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36 foot S2 Center Cockpit cruising yacht
A ladyfriend of mine who shall remain nameless is looking at a 1981
36' S2 Center Cockpit cruiser. One can be seen he www.sailorswarf.com Does anybody have any experience, good or bad, with this model S2 or S2's in general. I have heard they are middle-of-the-road as far as quality. Better than a Hunter but worse than a Pearson, for example. Are there any known issues when used as a coastal cruiser? CN |
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Neal was trying to spell barf.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com wrote in message ... On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:21:05 -0500, Capt. Neal® wrote: A ladyfriend of mine who shall remain nameless is looking at a 1981 36' S2 Center Cockpit cruiser. One can be seen he www.sailorswarf.com Does anybody have any experience, good or bad, with this model S2 or S2's in general. I have heard they are middle-of-the-road as far as quality. Better than a Hunter but worse than a Pearson, for example. Are there any known issues when used as a coastal cruiser? CN Well, between the date on the photos, and the slathering of red paint all over the engine, I'd guess it's a grossly underpriced and fabulous boat and they are beating off potential buyers with an oar. Paint the topsides puke yellow and the refit will be complete! Oh... as a point of reference for you lubbers, it's spelled wHarf, not warf. BB |
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I'm betting that he doesn't have to try all that hard.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Wally" wrote in message k... "JG" wrote in message ... Neal was trying to smell like barf. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
S2 is better than both Hunter and Pearson. The S2 30' center cockpit is called
the 9.2C. The aft cockpit is the 9.2. If your buddy doesn't need a bathtub or a wheel the 9.1 is a better boat. Lighter, bigger rig and the interior is just as nice. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "Trains are a winter sport" |
wrote in message ... On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 11:21:05 -0500, Capt. Neal® wrote: A ladyfriend of mine who shall remain nameless is looking at a 1981 36' S2 Center Cockpit cruiser. One can be seen he www.sailorswarf.com Does anybody have any experience, good or bad, with this model S2 or S2's in general. I have heard they are middle-of-the-road as far as quality. Better than a Hunter but worse than a Pearson, for example. Are there any known issues when used as a coastal cruiser? CN Well, between the date on the photos, and the slathering of red paint all over the engine, I'd guess it's a grossly underpriced and fabulous boat and they are beating off potential buyers with an oar. Paint the topsides puke yellow and the refit will be complete! Oh... as a point of reference for you lubbers, it's spelled wHarf, not warf. BB Odd that Neal still hasn't figured out how to do the old cut and paste bit. John Cairns |
Neal,
They are a pretty damn nice boat. Built very well for coastal cruising. For my taste's they overdid it on chopping up the interior for accomodations but that is me. For a women the added privacy could be a plus. A nice turn of speed. Even when loaded. Fairly windward and handles well. There was one in our Cruising Club and was very well thought of. Ole Thom http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsHomePage |
Thanks, Thom for the reasoned feedback..
Everybody else was too ignorant to do anything other than post lame crap. CN "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Neal, They are a pretty damn nice boat. Built very well for coastal cruising. For my taste's they overdid it on chopping up the interior for accomodations but that is me. For a women the added privacy could be a plus. A nice turn of speed. Even when loaded. Fairly windward and handles well. There was one in our Cruising Club and was very well thought of. Ole Thom http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsHomePage |
**** Off... I fixed your damned link....
Next time post a firiggin' link to the boat. CM "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Thanks, Thom for the reasoned feedback.. Everybody else was too ignorant to do anything other than post lame crap. CN "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Neal, They are a pretty damn nice boat. Built very well for coastal cruising. For my taste's they overdid it on chopping up the interior for accomodations but that is me. For a women the added privacy could be a plus. A nice turn of speed. Even when loaded. Fairly windward and handles well. There was one in our Cruising Club and was very well thought of. Ole Thom http://community.webtv.net/tassail/ThomsHomePage |
wrote in message ... On 1 Feb 2005 15:57:02 -0600, Dave wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:37:37 GMT, said: Oh... as a point of reference for you lubbers, it's spelled wHarf, not warf. I'm impressed. You picked up Mooron's post correcting you within a few minutes after he posted it. ??? He said you are a day late and a dollar short.... as usual Brainiac! CM |
wrote in message ... On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 22:41:57 GMT, "Capt. Mooron" wrote: wrote in message . .. On 1 Feb 2005 15:57:02 -0600, Dave wrote: On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 16:37:37 GMT, said: Oh... as a point of reference for you lubbers, it's spelled wHarf, not warf. I'm impressed. You picked up Mooron's post correcting you within a few minutes after he posted it. ??? He said you are a day late and a dollar short.... as usual Brainiac! CM Wow! I didn't realize you were such a usenet newbie! Any idea how all this stuff works? Irrelevent Bubba.... you were just babbling about an item I already clarified. Look... you must be so used to losing by now that it must come natural! Deal with it will Ya..... quit your naggin' & whinin' CM |
