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Neal Warren, Master Mariner
He holds a Master Coast Guard License. You can't be a druggie or looney to
get one. In other words if you have one you are probably not going to hell! Amen Bob Crantz |
"Bob Crantz" wrote in message k.net... He holds a Master Coast Guard License. You can't be a druggie or looney to get one. In other words if you have one you are probably not going to hell! Amen Bob Crantz I think you inadvertently hit the nail on the head. To my best knowledge, The Gay Psychotic One does not hold a USCG license of any sort and this is could be due to his inability to demonstrate he is drug free and has never used in his younger years. There is a very thorough FBI background check that would uncover any past drug conviction, stays in a Looney bin, any criminal activity such as child molestation, rape and other deviant behavior. It follows that those of us who hold a valid USCG license are fine, upstanding and moral citizens worthy of being officers in the Merchant Marine service. God Bless the U.S. Coast Guard and all our fine military branches. CN |
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Bob Crantz" Date: 12/16/2004 11:50 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: t He holds a Master Coast Guard License. You can't be a druggie or looney to get one. In other words if you have one you are probably not going to hell! A Master's license does not make one a Master Mariner. Not even an unlimited Master's license does that. Capt. |
CaptMMA wrote: Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner From: "Bob Crantz" Date: 12/16/2004 11:50 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: t A Master's license does not make one a Master Mariner. Not even an unlimited Master's license does that. That all depends on who defines "Master" According to the USCG you are a "master of" But according to the Sea....no one will master her.... ever.... You sign your post as Capt. Are you a licenced Capt, or just another Bobspirt like Capt? Joe Capt. |
CaptMMA wrote: Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner From: "Joe" Date: 12/19/2004 6:54 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: .com CaptMMA wrote: Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner From: "Bob Crantz" Date: 12/16/2004 11:50 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: t A Master's license does not make one a Master Mariner. Not even an unlimited Master's license does that. That all depends on who defines "Master" According to the USCG you are a "master of" But according to the Sea....no one will master her.... ever.... You sign your post as Capt. Are you a licenced Capt, or just another Bobspirt like Capt? Joe The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a USCG term. I'm licensed, but do not sign my post because of that, rather, because I've sailed as that. The term of address - Captain - applies to any Master of a vessel. However, the term Master Mariner, only applies to those with unlimited licenses and there are some variations within the industry as to it's use even for them. WOW thats very strange...My USCG Licences calls me a "Master of Freight and Towing Vessels of not more than 1,600 ton upon oceans not more than 200 miles offshore". The CG call me one.... and it is a limited license. So you sir..... are full of ****! Another Bobspirt Capt. Joe Capt. |
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe" WOW thats very strange...My USCG Licences calls me a "Master of Freight and Towing Vessels of not more than 1,600 ton upon oceans not more than 200 miles offshore". The CG call me one.... and it is a limited license. So you sir..... are full of ****! Another Bobspirt Capt. Joe The term being discussed, is "Master Mariner" not "Master". I'm glad for you that the CG now calls you a Master, but that has nothing to do with your being called a Master Mariner, which you're not and with your license, never will be. Capt |
Forget Joey. He can barely read.
-- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "CaptMMA" wrote in message ... Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner From: "Joe" WOW thats very strange...My USCG Licences calls me a "Master of Freight and Towing Vessels of not more than 1,600 ton upon oceans not more than 200 miles offshore". The CG call me one.... and it is a limited license. So you sir..... are full of ****! Another Bobspirt Capt. Joe The term being discussed, is "Master Mariner" not "Master". I'm glad for you that the CG now calls you a Master, but that has nothing to do with your being called a Master Mariner, which you're not and with your license, never will be. Capt |
So who defines the term Master Mariner?
In what profession is the term used, and who defines who deserves such a high ranking? Inquiring minds want to know. Joe |
Oh...Let me guess... your a Master Mariner.
