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Capt. Neal® January 3rd 05 05:59 PM


wrote

I'm sick... sick... sick...



Capt. Neal® January 3rd 05 06:16 PM


wrote
I'm a dick... dick... dick...


I agree!

CN


JG January 3rd 05 06:44 PM

You mean this?

http://www.newkerala.com/news-daily/...lnews&id=51570

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"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
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"JG" wrote ;

So, what you're saying is that we shouldn't even try. That's what Scotti
Potti and Joe said.


It seems to me that they might be wise beyond their years!

Tell me again why Sri Lanka refused millions of dollars worth of help
immediately after the disaster? Couldn't be because they are Muslims
serving a god that no Christian has ever heard of?

LP




JG January 3rd 05 06:49 PM

And why do I care what you do?

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"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
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"JG" wrote:
You're a sick little boy. Are you and Neal Warren in the pedophile
business together?


If you don't stop with the pedophile nonsense, you will go right back into
my bozo bin.

I'm a patient lady, but you are being credulous!

LP




JG January 3rd 05 06:51 PM

You're quoting facts that are not accurate. Since you haven't bothered to
actually do the research, it seems to me that you don't care about the
facts. Now who does this remind me of....

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"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
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"JG" wrote:
We have an obligation as the lone superpower to go above and beyond what
is expected.


Why? After they turned down Israel the same day the tragedy happened?

We will be hated by some no matter what we do, but we have a moral
obligation to do all we can to help the less fortunate.


Bwaahwhahahwahaaa! Do you really think those people want us to help?

How many loops do we need to jump through just the help the poor innocent
people there? Their government doesn't want any help, they want to make
the news...

LP




Edgar January 3rd 05 06:53 PM


Lady Pilot wrote in message
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"Edgar" wrote:

Scotty and Joe should be ashamed of their posts. The plight of this

poor
woman, and thousands of others, bears no relation whatever to that of
people


What an igornorant post! When they refuse help minutes after the

disaster,
what can one do?

LP


'Minutes after the disaster', they had no idea of the scale of the disaster,
nor did the rest of the world.
As for being ignorant I suspect, subject to correction from any of you,
that I am the only person posting here that has spent a considerable amount
of time in Sri Lanka, not as a tourist, but working, first when I was in the
Royal Navy based at Trincomalee on the east coast and years later as a
businessman working in Colombo in connection with the railways. And, by the
way, your assumption that Sri Lanka is a Muslim country is incorrect.
Certainly there are Muslims there as there are in most countries but a very
high proportion of the population have other religions, including a lot of
Christians.
Moreover, I do not agree with those who started this thread by suggesting
that the USA is dragging its feet on aid. I believe the USA is doing what
has to be done as fast or even faster than the aid can be handled at the
receiving end, which means 'fast enough'.


Edgar January 3rd 05 08:25 PM


Lady Pilot wrote in message
news:2T8Cd.32284$F25.32190@okepread07...

"JG" wrote ;

So, what you're saying is that we shouldn't even try. That's what Scotti
Potti and Joe said.


It seems to me that they might be wise beyond their years!

Tell me again why Sri Lanka refused millions of dollars worth of help
immediately after the disaster? Couldn't be because they are Muslims
serving a god that no Christian has ever heard of?


LP, while you are claiming that Europeans are ignorant (BTW of what?) you
are displaying a considerable degree of ignorance yourself.
Facts are readily available. Put 'religions, sri lanka' into google and
within seconds you will learn that it is not a Muslim country at all as you
seem to imagine.
To save you the trouble, in 1999 the split was:-
Buddhist 70%
Hindu 15%
Christian 8%
Muslim 7%

So get that chip off your shoulder...


Scott Vernon January 3rd 05 10:10 PM


"JG" wrote in message
...
You're quoting facts that are not accurate. Since you haven't

bothered to
actually do the research, it seems to me that you don't care about

the
facts. Now who does this remind me of....


You!





JG January 3rd 05 11:24 PM

Then how come you're the one who's supporting "facts" that aren't facts
pinhead? You lose again. Did you get tired of this when Bob was forcing you
to lose?

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

"JG" wrote in message
...
You're quoting facts that are not accurate. Since you haven't

bothered to
actually do the research, it seems to me that you don't care about

the
facts. Now who does this remind me of....


