Ethanol is heavily subsidized in the US thanks to Cargill and Bob Dole. It
actually increases pollution by lowering the gas mileage and efficiency of a
car engine. Looking at the total production cycle ethanol is a bust as far
as cost and pollution.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:3m1Pd.44113$gA4.39345@edtnps89...

"Maxprop" wrote in message

Why is ethanol completely ignored? We can grow corn til the cows come
home (provided they don't take a shortcut through the cornfield). It's
the most practical renewable resource today, and would benefit one of
the
most beleagured segments of society: farmers. Our local ethanol plant
can produce a gallon of ethanol for less than 25 cents. Auto engines
can
be made to run on pure or slightly modified ethanol for less cost than
to
convert them to run on methane, and for a tiny fraction of the cost of
hydrogen fuel cell technology.

We sell ethanol at the pumps here in Canada..... it's not that cheap!

CM

I think we should go to Pedal Cars... think of the advantage in health and
the environment... never mind the drastic reduction of fatal highway
accidents.

CM

"Gilligan" wrote in message
nk.net...
Ethanol is heavily subsidized in the US thanks to Cargill and Bob Dole. It
actually increases pollution by lowering the gas mileage and efficiency of
a
car engine. Looking at the total production cycle ethanol is a bust as far
as cost and pollution.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:3m1Pd.44113$gA4.39345@edtnps89...

"Maxprop" wrote in message

Why is ethanol completely ignored? We can grow corn til the cows come
home (provided they don't take a shortcut through the cornfield). It's
the most practical renewable resource today, and would benefit one of
the
most beleagured segments of society: farmers. Our local ethanol plant
can produce a gallon of ethanol for less than 25 cents. Auto engines
can
be made to run on pure or slightly modified ethanol for less cost than
to
convert them to run on methane, and for a tiny fraction of the cost of
hydrogen fuel cell technology.

We sell ethanol at the pumps here in Canada..... it's not that cheap!

CM

You are a genius!


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:Qt3Pd.44150$gA4.4289@edtnps89...
I think we should go to Pedal Cars... think of the advantage in health and
the environment... never mind the drastic reduction of fatal highway
accidents.

CM

"Gilligan" wrote in message
nk.net...
Ethanol is heavily subsidized in the US thanks to Cargill and Bob Dole.
It
actually increases pollution by lowering the gas mileage and efficiency
of
a
car engine. Looking at the total production cycle ethanol is a bust as
far
as cost and pollution.
"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
news:3m1Pd.44113$gA4.39345@edtnps89...

"Maxprop" wrote in message

Why is ethanol completely ignored? We can grow corn til the cows
come
home (provided they don't take a shortcut through the cornfield).
It's
the most practical renewable resource today, and would benefit one of
the
most beleagured segments of society: farmers. Our local ethanol
plant
can produce a gallon of ethanol for less than 25 cents. Auto engines
can
be made to run on pure or slightly modified ethanol for less cost
than
to
convert them to run on methane, and for a tiny fraction of the cost
of
hydrogen fuel cell technology.

We sell ethanol at the pumps here in Canada..... it's not that cheap!

CM

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:40:48 GMT, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote this crap:

I think we should go to Pedal Cars... think of the advantage in health and
the environment... never mind the drastic reduction of fatal highway
accidents.


They haven't made those since the Flintstones.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:40:48 GMT, "Capt. Mooron"
wrote this crap:

I think we should go to Pedal Cars... think of the advantage in health and
the environment... never mind the drastic reduction of fatal highway
accidents.


They haven't made those since the Flintstones.

I think Wilma & Betty did all the pedalling... I mean look at the size of
Fred and Barney!!
Of course both Fred & Barney could really make that car fly on bowling
nights or for the Order of the Water Buffalo meetings.

CM

"Gilligan" wrote in message

Ethanol is heavily subsidized in the US thanks to Cargill and Bob Dole. It
actually increases pollution by lowering the gas mileage and efficiency of
a
car engine. Looking at the total production cycle ethanol is a bust as far
as cost and pollution.

This sounds like oil industry BS. Not to mention that ethanol has never
been tested as a sole fuel source, rather only as a small percentage of
gasoline. Odd that race cars, such as Indy cars, used to run solely on
ethanol with a tiny percentage of nitromethane added for increased
performance. Ethanol increases octane ratings, allowing it to be used in
higher-compression engines.

If ethanol were such an prolific pollutant, why then do we have alcohol
stoves on boats, but no gasoline stoves? Why do most authorities agree that
ethanol is safer for this use than kerosene, not to mention far less smelly?

Max

Subsidies:

54 cents a gallon he

http://www.ssu.missouri.edu/publicat...97/vandyne.htm

20 cents a gallon he

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.or...khoom_ethanol/

2 billion $ a year he

http://www.cgfi.org/materials/articl...2/may_8_02.htm

54 cents a gallon he

http://www.taemag.com/issues/article...cle_detail.asp


Pure ethanol has 118 octane. What gas station sells pure ethanol to the
regular public? What is the cost? The ethanol blend used here decreases gas
mileage.




"Maxprop" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Gilligan" wrote in message

Ethanol is heavily subsidized in the US thanks to Cargill and Bob Dole.
It
actually increases pollution by lowering the gas mileage and efficiency
of
a
car engine. Looking at the total production cycle ethanol is a bust as
far
as cost and pollution.

This sounds like oil industry BS. Not to mention that ethanol has never
been tested as a sole fuel source, rather only as a small percentage of
gasoline. Odd that race cars, such as Indy cars, used to run solely on
ethanol with a tiny percentage of nitromethane added for increased
performance. Ethanol increases octane ratings, allowing it to be used in
higher-compression engines.

If ethanol were such an prolific pollutant, why then do we have alcohol
stoves on boats, but no gasoline stoves? Why do most authorities agree
that
ethanol is safer for this use than kerosene, not to mention far less
smelly?

Max