Dear NRDC BioGems Defender,

No one voted on Election Day to destroy the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
But President Bush is now claiming a mandate to do exactly that.

Congressional leaders are pushing for a quick vote that would turn America's
greatest sanctuary for Arctic wildlife into a vast, polluted oil field.

Even worse, they are planning to avoid public debate on this devastating
measure by hiding it in a must-pass budget bill.

Please go to http://www.savebiogems.org/arctic/ta....asp?ms=RR0501
right now and send a message telling your U.S. senators and representative to
reject this sneak attack on the Arctic Refuge.

And please forward my message to your friends, family and colleagues. We must
mobilize millions of Americans in opposition as quickly as possible.

Don't believe for a second that the president is targeting the Arctic Refuge
for the sake of America's energy security or to lower gas prices at the pump.

President Bush knows full well that oil drilled in the Arctic Refuge would take

ten years to get to market and would never equal more than a paltry one or two
percent of our nation's daily consumption. Simply put, sacrificing the crown
jewel of our wildlife heritage would do nothing to reduce gas prices or break
our addiction to Persian Gulf oil.

But if the raid on the Arctic Refuge isn't really about gas prices or energy
security, then what is it about?

It's the symbolism.

The Arctic Refuge represents everything spectacular and everything endangered
about America's natural heritage. It embodies a million years of ecological
serenity . . . a vast stretch of pristine wilderness . . . an irreplaceable
birthing ground for polar bears, caribou and white wolves.

It is the greatest living reminder that conserving nature in its wild state is
a core American value. It stands for every remnant of wilderness that we, as a
people, have wisely chosen to protect from the relentless march of bulldozers,
chain saws and oil rigs.

And that's why the Bush administration is dead set on destroying it.

By unlocking the Arctic Refuge, they hope to open the door for oil, gas and
coal giants to invade our last and best wild places: our western canyonlands,
our ancient forests, our coastal waters, even our national monuments.

This is the real agenda behind the raid on the Arctic Refuge and the entire
Bush-Cheney energy plan: to transfer our public estate into corporate hands so
it can be liquidated for a quick buck.

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) admitted as much when he said this
battle over the Arctic Refuge is really a fight over whether energy exploration

will be allowed in similarly sensitive areas in the future. "It's about
precedent," Rep. DeLay said.

I take him at his word. If we let the president and Congress plunder the Arctic

National Wildlife Refuge for the sake of oil company profits, then no piece of
our natural heritage will be safe from wholesale destruction.

Please go to http://www.savebiogems.org/arctic/ta....asp?ms=RR0501
and tell your senators and representative they have no mandate to destroy the
Arctic Refuge. Then please be sure to forward this message to as many people as

you can.

And thank you for speaking out at this critical time.

Sincerely,

Robert Redford
Board of Trustees
Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC)

Wow... you got a letter from Robert Redford.... you are well connected in
the movie industry aren't you Bob!

BTW - tell Robert Redford that anyone who voted for Bush ... did indeed vote
to turn the refuge into an oil field.... Duh!!

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Dear NRDC BioGems Defender,

No one voted on Election Day to destroy the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge.
But President Bush is now claiming a mandate to do exactly that.

Congressional leaders are pushing for a quick vote that would turn
America's
greatest sanctuary for Arctic wildlife into a vast, polluted oil field.

Even worse, they are planning to avoid public debate on this devastating
measure by hiding it in a must-pass budget bill.

Please go to http://www.savebiogems.org/arctic/ta....asp?ms=RR0501
right now and send a message telling your U.S. senators and representative
to
reject this sneak attack on the Arctic Refuge.

And please forward my message to your friends, family and colleagues. We
must
mobilize millions of Americans in opposition as quickly as possible.

Don't believe for a second that the president is targeting the Arctic
Refuge
for the sake of America's energy security or to lower gas prices at the
pump.