And you may be one if it is defined as a once in a while weekend warrior sailing a gay, cheap, throw away quality Cal 20 ....while wearing a Capt Stubing style Capt. Cap. and white jacket with gold bars and tassels on the sholder. Guess you have your student saluting you, and piping you aboard. Joe |
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe" Date: 12/20/2004 6:48 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: .com So who defines the term Master Mariner? In what profession is the term used, and who defines who deserves such a high ranking? Inquiring minds want to know. Joe The term is a Merchant Marine one, that has been around since long before you or I ever started getting licenses. I have never done a study as to exactly where and when this term started (maybe someday) and don't doubt that it was used long before the issuance of licenses as we now know them. However, within the time frame of licenses, this term has been used to describe those with unlimited licenses, be they sail or power (some say the reqirement is both) who have sailed in that position on a vessel requiring that license. This is a Merchant Marine industry standard which you should be aware is not based on some governing body or formal organization's input. Instead it comes from those license holders in the past and possibly some societies/groups consisting of licensed individuals within the industry. If you look at some of the older USMM licenses issued by the CG, you'll note that they did not use the present form headlining the term Master. Many of the limited license were listed as "Operator". Capt. |
God grants the title of Master Mariner:
http://www.lronhubbard.org/yachtsmn/cont.htm Amen! Bob Crantz "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... So who defines the term Master Mariner? In what profession is the term used, and who defines who deserves such a high ranking? Inquiring minds want to know. Joe |
"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com... Oh...Let me guess... your a Master Mariner. And you may be one if it is defined as a once in a while weekend warrior sailing a gay, cheap, throw away quality Cal 20 ....while wearing a Capt Stubing style Capt. Cap. and white jacket with gold bars and tassels on the sholder. Guess you have your student saluting you, and piping you aboard. Joe |
You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a
USCG term". Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ? And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators " licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my Masters. And a Masters License can be limited. Mine is. I would guess Masters' is an equal to the time and effort spent to get a masters degree at the USMM academy. Your term Master Mariner is a Lubbery term used by wannabes that do not understand anything about the term Master and it's proper use. Popeye was a master mariner, and you can call your yacht buddy that conned you into it a "Master Mariner" just like Bobspirt calls himself Capt. But the only ones that matter.. are the rankings that the USMM / USCG sets down as a standard to rank the abilities of professionals legally found fit to be hired to accomplish the required task. Joe |
This Hubbard fellow also is called a Yachtsman.
Therefore he can not be a Master Mariner. Joe |
Read about the man, not just the web page title:
Who is Ron Hubbard? Who's Who in America replies: "Hubbard, Lafayette Ronald, author, explorer, officer U.S. Naval Reserve; born Tilden, Neb, March 13, 1911;... graduate Swavely Prep School, Manassas, Va; commander, Caribbean Motion Picture Expedition, 1932; commander, West Indies Minerals Survey Expedition, 1932-33; writer of articles and fiction for magazines under his own name and six pen names; commander, Alaskan Radio Experimental Expedition, 1940; lieutenant U.S. Naval Reserve, 1941; served in Asiatic until spring, 1942; in command of escort vessels in North Atlantic Ocean, summer and fall, 1942; commander escorts in Pacific, 1943; licensed commercial glider pilot; master of motor vessels; master of sailing vessels (any ocean); licensed radio operator; past president American Fiction Guild; member Authors League of America, Explorers Club, Theta Tau, Phi Theta Xi. Author: Buckskin Brigades, 1936. Co-author: Through Hell and High Water, 1941. Contributor of articles and fiction to 72 magazines, mostly action books, adventure, sea stories and fantasy. Considers his greatest achievement is having scaled Mt. Pelée in Martinique at night. Home: Explorers Club, New York, NY." That is only the tip of the iceberg! Amen! Bob Crantz "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... This Hubbard fellow also is called a Yachtsman. Therefore he can not be a Master Mariner. Joe |
Wow, finally a Gaynz reply that's not gayed up.
