I didn't donate one red cent.
 

I didn't donate one red cent to the tsunami relief efforts.

I'm not going to donate one red cent to the tsunami relief efforts.

I'm proud of the fact that I'm not going to donate one red cent to the tsunami relief efforts.

What I saw on the videos is a bunch of stupid, fat, drunk tourists on the beach gawking as the waves
came in and engulfed them. "Wow, honey, look at the size of that wave. Hand me another beer, please."
Stupid is as stupid does.

CN

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
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I didn't donate one red cent to the tsunami relief efforts.

I'm not going to donate one red cent to the tsunami relief efforts.

I'm proud of the fact that I'm not going to donate one red cent to the
tsunami relief efforts.

What I saw on the videos is a bunch of stupid, fat, drunk tourists on the
beach gawking as the waves
came in and engulfed them. "Wow, honey, look at the size of that wave.
Hand me another beer, please."
Stupid is as stupid does.

CN


Which you've proven quite admirably in posting this dreck. Putz.

John Cairns

Neal is a prime example of what makes the US a great nation. NOT

I guess he doesn't even think his fearless leader is very smart (no argument
there).

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"John Cairns" wrote in message
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"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
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I didn't donate one red cent to the tsunami relief efforts.

I'm not going to donate one red cent to the tsunami relief efforts.

I'm proud of the fact that I'm not going to donate one red cent to the
tsunami relief efforts.

What I saw on the videos is a bunch of stupid, fat, drunk tourists on the
beach gawking as the waves
came in and engulfed them. "Wow, honey, look at the size of that wave.
Hand me another beer, please."
Stupid is as stupid does.

CN


Which you've proven quite admirably in posting this dreck. Putz.

John Cairns

I'm not donating one red cent either. I wish our Federal government refunded
the aid money to us taxpayers so each of us could decide its best use.
As with many charities, a good portion of the donations will go to enrich
the unjust. Almost all the countries hit by the tsunami are vile breeding
grounds of corruption. Thailand is a pedophile mecca, so why does Ganz want
to send money there? India is taking away our jobs so why can't they help
themselves? Why line the pockets of third world corrupt politcians?
If you want to give money or help, give it directly to the victims, not to
some middleman.

Amen!

Bob Crantz




"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
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I didn't donate one red cent to the tsunami relief efforts.

I'm not going to donate one red cent to the tsunami relief efforts.

I'm proud of the fact that I'm not going to donate one red cent to the
tsunami relief efforts.

What I saw on the videos is a bunch of stupid, fat, drunk tourists on the
beach gawking as the waves
came in and engulfed them. "Wow, honey, look at the size of that wave.
Hand me another beer, please."
Stupid is as stupid does.

CN

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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I'm not donating one red cent either. I wish our Federal government
refunded
the aid money to us taxpayers so each of us could decide its best
use.

According to Mooron, it was only 12 cents.



Where did the phrase ''red cent'' come from?



Scotty

A red cent was a Confederate coin. When the South lost the war a red cent was worth nothing.

CN


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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I'm not donating one red cent either. I wish our Federal government
refunded
the aid money to us taxpayers so each of us could decide its best
use.

According to Mooron, it was only 12 cents.



Where did the phrase ''red cent'' come from?



Scotty

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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I'm not donating one red cent either. I wish our Federal government
refunded
the aid money to us taxpayers so each of us could decide its best
use.

According to Mooron, it was only 12 cents.



Where did the phrase ''red cent'' come from?



Scotty



From the color of the original large penny.

http://www.letcoin.com/showpic.asp

Almost uncirculated examples have a reddish tone to them.

John Cairns

Don't listen to Cairns. He's an idiot.

http://www.coinfacts.com/confederate...ike_copper.htm


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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I'm not donating one red cent either. I wish our Federal government
refunded
the aid money to us taxpayers so each of us could decide its best
use.

According to Mooron, it was only 12 cents.



Where did the phrase ''red cent'' come from?



Scotty

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
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Don't listen to Cairns. He's an idiot.

http://www.coinfacts.com/confederate...ike_copper.htm


Did you even bother to read the link you posted, or did you just look at the
pretty picture?

"A red cent was a Confederate coin. When the South lost the war a red cent
was worth nothing."

CN

If you bother to read your own link, you'll notice that this particular coin
was minted over twenty years after the war ended.

http://www.pcgs.com/articles/article3187.chtml

"Yet oddly enough, the Confederate Government contacted the renowned
Philadelphia jewelers, Bailey & Co. about a contract coinage. The firm, well
connected with medalists and diesinkers, commissioned Robert Lovett Jr. for
the job. Lovett planned for something uniform with the United States
one-cent piece, weighing 4.67 grams and of the same size as the
copper-nickel Indian cent. He prepared a die which had his signature design,
a Liberty Head, on the obverse, surrounded by the words "Confederate States
of America 1861." The reverse bore the inscription "1 cent" surrounded by a
wreath of corn, cotton, maple, wheat and tobacco, and two barrels. At the
beginning of the wreath lay a cotton bale signed "L." Although Lovett
prepared dies for the one-cent pieces and struck twelve coins in
copper-nickel, he never handed over the samples to Confederate officials for
inspection. Fearing that the United States government might arrest him for
assisting the enemy, he dropped the project and buried the dies and coins in
his cellar. Even when the war was over, Lovett was reluctant to show them."

People collected coins in the 19th century, a confederate "red cent" would
have been worth much more than face value even in the 19th century.

John Cairns





"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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I'm not donating one red cent either. I wish our Federal government
refunded
the aid money to us taxpayers so each of us could decide its best
use.

According to Mooron, it was only 12 cents.



Where did the phrase ''red cent'' come from?



Scotty

I know, I know. But if you follow the links on that very page which
shows the re-strike you would note that the originals were made mostly
of red bronze - not copper. They were red.

Why do I always have to deal with idiots. Lord help me.

CN


"John Cairns" wrote in message om...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
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Don't listen to Cairns. He's an idiot.

http://www.coinfacts.com/confederate...ike_copper.htm


Did you even bother to read the link you posted, or did you just look at the
pretty picture?

"A red cent was a Confederate coin. When the South lost the war a red cent
was worth nothing."

CN

If you bother to read your own link, you'll notice that this particular coin
was minted over twenty years after the war ended.

http://www.pcgs.com/articles/article3187.chtml

"Yet oddly enough, the Confederate Government contacted the renowned
Philadelphia jewelers, Bailey & Co. about a contract coinage. The firm, well
connected with medalists and diesinkers, commissioned Robert Lovett Jr. for
the job. Lovett planned for something uniform with the United States
one-cent piece, weighing 4.67 grams and of the same size as the
copper-nickel Indian cent. He prepared a die which had his signature design,
a Liberty Head, on the obverse, surrounded by the words "Confederate States
of America 1861." The reverse bore the inscription "1 cent" surrounded by a
wreath of corn, cotton, maple, wheat and tobacco, and two barrels. At the
beginning of the wreath lay a cotton bale signed "L." Although Lovett
prepared dies for the one-cent pieces and struck twelve coins in
copper-nickel, he never handed over the samples to Confederate officials for
inspection. Fearing that the United States government might arrest him for
assisting the enemy, he dropped the project and buried the dies and coins in
his cellar. Even when the war was over, Lovett was reluctant to show them."

