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wrote: On 28 Dec 2004 14:29:40 -0800, "Joe" wrote: wrote: On 28 Dec 2004 10:13:13 -0800, "Joe" wrote: ... rails in the water Both rails? Turn on your bilge pump, dummy! BB Not at the same time brainiac. Joe Well, now that you have established clearly that you are the dummy and I'm the brainiac, what else can I help you with, you defenseless mooron? BB Yeah your a real brainiac Bob. |
OzOne wrote in message ... Yep, they get like that. We're now up to 54 retired and a number who took shelter during the worst of the storms have now resumed racing. It looks like the 93' super maxi Skandia Wild Thing will be a total loss after being abandoned. She had a failure in the keel canting mechanism which locked it off to one side, she was abandoned when it was feared she would capsize in the wild seas and this was later proven a prudent move, as she did capsize after her keel broke off. Canting keels are just another bad idea. A real sailor would engineer a system to kant the mast, not the keel. CN |
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Joe wrote:
Well Doug I've raced RedCloud in 3 Harvest Moon regetta around 250 mi in the gulf and we had 12-15 footers... rails in the water , a few boats other boats were de-masted and we kept racing I have no doubt another 5 foot would have had much more affect. Our best was a third in our class. OK, now think... the Sydney-Hobart has sailors coming from all over the world to compete. It is one of the toughest races. Does the Harvest Moon regatta even bring a lot of regional interest? How many boats race in it? How many different clubs represented? Not trying to diss the Harvest Moon race, but it is not at all even close to the same scale event. Many many week night bay races with winds higher than 40 knots, thats why I have reefing points in my sails and several head sails. Do week night races take you over open sea, with current, and take you on a course beating into 40+ knot winds for hours at a time? Are you telling me that anyone who enters Hobart race should not expect strong winds and large seas? No, I'm saying a piddey local racer who thinks he's tough because he's sailed in piddley local races should not bad-mouth world class talent in the toughest sailboat race on the planet. For one thing, all it does is make you look dumb. DSK |
Crap'n Neal® wrote:
Canting keels are just another bad idea. You're speaking from the standpoint of your vast knowledge of naval architecture & engineering? ... A real sailor would engineer a system to kant the mast, not the keel. First of all it's been done... so much for your knowledge and experience. Secondly, why would canting the mast be better? Heeling the hull would degrade steering & leeway resistance, and add lots of hydrodynamic drag. Think! It's difficult & painful but it's better than the alternative. Fresh Breezes Doug King |
Most Harvest moon races have around 200-300 boats. I'm not a Yacht Club
member and could care less how many Yacht clubs enter the race, There are several, I can tell by the little flags and cute colorful matching sailor suits the crews wear, I've seen many cross the finish line usually several hours and drinks after we crossed it. The race is sponsered by Baccardi. OK now think.....If you travel half way across the world to RACE would you not finish what you started? I would. Now if you want to hold high esteem for quiters and losers feel free, I just think many of the people in the race are weekend warriors with more money than skills and fortatude. If you want to have respect for sailors who do not understand the abilitys of the vessels they sail, then go ahead. Every year I raced the harvest moon we raced against another Ketch called the Lone Star Love, the owners were quite proud that they had raced the Hobart. Ever year we finished just ahead of them. They had a 300K boat, fancy sailor suits, and 5+ more years than I racing the Harvest moon. Ill respect the people who finish what they started, the others are just wussies and wannabes. Joe |
"Joe" scribbled thusly:
Most Harvest moon races have around 200-300 boats. How many are sober? How long is the Harvest Moon race? How many rocky capes does it pass, and what kind of currents over that area? OzOne wrote: Ummm, here, and in all races that have any worth, you must be a member of a yacht club to enter. I dunnoe about "of any worth" but it does show a more serious attitude about sailing that so many people who are serious enough to do a lot of racing in their clubs. I bet the Harvest Moon draws a large crowd of people for whom it's their only race of the year. I'm surprised that there are "many" boats slower than your floating caravan...guess it's because it's a picnic race. It's a PHRF race. Says it all IMHO. OK now think.....If you travel half way across the world to RACE would you not finish what you started? I would. Sure you would, without a mast, broken rudders, cracked hull and bulkheads.....sure you would. I think at some point, the wise man says to himself and his crew, "It's more important to get home in one piece than to finish." Thing is, these guys are racers, they seek safety when they know that their boat is or has reached her limit..or passed it! And they know when that is. A dumbo-macho attitude is a sure way to end up in big trouble. Now if you want to hold high esteem for quiters and losers feel free Joe, this is one of the toughest races over one of the toughest parts of ocean in the world. I'd give a nod of respect to anybody who had made the passage, much less completed the race. Yet you feel compelled to insult & belittle others. ... I just think many of the people in the race are weekend warriors with more money than skills and fortatude. No doubt because that's what you see in your local races? Some are people who do the race every year just for the hell of it. They are smart enough to know that when Bass Strait gets wild, you don't go out there in any boat for fun. Maybe a submarine... If you want to have respect for sailors who do not understand the abilitys of the vessels they sail Hey Joe, what's you're boat's Ballast/Disp ratio again? You seem to not be able to answer questions about how you sail your boat hard to windward in 40+ knot winds and 20+ foot breaking seas. Ill respect the people who finish what they started, the others are just wussies and wannabes. Maybe you should suggest to President Bush that he find Osama Bin Laden. I respect people who know that when the boom, gooseneck,mast or hull is broken that they can't continue. I also have great respect for those who recognise their and their boats abilities and chose not to continue into Bass Strait out of bravado...or fear of being called a wussie or wannabee by some uninformed, totally ignorant clown. Part of the problem here is that Joe (and others of the same stripe) do not understand their own boats true capabilities, much less others. They want to play the game both ways- darn candy-ass racers are just a bunch of quitters... and the ones that break something are sailing flimsy cockleshells... they hate racing and racers, probably out of a well-deserved sense of inferiority. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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