Seafarer 38s
 

I'm considering purchasing a 1973 Seafarer 38 Ketch and was wondering what
people think of them? They sound like a sturdy boat from what I've heard so
far.

Bill

Go for it. But, don't pay much more than 25 large for one as that's about all they
are worth at this point.

CN


"Bill Farina" wrote in message ...
I'm considering purchasing a 1973 Seafarer 38 Ketch and was wondering what
people think of them? They sound like a sturdy boat from what I've heard so
far.

Bill

Bill Farina wrote:
I'm considering purchasing a 1973 Seafarer 38 Ketch and was wondering what
people think of them? They sound like a sturdy boat from what I've heard so
far.


I think they're pretty well built for their era. I don't know the
Seafarer 38 but have checked out a S-34. The main points I can think of
are more due to the design (narrow, low freeboard) than build.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

I believe it was earlier (or later) made/sold as the Hughs 38.

If I have the right boat in mind, I would personally prefer the original Atomic
4 engine installed. The engine placement took advantage of the small size of
the A/4 (mid cabin for better boat balance). The closest diesel replacement
(in size) is several inches higher, and the table has to be raised so much it
looks out of place.

Again, if it is the boat I think it is, the boat does not back up well under
power (not really a problem). Some boatyards with absolutely no ethics at all
will tell the boat owner that is because the prop is too far forward (which of
course is a crock of ****) of the rudder and for a mere $X,XXX or $XX,000 they
will "fix" the problem. Afterwards (when the boat doesn't back up any better)
the boatyard will tell the owner he needs to "let the boat pick up speed" in
reverse for controlability, which of course all that was needed from the
beginning.

The boat is a tad small inside compared to later 38 foot sailboats, but sure is
a graceful looking boat. Find one with the Atomic 4 still inside, tell the
seller that gasoline engines blow up thousands of times each year killing tens
of thousands of sailors and therefore you wouldn't consider taking his junk
ready to blow up bomb off his hands for anything more than 30% of his asking
price. If he quivers and shakes, you may just have a genuine bargain on your
hands. If he falls to the ground holding his belly laughing his ass off, laugh
yourself, help him back up and start talking turkey on the boat. It probably
is in excellent shape overall.

I'm considering purchasing a 1973 Seafarer 38 Ketch and was wondering what
people think of them? They sound like a sturdy boat from what I've heard so
far.

It seems to me that if the choice is between having a slightly raised table
that looks a little odd and a non-gasoline engine, I would take the diesel
replacement.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I believe it was earlier (or later) made/sold as the Hughs 38.

If I have the right boat in mind, I would personally prefer the original
Atomic
4 engine installed. The engine placement took advantage of the small size
of
the A/4 (mid cabin for better boat balance). The closest diesel
replacement
(in size) is several inches higher, and the table has to be raised so much
it
looks out of place.

Again, if it is the boat I think it is, the boat does not back up well
under
power (not really a problem). Some boatyards with absolutely no ethics at
all
will tell the boat owner that is because the prop is too far forward
(which of
course is a crock of ****) of the rudder and for a mere $X,XXX or $XX,000
they
will "fix" the problem. Afterwards (when the boat doesn't back up any
better)
the boatyard will tell the owner he needs to "let the boat pick up speed"
in
reverse for controlability, which of course all that was needed from the
beginning.

The boat is a tad small inside compared to later 38 foot sailboats, but
sure is
a graceful looking boat. Find one with the Atomic 4 still inside, tell
the
seller that gasoline engines blow up thousands of times each year killing
tens
of thousands of sailors and therefore you wouldn't consider taking his
junk
ready to blow up bomb off his hands for anything more than 30% of his
asking
price. If he quivers and shakes, you may just have a genuine bargain on
your
hands. If he falls to the ground holding his belly laughing his ass off,
laugh
yourself, help him back up and start talking turkey on the boat. It
probably
is in excellent shape overall.

I'm considering purchasing a 1973 Seafarer 38 Ketch and was wondering
what
people think of them? They sound like a sturdy boat from what I've heard
so
far.

not "slightly" raised, but rather SEVERAL inches. Think of your kitchen table
raised 4-1/2". It looks like hell. Well, to most people anyway.

now think of a smelly, noisy vibrating belcher under that table, that sounds
and smells like a 1960's city bus.

btw, BOO!!

btw-2, more people died in your city of residence in the last month of AIDs
than have died of gasoline engine in a boat in the entire history of powered
boats.

btw-2, the guy is talking about buying a 20 year old boat at a fine price, and
you want to talk about improbable events.