People collected coins in the 19th century, a confederate "red cent" would
have been worth much more than face value even in the 19th century.

John Cairns





"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
I'm not donating one red cent either. I wish our Federal government
refunded
the aid money to us taxpayers so each of us could decide its best
use.

According to Mooron, it was only 12 cents.



Where did the phrase ''red cent'' come from?



Scotty

According to both of you, you're about as un-American as you can be.

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
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I'm not donating one red cent either. I wish our Federal government
refunded
the aid money to us taxpayers so each of us could decide its best
use.

According to Mooron, it was only 12 cents.



Where did the phrase ''red cent'' come from?



Scotty

Neal is an idiot.

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"John Cairns" wrote in message
om...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
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Don't listen to Cairns. He's an idiot.

http://www.coinfacts.com/confederate...ike_copper.htm


Did you even bother to read the link you posted, or did you just look at
the pretty picture?

"A red cent was a Confederate coin. When the South lost the war a red cent
was worth nothing."

CN

If you bother to read your own link, you'll notice that this particular
coin was minted over twenty years after the war ended.

http://www.pcgs.com/articles/article3187.chtml

"Yet oddly enough, the Confederate Government contacted the renowned
Philadelphia jewelers, Bailey & Co. about a contract coinage. The firm,
well connected with medalists and diesinkers, commissioned Robert Lovett
Jr. for the job. Lovett planned for something uniform with the United
States one-cent piece, weighing 4.67 grams and of the same size as the
copper-nickel Indian cent. He prepared a die which had his signature
design, a Liberty Head, on the obverse, surrounded by the words
"Confederate States of America 1861." The reverse bore the inscription "1
cent" surrounded by a wreath of corn, cotton, maple, wheat and tobacco,
and two barrels. At the beginning of the wreath lay a cotton bale signed
"L." Although Lovett prepared dies for the one-cent pieces and struck
twelve coins in copper-nickel, he never handed over the samples to
Confederate officials for inspection. Fearing that the United States
government might arrest him for assisting the enemy, he dropped the
project and buried the dies and coins in his cellar. Even when the war was
over, Lovett was reluctant to show them."

People collected coins in the 19th century, a confederate "red cent" would
have been worth much more than face value even in the 19th century.

John Cairns





"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
I'm not donating one red cent either. I wish our Federal government
refunded
the aid money to us taxpayers so each of us could decide its best
use.

According to Mooron, it was only 12 cents.



Where did the phrase ''red cent'' come from?



Scotty

Public Monies and Private Supplications,
Not Yours to Give
by U.S. Congressman Colonel Davey Crockett

[First published in "The Life of Colonel David Crockett", by Edward S.
Ellis, 1884. It also appeared in the Richmond Times Dispatch. It was
reprinted in The Washington Times National Weekly Edition, February 6-12,
1995, page 33. The original 1884 copyright has expired and the article is in
the public domain.]

One day in the House of Representatives, a bill was taken up appropriating
money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several
beautiful speeches had been made in its support. The Speaker was just about
to put the question when Davey Crockett arose:

"Mr. Speaker, I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as
much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be, as
any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or
our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to
the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that
Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every
member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give
away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of
Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money.
Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt
due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of
the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I have never heard
that the government was in arrears to him."

"Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot, without the
grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We
have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as a charity. Mr.
Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as
we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill,
but I will give one week's pay to the object, and, if every member of
Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks."

Crockett took his seat. Nobody replied. The bill was put upon its passage,
and, instead of passing unanimously, as was generally supposed, and as, no
doubt, it would, but for that speech, it received but few votes, and of
course, was lost.

Later, when asked by a friend why he had opposed the appropriation, Crockett
gave this explanation:

"Several years ago, I was one evening standing on the steps of the Capitol
with some other members of Congress, when our attention was attracted by a
great light over in Georgetown. It was evidently a large fire. We jumped
into a hack and drove over as fast as we could.

"In spite of all that could be done, many houses were burned and many
families made homeless, and, besides, some of them had lost all but the
clothes they had on. The weather was very cold, and when I saw so many women
and children suffering, I felt that something ought to be done for them.

"The next morning a bill was introduced appropriating $20,000 for their
relief. We put aside all other business and rushed it through as soon as it
could be done.

"The next summer, when it began to be a time to think about the election, I
concluded that I would take a scout around among the boys of my district. I
had no opposition there, but, as the election was some time off, I did not
know what might turn up."

A stranger's curt greeting

"When riding one day in a part of my district in which I was more of a
stranger than any other, I saw a man in a field plowing and coming toward
the road. I gauged my gait so that we should meet as he came to the fence.
As he came up, I spoke to the man. He replied politely, but, as I thought,
rather coldly.

"I began: 'Well, friend, I am one of those unfortunate beings called
candidates, and ... '

"'Yes, I know you; you are Colonel Crockett, I have seen you once before,
and voted for you the last time you were elected. I suppose you are out
electioneering now, but you had better not waste your time or mine. I shall
not vote for you again.'

"This was a sockdolager... I begged him to tell me what was the matter."

"'Well, Colonel, it is hardly worthwhile to waste time or words upon it. I
do not see how it can be mended, but you gave a vote last winter which shows
that either you have no capacity to understand the Constitution, or that you
are wanting in the honesty and firmness to be guided by it.

"'In either case you are not the man to represent me. But I beg your pardon
for expressing it in that way. I did not intend to avail myself of the
privilege of the constituent to speak plainly to a candidate for the purpose
of insulting or wounding you.

"I intend by it only to say that your understanding of the Constitution is
different from mine; and I will say to you what, but for my rudeness, I
should not have said, that I believe you to be honest . . . but an
understanding of the Constitution different from mine I cannot overlook,
because the Constitution, to be worth having, must be held sacred, and
rigidly observed in all its provisions. The man who wields power and
misinterprets it is the more dangerous the more honest he is.'"

"I admit the truth of all you say, but there must be some mistake about it,
for I do not remember that I gave any vote last winter upon any
constitutional question."

Crockett's vote on bill recalled

"'No, Colonel, there's no mistake. Though I live here in the backwoods and
seldom go from home, I take the papers from Washington and read very
carefully all the proceedings of Congress. My papers say that last winter
you voted for a bill to appropriate $20,000 to some sufferers by a fire in
Georgetown. Is that true?"

