I've watch a (idiot!) diesel tank
driver throw a lighted match into a 7000 gallon tank of #2 fuel to prove
that in a discussion.

I know people who state bluntly they have seen people put out cigarettes in
open can of gasoline. Same concept. No vapor, no chance of ignition. I'd be
damned tho if I would stand around to watch it.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
I've watch a (idiot!) diesel tank
driver throw a lighted match into a 7000 gallon tank of #2 fuel to prove
that in a discussion.

I know people who state bluntly they have seen people put out cigarettes
in
open can of gasoline. Same concept. No vapor, no chance of ignition. I'd
be
damned tho if I would stand around to watch it.

Agreed.
If I had known what that moron was planning to do, I'd have high tailed it.
Scout

On 25 Dec 2004 06:34:28 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote this
crap:

horvath, you seem to have no clew what you are reading. **IF** you did, you
would notice that diesel fuel vapor at or above its ignition temperature will,
no frickin' squat, ignite. duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.


That's what *I've* been trying to tell you, dumbass.



what the hell have you been since the early 13th century, dood.

From: Horvath
Date: 12/24/2004 9:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On 24 Dec 2004 20:55:32 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote this
crap:

horvath, you wish to check of the ignition temp of diesel fuel, not to
mention
engine oil and other things found in an engine room. then you might wish to
check the meaning of the term "ignition temperature".



Report presents the results of a study of variations in ignition lag
and combustion associated with changes in air temperature and density
for a diesel fuel in a constant-volume bomb. The test results have
been discussed in terms of engine performance wherever comparisons
could be drawn. The most important conclusions drawn from this
investigation a the ignition lag was essentially independent of the
injected fuel quantity. Extrapolation of the curves for the fuel used
shows that the lag could not be greatly decreased by exceeding the
compression-ignition engines. In order to obtain the best combustion
and thermal efficiency, it was desirable to use the longest ignition
lag consistent with a permissible rate of pressure rise.


Flash Point

The flash point temperature of diesel fuel is the minimum temperature
at which the fuel will ignite (flash) on application of an ignition
source under specified conditions. Flash point varies inversely with
the fuel’s volatility. Flash point minimum temperatures are required
for proper safety and handling of diesel fuel. Due to its higher flash
point temperature, diesel fuel is inherently safer than many other
fuels such as gasoline.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!










Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

On 25 Dec 2004 06:37:03 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote this
crap:

Due to its higher flash
point temperature, diesel fuel is inherently safer than many other
fuels such as gasoline.



what a crock of ****. 200 degree diesel fuel is just as dangerous as 200
degree gasoline, or acetone, or benzene, or methanol, or ethanol, or propane,
or butane. once the damned stuff gets beyond its flash point it catches fire,
el stew ped oh.


Yer a ****ing retard, and there's no use discussing this anymore.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

JAXAshby wrote:

once the damned stuff gets beyond its flash point it catches fire,


Wanna work on that one for a while ... you got a lot of work to do
before you can call - anyone - stupid.

Rick

flip flop. congrats horvath. you have seen the light. unless, of course, you
STILL insist that diesel vapor can not ignite without a spark.

From: Horvath
Date: 12/25/2004 10:07 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On 25 Dec 2004 06:34:28 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote this
crap:

horvath, you seem to have no clew what you are reading. **IF** you did, you
would notice that diesel fuel vapor at or above its ignition temperature
will,
no frickin' squat, ignite. duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh.


That's what *I've* been trying to tell you, dumbass.



what the hell have you been since the early 13th century, dood.

From: Horvath
Date: 12/24/2004 9:38 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On 24 Dec 2004 20:55:32 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote this
crap:

horvath, you wish to check of the ignition temp of diesel fuel, not to
mention
engine oil and other things found in an engine room. then you might wish
to
check the meaning of the term "ignition temperature".