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/23/2004 1:09 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

It seems to me that if the choice is between having a slightly raised table
that looks a little odd and a non-gasoline engine, I would take the diesel
replacement.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I believe it was earlier (or later) made/sold as the Hughs 38.

If I have the right boat in mind, I would personally prefer the original
Atomic
4 engine installed. The engine placement took advantage of the small size
of
the A/4 (mid cabin for better boat balance). The closest diesel
replacement
(in size) is several inches higher, and the table has to be raised so much
it
looks out of place.

Again, if it is the boat I think it is, the boat does not back up well
under
power (not really a problem). Some boatyards with absolutely no ethics at
all
will tell the boat owner that is because the prop is too far forward
(which of
course is a crock of ****) of the rudder and for a mere $X,XXX or $XX,000
they
will "fix" the problem. Afterwards (when the boat doesn't back up any
better)
the boatyard will tell the owner he needs to "let the boat pick up speed"
in
reverse for controlability, which of course all that was needed from the
beginning.

The boat is a tad small inside compared to later 38 foot sailboats, but
sure is
a graceful looking boat. Find one with the Atomic 4 still inside, tell
the
seller that gasoline engines blow up thousands of times each year killing
tens
of thousands of sailors and therefore you wouldn't consider taking his
junk
ready to blow up bomb off his hands for anything more than 30% of his
asking
price. If he quivers and shakes, you may just have a genuine bargain on
your
hands. If he falls to the ground holding his belly laughing his ass off,
laugh
yourself, help him back up and start talking turkey on the boat. It
probably
is in excellent shape overall.

I'm considering purchasing a 1973 Seafarer 38 Ketch and was wondering
what
people think of them? They sound like a sturdy boat from what I've heard
so
far.

I don't like gasoline engines in boats. Perhaps if the boat is that cramped,
it's not much of a boat. It seems to me that a few more inches for a table
isn't that big a deal. If it's a good diesel engine, it's not going to be
vibrating that much. The modern diesels are much improved.

BTW, I don't live in SF.

BTW, it's not an "improbably" event. Gasoline is much more dangerous than
diesel.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
not "slightly" raised, but rather SEVERAL inches. Think of your kitchen
table
raised 4-1/2". It looks like hell. Well, to most people anyway.

now think of a smelly, noisy vibrating belcher under that table, that
sounds
and smells like a 1960's city bus.

btw, BOO!!

btw-2, more people died in your city of residence in the last month of
AIDs
than have died of gasoline engine in a boat in the entire history of
powered
boats.

btw-2, the guy is talking about buying a 20 year old boat at a fine price,
and
you want to talk about improbable events.

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/23/2004 1:09 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

It seems to me that if the choice is between having a slightly raised
table
that looks a little odd and a non-gasoline engine, I would take the diesel
replacement.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I believe it was earlier (or later) made/sold as the Hughs 38.

If I have the right boat in mind, I would personally prefer the original
Atomic
4 engine installed. The engine placement took advantage of the small
size
of
the A/4 (mid cabin for better boat balance). The closest diesel
replacement
(in size) is several inches higher, and the table has to be raised so
much
it
looks out of place.

Again, if it is the boat I think it is, the boat does not back up well
under
power (not really a problem). Some boatyards with absolutely no ethics
at
all
will tell the boat owner that is because the prop is too far forward
(which of
course is a crock of ****) of the rudder and for a mere $X,XXX or
$XX,000
they
will "fix" the problem. Afterwards (when the boat doesn't back up any
better)
the boatyard will tell the owner he needs to "let the boat pick up
speed"
in
reverse for controlability, which of course all that was needed from the
beginning.

The boat is a tad small inside compared to later 38 foot sailboats, but
sure is
a graceful looking boat. Find one with the Atomic 4 still inside, tell
the
seller that gasoline engines blow up thousands of times each year
killing
tens
of thousands of sailors and therefore you wouldn't consider taking his
junk
ready to blow up bomb off his hands for anything more than 30% of his
asking
price. If he quivers and shakes, you may just have a genuine bargain on
your
hands. If he falls to the ground holding his belly laughing his ass
off,
laugh
yourself, help him back up and start talking turkey on the boat. It
probably
is in excellent shape overall.

I'm considering purchasing a 1973 Seafarer 38 Ketch and was wondering
what
people think of them? They sound like a sturdy boat from what I've
heard
so
far.