"Well, my friend, I may as well own up. You have got me there. But certainly
no one will complain that a great and rich country should not give the
insignificant sum of $20,000 to relieve its suffering women, particularly
with a full and overflowing treasury, and am sure, if you had been there you
would have done just as I did."

"'It is not the amount, Colonel, that I complain of it is the principle. In
the first place, the government ought to have in the treasury no more than
enough for its legitimate purposes. But that has nothing to do with the
question. The power of collecting and disbursing money at pleasure is the
most dangerous power that can be entrusted to man, particularly under our
system of collecting revenue by tariff, which reaches every man in the
country, no matter how poor he may be, and the poorer he is, the more he
pays in proportion to his means.

"'What is worse, it presses upon him without his knowledge where the weight
centers, for there is not a man in the United States who can ever guess how
much he pays to the government. So you see that while you are contributing
to relieve one, you are drawing it from thousands who are even worse off
than he.

"'If you had the right to give him anything, the amount was simply a matter
of discretion with you, and you had as much right to give $20 million as
$20,000. If you have the right to give to one, you have the right to give to
all; and, as the Constitution neither defines nor stipulates the amount, you
are at-liberty to give to any and everything which you may believe, or
profess to believe, is a charity, and to any amount you may think proper.'"

Wide door to robbing people

"'You will very easily perceive what a wide door this would open for fraud
and corruption and favoritism, on the one hand, and for robbing the people,
on the other. No, Colonel. Congress has no right to give charity. Individual
members may give as much of their own money as they please, but they have no
right to touch a dollar of the public money for that purpose.

"'If twice as many houses had been burned in this district as in Georgetown,
neither you nor any other member of Congress would have thought of
appropriating a dollar for our relief. There are about 240 members of
Congress.

"'If they had shown their sympathy for the sufferers by contributing each
one week's pay, it would have made over $13,000. There are plenty of wealthy
men in and around Washington who could have given $20,000 without depriving
themselves of even a luxury of life. The congressmen chose to keep their own
money, which, if reports be true, some of them spend not very creditably.
And the people about Washington, no doubt, applauded you for relieving them
from the necessity of giving by giving what was not yours to give.

"'The people have delegated to Congress, by the Constitution, the power to
do certain things. To do these, it is authorized to collect and pay moneys,
and for nothing else. Everything beyond this is usurpation, and a violation
of the Constitution.

"'So you see, Colonel, you have violated the Constitution in what I consider
a vital point. It is a precedent fraught with danger to the country, for
when Congress once begins to stretch its power beyond the limits~of the
Constitution there is no limit to it, and no security for the people. I have
no doubt you acted honestly, but that does not make it any better, except as
far as you are personally concerned, and you see that I cannot vote for you.

Critic could persuade others

"I tell you I felt streaked. I saw if I should have opposition, and this man
should go to talking, he would set others to talking, and in that district I
was a gone fawn-skin. I could not answer him, and the fact is, I was so
fully convinced that he was right, I did not want to. But I must satisfy
him, and I said to him:

"'Well, my friend, you hit the nail upon the head when you said I had not
sense enough to understand the Constitution. I intended to be guided by it,
and thought I had studied it fully. I have heard many speeches in Congress
about the powers of Congress, but what you have said here at your plow has
got more hard, sound sense in it than all the fine speeches I ever heard.

"'If I had ever taken the view of it that you have, I would have put my head
into the fire before I would have given that vote; and if you will forgive
me and vote for me again, if I ever vote for another unconstitutional law I
wish I may be shot.'"

"He laughingly replied: 'Yes, Colonel, you have sworn to that once before,
but I will trust you again upon one condition. You say that you are
convinced that your vote was wrong. Your acknowledgment of it will do more
good than beating you for it. If, as you go around the district, you will
tell people about this vote, and that you are satisfied it was wrong, I will
not only vote for you, but will do what I can to keep down opposition, and,
perhaps, I may exert some little influence in that way.'"

"'If I don't,' said I, 'I wish I may be shot; and to convince you that I am
in earnest in what I say, I will come back this way in a week or 10 days,
and if you will get up a gathering of people, I will make a speech to them.
Get up a barbeque and I will pay for it.'"

"'No, Colonel, we are not rich people in this section, but we have plenty of
provisions to contribute for a barbeque, and some to spare for those who
have none. The push of crops will be over in a few days, and we can then
afford a day for a barbeque. This is Thursday; I will see to getting it up
on Saturday. Come to my house on Friday, and we will go together, and I
promise you a very respectable crowd to see and hear you.'"

"Well, I will be here. But one thing more before I say goodbye. I must know
your name."

"'My name is Bunce.'"

"Not Horatio Bunce?"

"'Yes."'

""Well, Mr. Bunce. I never saw you before, though you say you have seen me,
but I know you very well. I am glad I have met you, and very proud that I
may hope to have you for my friend.

"It is one of the luckiest hits of my life that I met him. He mingled but
little with the public but was widely known for his remarkable intelligence
and incorruptible integrity, and for a heart brimful and running over with
kindness and benevolence, which showed themselves not only in words but in
acts."

His fame extended far and wide

"He was the oracle of the whole country around him, and his fame had
extended far beyond the circle of his immediate acquaintance. Though I had
never met him before, I had heard much of him, and but for this meeting it
is very likely I should have had opposition, and been beaten. One thing is
very certain, no man could now stand up in that district under such a vote.

"At the appointed time I was at his house, having told our conversation to
every crowd I had met, and to every man I stayed all night with, and I found
that it gave the people an interest and a confidence in me stronger than I
had ever seen manifested before.

"Though I was considerably fatigued when I reached his house, and, under
ordinary circumstances, should have gone early to bed, I kept him up until
midnight talking about the principles and affairs of government, and got
more real, true knowledge of them than I had got all my life before.

"I have known and seen much of him since, for I respect him no, that is not
the word - I reverence and love him more than any living man, and I go to
see him two or three times every year; and I will tell you, sir, if everyone
who professes to be a Christian lived and acted and enjoyed it as he does,
the religion of Christ would take the world by storm.

"But to return to my story. The next morning we went to the barbeque, and,
to my surprise, found about a thousand men there. I met a good many whom I
had not known before, and they and my friend introduced me around until I
had got pretty well acquainted - at least, they all knew me.

"In due time notice was given that I would speak to them. They gathered up
around a stand that had been erected. I opened my speech by saying:

"'Fellow citizens - I present myself before you today feeling like a new
man. My eyes have lately been opened to truths which ignorance or prejudice,
or both, had heretofore hidden from my view. I feel that I can today offer
you the ability to render you more valuable service than I have ever been
able to render before.

"'I am here today more for the purpose of acknowledging my error than to
seek your votes. That I should make this acknowledgment is due to myself as
well as to you. Whether you will vote for me is a matter for your
consideration only.'"