President Bush knows full well that oil drilled in the Arctic Refuge would
take

ten years to get to market and would never equal more than a paltry one or
two
percent of our nation's daily consumption. Simply put, sacrificing the
crown
jewel of our wildlife heritage would do nothing to reduce gas prices or
break
our addiction to Persian Gulf oil.

But if the raid on the Arctic Refuge isn't really about gas prices or
energy
security, then what is it about?

It's the symbolism.

The Arctic Refuge represents everything spectacular and everything
endangered
about America's natural heritage. It embodies a million years of
ecological
serenity . . . a vast stretch of pristine wilderness . . . an
irreplaceable
birthing ground for polar bears, caribou and white wolves.

It is the greatest living reminder that conserving nature in its wild
state is
a core American value. It stands for every remnant of wilderness that we,
as a
people, have wisely chosen to protect from the relentless march of
bulldozers,
chain saws and oil rigs.

And that's why the Bush administration is dead set on destroying it.

By unlocking the Arctic Refuge, they hope to open the door for oil, gas
and
coal giants to invade our last and best wild places: our western
canyonlands,
our ancient forests, our coastal waters, even our national monuments.

This is the real agenda behind the raid on the Arctic Refuge and the
entire
Bush-Cheney energy plan: to transfer our public estate into corporate
hands so
it can be liquidated for a quick buck.

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) admitted as much when he said this
battle over the Arctic Refuge is really a fight over whether energy
exploration

will be allowed in similarly sensitive areas in the future. "It's about
precedent," Rep. DeLay said.

I take him at his word. If we let the president and Congress plunder the
Arctic

National Wildlife Refuge for the sake of oil company profits, then no
piece of
our natural heritage will be safe from wholesale destruction.

Please go to http://www.savebiogems.org/arctic/ta....asp?ms=RR0501
and tell your senators and representative they have no mandate to destroy
the
Arctic Refuge. Then please be sure to forward this message to as many
people as

you can.

And thank you for speaking out at this critical time.

Sincerely,

Robert Redford
Board of Trustees
Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC)

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:21:51 GMT, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote this crap:

Wow... you got a letter from Robert Redford.... you are well connected in
the movie industry aren't you Bob!

BTW - tell Robert Redford that anyone who voted for Bush ... did indeed vote
to turn the refuge into an oil field.... Duh!!


Better there, than in the Great Lakes.






Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:21:51 GMT, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote this crap:

Wow... you got a letter from Robert Redford.... you are well connected in
the movie industry aren't you Bob!

BTW - tell Robert Redford that anyone who voted for Bush ... did indeed
vote
to turn the refuge into an oil field.... Duh!!


Better there, than in the Great Lakes.

The Great Lakes are an environmental hazard... that's close enough!

CM

Bob,

Guess you never been fishing at an drilling or production rig have
you?

You dont know sqawt about the oilfield. It about time we reduce the
dependence on other for our energy needs.

More Nukes, More Drilling, More Solar, More wind. All made in America.

Joe

More like hot air.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Bob,

Guess you never been fishing at an drilling or production rig have
you?

You dont know sqawt about the oilfield. It about time we reduce the
dependence on other for our energy needs.

More Nukes, More Drilling, More Solar, More wind. All made in America.

Joe

World fuel consumption [demand] is exceeding supply. Oil
reserves will run out in our lifetimes. Scientists are now
saying we will run out of fossil fuels before they have a
significant impact on global warming.

Get a clue. Every bit of mineral oil in the ground or under
the sea, that can economically be extracted--will be extracted.
No matter where it is. The entire world economy depends on
it. You depend on it.

If you really want to save the Artic, the solution is to push for
legislation to develop and commericially market hydrogen fuels.

Consider that from the prespective of geological time the
life of Artic oil fields will be very short.

Even if nothing was done to clean up damange, which would
not happen, Mother Nature would solve this problem all by herself.
The fact is there would be a clean up when we are done extracting
this oil.

There is nothing on the ocean that can long survive--no ship,
no mining structure, and no mineral oil spill that Mother Nature
won't clean up herself in a very short time. On land it takes a
little longer.