Report presents the results of a study of variations in ignition lag
and combustion associated with changes in air temperature and density
for a diesel fuel in a constant-volume bomb. The test results have
been discussed in terms of engine performance wherever comparisons
could be drawn. The most important conclusions drawn from this
investigation a the ignition lag was essentially independent of the
injected fuel quantity. Extrapolation of the curves for the fuel used
shows that the lag could not be greatly decreased by exceeding the
compression-ignition engines. In order to obtain the best combustion
and thermal efficiency, it was desirable to use the longest ignition
lag consistent with a permissible rate of pressure rise.


Flash Point

The flash point temperature of diesel fuel is the minimum temperature
at which the fuel will ignite (flash) on application of an ignition
source under specified conditions. Flash point varies inversely with
the fuel’s volatility. Flash point minimum temperatures are required
for proper safety and handling of diesel fuel. Due to its higher flash
point temperature, diesel fuel is inherently safer than many other
fuels such as gasoline.




Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!










Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

keep up, Forrest.

From: Horvath
Date: 12/25/2004 10:08 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On 25 Dec 2004 06:37:03 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote this
crap:

Due to its higher flash
point temperature, diesel fuel is inherently safer than many other
fuels such as gasoline.



what a crock of ****. 200 degree diesel fuel is just as dangerous as 200
degree gasoline, or acetone, or benzene, or methanol, or ethanol, or
propane,
or butane. once the damned stuff gets beyond its flash point it catches
fire,
el stew ped oh.


Yer a ****ing retard, and there's no use discussing this anymore.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

of course, rickie jetcap comic book reader. I bow to your superior knowledge.
Of course diesel fuel at or above its flash point is incapable of burning. It
doesn't work that way in a diesel engine for sure. There are little green
elves inside a diesel engine pushing the pistons up and down with the help of
reindeer.

From: jetcap
Date: 12/25/2004 11:01 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:

once the damned stuff gets beyond its flash point it catches fire,


Wanna work on that one for a while ... you got a lot of work to do
before you can call - anyone - stupid.

Rick

I think I see where some of the contention lies (or maybe not). Reaching
flash point or slightly above doesn't guarantee a flame. Additional heat is
still needed to ignite; could be from compression or a spark.
Flash point then is the lowest temperature at which the vapor of a
combustible liquid CAN be ignited in air.
Scout


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
of course, rickie jetcap comic book reader. I bow to your superior
knowledge.
Of course diesel fuel at or above its flash point is incapable of burning.
It
doesn't work that way in a diesel engine for sure. There are little green
elves inside a diesel engine pushing the pistons up and down with the help
of
reindeer.

From: jetcap
Date: 12/25/2004 11:01 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:

once the damned stuff gets beyond its flash point it catches fire,


Wanna work on that one for a while ... you got a lot of work to do
before you can call - anyone - stupid.

Rick

I think I see where some of the contention lies (or maybe not). Reaching
flash point or slightly above doesn't guarantee a flame. Additional heat is
still needed to ignite; could be from compression or a spark.
Flash point then is the lowest temperature at which the vapor of a
combustible liquid CAN be ignited in air.
Scout

And, there are more than enough things in a diesel engine room to set the
vapors to fire. In fact, according to a marine insurance company, other than
electrical fire, far and away most inboard boat engine room fires are on diesel
boats. The damned things overheat and just keep on running and running and
running, setting things on fire thus triggering the Halon fire extingusher
which kills the fire but not the diesel engine which keeps on overheating and
restarting the fires. Spray some diesel fuel around the overheated engine room
and the boat burns to the waterline, the passengers in the water trying to swim
away from the burning fuel flowing towards them.

whore vath thinks a diesel engine can't set a boat on fire, but he won't even
bother to look at the insurance company facts listed a couple days ago in this
very thread.




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
of course, rickie jetcap comic book reader. I bow to your superior
knowledge.
Of course diesel fuel at or above its flash point is incapable of burning.
It
doesn't work that way in a diesel engine for sure. There are little green
elves inside a diesel engine pushing the pistons up and down with the help
of
reindeer.

From: jetcap
Date: 12/25/2004 11:01 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:

once the damned stuff gets beyond its flash point it catches fire,


Wanna work on that one for a while ... you got a lot of work to do
before you can call - anyone - stupid.

Rick