Edgar wrote:
That says it all! French yachtsmen, on entering a new anchorage, always
assume that the boat already there has gone in the best place, so they
anchor themselves as near to you as possible even if the rest of the bay is
empty.

I thought that was what Canadians did! One Sunday we entered "The
Basin," a beautiful inlet in Casco Bay, Maine. It was filled with about
30 boats on a rendezvous, so we anchored in a marginal space near the
entrance. Late that afternoon they all left, but we were well hooked
and decided to stay put. The next morning a Canadian came in and
anchored so close beside us there was only about 5 feet between the two
sides - we might as well have been rafted. It took about an hours of
listening to his life story, and everything he knew about our boat, his
boat, and the universe before he took our not so subtle hints that he'd
probably be happier about 400 yards away.


Although this is the worst such case, I've seen the same basic pattern
repeated many times.

Jeff Morris wrote:

Edgar wrote:

That says it all! French yachtsmen, on entering a new anchorage, always
assume that the boat already there has gone in the best place, so they
anchor themselves as near to you as possible even if the rest of the
bay is
empty.


I thought that was what Canadians did!

Shoot, I don't think any particular nationality has a lock on stupidity, bottom line is that the world has certain percentage of idiots and they seem
to be fairly evenly distributed.

Cheers
Marty

So what you're sayin' is you're not the friendly type that likes to chat?

He was probably hoping you'd leave so he could unload the bales of BC Bud!

CM

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
Edgar wrote:
That says it all! French yachtsmen, on entering a new anchorage, always
assume that the boat already there has gone in the best place, so they
anchor themselves as near to you as possible even if the rest of the bay
is
empty.

I thought that was what Canadians did! One Sunday we entered "The Basin,"
a beautiful inlet in Casco Bay, Maine. It was filled with about 30 boats
on a rendezvous, so we anchored in a marginal space near the entrance.
Late that afternoon they all left, but we were well hooked and decided to
stay put. The next morning a Canadian came in and anchored so close
beside us there was only about 5 feet between the two sides - we might as
well have been rafted. It took about an hours of listening to his life
story, and everything he knew about our boat, his boat, and the universe
before he took our not so subtle hints that he'd probably be happier about
400 yards away.


Although this is the worst such case, I've seen the same basic pattern
repeated many times.

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Scott Vernon wrote:

That was a good story Unky Moron, tell us another.

Indeed it was Scotty! I do believe that Mooron has been fibbing to us
about his occupation, he is in fact a fiction writer, he is usually
employed by Penthouse to write letters for the "Forum" section.

Pfft... go to Yellowknife and ask around. My rep there still stands.

Next week I entertain you with the story of how I repelled a boat load of
drunks with my handgun while out on the remote East Arm of Great Slave Lake.

CM

There was a study done at Princeton in the '80s that found the further
away from the equator, the dumber the Country.

SV


"Martin Baxter" wrote


I thought that was what Canadians did!

Shoot, I don't think any particular nationality has a lock on
stupidity, bottom line is that the world has certain percentage of
idiots and they seem
to be fairly evenly distributed.

Cheers
Marty

That was a good story Unky Moron, tell us another.

That wasn't a story. It was a dream.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Scott Vernon wrote:
There was a study done at Princeton in the '80s that found the further
away from the equator, the dumber the Country.


That's baloney. Just look at South Carolina!

DSK

"Martin Baxter" wrote in message
...
Scott Vernon wrote:

That was a good story Unky Moron, tell us another.

Indeed it was Scotty! I do believe that Mooron has been fibbing to us
about his occupation, he is in fact a fiction writer, he is usually
employed by Penthouse to write letters for the "Forum" section.

Cheers
Marty

Damn that Capt. Mooron...he writes for Forum and never sends me a carbon
copy? lol

LP (carry on, crazy guys)

"SAIL LOCO" wrote in message
...
That was a good story Unky Moron, tell us another.

That wasn't a story. It was a dream.

For you Loco... that's all it will ever be!

You're a Sad Sack!

CM

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Scott Vernon wrote:
There was a study done at Princeton in the '80s that found the
further
away from the equator, the dumber the Country.


That's baloney. Just look at South Carolina!


Compared to Canaduh?

"DSK" wrote in message
...
Scott Vernon wrote:
There was a study done at Princeton in the '80s that found the
further
away from the equator, the dumber the Country.


That's baloney. Just look at South Carolina!


Did they secede? again?

That's baloney. Just look at South Carolina!


Scott Vernon wrote:
Did they secede? again?


The Union had it's fingers crossed behind it's back when they readmitted SC

DSK

I recently learned that in-mast furling has dropped
dramatically in production boats over the last 10
years.

If you ever had one fail, then you know what a
headache that can be.

I predict we will see innovative new products for
in-boom sail storage in the near future.

"JG" wrote
Yes, I can see that boom furling might be better. It makes for a thick
boom though... well, either way I guess.