I know this is what you like to do, which is as you point out not very
smart, but I insist on women.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I don't like gasoline engines in boats.

yet, jg, you will have unprotected sex with yet another guy. How smart is
that?

Where do you get your information... from a comic book no doubt.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
nah. according to a marine insurance company, a **diesel** engine is
something
like 500% more likely to set an engine room on fire than a gas, this
despite
that company's fact that a boat with an inboard engine is close to 20
times
more likely to have a gas engine. keep in mind that almost every last
powerboat
with an inboard engine has a gas engine. Diesels are seldom put in any
boat
other than scared squatless sailboaters (who motor from one anchorage to
another) and some very large powerboats. Virtually every powerboat
capable of
going 35 mph sustained has a gas engine. put a diesel in a 30 foot
powerboat
and the sterm squats down in the water from the extra weight, the upper
boat
speed drops by 30%, the cost of the boat to buy knew goes up by $25,000,
the
cost to repair the engine on a year by year basis goes up 300%, and the
ladies
hold their noses for the smell.

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/23/2004 2:35 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

I don't like gasoline engines in boats. Perhaps if the boat is that
cramped,
it's not much of a boat. It seems to me that a few more inches for a table
isn't that big a deal. If it's a good diesel engine, it's not going to be
vibrating that much. The modern diesels are much improved.

BTW, I don't live in SF.

BTW, it's not an "improbably" event. Gasoline is much more dangerous than
diesel.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
not "slightly" raised, but rather SEVERAL inches. Think of your kitchen
table
raised 4-1/2". It looks like hell. Well, to most people anyway.

now think of a smelly, noisy vibrating belcher under that table, that
sounds
and smells like a 1960's city bus.

btw, BOO!!

btw-2, more people died in your city of residence in the last month of
AIDs
than have died of gasoline engine in a boat in the entire history of
powered
boats.

btw-2, the guy is talking about buying a 20 year old boat at a fine
price,
and
you want to talk about improbable events.

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/23/2004 1:09 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

It seems to me that if the choice is between having a slightly raised
table
that looks a little odd and a non-gasoline engine, I would take the
diesel
replacement.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I believe it was earlier (or later) made/sold as the Hughs 38.

If I have the right boat in mind, I would personally prefer the
original
Atomic
4 engine installed. The engine placement took advantage of the small
size
of
the A/4 (mid cabin for better boat balance). The closest diesel
replacement
(in size) is several inches higher, and the table has to be raised so
much
it
looks out of place.

Again, if it is the boat I think it is, the boat does not back up well
under
power (not really a problem). Some boatyards with absolutely no
ethics
at
all
will tell the boat owner that is because the prop is too far forward
(which of
course is a crock of ****) of the rudder and for a mere $X,XXX or
$XX,000
they
will "fix" the problem. Afterwards (when the boat doesn't back up any
better)
the boatyard will tell the owner he needs to "let the boat pick up
speed"
in
reverse for controlability, which of course all that was needed from
the
beginning.

The boat is a tad small inside compared to later 38 foot sailboats,
but
sure is
a graceful looking boat. Find one with the Atomic 4 still inside,
tell
the
seller that gasoline engines blow up thousands of times each year
killing
tens
of thousands of sailors and therefore you wouldn't consider taking his
junk
ready to blow up bomb off his hands for anything more than 30% of his
asking
price. If he quivers and shakes, you may just have a genuine bargain
on
your
hands. If he falls to the ground holding his belly laughing his ass
off,
laugh
yourself, help him back up and start talking turkey on the boat. It
probably
is in excellent shape overall.

I'm considering purchasing a 1973 Seafarer 38 Ketch and was wondering
what
people think of them? They sound like a sturdy boat from what I've
heard
so
far.

BoatsUS.

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/23/2004 5:53 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Where do you get your information... from a comic book no doubt.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
nah. according to a marine insurance company, a **diesel** engine is
something
like 500% more likely to set an engine room on fire than a gas, this
despite
that company's fact that a boat with an inboard engine is close to 20
times
more likely to have a gas engine. keep in mind that almost every last
powerboat
with an inboard engine has a gas engine. Diesels are seldom put in any
boat
other than scared squatless sailboaters (who motor from one anchorage to
another) and some very large powerboats. Virtually every powerboat
capable of
going 35 mph sustained has a gas engine. put a diesel in a 30 foot
powerboat
and the sterm squats down in the water from the extra weight, the upper
boat
speed drops by 30%, the cost of the boat to buy knew goes up by $25,000,
the
cost to repair the engine on a year by year basis goes up 300%, and the
ladies
hold their noses for the smell.