If you want to be concerned about the environment, be concerned
about toxic chemicals and radiological contaminants--you will
find those closer to home--not in the Artic.

Let them pump all the oil and natural gas they can out of there and
simply make sure they do a clean job of it and remove all the
damage when they leave! Given time, there will be nothing
significant to show we were there. If you really care, go up there
and monitor what they are doing. I doubt you care enough to leave
your warm home--heated with fossil fuel, and put action to your
words.

In five years oil prices will be sharply higher, and you will be
mad at whoever is in office because fuel prices will be too high.
People will have bigger concerns--like how to stay warm.

"Bobsprit" wrote

Dear NRDC BioGems Defender,

No one voted on Election Day to destroy the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge.
But President Bush is now claiming a mandate to do exactly that.

Congressional leaders are pushing for a quick vote that would turn
America's
greatest sanctuary for Arctic wildlife into a vast, polluted oil field.

Even worse, they are planning to avoid public debate on this devastating
measure by hiding it in a must-pass budget bill.

Please go to http://www.savebiogems.org/arctic/ta....asp?ms=RR0501
right now and send a message telling your U.S. senators and representative
to
reject this sneak attack on the Arctic Refuge.

And please forward my message to your friends, family and colleagues. We
must
mobilize millions of Americans in opposition as quickly as possible.

Don't believe for a second that the president is targeting the Arctic
Refuge
for the sake of America's energy security or to lower gas prices at the
pump.

President Bush knows full well that oil drilled in the Arctic Refuge would
take

ten years to get to market and would never equal more than a paltry one or
two
percent of our nation's daily consumption. Simply put, sacrificing the
crown
jewel of our wildlife heritage would do nothing to reduce gas prices or
break
our addiction to Persian Gulf oil.

But if the raid on the Arctic Refuge isn't really about gas prices or
energy
security, then what is it about?

It's the symbolism.

The Arctic Refuge represents everything spectacular and everything
endangered
about America's natural heritage. It embodies a million years of
ecological
serenity . . . a vast stretch of pristine wilderness . . . an
irreplaceable
birthing ground for polar bears, caribou and white wolves.

It is the greatest living reminder that conserving nature in its wild
state is
a core American value. It stands for every remnant of wilderness that we,
as a
people, have wisely chosen to protect from the relentless march of
bulldozers,
chain saws and oil rigs.

And that's why the Bush administration is dead set on destroying it.

By unlocking the Arctic Refuge, they hope to open the door for oil, gas
and
coal giants to invade our last and best wild places: our western
canyonlands,
our ancient forests, our coastal waters, even our national monuments.

This is the real agenda behind the raid on the Arctic Refuge and the
entire
Bush-Cheney energy plan: to transfer our public estate into corporate
hands so
it can be liquidated for a quick buck.

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) admitted as much when he said this
battle over the Arctic Refuge is really a fight over whether energy
exploration

will be allowed in similarly sensitive areas in the future. "It's about
precedent," Rep. DeLay said.

I take him at his word. If we let the president and Congress plunder the
Arctic

National Wildlife Refuge for the sake of oil company profits, then no
piece of
our natural heritage will be safe from wholesale destruction.

Please go to http://www.savebiogems.org/arctic/ta....asp?ms=RR0501
and tell your senators and representative they have no mandate to destroy
the
Arctic Refuge. Then please be sure to forward this message to as many
people as

you can.

And thank you for speaking out at this critical time.

Sincerely,

Robert Redford
Board of Trustees
Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC)

Oil is created by bacteria from organic material. It does not take thousands
of years to create. It can be created in a short time from biomass.

Where does hydrogen occur naturally? How can it be gotten and yet there be
a net energy gain?

Whale blubber reserves are increasing. Using eco-statistical methods, before
we die from global warming we will be crushed by excess whale blubber.

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
World fuel consumption [demand] is exceeding supply. Oil
reserves will run out in our lifetimes. Scientists are now
saying we will run out of fossil fuels before they have a
significant impact on global warming.

