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I'd like to hear opinions regarding supposed adverse health effects of a
close proximity to high tension wires. I'm looking at a nice piece of land on the side of a mountain, about 200 feet from the lines. I'm inclined to think a cell phone is more dangerous. I know we have a few here who are knowledgeable in the field (no pun intended). Scout |
Oh goody! A stray voltage theory thread! Want me to tell you the grizzly
stories I know! "Scout" wrote in message ... I'd like to hear opinions regarding supposed adverse health effects of a close proximity to high tension wires. I'm looking at a nice piece of land on the side of a mountain, about 200 feet from the lines. I'm inclined to think a cell phone is more dangerous. I know we have a few here who are knowledgeable in the field (no pun intended). Scout |
fire away!
Scout "katysails" wrote in message ... Oh goody! A stray voltage theory thread! Want me to tell you the grizzly stories I know! "Scout" wrote in message ... I'd like to hear opinions regarding supposed adverse health effects of a close proximity to high tension wires. I'm looking at a nice piece of land on the side of a mountain, about 200 feet from the lines. I'm inclined to think a cell phone is more dangerous. I know we have a few here who are knowledgeable in the field (no pun intended). Scout |
There's this guy not too far away from us that had a small pony farm where
the high tensiles run down his property. He couldn't keep the ponies shod...they would throw their shows within a week of having them put on...and it was a reputable blacksmith who had no problems anywhere else. Also, padlocks rusted through and he couldn't keep anything locked up. His ponies started to lose weight and he had the vet come out to do an analysis of the food. The local Humane Society investigated him and found that he was buying more than adequate grain for the number of animals he had and watched his feeding regimen. Ponies kept starving. They ran all kinds of tests. Nothing. Eventually, he removed the ponies to a rented pasture away from the tensile wires and they all began to gain back their weight. This guy was not a crackpot. He became seriously sick himself over the whole thing and eventually sold the property since he couldn't use it for what he had intended. "Scout" wrote in message ... fire away! Scout "katysails" wrote in message ... Oh goody! A stray voltage theory thread! Want me to tell you the grizzly stories I know! "Scout" wrote in message ... I'd like to hear opinions regarding supposed adverse health effects of a close proximity to high tension wires. I'm looking at a nice piece of land on the side of a mountain, about 200 feet from the lines. I'm inclined to think a cell phone is more dangerous. I know we have a few here who are knowledgeable in the field (no pun intended). Scout |
Do they make noise? Some do. That would be annoying, to me.
-- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ "Scout" wrote in message ... I'd like to hear opinions regarding supposed adverse health effects of a close proximity to high tension wires. I'm looking at a nice piece of land on the side of a mountain, about 200 feet from the lines. I'm inclined to think a cell phone is more dangerous. I know we have a few here who are knowledgeable in the field (no pun intended). Scout |
"Scout" wrote in message ... I'd like to hear opinions regarding supposed adverse health effects of a close proximity to high tension wires. Depends how high your mast is. SV |
Jax lives next to some power lines. Nough said?
SV "Scout" wrote in message ... fire away! Scout "katysails" wrote in message ... Oh goody! A stray voltage theory thread! Want me to tell you the grizzly stories I know! "Scout" wrote in message ... I'd like to hear opinions regarding supposed adverse health effects of a close proximity to high tension wires. I'm looking at a nice piece of land on the side of a mountain, about 200 feet from the lines. I'm inclined to think a cell phone is more dangerous. I know we have a few here who are knowledgeable in the field (no pun intended). Scout |
Scout wrote: Regardless of the health factors many other things come into play. I owned a house almost a block from HPL's When its humid they pop & crackle, they look like ****. Unless your going to put in a garbage dump, or storage units ect... Keep Looking! Joe I'd like to hear opinions regarding supposed adverse health effects of a close proximity to high tension wires. I'm looking at a nice piece of land on the side of a mountain, about 200 feet from the lines. I'm inclined to think a cell phone is more dangerous. I know we have a few here who are knowledgeable in the field (no pun intended). Scout |
Scout,
The Jury is still out on the actual proof but if you are worried about it, why chance it? The power companies usually run there lines in corridors of unused land. Mostly because it is the cheapest available. That is one of the reasons for the land around it to be available for a reasonable price. I like your idea of the testing. I really don't know exactly what you should be testing for? Not sure if anyone knows? Good luck to you. Either way. Your decision. If you're worried about it now, it certainly not going to get better. If the power companies have the right of way there is nothing to stop them from running additional lines. Ole Thom |
Thanks Thom, that's good advice. I hadn't thought about them expanding the