"I went on to tell them about the fire and my vote for the appropriation and
then told them why I was satisfied it was wrong. I closed by saying:

"And now, fellow citizens, it remains only for me to tell you that most of
the speech you have listened to with so much interest was simply a
repetition of the arguments by which your neighbor, Mr. Bunce, convinced me
of my error.

It is the best speech I ever made in my life, but he is entitled to the
credit for it. And now I hope he is satisfied with his convert and that he
will get up here and tell you so.'"

He came upon the stand and said:

"Fellow-citizens -- It affords me great pleasure to comply with the request
of Colonel Crockett. I have always considered him a thoroughly honest man,
and I am satisfied that he will faithfully perform all that he has promised
you today."

He went down, and there went up from that crowd such a shout for Davy
Crockett as his name never called forth before.

"I am not much given to tears, but I was taken with a choking then and felt
some big drops rolling down my cheeks. And I tell you now that the
remembrance of those few words spoken by such a man, and the honest, hearty
shout they produced, is worth more to me than all the reputation I have ever
made, or ever shall make, as a member of Congress."

"Now, sir," concluded Crockett, "you know why I made that speech yesterday.

"There is one thing now to which I will call your attention. You remember
that I proposed to give a week's pay. There are in that House many very
wealthy men -- men who think nothing of spending a week's pay, or a dozen of
them, for a dinner or a wine party when they have something to accomplish by
it. Some of those same men made beautiful speeches upon the great debt of
gratitude which the country owed the deceased -- a debt which could not be
paid by money -- and the insignificance and worthlessness of money,
particularly so insignificant a sum as $10,000, when weighed against the
honor of the nation. Yet not one of them responded to my proposition. Money
with them is nothing but trash when it is to come out of the people. But it
is the one great thing for which most of them are striving, and many of them
sacrifice honor, integrity, and justice to obtain it."

So far downhill has this great country come that liberals now feel
they have the duty to spend other people's hard earned money and
to criticize those who don't spend it up to their expectations.

Good post.

CN

"Many of you are well enough off that...the tax cuts may have helped
you. We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably
going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things
away from you on behalf of the common good." -- Hillary Clinton


"Bob Crantz" wrote in message nk.net...
Public Monies and Private Supplications,
Not Yours to Give
by U.S. Congressman Colonel Davey Crockett

[First published in "The Life of Colonel David Crockett", by Edward S.
Ellis, 1884. It also appeared in the Richmond Times Dispatch. It was
reprinted in The Washington Times National Weekly Edition, February 6-12,
1995, page 33. The original 1884 copyright has expired and the article is in
the public domain.]

One day in the House of Representatives, a bill was taken up appropriating
money for the benefit of a widow of a distinguished naval officer. Several
beautiful speeches had been made in its support. The Speaker was just about
to put the question when Davey Crockett arose:

"Mr. Speaker, I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as
much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be, as
any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or
our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to
the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that
Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every
member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give
away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of
Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money.
Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt
due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of
the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I have never heard
that the government was in arrears to him."

"Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot, without the
grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We
have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as a charity. Mr.
Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much money of our own as
we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill,
but I will give one week's pay to the object, and, if every member of
Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks."

Crockett took his seat. Nobody replied. The bill was put upon its passage,
and, instead of passing unanimously, as was generally supposed, and as, no
doubt, it would, but for that speech, it received but few votes, and of
course, was lost.

Later, when asked by a friend why he had opposed the appropriation, Crockett
gave this explanation:

"Several years ago, I was one evening standing on the steps of the Capitol
with some other members of Congress, when our attention was attracted by a
great light over in Georgetown. It was evidently a large fire. We jumped
into a hack and drove over as fast as we could.

"In spite of all that could be done, many houses were burned and many
families made homeless, and, besides, some of them had lost all but the
clothes they had on. The weather was very cold, and when I saw so many women
and children suffering, I felt that something ought to be done for them.

"The next morning a bill was introduced appropriating $20,000 for their
relief. We put aside all other business and rushed it through as soon as it
could be done.

"The next summer, when it began to be a time to think about the election, I
concluded that I would take a scout around among the boys of my district. I
had no opposition there, but, as the election was some time off, I did not
know what might turn up."

A stranger's curt greeting

"When riding one day in a part of my district in which I was more of a
stranger than any other, I saw a man in a field plowing and coming toward
the road. I gauged my gait so that we should meet as he came to the fence.
As he came up, I spoke to the man. He replied politely, but, as I thought,
rather coldly.

"I began: 'Well, friend, I am one of those unfortunate beings called
candidates, and ... '

"'Yes, I know you; you are Colonel Crockett, I have seen you once before,
and voted for you the last time you were elected. I suppose you are out
electioneering now, but you had better not waste your time or mine. I shall
not vote for you again.'

"This was a sockdolager... I begged him to tell me what was the matter."

"'Well, Colonel, it is hardly worthwhile to waste time or words upon it. I
do not see how it can be mended, but you gave a vote last winter which shows
that either you have no capacity to understand the Constitution, or that you
are wanting in the honesty and firmness to be guided by it.

"'In either case you are not the man to represent me. But I beg your pardon
for expressing it in that way. I did not intend to avail myself of the
privilege of the constituent to speak plainly to a candidate for the purpose
of insulting or wounding you.

"I intend by it only to say that your understanding of the Constitution is
different from mine; and I will say to you what, but for my rudeness, I
should not have said, that I believe you to be honest . . . but an
understanding of the Constitution different from mine I cannot overlook,
because the Constitution, to be worth having, must be held sacred, and
rigidly observed in all its provisions. The man who wields power and
misinterprets it is the more dangerous the more honest he is.'"

"I admit the truth of all you say, but there must be some mistake about it,
for I do not remember that I gave any vote last winter upon any
constitutional question."

Crockett's vote on bill recalled

"'No, Colonel, there's no mistake. Though I live here in the backwoods and
seldom go from home, I take the papers from Washington and read very
carefully all the proceedings of Congress. My papers say that last winter
you voted for a bill to appropriate $20,000 to some sufferers by a fire in
Georgetown. Is that true?"

"Well, my friend, I may as well own up. You have got me there. But certainly
no one will complain that a great and rich country should not give the
insignificant sum of $20,000 to relieve its suffering women, particularly
with a full and overflowing treasury, and am sure, if you had been there you
would have done just as I did."

"'It is not the amount, Colonel, that I complain of it is the principle. In
the first place, the government ought to have in the treasury no more than
enough for its legitimate purposes. But that has nothing to do with the
question. The power of collecting and disbursing money at pleasure is the
most dangerous power that can be entrusted to man, particularly under our
system of collecting revenue by tariff, which reaches every man in the
country, no matter how poor he may be, and the poorer he is, the more he
pays in proportion to his means.