Get a clue. Every bit of mineral oil in the ground or under
the sea, that can economically be extracted--will be extracted.
No matter where it is. The entire world economy depends on
it. You depend on it.

If you really want to save the Artic, the solution is to push for
legislation to develop and commericially market hydrogen fuels.

Consider that from the prespective of geological time the
life of Artic oil fields will be very short.

Even if nothing was done to clean up damange, which would
not happen, Mother Nature would solve this problem all by herself.
The fact is there would be a clean up when we are done extracting
this oil.

There is nothing on the ocean that can long survive--no ship,
no mining structure, and no mineral oil spill that Mother Nature
won't clean up herself in a very short time. On land it takes a
little longer.

If you want to be concerned about the environment, be concerned
about toxic chemicals and radiological contaminants--you will
find those closer to home--not in the Artic.

Let them pump all the oil and natural gas they can out of there and
simply make sure they do a clean job of it and remove all the
damage when they leave! Given time, there will be nothing
significant to show we were there. If you really care, go up there
and monitor what they are doing. I doubt you care enough to leave
your warm home--heated with fossil fuel, and put action to your
words.

In five years oil prices will be sharply higher, and you will be
mad at whoever is in office because fuel prices will be too high.
People will have bigger concerns--like how to stay warm.

"Bobsprit" wrote

Dear NRDC BioGems Defender,

No one voted on Election Day to destroy the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge.
But President Bush is now claiming a mandate to do exactly that.

Congressional leaders are pushing for a quick vote that would turn
America's
greatest sanctuary for Arctic wildlife into a vast, polluted oil field.

Even worse, they are planning to avoid public debate on this devastating
measure by hiding it in a must-pass budget bill.

Please go to http://www.savebiogems.org/arctic/ta....asp?ms=RR0501
right now and send a message telling your U.S. senators and
representative
to
reject this sneak attack on the Arctic Refuge.

And please forward my message to your friends, family and colleagues. We
must
mobilize millions of Americans in opposition as quickly as possible.

Don't believe for a second that the president is targeting the Arctic
Refuge
for the sake of America's energy security or to lower gas prices at the
pump.

President Bush knows full well that oil drilled in the Arctic Refuge
would
take

ten years to get to market and would never equal more than a paltry one
or
two
percent of our nation's daily consumption. Simply put, sacrificing the
crown
jewel of our wildlife heritage would do nothing to reduce gas prices or
break
our addiction to Persian Gulf oil.

But if the raid on the Arctic Refuge isn't really about gas prices or
energy
security, then what is it about?

It's the symbolism.

The Arctic Refuge represents everything spectacular and everything
endangered
about America's natural heritage. It embodies a million years of
ecological
serenity . . . a vast stretch of pristine wilderness . . . an
irreplaceable
birthing ground for polar bears, caribou and white wolves.

It is the greatest living reminder that conserving nature in its wild
state is
a core American value. It stands for every remnant of wilderness that
we,
as a
people, have wisely chosen to protect from the relentless march of
bulldozers,
chain saws and oil rigs.

And that's why the Bush administration is dead set on destroying it.

By unlocking the Arctic Refuge, they hope to open the door for oil, gas
and
coal giants to invade our last and best wild places: our western
canyonlands,
our ancient forests, our coastal waters, even our national monuments.

This is the real agenda behind the raid on the Arctic Refuge and the
entire
Bush-Cheney energy plan: to transfer our public estate into corporate
hands so
it can be liquidated for a quick buck.

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) admitted as much when he said
this
battle over the Arctic Refuge is really a fight over whether energy
exploration

will be allowed in similarly sensitive areas in the future. "It's about
precedent," Rep. DeLay said.

I take him at his word. If we let the president and Congress plunder the
Arctic

National Wildlife Refuge for the sake of oil company profits, then no
piece of
our natural heritage will be safe from wholesale destruction.

Please go to http://www.savebiogems.org/arctic/ta....asp?ms=RR0501
and tell your senators and representative they have no mandate to
destroy
the
Arctic Refuge. Then please be sure to forward this message to as many
people as

you can.

