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Kudos to the US Navy.

Cheers
Marty

Martin Baxter wrote:
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories...693&ran=145039

http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawac...d-1778a80e66dc



Kudos to the US Navy.


Agreed. It is an addition to their proud record.

I don't think they were stupid, but I think they should have done things
a bit differently. Hindsight is always 20/20. A predicted northerly blow
in the Gulf Stream is always rough; and they were too dependent on their
engine. I also disagree with the attitude expressed, "we have to get
back to land."

I wonder if the boat was being kept somewhere in the south, and they
travelled to it; this would mean maintenance issues. I saw some boats
headed south on the ICW this weekend, but not one named 'Jean Marie.'

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote:
Martin Baxter wrote:

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories...693&ran=145039

http://www.canada.com/ottawa/ottawac...d-1778a80e66dc



Kudos to the US Navy.


Agreed. It is an addition to their proud record.

I don't think they were stupid, but I think they should have done things
a bit differently. Hindsight is always 20/20. A predicted northerly blow
in the Gulf Stream is always rough; and they were too dependent on their
engine. I also disagree with the attitude expressed, "we have to get
back to land."

I don't agree with their attitude that boats leak, well I guess a poorly maintained one will, but why would you put to sea
in one? Now way would I sail into the Gulf Stream in January, in a boat that leaked so much that you had to have electric bilge pumps
to keep up with it!

Cheers
Marty

Martin Baxter wrote:
I don't agree with their attitude that boats leak, well I guess a poorly
maintained one will, but why would you put to sea
in one? Now way would I sail into the Gulf Stream in January, in a boat
that leaked so much that you had to have electric bilge pumps
to keep up with it!


The Gulf Stream in January is a mixed bag. Some days it's really nice.
OTOH it can turn stinky real fast. And I agree about leaks, with the
observation that more boats leak, and faster, than you'd believe if you
started dropping box-car loads of water on top of them every 15 seconds.

I think they made a couple of unwise choices, including turning back
towards Cape Hattaras with a building northerly wind. Couldn't they have
made for Charleston under sail?

The same kind of poor prioritization happens a LOT with trawler
cruisers. About 4 out of 5 are convinced that you should dump some kind
of miracle glop in the fuel so you never have to change your filters,
and they don't bother to change them... or carry enough spares... some
don't even know how. They look at me funny when I say I have 10 spare
fuel filters on board. And guess how many trawlers I've been aboard that
have a manual bilge pump... exactly *one*... ours!

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

You only carry 10 spare filter..? I like to have at least a case.
Nothing like being thrown into a hot engine in 20 foot seas while
changing out filters. I also installed a vaccume gauge in the fuel
lines so I know when to change them before they shut down the engine.
Plus I have a air purge system(tank) for bleeding any air off, it's
large enough to take care of all the air in the raycore housing. I have
a primary bilge pump that takes care or all 4 water tight compartments
thru hard piping and a manifold, and secondary atwell pumps in each
compartment. And 2 big ass Whale gusher MK-3 in the engine room and aft
compartment. If I go open ocean I would buy a new gas P350.

I have to disagree with your assumption that boats leak enough to cause
alarm due to heavy seas dumping on deck unless you have poorly designed
hatches and improper scuppards. Those canooks sould like half assed
weekend warriors who choked on what they bit off.

Joe

Bwahahahhahahah. I carry one spare filter cartridge for my
Honda 9.9. Have yet to change out the original. There used
to be a sticker on our old John Deere tractor. It said, "Buy
clean fuel. Keep it clean".

I buy clean fuel for my Honda and inspect it when I pour
it into the portable 3.5 gallon plastic tank. I keep it clean
via running it through the fuel filter. On the few occasions
where I use my Honda, it never fails to start. Of course,
I use sails when offshore unless there is almost no or no
wind then I motor sail. I don't use the motor like a trawler
like those stupid Canadians.

They are Mooron wannabes.

CN


"Joe" wrote in message ups.com...
You only carry 10 spare filter..? I like to have at least a case.
Nothing like being thrown into a hot engine in 20 foot seas while
changing out filters. I also installed a vaccume gauge in the fuel
lines so I know when to change them before they shut down the engine.
Plus I have a air purge system(tank) for bleeding any air off, it's
large enough to take care of all the air in the raycore housing. I have
a primary bilge pump that takes care or all 4 water tight compartments
thru hard piping and a manifold, and secondary atwell pumps in each
compartment. And 2 big ass Whale gusher MK-3 in the engine room and aft
compartment. If I go open ocean I would buy a new gas P350.