Scotty "JG" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Oh...Let me guess... your a Master Mariner. And you may be one if it is defined as a once in a while weekend warrior sailing a gay, cheap, throw away quality Cal 20 ....while wearing a Capt Stubing style Capt. Cap. and white jacket with gold bars and tassels on the sholder. Guess you have your student saluting you, and piping you aboard. Joe |
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe" You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a USCG term". Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ? No. I'm calling it an industry, like carpentry, medical, airline, etc.. And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators " licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my Masters. So did a lot of people, so what? And a Masters License can be limited. Mine is. Again, so what? The term Master Mariner relates to unlimited licenses. I would guess Masters' is an equal to the time and effort spent to get a masters degree at the USMM academy. If you think the term Master as it applies to a ship or the license has something to do with a college degree, you're sadly misinformed. Your term Master Mariner is a Lubbery term used by wannabes that do not understand anything about the term Master and it's proper use. If you think it's a "lubbery" term, then you know less about it than I thought. Popeye was a master mariner, and you can call your yacht buddy that conned you into it a "Master Mariner" just like Bobspirt calls himself Capt. You seem hell bent on making stupid assumptions on a subject you seem to know little about. But the only ones that matter.. are the rankings that the USMM / USCG sets down as a standard to rank the abilities of professionals legally found fit to be hired to accomplish the required task. Joe Half true. I couldn't care less as to what the USCG thinks of the term Master Mariner. Capt. |
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
... Wow, finally a Gaynz reply that's not gayed up. Scotty "JG" wrote in message ... "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Oh...Let me guess... your a Master Mariner. And you may be one if it is defined as a once in a while weekend warrior sailing a gay, cheap, throw away quality Cal 20 ....while wearing a Capt Stubing style Capt. Cap. and white jacket with gold bars and tassels on the sholder. Guess you have your student saluting you, and piping you aboard. Joe |
CaptMMA wrote: Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner From: "Joe" You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a USCG term". Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ? No. I'm calling it an industry, like carpentry, medical, airline, etc.. Then it's a trade, not an industry. I see it more as a branch of the service myself. And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators " licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my Masters. So did a lot of people, so what? You said Operator was an Old tern used before Masters, your wrong, you can still set for an ocean operator dufass. And a Masters License can be limited. Mine is. Again, so what? The term Master Mariner relates to unlimited licenses. BULL****. The USMM/USCG has no title of Master Mariner. And they have never had that title. Where are you getting your information? Yacht Club. I would guess Masters' is an equal to the time and effort spent to get a masters degree at the USMM academy. If you think the term Master as it applies to a ship or the license has something to do with a college degree, you're sadly misinformed. No ****, but the time required is similar. Some people can hop on a 300 ton boat and master the vessel and crew, but that has nothing to do with getting a Master licences or the made up title of Master Mariner. Your term Master Mariner is a Lubbery term used by wannabes that do not understand anything about the term Master and it's proper use. If you think it's a "lubbery" term, then you know less about it than I thought. I suspect you wonder the docks dressed in a white sailor suit completed with a cap full of scrambled eggs and a little anchor on your lapel right?. Again it's a generic lubbery term used by lubbers in awe. Popeye was a master mariner, and you can call your yacht buddy that conned you into it a "Master Mariner" just like Bobspirt calls himself Capt. You seem hell bent on making stupid assumptions on a subject you seem to know little about. You seem to no nothing. But the only ones that matter.. are the rankings that the USMM / USCG sets down as a standard to rank the abilities of professionals legally found fit to be hired to accomplish the required task. Joe Half true. I couldn't care less as to what the USCG thinks of the term Master Mariner. They do not think about it, get it thru your numb skull... it is a made up title used by wannabee's like YOU! Joe Capt. |