And thank you for speaking out at this critical time.

Sincerely,

Robert Redford
Board of Trustees
Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC)

Bart Senior wrote:
World fuel consumption [demand] is exceeding supply.

That's true, but it's somewhat of an artificially constructed political
situation. At any given moment, producers could (if they wanted to) step
up production to exceed demand. But it's doubtful that they could
sustain it because demand is ramping up even with prices going up faster
than inflation. So why go to the trouble, especially when it puts you
and me (and all of the US) literally over a barrel?


... Oil
reserves will run out in our lifetimes.

Depends on how well you take care of yourself

... Scientists are now
saying we will run out of fossil fuels before they have a
significant impact on global warming.


???
Which "scientists" are saying this? All but the paid shills are saying
that our burning fossil fuels most likely have already had significant
impact on the global climate.


Get a clue. Every bit of mineral oil in the ground or under
the sea, that can economically be extracted--will be extracted.
No matter where it is. The entire world economy depends on
it. You depend on it.


That is exactly right.

If you really want to save the Artic, the solution is to push for
legislation to develop and commericially market hydrogen fuels.


I dunno if hydrogen is closest on the horizon.

Here's an important point: there are already off-the-shelf substitutes
for fossil fuels. You could run your car on renewable methane tomorrow
afternoon if you wanted to. Here's the problem... it's more expensive.
So are all the current or forseeable alternatives.

Why don't you put up a big solar panel and run your car off solar
generated electricity? Because to get enough energy to drive very far or
very fast, you'd spend thousands on soalr panels & fancy batteries,
that's why!

Etc etc etc.

Until gasoline gets at least twice as expensive (and I'd be tempted to
say 5X), there is no substitute.

Consider that from the prespective of geological time the
life of Artic oil fields will be very short.


Agreed again.

Even if nothing was done to clean up damange, which would
not happen, Mother Nature would solve this problem all by herself.
The fact is there would be a clean up when we are done extracting
this oil.


Yeah, but once the species livng there are wiped out, they're gone.
Kaput. How are you going to "clean up" extinct species?


There is nothing on the ocean that can long survive--no ship,
no mining structure, and no mineral oil spill that Mother Nature
won't clean up herself in a very short time. On land it takes a
little longer.


Now here I disagree. Prince William Sound has still not recovered fully
from the Exxon Valdez spill. It is not at all easy to "clean up" a
petroleum product spill. The best you can do it containerize it and put
it someplace that's already ruined.


If you want to be concerned about the environment, be concerned
about toxic chemicals and radiological contaminants--you will
find those closer to home--not in the Artic.


Agreed again... with the caveat this is not a good excuse for trashing
the arctic.


Let them pump all the oil and natural gas they can out of there

Naw, let's wait until it will be even more valuable.

In five years oil prices will be sharply higher, and you will be
mad at whoever is in office

Most likely a Republican, if they reap all the campaign contributions
that Wall Street is sure to shower on them when President Bush's Social
Security plan goes through...

But wait, I digress... agreed again. A good post Bart, thanks.

Here's one added thing... if you think that fuel prices will get high
enough for sailing ships to once again take over the world's commerce,
that ain't gonna happen. As Phillip Bolger pointed out a long time ago,
cargo ships are mortgaged, and they earn by the number of cargos they
deliver... as long as motor ships (or steam ships) can average faster
per ton/mile, they'll do the carrying.

Regards
Doug King
because fuel prices will be too high.
People will have bigger concerns--like how to stay warm.

Actually, the answer is in the stars... or at least the moon and the
asteroids...

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
World fuel consumption [demand] is exceeding supply. Oil
reserves will run out in our lifetimes. Scientists are now
saying we will run out of fossil fuels before they have a
significant impact on global warming.

Get a clue. Every bit of mineral oil in the ground or under
the sea, that can economically be extracted--will be extracted.
No matter where it is. The entire world economy depends on
it. You depend on it.

