believe that crap?

CN


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
Capt. Neal® wrote:
That reminds me. Remember that idiot, over in England I think, who claimed he could use a windmill contraption aboard his boat to
power the boat straight into the wind using only the power of the wind?

Which one was that, Neal?

Was it this one:
http://foxxaero.homestead.com/indrad_007.html

Or this one:
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~fs...deos/page8.htm

Both of these boats will sail directly into the wind. They do not "violate the laws of physics."


Bwaahahhahahahahahhahhahha. That solar sail will work but
only downwind or crosswind. It will never be able to go upwind.

Neither will a sailboat, unless it has the water to push against.

It is against the known laws of physics for a sailboat to sail
directly into the wind

A regular sailboat cannot convert the force of the wind into upwind motion. A Wind Turbine Boat, with a propeller can. Not law
is violated.

and it's the same for solar sails.

Without the force of the keel in the water, a normal sailboat can't tack upwind either.

Your should try actually sailing upwind. It is possible, you know. You
don't have to use the engine.


Capt. Neal® wrote:
And, you actually believe that crap?

CN


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...

Capt. Neal® wrote:

That reminds me. Remember that idiot, over in England I think, who
claimed he could use a windmill contraption aboard his boat to power
the boat straight into the wind using only the power of the wind?


Which one was that, Neal?

Was it this one:
http://foxxaero.homestead.com/indrad_007.html

Or this one:
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~fs...deos/page8.htm

Both of these boats will sail directly into the wind. They do not
"violate the laws of physics."


Bwaahahhahahahahahhahhahha. That solar sail will work but
only downwind or crosswind. It will never be able to go upwind.


Neither will a sailboat, unless it has the water to push against.

It is against the known laws of physics for a sailboat to sail
directly into the wind


A regular sailboat cannot convert the force of the wind into upwind
motion. A Wind Turbine Boat, with a propeller can. Not law is violated.

and it's the same for solar sails.


Without the force of the keel in the water, a normal sailboat can't
tack upwind either.

Jeff, give him a break. Neal doesn't sail. Don't rub it in.

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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
Your should try actually sailing upwind. It is possible, you know. You
don't have to use the engine.


Capt. Neal® wrote:
And, you actually believe that crap?

CN


"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...

Capt. Neal® wrote:

That reminds me. Remember that idiot, over in England I think, who
claimed he could use a windmill contraption aboard his boat to power
the boat straight into the wind using only the power of the wind?


Which one was that, Neal?

Was it this one:
http://foxxaero.homestead.com/indrad_007.html

Or this one:
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~fs...deos/page8.htm

Both of these boats will sail directly into the wind. They do not
"violate the laws of physics."


Bwaahahhahahahahahhahhahha. That solar sail will work but
only downwind or crosswind. It will never be able to go upwind.


Neither will a sailboat, unless it has the water to push against.

It is against the known laws of physics for a sailboat to sail
directly into the wind


A regular sailboat cannot convert the force of the wind into upwind
motion. A Wind Turbine Boat, with a propeller can. Not law is
violated.

and it's the same for solar sails.


Without the force of the keel in the water, a normal sailboat can't tack
upwind either.

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
Capt. Neal® wrote:
That reminds me. Remember that idiot, over in England I think, who claimed he could use a windmill contraption aboard his boat to
power the boat straight into the wind using only the power of the wind?

Which one was that, Neal?
Or this one:
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~fs...deos/page8.htm


Yeah right! Is that why the boat shown in the above link is on a reach?

CN
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