You!







Donal January 3rd 05 11:46 PM


"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote:...
I don't like a victim mentality any more than you do. Fortunately, I
don't
have to watch the type of TV stations who cater for the redneck viewer,

so
I've not seen people *pretending* to be victims. The pictures that I've
seen speak for themselves.


Oh please, Donal! Tell me why they refused the help and dollars from

Israel
immediately after the crisis?


No!

Perhaps you should explain why you feel the need to emphasise the Muslim
refusal of aid. It was an isolated incident. Does it make you think that
the rest of the victims do not deserve help? Are you really able to write
off the dreadful plight of millions of humans because of a single incident?

You seem to be hiding behind a ("Fox" led) veil of pure ignorance. The
people of Sri Lanka and Thailand are NOT predominantly Muslim. Indonesia
has many Christians, as well as Muslims. Malaysia has many religions, and
Muslims are in a minority.

Here is Israel trying to help the people
(Muslims) that are trying to kill them off.

Do you guys in the UK not really have an idea about what goes on in the
world today? Too busy listening to the partisian NPR?


It seems that we know an awful lot more than you. I've visited several of
the affected countries, and I learned a bit about their religions while I
was there. If you took a few minutes to do your own research, then you
would realise that you are being fed a stream of twisted propoganda by your
media.





Regards


Donal
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Donal January 3rd 05 11:51 PM


"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
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"JG" wrote:
We have an obligation as the lone superpower to go above and beyond what
is expected.


Why? After they turned down Israel the same day the tragedy happened?



What on earth do you mean by "they"?

Dozens of countries have been affected. "They" have not refused Israeli
assistance at all. You should stop promoting this bigoted nonsense. It
makes you look stupid.




We will be hated by some no matter what we do, but we have a moral
obligation to do all we can to help the less fortunate.


Bwaahwhahahwahaaa! Do you really think those people want us to help?





How many loops do we need to jump through just the help the poor innocent
people there? Their government doesn't want any help, they want to make

the
news...


Whose government? You really are beginning to sound very stupid. The
Tsunami affected more than one country.




Regards


Donal
--




katysails January 4th 05 02:34 AM

Will you get off the whole religion thing here??? These are PEOPLE...it
doesn't matter if they worship salamanders....and if one group refuses,
there are 5 million others that won;t so move on down the line...trolling
religion in the wake of a disaster like this just shows the sheer bottom
that you feed on...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
They are being punished for their arrogance, yet they are not capable
of realizing it and mending their heathen ways. Islam is a failed religion
because, at it's very roots, is a belief that by combining war and
religion
Islam would be able to take over the world. IN THEIR ARROGANCE, Muslims
fail to realize education, population control, and civilized behavior must
be
part of the mix if any religion is to be successful.

God is good! Islam is a Satanic religion. Recall the "Satanic Verses" by
Salman Rushdee? Islamic clerics issued 'fatwahs' on this author because
they feared the truth. To Hell with every last Muslim who agrees in death
to everyone who does not embrace their Satanic faith.

CN


"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
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"Edgar" wrote:

Scotty and Joe should be ashamed of their posts. The plight of this
poor
woman, and thousands of others, bears no relation whatever to that of
people


What an ignorant post! When they refuse help minutes after the disaster,
what can one do?

LP





DSK January 4th 05 03:16 AM

katysails wrote:
Will you get off the whole religion thing here??? These are PEOPLE...it
doesn't matter if they worship salamanders....


Umm, does that mean they can't eat salamanders?


...trolling
religion in the wake of a disaster like this just shows the sheer bottom
that you feed on...


Yep. Unfortunately, religion is not a force for good in most people's
lives, though. It's a way of feeling smugly superior to all others
("you're going to Hell and I'm not, nyah nyah"), a way of justifying
their prejudices, and a rationalization for cruelty & robbery.

Whatever slight positive effect on morality religion might have is due
to fear of punishment, which IMHO is not really anything to brag about.

If you think I'm being overly cynical, notice how the same crowd is
trying to "prove" that the U.S. is donating more than others as though
it were a contest, as though they share in the grace of giving even if
they've not donated one penny themselves.

DSK


Scott Vernon January 4th 05 03:23 AM

"DSK" wrote in message
...
katysails wrote:
Will you get off the whole religion thing here??? These are

PEOPLE...it
doesn't matter if they worship salamanders....