If you really want to save the Artic, the solution is to push for
legislation to develop and commericially market hydrogen fuels.

Consider that from the prespective of geological time the
life of Artic oil fields will be very short.

Even if nothing was done to clean up damange, which would
not happen, Mother Nature would solve this problem all by herself.
The fact is there would be a clean up when we are done extracting
this oil.

There is nothing on the ocean that can long survive--no ship,
no mining structure, and no mineral oil spill that Mother Nature
won't clean up herself in a very short time. On land it takes a
little longer.

If you want to be concerned about the environment, be concerned
about toxic chemicals and radiological contaminants--you will
find those closer to home--not in the Artic.

Let them pump all the oil and natural gas they can out of there and
simply make sure they do a clean job of it and remove all the
damage when they leave! Given time, there will be nothing
significant to show we were there. If you really care, go up there
and monitor what they are doing. I doubt you care enough to leave
your warm home--heated with fossil fuel, and put action to your
words.

In five years oil prices will be sharply higher, and you will be
mad at whoever is in office because fuel prices will be too high.
People will have bigger concerns--like how to stay warm.

"Bobsprit" wrote

Dear NRDC BioGems Defender,

No one voted on Election Day to destroy the Arctic National Wildlife
Refuge.
But President Bush is now claiming a mandate to do exactly that.

Congressional leaders are pushing for a quick vote that would turn
America's
greatest sanctuary for Arctic wildlife into a vast, polluted oil field.

Even worse, they are planning to avoid public debate on this devastating
measure by hiding it in a must-pass budget bill.

Please go to http://www.savebiogems.org/arctic/ta....asp?ms=RR0501
right now and send a message telling your U.S. senators and
representative to
reject this sneak attack on the Arctic Refuge.

And please forward my message to your friends, family and colleagues. We
must
mobilize millions of Americans in opposition as quickly as possible.

Don't believe for a second that the president is targeting the Arctic
Refuge
for the sake of America's energy security or to lower gas prices at the
pump.

President Bush knows full well that oil drilled in the Arctic Refuge
would take

ten years to get to market and would never equal more than a paltry one
or two
percent of our nation's daily consumption. Simply put, sacrificing the
crown
jewel of our wildlife heritage would do nothing to reduce gas prices or
break
our addiction to Persian Gulf oil.

But if the raid on the Arctic Refuge isn't really about gas prices or
energy
security, then what is it about?

It's the symbolism.

The Arctic Refuge represents everything spectacular and everything
endangered
about America's natural heritage. It embodies a million years of
ecological
serenity . . . a vast stretch of pristine wilderness . . . an
irreplaceable
birthing ground for polar bears, caribou and white wolves.

It is the greatest living reminder that conserving nature in its wild
state is
a core American value. It stands for every remnant of wilderness that we,
as a
people, have wisely chosen to protect from the relentless march of
bulldozers,
chain saws and oil rigs.

And that's why the Bush administration is dead set on destroying it.

By unlocking the Arctic Refuge, they hope to open the door for oil, gas
and
coal giants to invade our last and best wild places: our western
canyonlands,
our ancient forests, our coastal waters, even our national monuments.

This is the real agenda behind the raid on the Arctic Refuge and the
entire
Bush-Cheney energy plan: to transfer our public estate into corporate
hands so
it can be liquidated for a quick buck.

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) admitted as much when he said this
battle over the Arctic Refuge is really a fight over whether energy
exploration

will be allowed in similarly sensitive areas in the future. "It's about
precedent," Rep. DeLay said.

I take him at his word. If we let the president and Congress plunder the
Arctic

National Wildlife Refuge for the sake of oil company profits, then no
piece of
our natural heritage will be safe from wholesale destruction.

Please go to http://www.savebiogems.org/arctic/ta....asp?ms=RR0501
and tell your senators and representative they have no mandate to destroy
the
Arctic Refuge. Then please be sure to forward this message to as many
people as

you can.

And thank you for speaking out at this critical time.

Sincerely,

Robert Redford
Board of Trustees
Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC)