Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner


Damn right you will not find the definition written down anywhere, it
is a made up term used by no professionals. I suspect it flys around
yacht clubs like the title Capt.

But feel free to use anytime you want, it means nothing as anyone can
be called a master mariner if they get the itch to do so.

I think in the narrow community that has needs to understand the
accomplishments and required skills of a true master would use the term
Unlimited Master or Master of ******.

Capt.MMA is full of **** when he say it's an INDUSTRY term, it is not.
If it is PROVE it.

Joe

ROFL
Joe, as I told Neal, that I don't care if he uses the term as applicable to
himself, I don't really give a rats ass if you believe MMA or myself as to the
definition of the term.
It's been so *******ized in the movies, etc., that in truth, it really has no
meaning to the general public, is just fluff for people like Neal, and really
only has meaning of importance to those who hold unlimited licenses and those
who directly deal with them.
As to proving it to you, I have no interest in trying since I don't consider
your acceptance, pro/con, of my definition important.
Within the community/trade/industry I work in, the term is known and used in
one of two specific ways, related to a specific individual.
Believe me, don't believe me, like it or lump it, I could care less.

Shen

Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: Didereaux


The title "Master Mariner" is most 'officially used in the various
Merchant MArines around the world. It is also a class of license which
can be granted by the U.S. Coast Guard with tonnage limitations. Further
Lloyds of London mainttains a Master Mariner list composed of Merchant
ship Captains(ships Masters)

The non-meaningful title of Master Mariner can, and is bestowed willy-
nilly by various organizations, fraternaties, clubs and social groups and
outside of their highly restricted realm has no meaning and carries no
significance.

In sum: If I were to found the Benevolent Order of Mudbuggers &
Gunkholers we could bestow the title MAster Mudbugger or Master Mariner
on any we wished.

The caveat is that woe be to the silly jackass who claimed such a rank in
a gathering of true ships masters.
--
Didereaux

LOL Too true.
The only change I'd make to what you say is that the USCG issues limited Master
licenses, but they do not designate the holder as a Master Mariner...... a
point of terminology.
Alas, you've probably raised the ire of Neal and Joe, so stand-by. BG

Shen

quit humping my leg

wrote:
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:08:00 -0500, "Bell"
wrote:

that's just what I said. captMMA = Nav

same line of reasoning made by both/either


"Joe" wrote in message
oups.com...
Damn right you will not find the definition written down anywhere, it
is a made up term used by no professionals. I suspect it flys around
yacht clubs like the title Capt.

But feel free to use anytime you want, it means nothing as anyone can
be called a master mariner if they get the itch to do so.

I think in the narrow community that has needs to understand the
accomplishments and required skills of a true master would use the
term Unlimited Master or Master of ******.

Capt.MMA is full of **** when he say it's an INDUSTRY term, it is
not. If it is PROVE it.

Joe



Bell = Ding_A-Ling

Shen44 wrote:
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: Didereaux


The title "Master Mariner" is most 'officially used in the various
Merchant MArines around the world. It is also a class of license which
can be granted by the U.S. Coast Guard with tonnage limitations. Further
Lloyds of London mainttains a Master Mariner list composed of Merchant
ship Captains(ships Masters)

The non-meaningful title of Master Mariner can, and is bestowed willy-
nilly by various organizations, fraternaties, clubs and social groups and
outside of their highly restricted realm has no meaning and carries no
significance.

In sum: If I were to found the Benevolent Order of Mudbuggers &
Gunkholers we could bestow the title MAster Mudbugger or Master Mariner
on any we wished.

The caveat is that woe be to the silly jackass who claimed such a rank in
a gathering of true ships masters.
--
Didereaux


LOL Too true.
The only change I'd make to what you say is that the USCG issues limited Master
licenses, but they do not designate the holder as a Master Mariner...... a
point of terminology.
Alas, you've probably raised the ire of Neal and Joe, so stand-by. BG

Shen


BG
Joe: BG
Neal: ROFLMAO

otn

Shen44 wrote:
Subject: Neal Warren, Master Mariner
From: Didereaux


The title "Master Mariner" is most 'officially used in the various
Merchant MArines around the world. It is also a class of license which
can be granted by the U.S. Coast Guard with tonnage limitations. Further
Lloyds of London mainttains a Master Mariner list composed of Merchant
ship Captains(ships Masters)

The non-meaningful title of Master Mariner can, and is bestowed willy-
nilly by various organizations, fraternaties, clubs and social groups and
outside of their highly restricted realm has no meaning and carries no
significance.

In sum: If I were to found the Benevolent Order of Mudbuggers &
Gunkholers we could bestow the title MAster Mudbugger or Master Mariner
on any we wished.

The caveat is that woe be to the silly jackass who claimed such a rank in
a gathering of true ships masters.
--
Didereaux


LOL Too true.
The only change I'd make to what you say is that the USCG issues limited Master
licenses, but they do not designate the holder as a Master Mariner...... a
point of terminology.
Alas, you've probably raised the ire of Neal and Joe, so stand-by. BG

Shen


BG
Joe: BG
Neal: ROFLMAO

otn

Lubber terminology.

The title of Master Mariner will never be used by the USCG.

You will never see it on any legal documents.

Here is every master licences and the skills required to sit for the
licences. Note you will not find a Master Mariners Ticket.

http://www.mmts.com/licens.htm#MASTER_LIMITED.

No one has proven the term is proper anywhere except in the yacht club
steamroom.

Joe

Who were you working for?


I'm going out and getting new card printed myself

Joe
Master Mariner
Ch 16
Open Ocean
Have Licence will travel.