"'What is worse, it presses upon him without his knowledge where the weight
centers, for there is not a man in the United States who can ever guess how
much he pays to the government. So you see that while you are contributing
to relieve one, you are drawing it from thousands who are even worse off
than he.

"'If you had the right to give him anything, the amount was simply a matter
of discretion with you, and you had as much right to give $20 million as
$20,000. If you have the right to give to one, you have the right to give to
all; and, as the Constitution neither defines nor stipulates the amount, you
are at-liberty to give to any and everything which you may believe, or
profess to believe, is a charity, and to any amount you may think proper.'"

Wide door to robbing people

"'You will very easily perceive what a wide door this would open for fraud
and corruption and favoritism, on the one hand, and for robbing the people,
on the other. No, Colonel. Congress has no right to give charity. Individual
members may give as much of their own money as they please, but they have no
right to touch a dollar of the public money for that purpose.

"'If twice as many houses had been burned in this district as in Georgetown,
neither you nor any other member of Congress would have thought of
appropriating a dollar for our relief. There are about 240 members of
Congress.

"'If they had shown their sympathy for the sufferers by contributing each
one week's pay, it would have made over $13,000. There are plenty of wealthy
men in and around Washington who could have given $20,000 without depriving
themselves of even a luxury of life. The congressmen chose to keep their own
money, which, if reports be true, some of them spend not very creditably.
And the people about Washington, no doubt, applauded you for relieving them
from the necessity of giving by giving what was not yours to give.

"'The people have delegated to Congress, by the Constitution, the power to
do certain things. To do these, it is authorized to collect and pay moneys,
and for nothing else. Everything beyond this is usurpation, and a violation
of the Constitution.

"'So you see, Colonel, you have violated the Constitution in what I consider
a vital point. It is a precedent fraught with danger to the country, for
when Congress once begins to stretch its power beyond the limits~of the
Constitution there is no limit to it, and no security for the people. I have
no doubt you acted honestly, but that does not make it any better, except as
far as you are personally concerned, and you see that I cannot vote for you.

Critic could persuade others

"I tell you I felt streaked. I saw if I should have opposition, and this man
should go to talking, he would set others to talking, and in that district I
was a gone fawn-skin. I could not answer him, and the fact is, I was so
fully convinced that he was right, I did not want to. But I must satisfy
him, and I said to him:

"'Well, my friend, you hit the nail upon the head when you said I had not
sense enough to understand the Constitution. I intended to be guided by it,
and thought I had studied it fully. I have heard many speeches in Congress
about the powers of Congress, but what you have said here at your plow has
got more hard, sound sense in it than all the fine speeches I ever heard.

"'If I had ever taken the view of it that you have, I would have put my head
into the fire before I would have given that vote; and if you will forgive
me and vote for me again, if I ever vote for another unconstitutional law I
wish I may be shot.'"

"He laughingly replied: 'Yes, Colonel, you have sworn to that once before,
but I will trust you again upon one condition. You say that you are
convinced that your vote was wrong. Your acknowledgment of it will do more
good than beating you for it. If, as you go around the district, you will
tell people about this vote, and that you are satisfied it was wrong, I will
not only vote for you, but will do what I can to keep down opposition, and,
perhaps, I may exert some little influence in that way.'"

"'If I don't,' said I, 'I wish I may be shot; and to convince you that I am
in earnest in what I say, I will come back this way in a week or 10 days,
and if you will get up a gathering of people, I will make a speech to them.
Get up a barbeque and I will pay for it.'"

"'No, Colonel, we are not rich people in this section, but we have plenty of
provisions to contribute for a barbeque, and some to spare for those who
have none. The push of crops will be over in a few days, and we can then
afford a day for a barbeque. This is Thursday; I will see to getting it up
on Saturday. Come to my house on Friday, and we will go together, and I
promise you a very respectable crowd to see and hear you.'"

"Well, I will be here. But one thing more before I say goodbye. I must know
your name."

"'My name is Bunce.'"

"Not Horatio Bunce?"

"'Yes."'

""Well, Mr. Bunce. I never saw you before, though you say you have seen me,
but I know you very well. I am glad I have met you, and very proud that I
may hope to have you for my friend.

"It is one of the luckiest hits of my life that I met him. He mingled but
little with the public but was widely known for his remarkable intelligence
and incorruptible integrity, and for a heart brimful and running over with
kindness and benevolence, which showed themselves not only in words but in
acts."

His fame extended far and wide

"He was the oracle of the whole country around him, and his fame had
extended far beyond the circle of his immediate acquaintance. Though I had
never met him before, I had heard much of him, and but for this meeting it
is very likely I should have had opposition, and been beaten. One thing is
very certain, no man could now stand up in that district under such a vote.

"At the appointed time I was at his house, having told our conversation to
every crowd I had met, and to every man I stayed all night with, and I found
that it gave the people an interest and a confidence in me stronger than I
had ever seen manifested before.

"Though I was considerably fatigued when I reached his house, and, under
ordinary circumstances, should have gone early to bed, I kept him up until
midnight talking about the principles and affairs of government, and got
more real, true knowledge of them than I had got all my life before.

"I have known and seen much of him since, for I respect him no, that is not
the word - I reverence and love him more than any living man, and I go to
see him two or three times every year; and I will tell you, sir, if everyone
who professes to be a Christian lived and acted and enjoyed it as he does,
the religion of Christ would take the world by storm.

"But to return to my story. The next morning we went to the barbeque, and,
to my surprise, found about a thousand men there. I met a good many whom I
had not known before, and they and my friend introduced me around until I
had got pretty well acquainted - at least, they all knew me.

"In due time notice was given that I would speak to them. They gathered up
around a stand that had been erected. I opened my speech by saying:

"'Fellow citizens - I present myself before you today feeling like a new
man. My eyes have lately been opened to truths which ignorance or prejudice,
or both, had heretofore hidden from my view. I feel that I can today offer
you the ability to render you more valuable service than I have ever been
able to render before.

"'I am here today more for the purpose of acknowledging my error than to
seek your votes. That I should make this acknowledgment is due to myself as
well as to you. Whether you will vote for me is a matter for your
consideration only.'"

"I went on to tell them about the fire and my vote for the appropriation and
then told them why I was satisfied it was wrong. I closed by saying:

"And now, fellow citizens, it remains only for me to tell you that most of
the speech you have listened to with so much interest was simply a
repetition of the arguments by which your neighbor, Mr. Bunce, convinced me
of my error.

It is the best speech I ever made in my life, but he is entitled to the
credit for it. And now I hope he is satisfied with his convert and that he
will get up here and tell you so.'"

He came upon the stand and said:

"Fellow-citizens -- It affords me great pleasure to comply with the request
of Colonel Crockett. I have always considered him a thoroughly honest man,
and I am satisfied that he will faithfully perform all that he has promised
you today."