Umm, does that mean they can't eat salamanders?



Only the tails.


....

Yep. Unfortunately, religion is not a force for good in most

people's
lives, though. It's a way of feeling smugly superior to all others
("you're going to Hell and I'm not, nyah nyah"), a way of justifying
their prejudices, and a rationalization for cruelty & robbery.

Whatever slight positive effect on morality religion might have is

due
to fear of punishment, which IMHO is not really anything to brag

about.


Huh? You must be catholic.


SV



Scott Vernon January 4th 05 03:24 AM

"DSK" wrote in message
...
katysails wrote:
Will you get off the whole religion thing here??? These are

PEOPLE...it
doesn't matter if they worship salamanders....


Umm, does that mean they can't eat salamanders?



Only the tails.


....

Yep. Unfortunately, religion is not a force for good in most

people's
lives, though. It's a way of feeling smugly superior to all others
("you're going to Hell and I'm not, nyah nyah"), a way of justifying
their prejudices, and a rationalization for cruelty & robbery.

Whatever slight positive effect on morality religion might have is

due
to fear of punishment, which IMHO is not really anything to brag

about.


Huh? You must be catholic.


SV





Scott Vernon January 4th 05 03:24 AM

"DSK" wrote in message
...
katysails wrote:
Will you get off the whole religion thing here??? These are

PEOPLE...it
doesn't matter if they worship salamanders....


Umm, does that mean they can't eat salamanders?



Only the tails.


....

Yep. Unfortunately, religion is not a force for good in most

people's
lives, though. It's a way of feeling smugly superior to all others
("you're going to Hell and I'm not, nyah nyah"), a way of justifying
their prejudices, and a rationalization for cruelty & robbery.

Whatever slight positive effect on morality religion might have is

due
to fear of punishment, which IMHO is not really anything to brag

about.


Huh? You must be catholic.


SV





bell January 4th 05 04:40 AM

http://www.ffrf.org/


Scott Vernon wrote:
"DSK" wrote in message
...
katysails wrote:
Will you get off the whole religion thing here??? These are
PEOPLE...it doesn't matter if they worship salamanders....


Umm, does that mean they can't eat salamanders?



Only the tails.


...

Yep. Unfortunately, religion is not a force for good in most
people's lives, though. It's a way of feeling smugly superior to
all others ("you're going to Hell and I'm not, nyah nyah"), a way
of justifying their prejudices, and a rationalization for cruelty
& robbery.

Whatever slight positive effect on morality religion might have
is due to fear of punishment, which IMHO is not really anything
to brag about.



Huh? You must be catholic.


SV





Thom Stewart January 4th 05 06:11 AM

Yeah Bell,

Those people making payments on destroyed homes and paying rent. Let's
not forget that they are also paying Taxs to pay for aid to those
victims of the "Wave", While being told the US isn't doing its share!!

Ole Thom


DSK January 4th 05 12:12 PM

Whatever slight positive effect on morality religion might have is
due
to fear of punishment, which IMHO is not really anything to brag

about.


Scott Vernon wrote:
Huh? You must be catholic.


Which type of ethical principle is better:

1- To do the right thing(s) because they are right

2- To do the right thing(s), or at least to avoid doing wrong, because
one is afraid of being caught & punished

???

I may be kind of old fashioned but it seems to me that 1 is superior.

This of course avoids the question of how one determines what is right
and wrong, which is a whole 'nuther debate. Churches tend to discourage
any attempt to seriously examine either of these questions.... or all
questions entirely, which is why the Catholics booted me out ;)

DSK



Scott Vernon January 4th 05 02:00 PM


"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Whatever slight positive effect on morality religion might have is

due
to fear of punishment, which IMHO is not really anything to brag

about.


Scott Vernon wrote:
Huh? You must be catholic.


Which type of ethical principle is better:

1- To do the right thing(s) because they are right

2- To do the right thing(s), or at least to avoid doing wrong,

because
one is afraid of being caught & punished

???

I may be kind of old fashioned but it seems to me that 1 is

superior.