Do you think I should have crossed anchors in the background, or fouled
anchors? I going with gold rope trim.
This should impress the hell out of someone.


Master Joe

Joe

Joe wrote:

I'm going out and getting new card printed myself

Joe
Master Mariner
Ch 16
Open Ocean
Have Licence will travel.

Oh, yeah ... that will get you lots of work.

This should impress the hell out of someone.

Only the handful of people who know less than you. Sheesh, what a pseud
.... wouldn't make a pimple on a cadet's ass.

Rick

ROFLMAO
Hell, Joe, if you're going to do it do it right!
I'd suggest a couple of fouled Danforths with bent flukes connected to
some huge anchor chain which is full of knots .... paint some shot
markings in reverse order.
When you get it done, let me know so I can get one and save it to my
collection.

otn

I think thats a very fine ideal, Fouled anchors it is.

http://4dw.net/fishcake/home/galfantasy/anchor.jpg

Thats what I prefer my anchors fouled with.

Let thoses Cadet pussies use rope and bent flukes.

But I think Master Mariner is not grand enough a title...
Perhaps Master of the Raging Ocean...Or King of the Sea...oh sorry
Charlie thats taken...Hmmmmmm...


Joe
King Master Mariner of The Raging Sea's
Channel 16 - 22 if urgent
Mid-Ocean


Then it's the greek fisherman hat... white turtle neck ,and pipe for
casual days, Full dress whites with fleet admiral bars, paded sholder
bars with gold tassles and a dozon braded gold rings around the cuffs
and a huge dose of Old Spice aftershave.

Capt Crunch and Capt Kangaroo will be soooooooooooo jelious.
Joe
King Master Mariner of the Raging Sea's

"Didereaux" wrote

In sum: If I were to found the Benevolent Order of Mudbuggers &
Gunkholers we could bestow the title MAster Mudbugger or Master
Mariner
on any we wished.

I nominate Tadpole.

Second?


--
Merry Christmas......
Scotty

What's wrong with ''skipper''?

Scotty

"Shen44" wrote in message
...
Joe,

One final thought, not designed as "bait".
From 1988 - 1992, I sailed as Master aboard tankers ranging from
50,000 tn to
90,000 tn.
The term/title, Master Mariner, had meaning to me and those I sailed
with and I
was damned proud to think that after all those years, sailing in
various
positions, including Master of limited tonnage vessels, I was
finally able to
apply and use the term/title after my name.
Needless to say, I do not take the usage of the terms/titles
Captain or Master
Mariner lightly (Gawd help the idjiot that calls me "Skipper"), for
I worked
for many years to get to a point where I would allow MYSELF to think
of myself
as a Captain or Master Mariner.

Shen

Scott Vernon wrote:
What's wrong with ''skipper''?

Scotty


He never did like the character on Gilligan's Island

"Shen44" wrote in message
...
Joe,

One final thought, not designed as "bait".
From 1988 - 1992, I sailed as Master aboard tankers ranging from
50,000 tn to 90,000 tn.
The term/title, Master Mariner, had meaning to me and those I sailed
with and I was damned proud to think that after all those years,
sailing in various positions, including Master of limited tonnage
vessels, I was finally able to apply and use the term/title after my
name.
Needless to say, I do not take the usage of the terms/titles Captain
or Master Mariner lightly (Gawd help the idjiot that calls me
"Skipper"), for I worked for many years to get to a point where I
would allow MYSELF to think of myself as a Captain or Master Mariner.

Shen

except he's in the middle of the desert right now with nary a mudhole to be
found...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"Didereaux" wrote

In sum: If I were to found the Benevolent Order of Mudbuggers &
Gunkholers we could bestow the title MAster Mudbugger or Master
Mariner
on any we wished.

I nominate Tadpole.

Second?


--
Merry Christmas......
Scotty

he'll be back.


"katysails" wrote in message
...
except he's in the middle of the desert right now with nary a
mudhole to be
found...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
"Didereaux" wrote

In sum: If I were to found the Benevolent Order of Mudbuggers &
Gunkholers we could bestow the title MAster Mudbugger or Master
Mariner
on any we wished.

I nominate Tadpole.

Second?


--
Merry Christmas......
Scotty

Oh, that skipper. He had all the sailing skills of Capt. Neal combined
with the navigational skills of Nav and the physique of boobspit.


--
Merry Christmas......
Scotty


"Bell" wrote in message
...
Scott Vernon wrote:
What's wrong with ''skipper''?

Scotty


He never did like the character on Gilligan's Island

"Shen44" wrote in message
...
Joe,

One final thought, not designed as "bait".
From 1988 - 1992, I sailed as Master aboard tankers ranging from
50,000 tn to 90,000 tn.
The term/title, Master Mariner, had meaning to me and those I
sailed
with and I was damned proud to think that after all those years,
sailing in various positions, including Master of limited tonnage
vessels, I was finally able to apply and use the term/title after
my
name.
Needless to say, I do not take the usage of the terms/titles
Captain
or Master Mariner lightly (Gawd help the idjiot that calls me
"Skipper"), for I worked for many years to get to a point where I
would allow MYSELF to think of myself as a Captain or Master
Mariner.

Shen

From: "Scott Vernon"


What's wrong with ''skipper''?

Scotty

A. It reminds me too much of "Gilligans Island".

B. It's a Military term (justifiably).

C. BG We all have our odd quirks.

Shen

Now that's funny

Scott Vernon wrote:
Oh, that skipper. He had all the sailing skills of Capt. Neal combined
with the navigational skills of Nav and the physique of boobspit.


--
Merry Christmas......
Scotty