He went down, and there went up from that crowd such a shout for Davy
Crockett as his name never called forth before.

"I am not much given to tears, but I was taken with a choking then and felt
some big drops rolling down my cheeks. And I tell you now that the
remembrance of those few words spoken by such a man, and the honest, hearty
shout they produced, is worth more to me than all the reputation I have ever
made, or ever shall make, as a member of Congress."

"Now, sir," concluded Crockett, "you know why I made that speech yesterday.

"There is one thing now to which I will call your attention. You remember
that I proposed to give a week's pay. There are in that House many very
wealthy men -- men who think nothing of spending a week's pay, or a dozen of
them, for a dinner or a wine party when they have something to accomplish by
it. Some of those same men made beautiful speeches upon the great debt of
gratitude which the country owed the deceased -- a debt which could not be
paid by money -- and the insignificance and worthlessness of money,
particularly so insignificant a sum as $10,000, when weighed against the
honor of the nation. Yet not one of them responded to my proposition. Money
with them is nothing but trash when it is to come out of the people. But it
is the one great thing for which most of them are striving, and many of them
sacrifice honor, integrity, and justice to obtain it."

Bob Crantz wrote:
[First published in "The Life of Colonel David Crockett", by Edward S.
Ellis, 1884....
"...... our
system of collecting revenue by tariff, which reaches every man in the
country, no matter how poor he may be, and the poorer he is, the more he
pays in proportion to his means."

Thank you.

That is an excellent & succint condemnation of the flat tax principle.

I guess that makes Davy Crockett a dangerous liberal subversive traitor, eh?

DSK

What this jerk says is exactly the sort of thing that makes the rest of the
world get a bad impression the Americans, I am pretty sure most people here
have a kind heart to help the poor people who have been effected by this
disaster.


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
I didn't donate one red cent to the tsunami relief efforts.

I'm not going to donate one red cent to the tsunami relief efforts.

I'm proud of the fact that I'm not going to donate one red cent to the
tsunami relief efforts.

What I saw on the videos is a bunch of stupid, fat, drunk tourists on the
beach gawking as the waves
came in and engulfed them. "Wow, honey, look at the size of that wave.
Hand me another beer, please."
Stupid is as stupid does.

CN

You're an idiot. Learn how to post properly.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
nk.net...
Public Monies and Private Supplications,
bs deleted

Read it again idiot.

Davy said it is the people of the USA that should and do help.

Tax money is not a personal blank check for congress to pass out and
use at it's will. It is to be used only for the interest of all that
pay it, not special interest of a selected favored fews personal
projects.

You are a BIGMAC.

He was Davy Crockett.

Capt. American

Capt. Neal® wrote in message
...

Second, it was not a disaster. It was a natural siesmic event.

Neal, it is possible for a natural seismic event also to be a disaster

Capt.American wrote:
Tax money is not a personal blank check for congress to pass out and
use at it's will. It is to be used only for the interest of all that
pay it, not special interest of a selected favored fews personal
projects.

So, now you are against giving no-bid guaranteed-profit contracts to
Halliburton with your tax money?

DSK

I like your perspective. You are a true thinker Doug.

You may not burn in hell!

Amen!

BC

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Bob Crantz wrote:
[First published in "The Life of Colonel David Crockett", by Edward S.
Ellis, 1884....
"...... our
system of collecting revenue by tariff, which reaches every man in the
country, no matter how poor he may be, and the poorer he is, the more he
pays in proportion to his means."

Thank you.

That is an excellent & succint condemnation of the flat tax principle.

I guess that makes Davy Crockett a dangerous liberal subversive traitor,
eh?

DSK

"Edgar" wrote in message ...

Capt. Neal® wrote in message
...

Second, it was not a disaster. It was a natural siesmic event.

Neal, it is possible for a natural seismic event also to be a disaster



di•sas•ter \di-"zas-t€r, -"sas-\ n [MF desastre, fr. It disastro, fr. astro star, fr. L astrum] : a sudden or great misfortune —
di•sas•trous \-"zas-tr€s\ adj — di•sas•trous•ly adv

A sudden and great misfortune. Hmmmm, let's find the definition of misfortune . . .

mis•for•tune \mis-"fÕr-ch€n\ n 1 : bad luck 2 : an unfortunate condition or event

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary © 1994 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

OK now that we understand the words, allow me to explain why an earthquake and tsunami
cannot be rightly called a disaster.

1) By definition a disaster is a sudden and great misfortune.

2) A misfortune is defined as bad luck and an unfortunate condition or evet.

Earthquakes happen all the time. They are in no way sudden nor are they bad luck
because they are as much a part of living on Earth as the very air we breathe.

Tidal waves are a little less common than earthquakes but they, nonetheless are
a natural event and not bad luck.

I hope this helps.

CN

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
It just so happens
I am right now helping with MYTAX DOLLARS

I find it difficult to believe that you pay any taxes at all. You have no
financial outgoings apart from food, and a few bottles of beer.


Furthermore, it is clear from the photos of your fine vessel(home) that you
have a parsimonious nature. So why would you need to work? I would have
thought that you could exist quite happily on welfare benefits.

All the evidence suggests that you are a typical, left wing, liberal. You
are boasting about the money that real workers have earned. You are
attempting to benefit from the sweat of genuine hard working Americans.

You don't pay any taxes, so please stop pretending that you *give* anything
at all. Like all socialists, you are a leech on society. You are probably
worried that there won't be enough left for you if Bush donates too much to
the tsunami victims.



Regards


Donal
--

You couldn't be more wrong, Donal.

I have paid federal income taxes almost my entire adult life (28%). I have paid FICA as well to the
tune of 13% of my earnings. I pay a 7.5 percent sales tax on everything I but in Florida except
for groceries. I pay a registration fee for my boat which is just another tax. I pay sin taxes on
the alcohol I drink and on the cigars I smoke. I pay taxes on the fuel I buy and I pay taxes
on the roads I use. The small sum I have managed to sock away for retirement even has the
paltry interest it makes taxed.

I'm doing way way more than the term 'fair share' implies. More than half the money I make is
taken away from me and used to stuff a bunch of other peoples pockets. It's wrong, wrong
wrong. And now you bunch of pimple-faced liberals are demanding I give what little money
remains to away to a bunch of losers on the other side of the world. Where were those loser
when I was broke and needed a handout. Did they give a crap about my plight? Hell no.

So I worked and scratched and scraped the whole time being robbed of over half of
the fruits of my labor but I managed to get to a place where I can be comfortable and
drink all the damned beer I choose to drink. No a bunch of give-my-money-away liberals
want to try to make feel guilty because I haven't given away every last cent.