CaptMMA wrote: Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner From: "Joe" You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a USCG term". Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ? No. I'm calling it an industry, like carpentry, medical, airline, etc.. Then it's a trade, not an industry. I see it more as a branch of the service myself. And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators " licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my Masters. So did a lot of people, so what? You said Operator was an Old tern used before Masters, your wrong, you can still set for an ocean operator dufass. And a Masters License can be limited. Mine is. Again, so what? The term Master Mariner relates to unlimited licenses. BULL****. The USMM/USCG has no title of Master Mariner. And they have never had that title. Where are you getting your information? Yacht Club. I would guess Masters' is an equal to the time and effort spent to get a masters degree at the USMM academy. If you think the term Master as it applies to a ship or the license has something to do with a college degree, you're sadly misinformed. No ****, but the time required is similar. Some people can hop on a 300 ton boat and master the vessel and crew, but that has nothing to do with getting a Master licences or the made up title of Master Mariner. Your term Master Mariner is a Lubbery term used by wannabes that do not understand anything about the term Master and it's proper use. If you think it's a "lubbery" term, then you know less about it than I thought. I suspect you wonder the docks dressed in a white sailor suit completed with a cap full of scrambled eggs and a little anchor on your lapel right?. Again it's a generic lubbery term used by lubbers in awe. Popeye was a master mariner, and you can call your yacht buddy that conned you into it a "Master Mariner" just like Bobspirt calls himself Capt. You seem hell bent on making stupid assumptions on a subject you seem to know little about. You seem to no nothing. But the only ones that matter.. are the rankings that the USMM / USCG sets down as a standard to rank the abilities of professionals legally found fit to be hired to accomplish the required task. Joe Half true. I couldn't care less as to what the USCG thinks of the term Master Mariner. They do not think about it, get it thru your numb skull... it is a made up title used by wannabee's like YOU! Joe |
CaptMMA wrote:
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner From: "Joe" You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a USCG term". Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ? No. I'm calling it an industry, like carpentry, medical, airline, etc.. Then it's a trade, not an industry. I see it more as a branch of the service myself. And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators " licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my Masters. So did a lot of people, so what? You said Operator was an Old tern used before Masters, your wrong, you can still set for an ocean operator dufass. And a Masters License can be limited. Mine is. Again, so what? The term Master Mariner relates to unlimited licenses. BULL****. The USMM/USCG has no title of Master Mariner. And they have never had that title. Where are you getting your information? Yacht Club. I would guess Masters' is an equal to the time and effort spent to get a masters degree at the USMM academy. If you think the term Master as it applies to a ship or the license has something to do with a college degree, you're sadly misinformed. No ****, but the time required is similar. Some people can hop on a 300 ton boat and master the vessel and crew, but that has nothing to do with getting a Master licences or the made up title of Master Mariner. Your term Master Mariner is a Lubbery term used by wannabes that do not understand anything about the term Master and it's proper use. If you think it's a "lubbery" term, then you know less about it than I thought. I suspect you wonder the docks dressed in a white sailor suit completed with a cap full of scrambled eggs and a little anchor on your lapel right?. Again it's a generic lubbery term used by lubbers in awe. Popeye was a master mariner, and you can call your yacht buddy that conned you into it a "Master Mariner" just like Bobspirt calls himself Capt. You seem hell bent on making stupid assumptions on a subject you seem to know little about. You seem to no nothing. But the only ones that matter.. are the rankings that the USMM / USCG sets down as a standard to rank the abilities of professionals legally found fit to be hired to accomplish the required task. Joe Half true. I couldn't care less as to what the USCG thinks of the term Master Mariner. They do not think about it, get it thru your numb skull... it is a made up title used by wannabee's like YOU! Joe |
DAMN Joe, is there an echo in here (or are you just emphasizing your point