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/23/2004 2:35 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

I don't like gasoline engines in boats. Perhaps if the boat is that
cramped,
it's not much of a boat. It seems to me that a few more inches for a table
isn't that big a deal. If it's a good diesel engine, it's not going to be
vibrating that much. The modern diesels are much improved.

BTW, I don't live in SF.

BTW, it's not an "improbably" event. Gasoline is much more dangerous than
diesel.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
not "slightly" raised, but rather SEVERAL inches. Think of your kitchen
table
raised 4-1/2". It looks like hell. Well, to most people anyway.

now think of a smelly, noisy vibrating belcher under that table, that
sounds
and smells like a 1960's city bus.

btw, BOO!!

btw-2, more people died in your city of residence in the last month of
AIDs
than have died of gasoline engine in a boat in the entire history of
powered
boats.

btw-2, the guy is talking about buying a 20 year old boat at a fine
price,
and
you want to talk about improbable events.

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/23/2004 1:09 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

It seems to me that if the choice is between having a slightly raised
table
that looks a little odd and a non-gasoline engine, I would take the
diesel
replacement.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I believe it was earlier (or later) made/sold as the Hughs 38.

If I have the right boat in mind, I would personally prefer the
original
Atomic
4 engine installed. The engine placement took advantage of the small
size
of
the A/4 (mid cabin for better boat balance). The closest diesel
replacement
(in size) is several inches higher, and the table has to be raised so
much
it
looks out of place.

Again, if it is the boat I think it is, the boat does not back up well
under
power (not really a problem). Some boatyards with absolutely no
ethics
at
all
will tell the boat owner that is because the prop is too far forward
(which of
course is a crock of ****) of the rudder and for a mere $X,XXX or
$XX,000
they
will "fix" the problem. Afterwards (when the boat doesn't back up any
better)
the boatyard will tell the owner he needs to "let the boat pick up
speed"
in
reverse for controlability, which of course all that was needed from
the
beginning.

The boat is a tad small inside compared to later 38 foot sailboats,
but
sure is
a graceful looking boat. Find one with the Atomic 4 still inside,
tell
the
seller that gasoline engines blow up thousands of times each year
killing
tens
of thousands of sailors and therefore you wouldn't consider taking his
junk
ready to blow up bomb off his hands for anything more than 30% of his
asking
price. If he quivers and shakes, you may just have a genuine bargain
on
your
hands. If he falls to the ground holding his belly laughing his ass
off,
laugh
yourself, help him back up and start talking turkey on the boat. It
probably
is in excellent shape overall.

I'm considering purchasing a 1973 Seafarer 38 Ketch and was wondering
what
people think of them? They sound like a sturdy boat from what I've
heard
so
far.

Where do you get your information... from a comic book no doubt.

--
"j" ganz @@

here you go, scaredie cat. notice that a mere 7% of all boat fires are
gasoline related. consider that 95% of all inboard powered boats in the US of
A are gasoline driven. Consider that most engine room fires on boat related to
the engine are from an overheated **diesel** engine. be even more scared,
dood.

BOO!! your diesel is going to set your boat on fire and you are gonna
DIE!!!!!!

From someone like you who has experience with guys, I guess that makes
sense.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
did you change sides of the bed you get out of recently?

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/23/2004 5:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

I know this is what you like to do, which is as you point out not very
smart, but I insist on women.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I don't like gasoline engines in boats.

yet, jg, you will have unprotected sex with yet another guy. How smart
is
that?

dood, way too many HARD drugs in your past.

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/23/2004 7:58 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

From someone like you who has experience with guys, I guess that makes
sense.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
did you change sides of the bed you get out of recently?

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/23/2004 5:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

I know this is what you like to do, which is as you point out not very
smart, but I insist on women.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I don't like gasoline engines in boats.

yet, jg, you will have unprotected sex with yet another guy. How smart
is
that?

A common cause of truck fires is from power steering fluid leaking
(spraying) onto a hot engine. I've seen two myself.

Scotty

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
nah. according to a marine insurance company, a **diesel** engine
is something
like 500% more likely to set an engine room on fire than a gas, this
despite
that company's fact that a boat with an inboard engine is close to
20 times
more likely to have a gas engine. keep in mind that almost every
last powerboat
with an inboard engine has a gas engine. Diesels are seldom put in
any boat
other than scared squatless sailboaters (who motor from one
anchorage to
another) and some very large powerboats. Virtually every powerboat
capable of
going 35 mph sustained has a gas engine. put a diesel in a 30 foot
powerboat
and the sterm squats down in the water from the extra weight, the
upper boat
speed drops by 30%, the cost of the boat to buy knew goes up by
$25,000, the
cost to repair the engine on a year by year basis goes up 300%, and
the ladies
hold their noses for the smell.