lines. Scout "Thom Stewart" wrote in message ... Scout, The Jury is still out on the actual proof but if you are worried about it, why chance it? The power companies usually run there lines in corridors of unused land. Mostly because it is the cheapest available. That is one of the reasons for the land around it to be available for a reasonable price. I like your idea of the testing. I really don't know exactly what you should be testing for? Not sure if anyone knows? Good luck to you. Either way. Your decision. If you're worried about it now, it certainly not going to get better. If the power companies have the right of way there is nothing to stop them from running additional lines. Ole Thom |
Scout wrote:
I'd like to hear opinions regarding supposed adverse health effects of a close proximity to high tension wires. I'm looking at a nice piece of land on the side of a mountain, about 200 feet from the lines. I'm inclined to think a cell phone is more dangerous. I know we have a few here who are knowledgeable in the field (no pun intended). Scout The jury is still out on the health effects with excellent arguments on both sides. There are other concerns that are more easily proven. Cell phones lose sync (if they can actually sync at all). Radio interference. TV interference, slightly reduced if you have cable. Noise from the transmission lines (hum and/or crackling). Etc. |
Scott Vernon wrote:
Jax lives next to some power lines. Nough said? By inference, BB (both of them) must also... SV "Scout" wrote in message ... fire away! Scout "katysails" wrote in message ... Oh goody! A stray voltage theory thread! Want me to tell you the grizzly stories I know! "Scout" wrote in message ... I'd like to hear opinions regarding supposed adverse health effects of a close proximity to high tension wires. I'm looking at a nice piece of land on the side of a mountain, about 200 feet from the lines. I'm inclined to think a cell phone is more dangerous. I know we have a few here who are knowledgeable in the field (no pun intended). Scout |
On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:57:35 GMT, "katysails"
wrote this crap: There's this guy not too far away from us that had a small pony farm where the high tensiles run down his property. He couldn't keep the ponies shod...they would throw their shows within a week of having them put What bull****. I know plenty of people living near high voltage lines, (including me.) There's no harmful effects. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:43:26 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap: Do they make noise? Some do. That would be annoying, to me. There's a slight buzzing that you have to listen real hard to hear. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill effects on
people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their study was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More investigation is, of course, warranted. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Scout" wrote in message ... I'd like to hear opinions regarding supposed adverse health effects of a close proximity to high tension wires. I'm looking at a nice piece of land on the side of a mountain, about 200 feet from the lines. I'm inclined to think a cell phone is more dangerous. I know we have a few here who are knowledgeable in the field (no pun intended). Scout |
The danger is from Electromagnetic Radiation.. the subject and the danger to humans is well documented. -- Longing to be closer to to the sun, the wind and the sea! Spiritually at: Latitude 21 degrees 19' 9" North. _!_ Longtitude 157 degrees 56' 31" West. Aloha! ___o_(_)_o___ q |
"Horvath" wrote in message ... On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:57:35 GMT, "katysails" wrote this crap: There's this guy not too far away from us that had a small pony farm where the high tensiles run down his property. He couldn't keep the ponies shod...they would throw their shows within a week of having them put What bull****. I know plenty of people living near high voltage lines, (including me.) There's no harmful effects. Ha haha ha ha that's funny, Holly! |
"Horvath" wrote in message ... On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:43:26 -0500, "Scott Vernon" wrote this crap: Do they make noise? Some do. That would be annoying, to me. There's a slight buzzing that you have to listen real hard to hear. That's not the power lines. |
Horvath wrote:
On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:57:35 GMT, "katysails" wrote this crap: There's this guy not too far away from us that had a small pony farm where the high tensiles run down his property. He couldn't keep the ponies shod...they would throw their shows within a week of having them put What bull****. I know plenty of people living near high voltage lines, (including me.) There's no harmful effects. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahaha Proof positive of the harmful effects. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
Scott Vernon wrote:
"Horvath" wrote in message ... On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:57:35 GMT, "katysails" wrote this crap: There's this guy not too far away from us that had a small pony farm where the high tensiles run down his property. He couldn't keep the ponies shod...they would throw their shows within a week of having them put What bull****. I know plenty of people living near high voltage lines, (including me.) There's no harmful effects. Ha haha ha ha that's funny, Holly! Sorry, Scotty, ya beet me to it. |
Holy Cripes Horass,
I thought your Estate & Manson was of enough size as not to worry about Power Lines? Are you lying from before or lying now? (grinning) Ole Thom |
John W. Bienko wrote:
The danger is from Electromagnetic Radiation.. the subject and the danger to humans is well documented. At first glance this is a no-brainer - of course the problem is EM radiation. What else? Falling towers? However, some reports are claiming the real culprit is static electricity. This could explain why there is so little evidence that low frequency EM is dangerous. |
Nuff said on that point...