to Capt.MMA/Bobsplit/BBthe sailor Joe wrote: CaptMMA wrote: Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner From: "Joe" You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a USCG term". Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ? No. I'm calling it an industry, like carpentry, medical, airline, etc.. Then it's a trade, not an industry. I see it more as a branch of the service myself. And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators " licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my Masters. So did a lot of people, so what? You said Operator was an Old tern used before Masters, your wrong, you can still set for an ocean operator dufass. And a Masters License can be limited. Mine is. Again, so what? The term Master Mariner relates to unlimited licenses. BULL****. The USMM/USCG has no title of Master Mariner. And they have never had that title. Where are you getting your information? Yacht Club. I would guess Masters' is an equal to the time and effort spent to get a masters degree at the USMM academy. If you think the term Master as it applies to a ship or the license has something to do with a college degree, you're sadly misinformed. No ****, but the time required is similar. Some people can hop on a 300 ton boat and master the vessel and crew, but that has nothing to do with getting a Master licences or the made up title of Master Mariner. Your term Master Mariner is a Lubbery term used by wannabes that do not understand anything about the term Master and it's proper use. If you think it's a "lubbery" term, then you know less about it than I thought. I suspect you wonder the docks dressed in a white sailor suit completed with a cap full of scrambled eggs and a little anchor on your lapel right?. Again it's a generic lubbery term used by lubbers in awe. Popeye was a master mariner, and you can call your yacht buddy that conned you into it a "Master Mariner" just like Bobspirt calls himself Capt. You seem hell bent on making stupid assumptions on a subject you seem to know little about. You seem to no nothing. But the only ones that matter.. are the rankings that the USMM / USCG sets down as a standard to rank the abilities of professionals legally found fit to be hired to accomplish the required task. Joe Half true. I couldn't care less as to what the USCG thinks of the term Master Mariner. They do not think about it, get it thru your numb skull... it is a made up title used by wannabee's like YOU! Joe |
Bob Crantz wrote: Read about the man, not just the web page title: Who is Ron Hubbard? Who's Who in America replies: My point is he would never call himself a Yachtsman. Another lubbery term used by weekend warriors to the most extent to prop up the perception of mostly **** poor skills. Sailing daddy's yacht all your life just dont stack up to the accomplishments of working sailors. Joe "Hubbard, Lafayette Ronald, author, explorer, officer U.S. Naval Reserve; born Tilden, Neb, March 13, 1911;... graduate Swavely Prep School, Manassas, Va; commander, Caribbean Motion Picture Expedition, 1932; commander, West Indies Minerals Survey Expedition, 1932-33; writer of articles and fiction for magazines under his own name and six pen names; commander, Alaskan Radio Experimental Expedition, 1940; lieutenant U=2ES. Naval Reserve, 1941; served in Asiatic until spring, 1942; in command of escort vessels in North Atlantic Ocean, summer and fall, 1942; commander escorts in Pacific, 1943; licensed commercial glider pilot; master of motor vessels; master of sailing vessels (any ocean); licensed radio operator; past president American Fiction Guild; member Authors League of America, Explorers Club, Theta Tau, Phi Theta Xi. Author: Buckskin Brigades, 1936. Co-author: Through Hell and High Water, 1941. Contributor of articles and fiction to 72 magazines, mostly action books, adventure, sea stories and fantasy. Considers his greatest achievement is having scaled Mt. Pel=E9e in Martinique at night. Home: Explorers Club, New York, NY." That is only the tip of the iceberg! Amen! Bob Crantz "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... This Hubbard fellow also is called a Yachtsman. Therefore he can not be a Master Mariner. Joe |
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe" CaptMMA wrote: Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner From: "Joe" You said that" The term "Master Mariner" is an industry term, not a USCG term". Are you calling the Merchant Marines an industrial company ? No. I'm calling it an industry, like carpentry, medical, airline, etc.. Then it's a trade, not an industry. I see it more as a branch of the service myself. Your arguing the use of a term for no reason. Industry/trade, call it what you want. It is NOT however, a branch of the service. And your still full of ****. You can still get an " Operators " licences. I have a 100 ton Ocean operators before I sat for my Masters. So did a lot of people, so what? You said Operator was an Old tern used before Masters, your wrong, you can still set for an ocean operator dufass. And your point is, when discussing the term Master Mariner? I haven't seen the term used too frequently as of late. If it is, big deal, so what. BULL****. The USMM/USCG has no title of Master Mariner. And they have never had that title. Where are you getting your information? Yacht Club. I'll try one last time. The USCG has no say in what or who is a Master Mariner. They just issue licenses. If you don't think the USMM uses the term "Master Mariner" then there's a good chance you are not in the USMM. Since you don't believe me, feel free to find some unlimited