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/23/2004 2:35 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

I don't like gasoline engines in boats. Perhaps if the boat is that
cramped,
it's not much of a boat. It seems to me that a few more inches for
a table
isn't that big a deal. If it's a good diesel engine, it's not going
to be
vibrating that much. The modern diesels are much improved.

BTW, I don't live in SF.

BTW, it's not an "improbably" event. Gasoline is much more
dangerous than
diesel.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
not "slightly" raised, but rather SEVERAL inches. Think of your
kitchen
table
raised 4-1/2". It looks like hell. Well, to most people anyway.

now think of a smelly, noisy vibrating belcher under that table,
that
sounds
and smells like a 1960's city bus.

btw, BOO!!

btw-2, more people died in your city of residence in the last
month of
AIDs
than have died of gasoline engine in a boat in the entire history
of
powered
boats.

btw-2, the guy is talking about buying a 20 year old boat at a
fine price,
and
you want to talk about improbable events.

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/23/2004 1:09 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

It seems to me that if the choice is between having a slightly
raised
table
that looks a little odd and a non-gasoline engine, I would take
the diesel
replacement.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I believe it was earlier (or later) made/sold as the Hughs 38.

If I have the right boat in mind, I would personally prefer the
original
Atomic
4 engine installed. The engine placement took advantage of the
small
size
of
the A/4 (mid cabin for better boat balance). The closest
diesel
replacement
(in size) is several inches higher, and the table has to be
raised so
much
it
looks out of place.

Again, if it is the boat I think it is, the boat does not back
up well
under
power (not really a problem). Some boatyards with absolutely
no ethics
at
all
will tell the boat owner that is because the prop is too far
forward
(which of
course is a crock of ****) of the rudder and for a mere $X,XXX
or
$XX,000
they
will "fix" the problem. Afterwards (when the boat doesn't back
up any
better)
the boatyard will tell the owner he needs to "let the boat pick
up
speed"
in
reverse for controlability, which of course all that was needed
from the
beginning.

The boat is a tad small inside compared to later 38 foot
sailboats, but
sure is
a graceful looking boat. Find one with the Atomic 4 still
inside, tell
the
seller that gasoline engines blow up thousands of times each
year
killing
tens
of thousands of sailors and therefore you wouldn't consider
taking his
junk
ready to blow up bomb off his hands for anything more than 30%
of his
asking
price. If he quivers and shakes, you may just have a genuine
bargain on
your
hands. If he falls to the ground holding his belly laughing
his ass
off,
laugh
yourself, help him back up and start talking turkey on the
boat. It
probably
is in excellent shape overall.

I'm considering purchasing a 1973 Seafarer 38 Ketch and was
wondering
what
people think of them? They sound like a sturdy boat from what
I've
heard
so
far.

how did we go from boats to a discussion on sex preferences?

Those fags brought AIDs upon themselves. Their
deviant behavior spreads the disease. It is God's
punishment for their sins.

CN - aka Bob Crantz


"JAXAshby" wrote in message ...
how did we go from boats to a discussion on sex preferences?


easy. a typical single man in San Fransisco man -- such as ganz -- is several
thousand times more likely to die of AIDs than any guy in the rest of the US of
A is likely to die getting hit by meteor or gas engine malfunction on a
sailboat.

I'm sorry for you.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
dood, way too many HARD drugs in my past.

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/23/2004 7:58 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

From someone like you who has experience with guys, I guess that makes
sense.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
did you change sides of the bed you get out of recently?

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/23/2004 5:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

I know this is what you like to do, which is as you point out not very
smart, but I insist on women.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I don't like gasoline engines in boats.

yet, jg, you will have unprotected sex with yet another guy. How
smart
is
that?

Interesting question... this a typical sort of response from the pinheads
here.

--
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www.sailnow.com

"Gammara2" wrote in message
...
how did we go from boats to a discussion on sex preferences?

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
how did we go from boats to a discussion on sex preferences?


easy. a typical single man in San Fransisco man -- such as myself-- is
several
thousand times more likely to die of AIDs than any guy in the rest of the
US of
A is likely to die getting hit by meteor or gas engine malfunction on a
sailboat.

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...


Those fags brought AIDs upon themselves. Their
deviant behavior spreads the disease. It is God's
punishment for their sins.