We need these natural cataclysmic events to do away with all the slackers. Have you ever
stopped to consider why Earth changes seem to impact the poor the most? Duh! It's
because the poor far outnumber the affluent. They breed like rats and live like rats.

To Hell with them all! God said to be fruitful and multiply. They have the multiply
down pat but they don't understand the concept of being fruitful.

Take that and chew on it for a while.

CN




"Donal" wrote in message ...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
It just so happens
I am right now helping with MYTAX DOLLARS

I find it difficult to believe that you pay any taxes at all. You have no
financial outgoings apart from food, and a few bottles of beer.


Furthermore, it is clear from the photos of your fine vessel(home) that you
have a parsimonious nature. So why would you need to work? I would have
thought that you could exist quite happily on welfare benefits.

All the evidence suggests that you are a typical, left wing, liberal. You
are boasting about the money that real workers have earned. You are
attempting to benefit from the sweat of genuine hard working Americans.

You don't pay any taxes, so please stop pretending that you *give* anything
at all. Like all socialists, you are a leech on society. You are probably
worried that there won't be enough left for you if Bush donates too much to
the tsunami victims.



Regards


Donal
--

He posts here...he's already in hell....

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
nk.net...
I like your perspective. You are a true thinker Doug.

You may not burn in hell!

Amen!

BC

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Bob Crantz wrote:
[First published in "The Life of Colonel David Crockett", by Edward S.
Ellis, 1884....
"...... our
system of collecting revenue by tariff, which reaches every man in the
country, no matter how poor he may be, and the poorer he is, the more
he
pays in proportion to his means."

Thank you.

That is an excellent & succint condemnation of the flat tax principle.

I guess that makes Davy Crockett a dangerous liberal subversive traitor,
eh?

DSK

You are a NAZI



"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
You couldn't be more wrong, Donal.

I have paid federal income taxes almost my entire adult life (28%). I have
paid FICA as well to the
tune of 13% of my earnings. I pay a 7.5 percent sales tax on everything I
but in Florida except
for groceries. I pay a registration fee for my boat which is just another
tax. I pay sin taxes on
the alcohol I drink and on the cigars I smoke. I pay taxes on the fuel I
buy and I pay taxes
on the roads I use. The small sum I have managed to sock away for
retirement even has the
paltry interest it makes taxed.

I'm doing way way more than the term 'fair share' implies. More than half
the money I make is
taken away from me and used to stuff a bunch of other peoples pockets.
It's wrong, wrong
wrong. And now you bunch of pimple-faced liberals are demanding I give
what little money
remains to away to a bunch of losers on the other side of the world. Where
were those loser
when I was broke and needed a handout. Did they give a crap about my
plight? Hell no.

So I worked and scratched and scraped the whole time being robbed of over
half of
the fruits of my labor but I managed to get to a place where I can be
comfortable and
drink all the damned beer I choose to drink. No a bunch of
give-my-money-away liberals
want to try to make feel guilty because I haven't given away every last
cent.

We need these natural cataclysmic events to do away with all the slackers.
Have you ever
stopped to consider why Earth changes seem to impact the poor the most?
Duh! It's
because the poor far outnumber the affluent. They breed like rats and live
like rats.

To Hell with them all! God said to be fruitful and multiply. They have the
multiply
down pat but they don't understand the concept of being fruitful.

Take that and chew on it for a while.

CN




"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
It just so happens
I am right now helping with MYTAX DOLLARS

I find it difficult to believe that you pay any taxes at all. You have
no
financial outgoings apart from food, and a few bottles of beer.


Furthermore, it is clear from the photos of your fine vessel(home) that
you
have a parsimonious nature. So why would you need to work? I would
have
thought that you could exist quite happily on welfare benefits.

All the evidence suggests that you are a typical, left wing, liberal.
You
are boasting about the money that real workers have earned. You are
attempting to benefit from the sweat of genuine hard working Americans.

You don't pay any taxes, so please stop pretending that you *give*
anything
at all. Like all socialists, you are a leech on society. You are
probably
worried that there won't be enough left for you if Bush donates too much
to
the tsunami victims.



Regards


Donal
--

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
You couldn't be more wrong, Donal.

I have paid federal income taxes almost my entire adult life (28%).

.... but not any more??



I have paid FICA as well to the
tune of 13% of my earnings. I pay a 7.5 percent sales tax on everything I
but in Florida except
for groceries. I pay a registration fee for my boat which is just another
tax. I pay sin taxes on
the alcohol I drink and on the cigars I smoke. I pay taxes on the fuel I
buy and I pay taxes
on the roads I use. The small sum I have managed to sock away for
retirement even has the
paltry interest it makes taxed.

So, if income tax was raised, then there would be less pressure to raise sin
and sales taxes. Wouldn't this be of benefit to you?



I'm doing way way more than the term 'fair share' implies. More than half
the money I make is
taken away from me and used to stuff a bunch of other peoples pockets.
It's wrong, wrong
wrong. And now you bunch of pimple-faced liberals are demanding I give
what little money
remains to away to a bunch of losers on the other side of the world. Where
were those loser
when I was broke and needed a handout.

Why were you broke? A true conservative should be prepared for misfortune.
It sounds like you were unprepared for your unlucky streak.

Did they give a crap about my plight? Hell no.


This is a typical liberal "whinge". A real sailor takes charge of his own
destiny. A real conservative takes responsibility for his own destiny - and
needs no pity from anybody.



Regards


Donal
--

The small sum I have managed to sock away for retirement even has the
paltry interest it makes taxed.

You truly are dumb.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"Trains are a winter sport"

Crapton,

Charity is an individual thing and I don't feel anyone has the right to
question that right.. It is a private matter. BUT Neal, a private
matter doesn't mean you have to defend that right. Keep it to yourself.
IOW shut the hell up.
Ole Thom

On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 17:47:55 GMT, "katysails"
wrote this crap:

He has to die first....let's see now, when is Jack Kevorkian due to be
released?


After he's dead.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

It was not a tidal wave!!


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"Edgar" wrote in message
...

Capt. Neal® wrote in message
...

Second, it was not a disaster. It was a natural siesmic event.

Neal, it is possible for a natural seismic event also to be a disaster



di•sas•ter \di-"zas-t€r, -"sas-\ n [MF desastre, fr. It disastro, fr.
astro star, fr. L astrum] : a sudden or great misfortune —
di•sas•trous \-"zas-tr€s\ adj — di•sas•trous•ly adv

A sudden and great misfortune. Hmmmm, let's find the definition of
misfortune . . .

mis•for•tune \mis-"fÕr-ch€n\ n 1 : bad luck 2 : an unfortunate condition
or event

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary © 1994 by
Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

OK now that we understand the words, allow me to explain why an earthquake
and tsunami
cannot be rightly called a disaster.

1) By definition a disaster is a sudden and great misfortune.