Master and ask him/her about the term. If you think the term Master as it applies to a ship or the license has something to do with a college degree, you're sadly misinformed. No ****, but the time required is similar. Some people can hop on a 300 ton boat and master the vessel and crew, but that has nothing to do with getting a Master licences or the made up title of Master Mariner. The time required can, and usually is, much greater. The fact the you have the time in at sea to get an unlimited Master license and get it, says that you've spent a good deal of time and training on ships. BUT, it doesn't mean you will ever sail in that capacity and most won't. The Term Master Mariner is reserved for those that have. I suspect you wonder the docks dressed in a white sailor suit completed with a cap full of scrambled eggs and a little anchor on your lapel right?. Nope I prefer jeans. Again it's a generic lubbery term used by lubbers in awe. Well, since you couldn't use it anyway to describe yourself, you can call it whatever you like. Half true. I couldn't care less as to what the USCG thinks of the term Master Mariner. They do not think about it, get it thru your numb skull... it is a made up title used by wannabee's like YOU! Joe Do yourself a favor, Joe, before you make a bigger ass of yourself than you have. Go find some unlimited Masters who've sailed deepsea and ask them about the term. |
CaptMMA wrote: Do yourself a favor, Joe, before you make a bigger ass of yourself than you have. Go find some unlimited Masters who've sailed deepsea and ask them about the term. Listen, I've worked with hundreds of unlimited Masters, not one of the licences I read say MASTER MARINER...... not a one. It's a made up lubbers term you embraced. Joe USMM Master |
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Joe" CaptMMA wrote: Do yourself a favor, Joe, before you make a bigger ass of yourself than you have. Go find some unlimited Masters who've sailed deepsea and ask them about the term. Listen, I've worked with hundreds of unlimited Masters, not one of the licences I read say MASTER MARINER...... not a one. It's a made up lubbers term you embraced. Joe USMM Master Cripes, are you always this dumb or are you practicing for the New Year? A. NO ONE ever said there is a license that says Master Mariner. A Master Mariner is someone who HOLDS an unlimited Master license and has sailed in that capacity on a vessel requiring that license! Now, stop and re-read this, then think about what it says before you attempt to engage what few brain cells you may have for reading comprehension. B. The odds of you having worked with "hundreds of unlimited Masters" are in the slim to none category, especially since you don't have a clue as to the term "Master Mariner". C. As stated, go find some of those "hundreds" you say you worked with and ask THEM. D. I've wasted enough time trying to explain this to someone too dumb to listen or learn. Back to lurking where I can just sit and laugh at the nonsense some people write. Capt. |
"Bob Crantz" wrote in message k.net... He holds a Master Coast Guard License. You can't be a druggie or looney to get one. In other words if you have one you are probably not going to hell! Amen Bob Crantz Not talented enough to make a living doing it, however. Under the circumstances, it's meaningless. John Cairns |
Doesn't this sound like Nav?
Maybe CaptMMA=Nav? CaptMMA wrote: Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner From: "Joe" CaptMMA wrote: Do yourself a favor, Joe, before you make a bigger ass of yourself than you have. Go find some unlimited Masters who've sailed deepsea and ask them about the term. Listen, I've worked with hundreds of unlimited Masters, not one of the licences I read say MASTER MARINER...... not a one. It's a made up lubbers term you embraced. Joe USMM Master Cripes, are you always this dumb or are you practicing for the New Year? A. NO ONE ever said there is a license that says Master Mariner. A Master Mariner is someone who HOLDS an unlimited Master license and has sailed in that capacity on a vessel requiring that license! Now, stop and re-read this, then think about what it says before you attempt to engage what few brain cells you may have for reading comprehension. B. The odds of you having worked with "hundreds of unlimited Masters" are in the slim to none category, especially since you don't have a clue as to the term "Master Mariner". C. As stated, go find some of those "hundreds" you say you worked with and ask THEM. D. I've wasted enough time trying to explain this to someone too dumb to listen or learn. Back to lurking where I can just sit and laugh at the nonsense some people write. Capt. |
Joe,