This of course avoids the question of how one determines what is

right
and wrong, which is a whole 'nuther debate. Churches tend to

discourage
any attempt to seriously examine either of these questions.... or

all
questions entirely, which is why the Catholics booted me out ;)



AHA ! I knew it! You're ex catholic. So is my wife. She left while
young, but still remembers the screwed up views. Our church is all
about love , giving, sharing, human kindness, etc..

Scotty




DSK January 4th 05 02:25 PM

Scott Vernon wrote:
AHA ! I knew it! You're ex catholic.


Me dear old Irish granny would be ashamed to hear you say that. She
claimed I was never Catholic, but rather a wild heathen that got dragged
into the church regularly while still small enough.


... So is my wife. She left while
young, but still remembers the screwed up views.


IMHO the problem with the Catholic church is the same problem as with
most churches... hypocracy. The main message is beautiful but the
application is all greed & power.

OTOH unlike most other Christian church officials, the Pope will still
wash the feet of a beggar.


... Our church is all
about love , giving, sharing, human kindness, etc..


It's a shining example to others, then!

DSK






katysails January 4th 05 11:53 PM

Doug,
In order for your first point to succeed, you ahve to have your second
point in place for development of conscience. When young children are being
raised, it is necessary that there be consequences for actions...good and
bad. Consequences can be equivocated to punishment at times if the
infraction is grave. Fear of negative consequence is a healthy thing. It
keeps us from becoming sociopathic.

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Whatever slight positive effect on morality religion might have is

due
to fear of punishment, which IMHO is not really anything to brag

about.


Scott Vernon wrote:
Huh? You must be catholic.


Which type of ethical principle is better:

1- To do the right thing(s) because they are right

2- To do the right thing(s), or at least to avoid doing wrong, because one
is afraid of being caught & punished

???

I may be kind of old fashioned but it seems to me that 1 is superior.

This of course avoids the question of how one determines what is right and
wrong, which is a whole 'nuther debate. Churches tend to discourage any
attempt to seriously examine either of these questions.... or all
questions entirely, which is why the Catholics booted me out ;)

DSK





katysails January 4th 05 11:56 PM

people=institutions unfortunately, there are a lot of bad people that hide
behind and even gain power in institutions. People don't discuss the good
that institutions do, they only like to look at the bad that the people who
hide within them commit...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Scott Vernon wrote:
AHA ! I knew it! You're ex catholic.


Me dear old Irish granny would be ashamed to hear you say that. She
claimed I was never Catholic, but rather a wild heathen that got dragged
into the church regularly while still small enough.


... So is my wife. She left while
young, but still remembers the screwed up views.


IMHO the problem with the Catholic church is the same problem as with most
churches... hypocracy. The main message is beautiful but the application
is all greed & power.

OTOH unlike most other Christian church officials, the Pope will still
wash the feet of a beggar.


... Our church is all
about love , giving, sharing, human kindness, etc..


It's a shining example to others, then!

DSK








Capt. Neal® January 5th 05 12:05 AM


It is a human trait to point the finger at somebody else
instead of accepting their own culpability. Institutions
have nothing, whatsoever, to do with the manifestations
of human hypocrisy.

It just so happens that DSK is right for once. The Catholic
church has failed to stick to its roots but it has failed even
worse in its attempt to modernize.

CN



"katysails" wrote in message ...
people=institutions unfortunately, there are a lot of bad people that hide
behind and even gain power in institutions. People don't discuss the good
that institutions do, they only like to look at the bad that the people who
hide within them commit...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Scott Vernon wrote:
AHA ! I knew it! You're ex catholic.


Me dear old Irish granny would be ashamed to hear you say that. She
claimed I was never Catholic, but rather a wild heathen that got dragged
into the church regularly while still small enough.


... So is my wife. She left while
young, but still remembers the screwed up views.


IMHO the problem with the Catholic church is the same problem as with most
churches... hypocracy. The main message is beautiful but the application
is all greed & power.

OTOH unlike most other Christian church officials, the Pope will still
wash the feet of a beggar.


... Our church is all
about love , giving, sharing, human kindness, etc..


It's a shining example to others, then!

DSK








Donal January 5th 05 01:01 AM


"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
news:2T8Cd.32284$F25.32190@okepread07...

"JG" wrote ;

So, what you're saying is that we shouldn't even try. That's what Scotti
Potti and Joe said.


It seems to me that they might be wise beyond their years!