wrote in message ... On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:15:41 GMT, "Capt. Mooron" wrote: Deal with it will Ya..... quit your naggin' & whinin' CM Sure thing, NotN! Heh no sweat Bubba.... BTW - love the handle! Thanx ;-D CM |
Crap'n Neal® wrote:
A ladyfriend of mine who shall remain nameless is looking at a 1981 36' S2 Center Cockpit cruiser. Who are you trying to kid? You don't have any friends. One can be seen he www.sailorswarf.com Does anybody have any experience, good or bad, with this model S2 or S2's in general. I have heard they are middle-of-the-road as far as quality. Better than a Hunter but worse than a Pearson, for example. Are there any known issues when used as a coastal cruiser? S2 is pretty well built boat. Better than some varieties of Pearson IMHO and often better design too. The 36' center cockpit S2 is probably the best sailing center cockpit cruiser ever built. Up until a short while ago we had 2 in our marina. DSK |
wrote in message ... On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:43:40 GMT, "Capt. Mooron" wrote: wrote in message . .. On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:15:41 GMT, "Capt. Mooron" wrote: Deal with it will Ya..... quit your naggin' & whinin' CM Sure thing, NotN! Heh no sweat Bubba.... BTW - love the handle! Thanx ;-D CM Glad you like it. It certainly fits, as you are the cold climate soulmate of Neal in every way. You even defend ownership of a crap boat that no one else would want unless they were trying to start a recycling company. No sweat Bubba... I'll defend your right to sail whatever you want... as long as it's not a Mac26. CM |
Some people had one at our former marina and it was a great boat...pointed
high for a center cockpit and was pretty fast...S-2's were built in Holland, MI and were custom built for the past 15 years or so...I believe they are Tiara Yachts now..or Tiara bought out their facility....S-2's are nice boats...way above the quality of Catalina's or Hunters... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... A ladyfriend of mine who shall remain nameless is looking at a 1981 36' S2 Center Cockpit cruiser. One can be seen he www.sailorswarf.com Does anybody have any experience, good or bad, with this model S2 or S2's in general. I have heard they are middle-of-the-road as far as quality. Better than a Hunter but worse than a Pearson, for example. Are there any known issues when used as a coastal cruiser? CN |
Thanks, I'm getting some good feedback - better boat than I thougt.
Maybe me and LP will have to go check out the one at St. Pete. She says there's no way she'll ever be able to stand a crummy little yellow boat with mauve cushions . . . CN "katysails" wrote in message ... Some people had one at our former marina and it was a great boat...pointed high for a center cockpit and was pretty fast...S-2's were built in Holland, MI and were custom built for the past 15 years or so...I believe they are Tiara Yachts now..or Tiara bought out their facility....S-2's are nice boats...way above the quality of Catalina's or Hunters... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... A ladyfriend of mine who shall remain nameless is looking at a 1981 36' S2 Center Cockpit cruiser. One can be seen he www.sailorswarf.com Does anybody have any experience, good or bad, with this model S2 or S2's in general. I have heard they are middle-of-the-road as far as quality. Better than a Hunter but worse than a Pearson, for example. Are there any known issues when used as a coastal cruiser? CN |
well, duh...
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... Thanks, I'm getting some good feedback - better boat than I thougt. Maybe me and LP will have to go check out the one at St. Pete. She says there's no way she'll ever be able to stand a crummy little yellow boat with mauve cushions . . . CN "katysails" wrote in message ... Some people had one at our former marina and it was a great boat...pointed high for a center cockpit and was pretty fast...S-2's were built in Holland, MI and were custom built for the past 15 years or so...I believe they are Tiara Yachts now..or Tiara bought out their facility....S-2's are nice boats...way above the quality of Catalina's or Hunters... "Capt. Neal®" wrote in message ... A ladyfriend of mine who shall remain nameless is looking at a 1981 36' S2 Center Cockpit cruiser. One can be seen he www.sailorswarf.com Does anybody have any experience, good or bad, with this model S2 or S2's in general. I have heard they are middle-of-the-road as far as quality. Better than a Hunter but worse than a Pearson, for example. Are there any known issues when used as a coastal cruiser? CN |
"Bob**** the big fat LOSER" wrote ......
I found the interior cramped No surprise there |
I found the interior cramped
No surprise there Poor scotty. Had he read the other posts he might have read the same complaint. He's as dumb as always! Bwahahahahahaha! RB |
Looky look! The guy with the ugly Express 30 thinks the S2 is nice!!! Then
he gives info for the 30 when Neal asked for the 36!!! I don't believe Neal was the original poster bud. The original poster asked about the 30 AND the 36. As usual your looking like the jerk you are here. LOL............. BTW, I'll stand by my conviction that S2s are better boats than Pearsons. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "Trains are a winter sport" |
BTW, I'll stand by my conviction that S2s are better boats than Pearsons.
