Capt. Neal® wrote:

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
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Capt. Neal® wrote:

However, I'll give you a case where Rule 12 does not cover two
sailboats: Two sailboats A and B are on a beam reach. B is
directly behind A and overtaking. Both are on the same tack,
neither is windward or leeward or the other. Nothing in Rule 12
covers this situation. In fact, this is the simplest case of
where Rule 13 would supersede Rule 12. How could Neal be so stupid
as to not see it?



Wrong! By definition, the lead vessel is to weather of the following
vessel when both are on a beam reach. Don't you know ANYTHING
about sailing?

CN


Correction, I spoke in haste. By definition, the following vessel is
to weather of the lead vessel when both are on a beam reach.


So which is it Neal? You're making a real fool of yourself here! I
can see the smoke coming out of your ears, just like an overloaded
android on Star Trek!


This is because the apparent wind is all the vessels 'see' and
the sailing rules do not address apparent wind. They address
actual wind. Because two vessels on a beam reach are bringing
the wind forward, the wind as seen from a stationery observer
would be slightly aft of abeam. This means the following vessel
is the windward vessel and according to the sailing rules, this
vessel is the give-way vessel. Since he is already the give way
vessel Rule 13 is superfluous.



So you're saying that windward/leeward depends on the exact direction
of the wind? That must mean that there is a point exactly in the
middle neither is windward or leeward. Which applies then?


In this case, the lead vessel is to weather.

Why?

So you're claiming that in a beam reach situation, the vessel ahead is
to windward, and therefore must stay clear of the overtaking vessel
which is to leeward? In other words, a high speed planing boat or
catamaran is the standon vessel WRT to a slow moving banana boat? Just
how do you expect to get out of the way? BWAHAHAHA!!!

You need to read some
old-time, square-rigger novels like Horatio Hornblower where this
concept is well understood. Weather gage is the term to which I
refer

So now you're claiming you learned everything you know about sailing by
reading Hornblower? And we thought it was Sailing For Dummies.