Tell me again why Sri Lanka refused millions of dollars worth of help
immediately after the disaster? Couldn't be because they are Muslims
serving a god that no Christian has ever heard of?


I tried to tell you yesterday that you were wrong. I see that Edgar has now
given you proof that you were wrong.

Have you changed your opinion? ... or are you going to find another excuse
to ignore these unfortunate people.

BTW, the Buddists of Sri Lanka are the most tolerant people that I have ever
met. At the end of my holiday there, I asked someone why they were always
so pleasant. He told me that a Sri Lankan would never upset anyone if a
"small lie" could make them happy. It isn't a very Christian attitude, but
I have total respect for them.

The Sri Lankans are a lovely, friendly helpful people. If you had ever
visited the country, then you wouldn't be able to spout such nonsense.



Regards


Donal
--




Donal January 5th 05 01:16 AM


"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
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"Edgar" wrote:

Scotty and Joe should be ashamed of their posts. The plight of this

poor
woman, and thousands of others, bears no relation whatever to that of
people


What an igornorant post! When they refuse help minutes after the

disaster,
what can one do?


Do you now realise that you are ignorant of the facts?

They didn't refuse help. They said that they didn't have the facilities to
deal with more "helpers".

Perhaps you should sue your local news broadcaster for feeding your ignorant
predjudices.




Regards


Donal
--




Donal January 5th 05 01:27 AM


"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
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"Donal" wrote:
The USA certainly has the resources. Sadly, it seems that the US is
giving
less per capita than many poorer countries.


Hahahaaaa!

The Jews in Israel were the first in line to help the Muslims that are
trying to kill them (I know this personally)... they refused their 150 man
team and resources to help them. They would rather their people die than
have some help keeping their ilk alive...


Are you ready to back up this silly claim?




What does this say about those countries that have suffered the Tsumami?


I don't know. Perhaps you would tell us? Do you think that all the
Buddists should be allowed to die because you misunderstood a news report?


Regards


Donal
--




katysails January 5th 05 02:32 AM

You can't make the statement that institutions have nothing to do with human
hypocrisy and then and then refer to the institution of the Church as if it
were an entity that makes its' own decisions....humans decide the fate of
the Church...the institution does not fail...it is the humans that fail the
institution that corrupt...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

It is a human trait to point the finger at somebody else
instead of accepting their own culpability. Institutions
have nothing, whatsoever, to do with the manifestations
of human hypocrisy.

It just so happens that DSK is right for once. The Catholic
church has failed to stick to its roots but it has failed even
worse in its attempt to modernize.

CN



"katysails" wrote in message
...
people=institutions unfortunately, there are a lot of bad people that
hide
behind and even gain power in institutions. People don't discuss the good
that institutions do, they only like to look at the bad that the people
who
hide within them commit...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Scott Vernon wrote:
AHA ! I knew it! You're ex catholic.

Me dear old Irish granny would be ashamed to hear you say that. She
claimed I was never Catholic, but rather a wild heathen that got
dragged
into the church regularly while still small enough.


... So is my wife. She left while
young, but still remembers the screwed up views.

IMHO the problem with the Catholic church is the same problem as with
most
churches... hypocracy. The main message is beautiful but the
application
is all greed & power.

OTOH unlike most other Christian church officials, the Pope will still
wash the feet of a beggar.


... Our church is all
about love , giving, sharing, human kindness, etc..


It's a shining example to others, then!

DSK










Capt. Neal® January 5th 05 03:56 AM



You can hide behind misdirection. I said institutions have nothing
to do with the failing of individual humans as in hypocrisy. It
is you attempting to justify hypocrisy because hypocrites can
hide behind institutions. The fact is they can only hide from
people who wish to excuse their actions because they, themselves
are hypocrites. This is a liberal tactic which is used day in and
day out.

When I refer to the Catholic church I refer to the individual
members therein. I simply pointed out how individual Catholics
failed to stick to their roots and failed more miserably trying
to modernize. This is because the majority of Catholics are
hypocrites.

CN


"katysails" wrote in message ...
You can't make the statement that institutions have nothing to do with human
hypocrisy and then and then refer to the institution of the Church as if it
were an entity that makes its' own decisions....humans decide the fate of
the Church...the institution does not fail...it is the humans that fail the
institution that corrupt...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

It is a human trait to point the finger at somebody else
instead of accepting their own culpability. Institutions
have nothing, whatsoever, to do with the manifestations
of human hypocrisy.

