First off Rick I have mucho respect for otm, who said I did not?

2nd your ol wore out tug run up and down the marina towing nothing.

3rd nothing worse than being a gofer for some rich snob, thats gotta be
the worst job on the sea.
4th Ive ran tugs over 10,000 hp.

Whats you ticket number?

Joe

Joe wrote:
First off Rick I have mucho respect for otm, who said I did not?
Your attitude toward real mariners.

2nd your ol wore out tug run up and down the marina towing nothing.
Yup, it was a magnificent yacht conversion. It has been many years since
my licenses were so small the only work I could find was on tugs.

3rd nothing worse than being a gofer for some rich snob, thats gotta be
the worst job on the sea.
One you will never be qualified or fit to perform ... bwahahahahaha

4th Ive ran tugs over 10,000 hp.
Aground probably, if they ever let you touch the wheel.

Whats you ticket number?
What's it to you?

Rick

WTF? What attitude towards real mariners are you talking about? Guess
your another self titled Master Mariner right?

And yeah I've ran aground a few time, when you have over a millions
miles under various keel running every port and river on the Gulf Coast
you will run aground many times. You telling me you have never run
aground chief?

I just have a friend up at the USCG office in Houston who can tell me
if your full of **** or not as to holding a Master ticket.

If you have one then more power to you, congrats, ect..

And BTW I got the hell out of the Marine transport business because I
found a way to make in a month what I was paid a year running supply
vessels. I may get back into it some day but as an owner not an
operator.

Joe

Yacht Conversion, Tugs unless repowered/geared if not towing or pushing
are huge waste of money. The engine room takes up way to much space,
ect....was your wood or steel?

Only ones worth saving IMO are the ol triple expansion steam powered or
older.

That being said... I still love the looks and lines of old tugs and
I'm glad people keep them floating.

Joe

Joe wrote:
Yacht Conversion, Tugs unless repowered/geared if not towing or pushing
are huge waste of money. The engine room takes up way to much space,
ect....was your wood or steel?

Wood boat, 65 feet. Enterprise DMG-6, 400 rpm max, direct reversing, air
start. Next best thing to recip steam. It would be a crime to replace
that engine with a screaming little whiner.

You don't convert tugs for reasons of economy.

That being said... I still love the looks and lines of old tugs and
I'm glad people keep them floating.

Puget Sound (where the boat now lives) is the center of the universe for
restored tugs. The new owner will take it back to the Bay Area where it
was built.

Rick

Due to the shipyards in the area?

Joe

Joe wrote:
Due to the shipyards in the area?
Due to the number of classic tugs that have survived. The Pacific
Northwest has had a very healthy coastal and deepsea towing industry for
generations and the wood boats have always been well built of local
timber and cared for by a large number of wood boat craftsmen. During
WW2 there were hundreds of wooden boats built in the region and many of
them are still working today in towing and the fishing industry.

They make magnificent conversions and are very comfortable in the kind
of weather we get. There are a number of small yards which have been
doing woodboat work for generations so, yes, the availability of yards
contributes to the success of the conversions and long life of the boats
but is not by any means the reason there are so many. There just seems
to be a lot of people with the money and sentimentality to keep the
beautiful old boats alive.

Rick

Joe wrote:

3rd nothing worse than being a gofer for some rich snob, thats gotta be
the worst job on the sea.

Oh, yeah .. it's simply awful to have to live in a floating palace and
having to deal with wine merchants, a chef and a stewardess. Not to
mention the agony of having to find new places in the world to take the
boat so the very un-snobby owners can fly in for a few weeks every year.

I'm sure there is no way it compares with the joy of loading a mud boat
with pipe and hanging around an oil rig in a swamp.

Rick

Are you on the boat 24/7? Any pics of the yacht?

Scotty

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Joe wrote:

3rd nothing worse than being a gofer for some rich snob, thats
gotta be
the worst job on the sea.

Oh, yeah .. it's simply awful to have to live in a floating palace
and
having to deal with wine merchants, a chef and a stewardess. Not to
mention the agony of having to find new places in the world to take
the
boat so the very un-snobby owners can fly in for a few weeks every
year.

I'm sure there is no way it compares with the joy of loading a mud
boat
with pipe and hanging around an oil rig in a swamp.

Rick

When the owner is aboard whos word is law?

Perhaps you are one of the lucky ones that found a dream job, but most
I have known that run yachts wear out knee pads and are sniveling yes
men.

I have ran a few supply boats with mud and cement tanks but all the
oilfield work was offshore not around any swamp.

My favorate job was a 120 ft crewboat just my wife and I, working it
out of Port Mansfield TX in some of the best fishing grounds in the
gulf. We had that contract for 3 years. The rig was 10 miles off the
beach and we ran grocerys once a week the rest of the time we hung out
fishing exploring N.& S. padre island enjoying the tropical paradise.
We had a deck hand for a while but I found out he was stealing from the
local store so I sent him packing. Never needed a replacement. What a
great town, population about 80, most worked as fishing guides. 2 great
bars, and one store. And I was making the owner about 2K a day profit.
One year Terry and I worked 362 days strait. both getting Capt. Wages.

Then there was the Point T, a 185 ft brand spanking new Halter buildt
standby boat working for Mobil. 2 weeks on 2 weeks off in HI 386. We
would shuttle cargo and people 1 hour in the AM 1 in the PM and that
was it, rest of the time spent fishing, reading , playing pool,
reading, ect. We had a crew of 4 and a walk in freezer and cooler on
the boat. We would bring in around 1000 to 1800 pounds of RedSnapper
and Grouper ever time we hit the dock, Nice to get a 1500 cash tax free
bonus ever two weeks for fishing, only thing that sucked was the boat
had 16 149 detroits and was a bit underpowered IMO.
We had a 12 71 powering the fire fighting nozzel.

A couple years in the Bay of De Campechi was wonderful, trips to
Scotland, Ireland, Ivory Coast, towing semi's.

I enjoyed the work myself but the money was just not there. The only
way to get ahead in the oilfield is by owning the boat.

And I decided I had enough of going where & when other people told me
to go. The only one's that make the real money in the maritime
industry are pilots and some un-limited masters that have 20+ years
with the same union/company. My uncle Art ran a super tanker for
Exxon... worked 6 mo on 6 mo off and made around 320K a year back in
the 1980's.
And to be a pilot you have to be born into the biz.

Joe