CN - aka Bob Crantz


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
how did we go from boats to a discussion on sex preferences?

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:52:48 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap:

I know this is what you like to do, which is as you point out not very
smart, but I insist on women.


Insist on women for what? Having sex with your boyfriends?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:59:59 -0500, "Scott Vernon"
wrote this crap:

A common cause of truck fires is from power steering fluid leaking
(spraying) onto a hot engine. I've seen two myself.


You need a spark to set the fluid on fire.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

actually, ghanse, when speaking of risk it MUST be compared to other risks to
have any meaning at all. sailing a gasoline powered boat gives the sailor a
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARR greater chance of dying of skin cancer than dying of a
fuel related accident.

In fact, sailing a diesel powered boat gives the sailor a FAAAAAAR greater
chance of setting his eninge room on fire (due to an overheated engine. an
overheated gas engine quits, an overheated diesel will keep on overheating
everything in sight for a looooooooong time).

You are welcome to search the CG records for the last two or three decades to
see if you can find even one incident of a fatality on a sailboat caused by a
gas engine. if you include gas powerboats, you will find the fatality rate is
about 1% of the rate of deaths caused by falling overboard. Even then the
number of deaths per year total is less than the number of murders in
Washington DC. Do you stay out of the capital because you are frightened of
getting killed? If you did, your family would drag you to see a shrink. Yet,
you are indeed terrified by gasoline.

How about kayaks? Do you own a kayak? Would you paddle one around if someone
gave you one? Well, kayaking is far and away the most dangerous form of
boating.

Happy paddling.

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/24/2004 2:44 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Interesting question... this a typical sort of response from the pinheads
here.

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"Gammara2" wrote in message
...
how did we go from boats to a discussion on sex preferences?

why? It was not me who used hard drugs.

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/24/2004 2:43 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

I'm sorry for you.

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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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dood, way too many HARD drugs in my past.

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/23/2004 7:58 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

From someone like you who has experience with guys, I guess that makes
sense.

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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
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did you change sides of the bed you get out of recently?

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/23/2004 5:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

I know this is what you like to do, which is as you point out not very
smart, but I insist on women.

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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I don't like gasoline engines in boats.

yet, jg, you will have unprotected sex with yet another guy. How
smart
is
that?

A common cause of truck fires is from power steering fluid leaking
(spraying) onto a hot engine. I've seen two myself.


You need a spark to set the fluid on fire.

no. fluid you will not set on fire. vapor you set on fire, and all you need
to do that is a temp greater than the vapor's ignition temp.

You need a spark to set the fluid on fire.

horvath, diesel engines have no spark, yet a diesel engine sets the "fluid"on
fire every power stroke of every cylinder. It is the temperature you need, not
the spark.

"Horvath" stupidly wrote this crap:

A common cause of truck fires is from power steering fluid leaking
(spraying) onto a hot engine. I've seen two myself.


You need a spark to set the fluid on fire.


He he. Tell that to Rudolf Diesel.

I'm sure Jax can set you straight.

--
Merry Christmas......
Scotty

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:52:48 -0800, "JG" wrote
this crap:

I know this is what you like to do, which is as you point out not very
smart, but I insist on women.


Having sex with my boyfriends?





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
actually, ghanse, when speaking of risk it MUST be compared to other risks
to
have any meaning at all. sailing a gasoline powered boat gives the sailor
a
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARR greater chance of dying of skin cancer than dying
of a
fuel related accident.

In fact, sailing a diesel powered boat gives the sailor a FAAAAAAR greater
chance of setting his eninge room on fire (due to an overheated engine.
an
overheated gas engine quits, an overheated diesel will keep on overheating
everything in sight for a looooooooong time).

You are welcome to search the CG records for the last two or three decades
to
see if you can find even one incident of a fatality on a sailboat caused
by a
gas engine. if you include gas powerboats, you will find the fatality
rate is
about 1% of the rate of deaths caused by falling overboard. Even then the
number of deaths per year total is less than the number of murders in
Washington DC. Do you stay out of the capital because you are frightened
of
getting killed? If you did, your family would drag you to see a shrink.
Yet,
you are indeed terrified by gasoline.

How about kayaks? Do you own a kayak? Would you paddle one around if
someone
gave you one? Well, kayaking is far and away the most dangerous form of
boating.

Happy paddling.

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/24/2004 2:44 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Interesting question... this a typical sort of response from the pinheads
here.