It just so happens that DSK is right for once. The Catholic
church has failed to stick to its roots but it has failed even
worse in its attempt to modernize.

CN



"katysails" wrote in message
...
people=institutions unfortunately, there are a lot of bad people that
hide
behind and even gain power in institutions. People don't discuss the good
that institutions do, they only like to look at the bad that the people
who
hide within them commit...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Scott Vernon wrote:
AHA ! I knew it! You're ex catholic.

Me dear old Irish granny would be ashamed to hear you say that. She
claimed I was never Catholic, but rather a wild heathen that got
dragged
into the church regularly while still small enough.


... So is my wife. She left while
young, but still remembers the screwed up views.

IMHO the problem with the Catholic church is the same problem as with
most
churches... hypocracy. The main message is beautiful but the
application
is all greed & power.

OTOH unlike most other Christian church officials, the Pope will still
wash the feet of a beggar.


... Our church is all
about love , giving, sharing, human kindness, etc..


It's a shining example to others, then!

DSK











Capt. Neal® January 5th 05 03:59 AM

I can't wait till LP has the time to post a reply and put you
in your place. Liberals always fail when confronted by
conservative principles and LP is an intelligent conservative.

You have no chance against her and if you should happen to
trick her with some liberal ruse, I will come to her aid because
there is not a liberal alive I cannot defeat with the truth combined
with logic.

CN


"Donal" wrote in message ...

"Lady Pilot" wrote in message
news:uN8Cd.32282$F25.8961@okepread07...

"Donal" wrote:
The USA certainly has the resources. Sadly, it seems that the US is
giving
less per capita than many poorer countries.


Hahahaaaa!

The Jews in Israel were the first in line to help the Muslims that are
trying to kill them (I know this personally)... they refused their 150 man
team and resources to help them. They would rather their people die than
have some help keeping their ilk alive...


Are you ready to back up this silly claim?




What does this say about those countries that have suffered the Tsumami?


I don't know. Perhaps you would tell us? Do you think that all the
Buddists should be allowed to die because you misunderstood a news report?


Regards


Donal
--




Thom Stewart January 5th 05 06:39 AM

Donal,

Don't you find it rather odd that the world seems to be concentrating so
completely on US aid? The victims are waiting for US aid, What is wrong
with the aid from other countries? Where are the ships and planes from
France and Germany? Where are the supply stations for Spains relief
goods, They don't seem to of much help.
Where are they and what are they doing?

Donal, please enlighten me?

Ole Thom


katysails January 5th 05 11:29 AM

I do not justify hypocrisy. I abhor hypocrisy. The institution is not
hypocritical, it is the people within who create the hypocrisy. The
majority of people who make up the institution, though, are not. They lead
silent lives dedicated to their belief system, built on faith, even though
there are wolves among them.

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...


You can hide behind misdirection. I said institutions have nothing
to do with the failing of individual humans as in hypocrisy. It
is you attempting to justify hypocrisy because hypocrites can
hide behind institutions. The fact is they can only hide from
people who wish to excuse their actions because they, themselves
are hypocrites. This is a liberal tactic which is used day in and
day out.

When I refer to the Catholic church I refer to the individual
members therein. I simply pointed out how individual Catholics
failed to stick to their roots and failed more miserably trying
to modernize. This is because the majority of Catholics are
hypocrites.

CN


"katysails" wrote in message
...
You can't make the statement that institutions have nothing to do with
human
hypocrisy and then and then refer to the institution of the Church as if
it
were an entity that makes its' own decisions....humans decide the fate of
the Church...the institution does not fail...it is the humans that fail
the
institution that corrupt...

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

It is a human trait to point the finger at somebody else
instead of accepting their own culpability. Institutions
have nothing, whatsoever, to do with the manifestations
of human hypocrisy.

It just so happens that DSK is right for once. The Catholic
church has failed to stick to its roots but it has failed even
worse in its attempt to modernize.

CN



"katysails" wrote in message
...
people=institutions unfortunately, there are a lot of bad people
that
hide
behind and even gain power in institutions. People don't discuss the
good
that institutions do, they only like to look at the bad that the
people
who
hide within them commit...