2) A misfortune is defined as bad luck and an unfortunate condition or
evet.

Earthquakes happen all the time. They are in no way sudden nor are they
bad luck
because they are as much a part of living on Earth as the very air we
breathe.

Tidal waves are a little less common than earthquakes but they,
nonetheless are
a natural event and not bad luck.

I hope this helps.

CN

ABC news did a report 2 nights ago on all the scammers preying on fools and
their money.
John Steinbeck was right, if you want to help, you have to be where the
problem is.
Scout

"Bob Crantz" wrote in message
ink.net...
I'm not donating one red cent either. I wish our Federal government
refunded
the aid money to us taxpayers so each of us could decide its best use.
As with many charities, a good portion of the donations will go to enrich
the unjust. Almost all the countries hit by the tsunami are vile breeding
grounds of corruption. Thailand is a pedophile mecca, so why does Ganz
want
to send money there? India is taking away our jobs so why can't they help
themselves? Why line the pockets of third world corrupt politcians?
If you want to give money or help, give it directly to the victims, not to
some middleman.

Amen!

Bob Crantz




"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
I didn't donate one red cent to the tsunami relief efforts.

I'm not going to donate one red cent to the tsunami relief efforts.

I'm proud of the fact that I'm not going to donate one red cent to the
tsunami relief efforts.

What I saw on the videos is a bunch of stupid, fat, drunk tourists on the
beach gawking as the waves
came in and engulfed them. "Wow, honey, look at the size of that wave.
Hand me another beer, please."
Stupid is as stupid does.

CN

Neal,
Your description of misfortune is worth about as much as you donation;
Webster dictionary, new edition:-
misfortune, n. ill-fortune, calamity; an evil accident

You better get yourself a better dictionary. One that doesn't confuse
you, (G)

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message ...
Crapton,

Charity is an individual thing and I don't feel anyone has the right to
question that right.. It is a private matter. BUT Neal, a private
matter doesn't mean you have to defend that right. Keep it to yourself.
IOW shut the hell up.
Ole Thom


You must have a very good system there with your
webTV. Instead of telling me to stfu why not just
turn down the volume?

CN

It was a tidal wave.

tid•al wave \"tïd-€l-\ n 1 : an unusually high sea wave that sometimes follows an earthquake 2 : an unusual rise of water alongshore
due to strong winds

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary © 1994 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated


"BIGMAC" wrote in message ...
It was not a tidal wave!!


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

"Edgar" wrote in message
...

Capt. Neal® wrote in message
...

Second, it was not a disaster. It was a natural siesmic event.

Neal, it is possible for a natural seismic event also to be a disaster



di•sas•ter \di-"zas-t€r, -"sas-\ n [MF desastre, fr. It disastro, fr.
astro star, fr. L astrum] : a sudden or great misfortune —
di•sas•trous \-"zas-tr€s\ adj — di•sas•trous•ly adv

A sudden and great misfortune. Hmmmm, let's find the definition of
misfortune . . .

mis•for•tune \mis-"fÕr-ch€n\ n 1 : bad luck 2 : an unfortunate condition
or event

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary © 1994 by
Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

OK now that we understand the words, allow me to explain why an earthquake
and tsunami
cannot be rightly called a disaster.

1) By definition a disaster is a sudden and great misfortune.

2) A misfortune is defined as bad luck and an unfortunate condition or
evet.

Earthquakes happen all the time. They are in no way sudden nor are they
bad luck
because they are as much a part of living on Earth as the very air we
breathe.

Tidal waves are a little less common than earthquakes but they,
nonetheless are
a natural event and not bad luck.

I hope this helps.

CN

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
news:4jjEd.47654$F25.38534@okepread07...

It was a tidal wave.

tid•al wave \"tïd-€l-\ n 1 : an unusually high sea wave that sometimes
follows an earthquake 2 : an unusual rise of water alongshore
due to strong winds

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary © 1994 by
Merriam-Webster, Incorporated



"Tidal wave" is sometimes incorrectly used to describe a tsunami, which has
absolutely nothing to do with tides.

http://www.tulane.edu/~sanelson/geol204/tsunami.htm

Eisboch

In article ,
Eisboch wrote:

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
news:4jjEd.47654$F25.38534@okepread07...

It was a tidal wave.

tid•al wave \"tïd-€l-\ n 1 : an unusually high sea wave that sometimes
follows an earthquake 2 : an unusual rise of water alongshore
due to strong winds

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary © 1994 by
Merriam-Webster, Incorporated



"Tidal wave" is sometimes incorrectly used to describe a tsunami, which has
absolutely nothing to do with tides.

http://www.tulane.edu/~sanelson/geol204/tsunami.htm

That's similar to Neal being described as a sailor, when in fact, he
just an idiot.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message ...
In article ,
Eisboch wrote:

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
news:4jjEd.47654$F25.38534@okepread07...

It was a tidal wave.

tid•al wave \"tïd-€l-\ n 1 : an unusually high sea wave that sometimes
follows an earthquake 2 : an unusual rise of water alongshore
due to strong winds

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary © 1994 by
Merriam-Webster, Incorporated



"Tidal wave" is sometimes incorrectly used to describe a tsunami, which has
absolutely nothing to do with tides.

http://www.tulane.edu/~sanelson/geol204/tsunami.htm

That's similar to Neal being described as a sailor, when in fact, he
just an idiot.



That's similar to Gaynz being described as straight, when in fact, he
is just gay.

CN

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
news:4jjEd.47654$F25.38534@okepread07...
It was a tidal wave.

No, it wasn't.

tid•al wave \"tïd-€l-\ n 1 : an unusually high sea wave that sometimes
follows an earthquake 2 : an unusual rise of water alongshore
due to strong winds

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary © 1994 by
Merriam-Webster, Incorporated


Chambers says that the use of "tidal wave" to describe is common, but
improper. You should get yourself a proper dictionary.



Regards


Donal
--

Donal wrote:
"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
news:4jjEd.47654$F25.38534@okepread07...

It was a tidal wave.


No, it wasn't.

tid•al wave \"tïd-€l-\ n 1 : an unusually high sea wave that sometimes

follows an earthquake 2 : an unusual rise of water alongshore

due to strong winds

© 1995 Zane Publishing, Inc. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary © 1994 by

Merriam-Webster, Incorporated


Chambers says that the use of "tidal wave" to describe is common, but
improper. You should get yourself a proper dictionary.


That's odd, the online Chambers says:

tidal wave noun 1 non-technical a popular name for a tsunami. 2 loosely
an unusually large ocean wave.

Bowditch uses similar language, though in "Oceanography and Seamanship"
Van Dorn goes so far as to call the phrase the "more-common misnomer."

Misnomer or not, it is the common usage and thus it is pedantry to complain.