"Horvath" wrote in message ... On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:57:35 GMT, "katysails" wrote this crap: There's this guy not too far away from us that had a small pony farm where the high tensiles run down his property. He couldn't keep the ponies shod...they would throw their shows within a week of having them put What bull****. I know plenty of people living near high voltage lines, (including me.) There's no harmful effects. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
Jeff,
I think the static theory ties in with the theory that the lines cause a concentration of radon in homes near the lines. The way I read it the house becomes like a grid in a giant electronic air cleaner. Don't think this was verified though. Scout "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... John W. Bienko wrote: The danger is from Electromagnetic Radiation.. the subject and the danger to humans is well documented. At first glance this is a no-brainer - of course the problem is EM radiation. What else? Falling towers? However, some reports are claiming the real culprit is static electricity. This could explain why there is so little evidence that low frequency EM is dangerous. |
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On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 16:19:17 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap: look on the bright side, you could throw an extension cord over them and have free power for your house. If you don't knock out the power grid. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
There's no power lines within half a mile of my home. (At least for now.)
CN "Horvath" scribbled Everybody lives near power lines. There's some going down most streets. |
"JG" wrote in message
... I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill effects on people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their study was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More investigation is, of course, warranted. Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people wear for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when produced by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow? Scout |
Living near the end of the line isn't that good. At bends and the end of the
line the fringing fields (electric) are greater. There's also current induced in the ground from the line. The crackling noise you hear is electrical arcing which produces ozone. There's also current pulses from lightning discharges on the line and there's the magnetic field. The biological effects are many. At 60 Hz you have the alpha dispersion dielectric of mammalian tissue. Your body has a dielectric constant of 6,000 to 30,000 at 60 Hz. That means your body easily polarizes to the 60 Hz field and the electric field is increases in the body by the dielectric constant, ie 6,000 - 30,000 times. The polarization is caused by large molecules in the body moving to align with the applied electric field, much the way magnets polarize with each other. Your bones are piezoelectric, squeeze them and they generate electricity. Apply an electric field and they will actually change length. If you receive an electric field pulse during the refractory period of the cardiac cycle your heart will stop. People are frequently killed by lightning strikes that never hit them, the induced current from the nearby strike stop the heart. An intense 60 Hz electric field can slow, stop or even reverse chemical wave propagation in the body. Your heart and nerves work on chemical waves. That means it can change nerve conduction, intracellular and extracellular potentials. As far as verfiable real effects, people prone to siezures are very susceptible in small magnetic and electric fields. Cardiac problems are also verifiable, as are nerve problems. Other effects are probably long term and are things such as stress, headaches, malaise, etc. I also know of cases of people getting shocked from swing sets, bicycle handle bars and lawn mower handles under powerlines. I bet a garden hose would be fun, or think of being in a swimming pool full of chlorine ions. If you move under the power line at speeds greater than 10 mph you can induce tens of thousands of volts into yourself , car, bicycle, etc. Read the CRC "Handbook of Biological Effects of Electromagnetic Fields" by Polk and Postow for the physics and tissue measurements. I can find plenty of other references too. Hell is full of powerlines! Amen! Bob Crantz "Scout" wrote in message ... I'd like to hear opinions regarding supposed adverse health effects of a close proximity to high tension wires. I'm looking at a nice piece of land on the side of a mountain, about 200 feet from the lines. I'm inclined to think a cell phone is more dangerous. I know we have a few here who are knowledgeable in the field (no pun intended). Scout |
A permanent magnet does have current flow.
"Scout" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill effects on people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their study was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More investigation is, of course, warranted. Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people wear for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when produced by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow? Scout |
long term effects:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract "Scout" wrote in message ... I'd like to hear opinions regarding supposed adverse health effects of a close proximity to high tension wires. I'm looking at a nice piece of land on the side of a mountain, about 200 feet from the lines. I'm inclined to think a cell phone is more dangerous. I know we have a few here who are knowledgeable in the field (no pun intended). Scout |
Industry exposure standards:
http://www.vitatech.net/pub6.html Amen! BC "Scout" wrote in message ... I'd like to hear opinions regarding supposed adverse health effects of a close proximity to high tension wires. I'm looking at a nice piece of land on the side of a mountain, about 200 feet from the lines. I'm inclined to think a cell phone is more dangerous. I know we have a few here who are knowledgeable in the field (no pun intended). Scout |
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:38:02 -0500, Capt. Neal®
wrote this crap: There's no power lines within half a mile of my home. (At least for now.) Then how do you get the power for your computer? CN "Horvath" scribbled Everybody lives near power lines. There's some going down most streets. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
He steals batteries from K-Mart...