Which Pearsons? The Early Albergs? The Wanderers that cross oceans? The proven cruisers of the early 80's or the suspect late 80's boats? Which S2's? The really good early eighties ones or the POS late 80's models before they went to powerboats? RB |
The really good early eighties ones or the POS late 80's models
LOL.................... You always wind up looking stupid. EVERYBODY knows S2s only got better in the mid eighties when G&S was hired to do the hull designs. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "Trains are a winter sport" |
Thanks for the link. Some good info and pics there. If I look at it I'll be
sure to check the deck, especially around all fittings, for water seepage and rot. CN "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Looky look! The guy with the ugly Express 30 thinks the S2 is nice!!! Then he gives info for the 30 when Neal asked for the 36!!! Then the poor fool actually says it's better than a Pearson? Which pearson??? What an idiot. Neal, don't you find the S2 36 (known as the 11.0) a bit ghastly with it's oversized windows (also poorly designed)? That being said, they are well built. According to my surveyor S2s are about on par with Pearsons and C&Cs of the same era, though the cored decks have proved to extra vulnerable according to some owners. The hulls are solid glass. I found the interior cramped when we checked one out for Thomas. More info at: http://www.angelfire.com/mi/loosecru...humbnails.html RB |
Crap'n Neal® wrote:
Thanks for the link. Some good info and pics there. If I look at it I'll be sure to check the deck, especially around all fittings, for water seepage and rot. Those would be smart things to look at with *any* boat, you moron. DSK |
"DSK" wrote in message ... Those would be smart things to look at with *any* boat, you moron. DSK Any boat? I sure wouldn't waste my time looking for them on a TRAWLER! CN |
EVERYBODY knows S2s
only got better in the mid eighties when G&S was hired to do the hull designs. The last two years of S2s had deck problems GALORE. Everybody knows that. DId you read Parctical Sailor comments? They got better gear, but NOT better quality. As S2 steered away from sailing and shut down for power, the boats suffered. RB |
Those would be smart things to look at with *any* boat, you moron.
Really, Doug? You look for rot on ANY sailing boat deck? Interesting. RB |
Crap'n Neal® wrote:
Any boat? I sure wouldn't waste my time looking for them on a TRAWLER! Right. Tell me where the chainplates are on a trawler. Bozo knows more about boats than you. DSK |
Right. Tell me where the chainplates are on a trawler.
Bobsprit wrote: I've seen a few trawlers with stayed stablizing rigs, so they had chainplates. C'mon, Doug. You know better than that. Did their chainplates go thru the deck? DSK |
Bobsprit wrote:
I've seen a few trawlers with stayed stablizing rigs, so they had chainplates. C'mon, Doug. You know better than that. Did their chainplates go thru the deck? Yes, and how would that matter? It's still a weakness in the deck as is any hardware, whether it be for leaks or rot in a cored deck. Even a top fitting can leak into a core and come through somewhere else. Really, Doug. C'mon. RB |
Yeah Doug. The core under the plastic always rotts, swells, cracks,
blisters, weakens, basically goes to hell in a hand basket. Well not aways.....The power of Steel! Joe |
For th benefit of any interested lurkers
Did their chainplates go thru the deck? Bobsprit wrote: Yes Really? I've looked at a 100 or more trawlers, none had chainplates thru the deck. All were bolted at the side of either the deck molding or hull. ... and how would that matter? It's still a weakness in the deck as is any hardware, whether it be for leaks or rot in a cored deck. Even a top fitting can leak into a core and come through somewhere else. Really, Doug. C'mon. Now you're agreeing with me that it would be smart to look for signs of water intrusion at deck fittings, such as chainplates, on any boat? That's what I thought. DSK |
I've looked at a 100 or more trawlers,
Well, that's ALL of them then, right?! I've seen them and you know full well that some have chainplates. RB |
Now you're agreeing with me that it would be smart to look for signs
Golly, when did I dissagree? It was the comment regarding that smacked of your typical ignorance. Try reading the posts, Doug. It'll go easier on you! Bwahahahahahaha! RB |
Apologies to all.
Bobsprit wrote: I've seen them and you know full well that some have chainplates. Did I say that no trawlers have chainplates? You're a bigger moron than that Crapton! Bubbles, you're nuts! DSK |
I've seen them and you know full well that some have chainplates.
Did I say that no trawlers have chainplates? Wow. More sad than funny actually. Cha-ching! RB |
Golly, when did I dissagree? It was the comment regarding that smacked of
your typical ignorance.. Isn't it funny how the Boob calls all the real sailors on here ignorant. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "Trains are a winter sport" |
"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message Isn't it funny how the Boob calls all the real sailors on here ignorant. I don't think that's an accurate statement... you are no "real sailor" and he calls you ignorant a lot! Seems to me he has you pegged pretty well.... CM |
"DSK" wrote in message ... Did I say that no trawlers have chainplates? You're a bigger moron than that Crapton! What you said, Douggies, is: "Right. Tell me where the chainplates are on a trawler. Bozo knows more about boats than you." It sounds to me like you were saying trawlers have no chainplates. If you thought they had chainplates you would not have made the above stupid statement. You're clearly confused and a loser. You're also an idiot. I've seen plenty of REAL trawlers that have a sizable mast for a riding sail to keep them from rolling the like the garbage scows they are. These masts are supported by stays and shrouds which are attached to chainplates. Just because you have a pretend trawler - really just another generic stinkpot - don't get your pink panties all in a wad! CN |
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