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"Gammara2" wrote in message
...
how did we go from boats to a discussion on sex preferences?

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/24/2004 2:43 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

I'm sorry for you.

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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
dood, way too many HARD drugs in my past.

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/23/2004 7:58 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

From someone like you who has experience with guys, I guess that makes
sense.

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"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
did you change sides of the bed you get out of recently?

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/23/2004 5:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

I know this is what you like to do, which is as you point out not very
smart, but I insist on women.

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www.sailnow.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I don't like gasoline engines in boats.

yet, jg, you will have unprotected sex with yet another guy. How
smart
is
that?

On 24 Dec 2004 14:11:59 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote this
crap:

You need a spark to set the fluid on fire.

horvath, diesel engines have no spark, yet a diesel engine sets the "fluid"on
fire every power stroke of every cylinder. It is the temperature you need, not
the spark.

Diesels use fuel injectors to vaporize the fuel, and very high
pressure to ignite it. yer not going to get that combination in your
engine compartment.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Horvath" wrote
Diesels use fuel injectors to vaporize the fuel, and very high
pressure to ignite it. yer not going to get that combination in your
engine compartment.

pretty close.
the injectors only atomize the fuel - heat of compression vaporizes and
ignites.
Scout

horvath, you wish to check of the ignition temp of diesel fuel, not to mention
engine oil and other things found in an engine room. then you might wish to
check the meaning of the term "ignition temperature".

keep up, Forrest.

From: Horvath
Date: 12/24/2004 3:12 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On 24 Dec 2004 14:11:59 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote this
crap:

You need a spark to set the fluid on fire.

horvath, diesel engines have no spark, yet a diesel engine sets the
"fluid"on
fire every power stroke of every cylinder. It is the temperature you need,
not
the spark.

Diesels use fuel injectors to vaporize the fuel, and very high
pressure to ignite it. yer not going to get that combination in your
engine compartment.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On 24 Dec 2004 14:11:59 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote this
crap:

You need a spark to set the fluid on fire.

horvath, diesel engines have no spark, yet a diesel engine sets the
"fluid"on
fire every power stroke of every cylinder. It is the temperature
you need, not
the spark.

Diesels use fuel injectors to vaporize the fuel, and very high
pressure to ignite it. yer not going to get that combination in
your
engine compartment.


Wrong!

On 24 Dec 2004 20:55:32 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote this
crap:

horvath, you wish to check of the ignition temp of diesel fuel, not to mention
engine oil and other things found in an engine room. then you might wish to
check the meaning of the term "ignition temperature".



Report presents the results of a study of variations in ignition lag
and combustion associated with changes in air temperature and density
for a diesel fuel in a constant-volume bomb. The test results have
been discussed in terms of engine performance wherever comparisons
could be drawn. The most important conclusions drawn from this
investigation a the ignition lag was essentially independent of the
injected fuel quantity. Extrapolation of the curves for the fuel used
shows that the lag could not be greatly decreased by exceeding the
compression-ignition engines. In order to obtain the best combustion
and thermal efficiency, it was desirable to use the longest ignition
lag consistent with a permissible rate of pressure rise.


Flash Point

The flash point temperature of diesel fuel is the minimum temperature
at which the fuel will ignite (flash) on application of an ignition
source under specified conditions. Flash point varies inversely with
the fuel’s volatility. Flash point minimum temperatures are required
for proper safety and handling of diesel fuel. Due to its higher flash
point temperature, diesel fuel is inherently safer than many other
fuels such as gasoline.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Forget it Horvath, Jaxass is an idiot.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On 24 Dec 2004 20:55:32 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote this
crap:

horvath, you wish to check of the ignition temp of diesel fuel, not to
mention
engine oil and other things found in an engine room. then you might wish
to
check the meaning of the term "ignition temperature".



Report presents the results of a study of variations in ignition lag
and combustion associated with changes in air temperature and density
for a diesel fuel in a constant-volume bomb. The test results have
been discussed in terms of engine performance wherever comparisons
could be drawn. The most important conclusions drawn from this
investigation a the ignition lag was essentially independent of the
injected fuel quantity. Extrapolation of the curves for the fuel used
shows that the lag could not be greatly decreased by exceeding the
compression-ignition engines. In order to obtain the best combustion
and thermal efficiency, it was desirable to use the longest ignition
lag consistent with a permissible rate of pressure rise.