The correct word is "lubberly" not "lubbery". Your use of the written word is sloppy and lazy. Your thought processes and mental efforts indicate the same. The apple does not fall far from the tree, hence your sailing abilities must be in the same shadow. Amen! Bob Crantz "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Bob Crantz wrote: Read about the man, not just the web page title: Who is Ron Hubbard? Who's Who in America replies: My point is he would never call himself a Yachtsman. Another lubbery term used by weekend warriors to the most extent to prop up the perception of mostly **** poor skills. Sailing daddy's yacht all your life just dont stack up to the accomplishments of working sailors. Joe "Hubbard, Lafayette Ronald, author, explorer, officer U.S. Naval Reserve; born Tilden, Neb, March 13, 1911;... graduate Swavely Prep School, Manassas, Va; commander, Caribbean Motion Picture Expedition, 1932; commander, West Indies Minerals Survey Expedition, 1932-33; writer of articles and fiction for magazines under his own name and six pen names; commander, Alaskan Radio Experimental Expedition, 1940; lieutenant U.S. Naval Reserve, 1941; served in Asiatic until spring, 1942; in command of escort vessels in North Atlantic Ocean, summer and fall, 1942; commander escorts in Pacific, 1943; licensed commercial glider pilot; master of motor vessels; master of sailing vessels (any ocean); licensed radio operator; past president American Fiction Guild; member Authors League of America, Explorers Club, Theta Tau, Phi Theta Xi. Author: Buckskin Brigades, 1936. Co-author: Through Hell and High Water, 1941. Contributor of articles and fiction to 72 magazines, mostly action books, adventure, sea stories and fantasy. Considers his greatest achievement is having scaled Mt. Pelée in Martinique at night. Home: Explorers Club, New York, NY." That is only the tip of the iceberg! Amen! Bob Crantz "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... This Hubbard fellow also is called a Yachtsman. Therefore he can not be a Master Mariner. Joe |
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: "Bell" Date: 12/20/2004 4:39 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Doesn't this sound like Nav? Maybe CaptMMA=Nav? I've read Nav's crap. I'm not him/her. I'm just one of the multitude of lurkers that once in a blue moon, jumps in on the BS that tries to pass for "intelligent post", by people who should know better. Joe has a license yet has no knowledge of the term Master Mariner. I find that amazing. |
"CaptMMA" wrote in message
... Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner From: "Bell" Date: 12/20/2004 4:39 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Doesn't this sound like Nav? Maybe CaptMMA=Nav? I've read Nav's crap. I'm not him/her. I'm just one of the multitude of lurkers that once in a blue moon, jumps in on the BS that tries to pass for "intelligent post", by people who should know better. Joe has a license yet has no knowledge of the term Master Mariner. I find that amazing. Why's that? |
ubject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: (CaptMMA) snip Joe has a license yet has no knowledge of the term Master Mariner. I find that amazing. You shouldn't. The term is misused/used by many and I doubt you'll find the definition you are using, written down anywhere. While I agree with YOUR definition, it is only those within that small community who are apt to understand/appreciate the narrow scope the definition implies. Shen |
STOW IT, MISTER!
Master mariner is a title best assumed by those who qualify for it. If I wish to call myself a master mariner then I shall and it's nobody else's dadblamed business. No matter the criterion, whether it be time at sea, knowledge of the sea, knowledge of the COLREGS, or expertise in single-handed sailing, I have as much or more knowledge than any other individual on the planet. CN, Master Mariner (if ya don't like it, shove it!) "Shen44" wrote in message ... ubject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner From: (CaptMMA) snip Joe has a license yet has no knowledge of the term Master Mariner. I find that amazing. You shouldn't. The term is misused/used by many and I doubt you'll find the definition you are using, written down anywhere. While I agree with YOUR definition, it is only those within that small community who are apt to understand/appreciate the narrow scope the definition implies. Shen |
"Reports of Cape Horn weather differ very much. I leave no other way to account for the difference but by allowing that all men do not see and think alike. I have observed the thermometer of men's minds to be filled with light inflammatory matter, which rises easily and occasions them to see a great deal of the dismal. Others are filled with genuine mercury, which will not rise without a cause. These last seldom see such extraordinary phenomena. For instance, Captain Neal, Captain Cook and Captain La Peyrouse, three of the greatest mariners that ever traversed the globe, never represented any terrible difficulty in doubling Cape Horn, or in navigating other seas, as men of smaller abilities have. One reason why some captains see things so magnified is their being new to them, and at a great distance from home; but after being more acquainted with dangers and more accustomed to traversing distant regions, they would become familiar and not appear so terrible and would not be troubled with such uncommon difficulty afterwards." There was a hint of Amasa's further comment on the Cape Horn passage of commanders who make themselves out heroes, or great