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Scott Vernon wrote:
AHA ! I knew it! You're ex catholic.

Me dear old Irish granny would be ashamed to hear you say that. She
claimed I was never Catholic, but rather a wild heathen that got
dragged
into the church regularly while still small enough.


... So is my wife. She left while
young, but still remembers the screwed up views.

IMHO the problem with the Catholic church is the same problem as
with
most
churches... hypocracy. The main message is beautiful but the
application
is all greed & power.

OTOH unlike most other Christian church officials, the Pope will
still
wash the feet of a beggar.


... Our church is all
about love , giving, sharing, human kindness, etc..


It's a shining example to others, then!

DSK













Overproof January 5th 05 05:57 PM

No Canadian networks even mention USA aid.... they are concentrating on
Canadian Aid.
No British Networks, nor French, nor all of the EU give a tinker's damn
about how much aid is provided by the USA.......

What's lamentable, is the trite, self-effacing and fraudulent claims from
the US populace that your country is providing more than anyone else.

What is it with you people that you have to brag so often and so incessantly
about how great you all are..... ????? ...you a most certainly not
viewed in that light by the rest of the world!

Maybe it's a case of delusions of adequacy on your part?

CM



"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Donal,

Don't you find it rather odd that the world seems to be concentrating so
completely on US aid? The victims are waiting for US aid, What is wrong
with the aid from other countries? Where are the ships and planes from
France and Germany? Where are the supply stations for Spains relief
goods, They don't seem to of much help.
Where are they and what are they doing?

Donal, please enlighten me?

Ole Thom




Capt.American January 5th 05 06:19 PM


Overproof wrote:
No Canadian networks even mention USA aid.... they are concentrating

on
Canadian Aid.
No British Networks, nor French, nor all of the EU give a tinker's

damn
about how much aid is provided by the USA.......



Why lie Mr. Mooron? All the EU, the smelly frogs, and the Germans are
envious of the USA's ability.

I'm quite sure the frogs and the germs are telling its citizens we are
not doing enough. It's the French way.



What's lamentable, is the trite, self-effacing and fraudulent claims

from
the US populace that your country is providing more than anyone else.


What's lame & trite is Canada's military.



What is it with you people that you have to brag so often and so

incessantly
about how great you all are..... ?????


How come everyone one on earth calls us the only Superpower? Since we
are the superpower, every American is a superman, or woman. Get used to
it. We are not bragging, it is just a fact.



....you a most certainly not
viewed in that light by the rest of the world!


The views of the low un-superpowers is of no concern to us. We will
lead by example, please fall into the back of the line.


Maybe it's a case of delusions of adequacy on your part?



No sir, it's a case of jeliousy, pure and simple.


Capt. American




CM



"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Donal,

Don't you find it rather odd that the world seems to be

concentrating so
completely on US aid? The victims are waiting for US aid, What is

wrong
with the aid from other countries? Where are the ships and planes

from
France and Germany? Where are the supply stations for Spains relief
goods, They don't seem to of much help.
Where are they and what are they doing?

Donal, please enlighten me?

Ole Thom



Overproof January 5th 05 06:53 PM


"Capt.American" wrote in message
Why lie Mr. Mooron? All the EU, the smelly frogs, and the Germans are
envious of the USA's ability.


It hurts don't it.... there you are dancing like a whirling dervish... and
nobody gives a damn!

I'm quite sure the frogs and the germs are telling its citizens we are
not doing enough. It's the French way.


Nope... they hardly ever mention the USA. They are much like Americans and
believe you are beneath their contempt.


What's lame & trite is Canada's military.


What do we need a military for?? Everybody else loves us and you guys can't
find us on a map.

How come everyone one on earth calls us the only Superpower? Since we
are the superpower, every American is a superman, or woman. Get used to
it. We are not bragging, it is just a fact.


Superpower... relative..... Super Stupid?.... well, you're buying our
cows again!

The views of the low un-superpowers is of no concern to us. We will
lead by example, please fall into the back of the line.


If the EU, Russia and China attacked you...... we'd help out by giving all
your soldiers a place to run and hide.

No sir, it's a case of jeliousy, pure and simple.


Sure it is..... all of the rest of us want to be as brainwashed as youse
guys!