"Horvath" wrote in message ... On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:38:02 -0500, Capt. Neal® wrote this crap: There's no power lines within half a mile of my home. (At least for now.) Then how do you get the power for your computer? CN "Horvath" scribbled Everybody lives near power lines. There's some going down most streets. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
No kidding? (And here I thought I loved him...)
LP "katysails" wrote: He steals batteries from K-Mart... "Horvath" wrote: On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:38:02 -0500, Capt. Neal® wrote this crap: There's no power lines within half a mile of my home. (At least for now.) Then how do you get the power for your computer? CN "Horvath" scribbled Everybody lives near power lines. There's some going down most streets. Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now! |
I thought the flux had to cross a conductor for current to flow.
"Bob Crantz" wrote in message link.net... A permanent magnet does have current flow. "Scout" wrote in message ... "JG" wrote in message ... I believe the Swedes did a study that showed there were know ill effects on people, but I would pass on it if it were overhead. I believe their study was directly overhead. 200 feet probably wouldn't be an issue. More investigation is, of course, warranted. Makes one wonder about the magic magnetic bracelets and bands people wear for pain management. Why would magnetic flux be a miracle cure when produced by a permanent magnet but not when produced by current flow? Scout |
Good stuff - Thanks Bob Crantz!
Scout "Bob Crantz" wrote in message link.net... Living near the end of the line isn't that good. At bends and the end of the line the fringing fields (electric) are greater. There's also current induced in the ground from the line. The crackling noise you hear is electrical arcing which produces ozone. There's also current pulses from lightning discharges on the line and there's the magnetic field. The biological effects are many. At 60 Hz you have the alpha dispersion dielectric of mammalian tissue. Your body has a dielectric constant of 6,000 to 30,000 at 60 Hz. That means your body easily polarizes to the 60 Hz field and the electric field is increases in the body by the dielectric constant, ie 6,000 - 30,000 times. The polarization is caused by large molecules in the body moving to align with the applied electric field, much the way magnets polarize with each other. Your bones are piezoelectric, squeeze them and they generate electricity. Apply an electric field and they will actually change length. If you receive an electric field pulse during the refractory period of the cardiac cycle your heart will stop. People are frequently killed by lightning strikes that never hit them, the induced current from the nearby strike stop the heart. An intense 60 Hz electric field can slow, stop or even reverse chemical wave propagation in the body. Your heart and nerves work on chemical waves. That means it can change nerve conduction, intracellular and extracellular potentials. As far as verfiable real effects, people prone to siezures are very susceptible in small magnetic and electric fields. Cardiac problems are also verifiable, as are nerve problems. Other effects are probably long term and are things such as stress, headaches, malaise, etc. I also know of cases of people getting shocked from swing sets, bicycle handle bars and lawn mower handles under powerlines. I bet a garden hose would be fun, or think of being in a swimming pool full of chlorine ions. If you move under the power line at speeds greater than 10 mph you can induce tens of thousands of volts into yourself , car, bicycle, etc. Read the CRC "Handbook of Biological Effects of Electromagnetic Fields" by Polk and Postow for the physics and tissue measurements. I can find plenty of other references too. Hell is full of powerlines! Amen! Bob Crantz "Scout" wrote in message ... I'd like to hear opinions regarding supposed adverse health effects of a close proximity to high tension wires. I'm looking at a nice piece of land on the side of a mountain, about 200 feet from the lines. I'm inclined to think a cell phone is more dangerous. I know we have a few here who are knowledgeable in the field (no pun intended). Scout |
Lady Pilot wrote:
Then how do you get the power for your computer? He steals batteries from K-Mart... No kidding? (And here I thought I loved him...) Your love powers his computer? -- Wally www.artbywally.com www.wally.myby.co.uk |
"Wally" wrote: Lady Pilot wrote: Then how do you get the power for your computer? He steals batteries from K-Mart... No kidding? (And here I thought I loved him...) Your love powers his computer? Hehee. Probably so, I'm such a great power source...TONAL LP |
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