Flash Point

The flash point temperature of diesel fuel is the minimum temperature
at which the fuel will ignite (flash) on application of an ignition
source under specified conditions. Flash point varies inversely with
the fuel's volatility. Flash point minimum temperatures are required
for proper safety and handling of diesel fuel. Due to its higher flash
point temperature, diesel fuel is inherently safer than many other
fuels such as gasoline.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

horvath, you seem to have no clew what you are reading. **IF** you did, you
would notice that diesel fuel vapor at or above its ignition temperature will,
no frickin' squat, ignite. duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.

what the hell have you been since the early 13th century, dood.

From: Horvath
Date: 12/24/2004 9:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On 24 Dec 2004 20:55:32 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote this
crap:

horvath, you wish to check of the ignition temp of diesel fuel, not to
mention
engine oil and other things found in an engine room. then you might wish to
check the meaning of the term "ignition temperature".



Report presents the results of a study of variations in ignition lag
and combustion associated with changes in air temperature and density
for a diesel fuel in a constant-volume bomb. The test results have
been discussed in terms of engine performance wherever comparisons
could be drawn. The most important conclusions drawn from this
investigation a the ignition lag was essentially independent of the
injected fuel quantity. Extrapolation of the curves for the fuel used
shows that the lag could not be greatly decreased by exceeding the
compression-ignition engines. In order to obtain the best combustion
and thermal efficiency, it was desirable to use the longest ignition
lag consistent with a permissible rate of pressure rise.


Flash Point

The flash point temperature of diesel fuel is the minimum temperature
at which the fuel will ignite (flash) on application of an ignition
source under specified conditions. Flash point varies inversely with
the fuel’s volatility. Flash point minimum temperatures are required
for proper safety and handling of diesel fuel. Due to its higher flash
point temperature, diesel fuel is inherently safer than many other
fuels such as gasoline.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

hey fagot, *plainly* YOU do _NOT_ understand the discussion. go play with your
inflatable boy.

From: "JG" lid
Date: 12/25/2004 1:16 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Forget it Horvath, Jaxass is an idiot.

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"Horvath" wrote in message
.. .
On 24 Dec 2004 20:55:32 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote this
crap:

horvath, you wish to check of the ignition temp of diesel fuel, not to
mention
engine oil and other things found in an engine room. then you might wish
to
check the meaning of the term "ignition temperature".



Report presents the results of a study of variations in ignition lag
and combustion associated with changes in air temperature and density
for a diesel fuel in a constant-volume bomb. The test results have
been discussed in terms of engine performance wherever comparisons
could be drawn. The most important conclusions drawn from this
investigation a the ignition lag was essentially independent of the
injected fuel quantity. Extrapolation of the curves for the fuel used
shows that the lag could not be greatly decreased by exceeding the
compression-ignition engines. In order to obtain the best combustion
and thermal efficiency, it was desirable to use the longest ignition
lag consistent with a permissible rate of pressure rise.


Flash Point

The flash point temperature of diesel fuel is the minimum temperature
at which the fuel will ignite (flash) on application of an ignition
source under specified conditions. Flash point varies inversely with
the fuel's volatility. Flash point minimum temperatures are required
for proper safety and handling of diesel fuel. Due to its higher flash
point temperature, diesel fuel is inherently safer than many other
fuels such as gasoline.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

"Horvath" wrote
Flash Point
The flash point temperature of diesel fuel is the minimum temperature
at which the fuel will ignite (flash) on application of an ignition
source under specified conditions. Flash point varies inversely with
the fuel's volatility. Flash point minimum temperatures are required
for proper safety and handling of diesel fuel. Due to its higher flash
point temperature, diesel fuel is inherently safer than many other
fuels such as gasoline.

Diesel is an inherently safer fuel only because its flash point in
significantly lower than that of gasoline. I've watch a (idiot!) diesel tank
driver throw a lighted match into a 7000 gallon tank of #2 fuel to prove
that in a discussion. I don't recommend that, however.
The flash point of #2 fuel (diesel) is 110 deg Fahr, significantly higher
than that of gasoline (- 45 deg Fahr), which is right around the boiling
points of R-22 and Propane! Gasoline is more volatile, but once past its
flash point, diesel packs more punch (more btu content).
I think part of the explanation for diesel fires is that people become
complacent due to diesel's initial forgiveness factor. Let's not forget that
it was a fuel characteristically close to diesel that took down the towers
on 911.
Scout

typo - I meant to say, "diesel's flash point is HIGHER!"
Hey, it's only 4:42 AM here!
and it's Christmas, Merry Christmas!

Diesel is an inherently safer fuel only because its flash point in
significantly lower than that of gasoline.