CM



DSK January 5th 05 08:00 PM

katysails wrote:
Doug,
In order for your first point to succeed, you ahve to have your second
point in place for development of conscience.


I disagree.

... When young children are being
raised, it is necessary that there be consequences for actions...good and
bad.


Agreed. But that can be reduced to simple behaviorism... mechanistically
reinforcing children to act in ways that are "good."

This is not the same thing as having (and following) a rational moral &
ethical code.


... Consequences can be equivocated to punishment at times if the
infraction is grave. Fear of negative consequence is a healthy thing. It
keeps us from becoming sociopathic.


The problem with this viewpoint is that it erases the difference between
a sociopath who is restrained by fear of punishment, and a person who
has no tendency towards sociopathy.

This sort of thinking is like those cops who believe that there's no
such thing as an honest citizen. Do you believe this is right & good?!?
I find it hard to believe that you do...

DSK


DSK January 5th 05 08:02 PM

katysails wrote:
people=institutions


Yep. Any time more than two people get together, you have politics.

... unfortunately, there are a lot of bad people that hide
behind and even gain power in institutions. People don't discuss the good
that institutions do, they only like to look at the bad that the people who
hide within them commit...


Because hiding behind istitutions is a good way of avoiding
consequences... ties in rather neatly with earlier post...

But to a large extent, it's human nature.

DSK


JG January 5th 05 08:11 PM

You're south and east of Alaska right?

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"Overproof" wrote in message
news:0JWCd.30$L_6.3@edtnps91...

"Capt.American" wrote in message
Why lie Mr. Mooron? All the EU, the smelly frogs, and the Germans are
envious of the USA's ability.


It hurts don't it.... there you are dancing like a whirling dervish...
and nobody gives a damn!

I'm quite sure the frogs and the germs are telling its citizens we are
not doing enough. It's the French way.


Nope... they hardly ever mention the USA. They are much like Americans
and believe you are beneath their contempt.


What's lame & trite is Canada's military.


What do we need a military for?? Everybody else loves us and you guys
can't find us on a map.

How come everyone one on earth calls us the only Superpower? Since we
are the superpower, every American is a superman, or woman. Get used to
it. We are not bragging, it is just a fact.


Superpower... relative..... Super Stupid?.... well, you're buying our
cows again!

The views of the low un-superpowers is of no concern to us. We will
lead by example, please fall into the back of the line.


If the EU, Russia and China attacked you...... we'd help out by giving
all your soldiers a place to run and hide.

No sir, it's a case of jeliousy, pure and simple.


Sure it is..... all of the rest of us want to be as brainwashed as youse
guys!

CM




Donal January 6th 05 01:25 AM


"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Donal,

Don't you find it rather odd that the world seems to be concentrating so
completely on US aid?


I don't know why you think this. As far as I can see, the world is not
concentrating on US AID.

Perhaps your TV stations are placing undue emphasis US aid????



The victims are waiting for US aid,


No, they are not. They are waiting for drinking water and food.

What is wrong
with the aid from other countries? Where are the ships and planes from
France and Germany? Where are the supply stations for Spains relief
goods, They don't seem to of much help.
Where are they and what are they doing?


They are delivering aid. They are delivering much more than the US. You
should complain to your TV stations for misleading you.



Donal, please enlighten me?


I think that your TV news is concentrating on US aid.


Regards


Donal
--




Ole Thom




Capt. Neal® January 6th 05 01:30 AM

And the BBC is so fair and balanced and accurate.

I hear they are going to hire Dan Rather.

Bwaahahahahhahahaahha!

CN


"Donal" wrote in message ...

"Thom Stewart" wrote in message
...
Donal,

Don't you find it rather odd that the world seems to be concentrating so
completely on US aid?


I don't know why you think this. As far as I can see, the world is not
concentrating on US AID.

Perhaps your TV stations are placing undue emphasis US aid????



The victims are waiting for US aid,


No, they are not. They are waiting for drinking water and food.

What is wrong
with the aid from other countries? Where are the ships and planes from
France and Germany? Where are the supply stations for Spains relief
goods, They don't seem to of much help.
Where are they and what are they doing?


They are delivering aid. They are delivering much more than the US. You
should complain to your TV stations for misleading you.



Donal, please enlighten me?


I think that your TV news is concentrating on US aid.


Regards


Donal
--




Ole Thom





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