I have to disagree with your assumption that boats leak enough to cause
alarm due to heavy seas dumping on deck unless you have poorly designed
hatches and improper scuppards. Those canooks sould like half assed
weekend warriors who choked on what they bit off.

Joe

I once stood by a sailor, SE of Cape May. He was on his third attempt
(we later found out) to sail his boat with his girlfriend to the Med.
He ran into bad weather and his steering was becoming sloppy (supposedly).
I made the CG calls and got a copter heading for him (did not like the
odds of taking an 800+' ship alongside, especially with my freeboard).
Another sailboat, inbound from Europe offered to put one or two of it's
crew aboard to help sail the boat to Norfolk .... he refused.
He and his girlfriend ended up jumping into the water, endangering the
life of a rescue swimmer, for their rescue.
The boat was towed into port by a passing fisherman, a few days
later.....intact.
I'm always glad that on numerous occasions I've been able to rescue
and/or assist those in need, but I'm constantly ****ed at those who are
in over their heads, lacking in common sense, who endanger the lives of
others because they think they know what they're doing or "have a dream"
whereas in truth they haven't a clue and their dream sucks.


otn

DSK wrote:
And I agree about leaks, with the
observation that more boats leak, and faster, than you'd believe if you
started dropping box-car loads of water on top of them every 15 seconds.



Lots of boats have cockpit seat/hatches that are open to the engine
compartment. Of course, this is one of the issues that has to be dealt
with before going offshore.

I agree with other comments - why turn back into the weather?

Jeff Morris wrote:
Lots of boats have cockpit seat/hatches that are open to the engine
compartment. Of course, this is one of the issues that has to be dealt
with before going offshore.


Yes, very much. Also the issue of how water that is blocked off from
entering the main compartment is going to be removed!

In a lot of cases, limber holes in bulkeads & stringers get plugged up
over time with grime (another example of why cleanliness is important)
and this results in neither a watertight bulkhead nor a dry
compartment... and often th encapsulated wood structural member rots away.


I agree with other comments - why turn back into the weather?

Maybe lack of confidence?


Joe wrote:
You only carry 10 spare filter..? I like to have at least a case.

Isn't 12 a case? Anyway you have more stowage than I do. 10 filters (or
more properly, filter elements) is plenty.

Nothing like being thrown into a hot engine in 20 foot seas while
changing out filters.

No problem. I mounted our fuel filters in a twin mpunt accessible easily
through a door in the aft cabin. It isn't even necessary to go in the
engine room to change filters.

... I also installed a vaccume gauge in the fuel
lines so I know when to change them before they shut down the engine.

Yep. We also log the vacuum reading at various throttle settings.

Plus I have a air purge system(tank) for bleeding any air off, it's
large enough to take care of all the air in the raycore housing.

Never had this problem, our filter is below the level of the fuel in the
tanks... unless we're below 1/4 tank.


... I have
a primary bilge pump that takes care or all 4 water tight compartments
thru hard piping and a manifold, and secondary atwell pumps in each
compartment.

How accessible is the manifold if the bilge is flooded? Sounds to me
like too many pumps. A maintenance chore. I want a hi capacity back up
12V pump, but not more.


... And 2 big ass Whale gusher MK-3 in the engine room and aft
compartment. If I go open ocean I would buy a new gas P350.


Why?

I have to disagree with your assumption that boats leak enough to cause
alarm due to heavy seas dumping on deck unless you have poorly designed
hatches and improper scuppards.

You mis read my statement. I did not say "all boats." Just the
majority... mass-produced boats do have poorly designed hatches & ports,
and no scuppers at all.

... Those canooks sould like half assed
weekend warriors who choked on what they bit off.

I see you're still working hard at setting a good example of
compassionate conservatism in action. Here's a suggestion Joe... try to
not call people names quite so much. It just makes you look dumb.

DSK

"DSK" wrote

....... And guess how many trawlers I've been aboard that
have a manual bilge pump... exactly *one*... ours!

I dunno but one dude observed that that you gives you two choices - sink and
drown or pump til you have a heart attack then sink and drown. 'Course that
only applies to us old geezers ....