"DSK" wrote

"JG" wrote
I believe I saw a mono at their dock that did have one, but don't quote
me. I personally don't like them and wouldn't use them if there was a
chance of higher wind speeds. I don't like the in-boom systems either.
Seems like a lot to go wrong and no way to fix it quickly, unlike a jib
furler, for which you could drop halyard if necessary.


With the in-boom furlers, at least you can drop the sail if there's a
problem. With in-mast furlers, you have to hoist somebody up the mast to
cut the thing away. And yes, the spindles *do* bend & jam from time to
time. Guess when it tends to happen....


John Cairns wrote:
I still can't honestly say if I like them or not. I do believe they hurt
performance, but you have to admit they are the height of luxury.

No I don't. Full battens with a stack pack, lazyjacks, and a solid vang
are about 90% as easy to handle and have 'way 'way better performance in
every respect. I've sailed a couple of boats with in-mast furlers, two of
them long term.


... I'm guessing that TMM dropped theirs because owners started to bitch
about the expense. Saw this in San Sal, in mast furling AND electric
winches, positively decadent! Bristol 45.5

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...29752889EEUQzM


It's a pretty boat, too.

IMHO people that don't want to be bothered with all the "work" of sailing
should get a trawler.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

I'm not even sure what you could do if the furler failed in the unfurled
position. Do the manufacturer's even mention what to do?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
I recently learned that in-mast furling has dropped
dramatically in production boats over the last 10
years.

If you ever had one fail, then you know what a
headache that can be.

I predict we will see innovative new products for
in-boom sail storage in the near future.

"JG" wrote
Yes, I can see that boom furling might be better. It makes for a thick
boom though... well, either way I guess.

"DSK" wrote

"JG" wrote
I believe I saw a mono at their dock that did have one, but don't quote
me. I personally don't like them and wouldn't use them if there was a
chance of higher wind speeds. I don't like the in-boom systems either.
Seems like a lot to go wrong and no way to fix it quickly, unlike a jib
furler, for which you could drop halyard if necessary.


With the in-boom furlers, at least you can drop the sail if there's a
problem. With in-mast furlers, you have to hoist somebody up the mast to
cut the thing away. And yes, the spindles *do* bend & jam from time to
time. Guess when it tends to happen....


John Cairns wrote:
I still can't honestly say if I like them or not. I do believe they
hurt performance, but you have to admit they are the height of luxury.

No I don't. Full battens with a stack pack, lazyjacks, and a solid vang
are about 90% as easy to handle and have 'way 'way better performance in
every respect. I've sailed a couple of boats with in-mast furlers, two
of them long term.


... I'm guessing that TMM dropped theirs because owners started to
bitch about the expense. Saw this in San Sal, in mast furling AND
electric winches, positively decadent! Bristol 45.5

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...29752889EEUQzM


It's a pretty boat, too.

IMHO people that don't want to be bothered with all the "work" of
sailing should get a trawler.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

"JG" wrote in message
...
I'm not even sure what you could do if the furler failed in the unfurled
position. Do the manufacturer's even mention what to do?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com


Same thing as a roller furling headsail. Release the halyard, drop the sail.
I could see having objections due to performance issues, the rest sounds
somewhat bogus.

John Cairns

"Bart Senior" wrote in message
...
I recently learned that in-mast furling has dropped
dramatically in production boats over the last 10
years.

If you ever had one fail, then you know what a
headache that can be.

I predict we will see innovative new products for
in-boom sail storage in the near future.

"JG" wrote
Yes, I can see that boom furling might be better. It makes for a thick
boom though... well, either way I guess.

"DSK" wrote

"JG" wrote
I believe I saw a mono at their dock that did have one, but don't
quote me. I personally don't like them and wouldn't use them if there
was a chance of higher wind speeds. I don't like the in-boom systems
either. Seems like a lot to go wrong and no way to fix it quickly,
unlike a jib furler, for which you could drop halyard if necessary.


With the in-boom furlers, at least you can drop the sail if there's a
problem. With in-mast furlers, you have to hoist somebody up the mast
to cut the thing away. And yes, the spindles *do* bend & jam from time
to time. Guess when it tends to happen....


John Cairns wrote:
I still can't honestly say if I like them or not. I do believe they
hurt performance, but you have to admit they are the height of luxury.

No I don't. Full battens with a stack pack, lazyjacks, and a solid vang
are about 90% as easy to handle and have 'way 'way better performance
in every respect. I've sailed a couple of boats with in-mast furlers,
two of them long term.


... I'm guessing that TMM dropped theirs because owners started to
bitch about the expense. Saw this in San Sal, in mast furling AND
electric winches, positively decadent! Bristol 45.5

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...29752889EEUQzM


It's a pretty boat, too.

IMHO people that don't want to be bothered with all the "work" of
sailing should get a trawler.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

It happened to me. I tried to furl it and then unfurl it.

After about 30 tries it came free.

"JG" wrote

I'm not even sure what you could do if the furler failed in the unfurled
position. Do the manufacturer's even mention what to do?