captains, because of meeting with dangerous weather which, were they more skillful and courageous seamen, they would make nothing of. The Cape Horn passage (Amasa's judgment) was nothing that a capable captain of a well-found ship need ever worry about. After clearing the Horn, Amasa stood well in to the Pacific before turning northerly. He was accepting the word of previous shipmasters that from the Horn to the westerly end of Magellan Strait was a rough coast for a castaway ship. Cape Pillar was at the westerly end of the Strait, and the record was that no man had ever escaped alive from a ship wrecked at Cape Pillar. Amasa gave the Pillar a wide berth. He held his northerly course through ten degrees of latitude before heading in to the coast of Chile. In this, the late end of summer, he met with "pleasant weather, and three fourths of the time moderate steady breezes from the south east." He noted the Andes "covered with snow, and in appearance magnificent beyond description when seen from a ship's deck eight or ten miles offshore, particularly when the sun is near setting, and the atmosphere clear. The sun then shines on the westerly side of the mountains next the sea, in some places beautifully shaded." "Shen44" wrote in message ... ubject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Capt._Neal=AE?= Date: 12/21/2004 10:26 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: STOW IT, MISTER! Master mariner is a title best assumed by those who qualify for it. If I wish to call myself a master mariner then I shall and it's nobody else's dadblamed business. No matter the criterion, whether it be time at sea, knowledge of the sea, knowledge of the COLREGS, or expertise in single-handed sailing, I have as much or more knowledge than any other individual on the planet. CN, Master Mariner (if ya don't like it, shove it!) ROFLMAO Now here's a prime example of the MIS-use of the term!! However, to a degree you're correct. If you wish to apply the term to yourself for whatever presumed reason, that is your right. Just don't get upset, that whenever you do so, I...... ROFLMAO!!! Shen |
Damn right you will not find the definition written down anywhere, it
is a made up term used by no professionals. I suspect it flys around yacht clubs like the title Capt. But feel free to use anytime you want, it means nothing as anyone can be called a master mariner if they get the itch to do so. I think in the narrow community that has needs to understand the accomplishments and required skills of a true master would use the term Unlimited Master or Master of ******. Capt.MMA is full of **** when he say it's an INDUSTRY term, it is not. If it is PROVE it. Joe |
But you sound just like Nav always sputtering with 'facts" that you have
no references for. "CaptMMA" wrote in message ... Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner From: "Bell" Date: 12/20/2004 4:39 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Doesn't this sound like Nav? Maybe CaptMMA=Nav? I've read Nav's crap. I'm not him/her. I'm just one of the multitude of lurkers that once in a blue moon, jumps in on the BS that tries to pass for "intelligent post", by people who should know better. Joe has a license yet has no knowledge of the term Master Mariner. I find that amazing. |
that's just what I said. captMMA = Nav
same line of reasoning made by both/either "Joe" wrote in message oups.com... Damn right you will not find the definition written down anywhere, it is a made up term used by no professionals. I suspect it flys around yacht clubs like the title Capt. But feel free to use anytime you want, it means nothing as anyone can be called a master mariner if they get the itch to do so. I think in the narrow community that has needs to understand the accomplishments and required skills of a true master would use the term Unlimited Master or Master of ******. Capt.MMA is full of **** when he say it's an INDUSTRY term, it is not. If it is PROVE it. Joe |
Damn right you will not find the definition written down anywhere, it
is a made up term used by no professionals. I suspect it flys around yacht clubs like the title Capt. But feel free to use anytime you want, it means nothing as anyone can be called a master mariner if they get the itch to do so. I think in the narrow community that has needs to understand the accomplishments and required skills of a true master would use the term Unlimited Master or Master of ******. Capt.MMA is full of **** when he say it's an INDUSTRY term, it is not. If it is PROVE it. Capt MMA |
Damn right you will not find the definition written down anywhere, it
is a made up term used by no professionals. I suspect it flys around yacht clubs like the title Capt. But feel free to use anytime you want, it means nothing as anyone can be called a master mariner if they get the itch to do so. I think in the narrow community that has needs to understand the accomplishments and required skills of a true master would use the term Unlimited Master or Master of ******. Capt.MMA is full of **** when he say it's an INDUSTRY term, it is not. If it is PROVE it. |
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