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Overproof wrote: Just accept the fact that you don't have a clue as to what causes red eye.... if you did.. it wouldn't happen. That Lil' Billiard Boy is just the facts! Deal with it..... or mail me a certified money order and I'll provide you with a detailed explanation. Don't forget my copyright fees! Cheers |
"Bobsprit" wrote in message But the camera makers of most digicams say red eye is generally unavoidable. Why can't you just tell us and them how you've solved the problem!!?? Here's more facts showing what an idiot Mooron is... http://www.epinions.com/elec-review-...3907D24E-prod5 Boy are you ever dense.... it's an article about how not to get red eye... which you claim can't be avoided and that all photographers suffer from.... Thanks for posting the proof that you are an IDIOT! BTW... no mention that the makers of every digicam state any such thing about red-eye. Sheesh... that was easy. CM |
"Nav" wrote in message ... Bobsprit wrote: ...and will you friggin pair of cry babies quit with the whining about "built in" camera flash!! It's part of what causes red eye. Except for you, who can avoid it with such cameras. Of course he can, he's a professional! You might want to check out Bob's link in this thread.... you'll look sillier than usual... as usual! CM |
Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message I'm shocked! No Nav... you're just stunned! .... but we all knew that. Stunned, shocked it makes no difference. I had a regard for your upstanding demeanor but now I wonder what manner of fish you are. Cheers |
"Nav" wrote in message Are you sure you are not Booby bragging about camera equipment? Bwhahahahhahahaha Oh you mean like you bragging about celestial plots and advanced equipment??.... No.. I'm stating facts. CM |
Yes I take "face on" [excuse while I laugh at your terminology] .... but if
you are aware of what causes red eye... then you take steps to avoid it. It's not Rocket Science Nav.... CM "Nav" wrote in message ... Then you don't take any face on pictures with a built in flash or are subjects asleep? Cheers Overproof wrote: I don't ever get red eye... on any shots. CM "Nav" wrote in message ... No need to cry. If you ask nicely we'll explain it to you. Cheers Overproof wrote: On axis.... Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! CM "Nav" wrote in message ... I worried that he would not understand what "on axis" meant when I tried to explain the basics to him. Waste of time really. Cheers Bobsprit wrote: Wake up... no professional photographer gets "red-eye"... really! Even Wedding Photographers don't get red eye.... They use off camera flash units Mooron. Get it? And they still have the problem on occasion, especially in dark rooms. The camera you questioned had a built in flash. We're all waiting (and so is Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Sony) on how to cure red eye 100% with built in flash.....and waiting....and waiting...and waiting! STOMP!!! Bwahahahahahaha! RB |
Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message ... Bobsprit wrote: ...and will you friggin pair of cry babies quit with the whining about "built in" camera flash!! It's part of what causes red eye. Except for you, who can avoid it with such cameras. Of course he can, he's a professional! You might want to check out Bob's link in this thread.... you'll look sillier than usual... as usual! This ad hominem proves you've lost. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? Let me explain it to you even more simply. The light from the built in camera flash bounces off the retina back to the camera lens when a person looks at the camera. Happens every time - it's physics. If the person is not looking at the camera or if their pupil is constricted then the effect gets smaller but any light coming off the retina back into the camera is 'red eye'. Cheers |
"Nav" wrote in message ... Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message ... Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message ... Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message Still claiming your lens is a 2000 mm F5.6??? Bwhahahhahaha It's not a claim... No -it's pure fiction. It's not f5.6 at 1000mm either. Bwhahahhahahhahaha That's not at all what I said..... So now you are saying you didn't say f5.6 at all? I'm not saying I didn't say that..... So you are saying that you thought it was f5.6 but now acknowlege it is niether 2000mm nor f5.6 at 1000mm? What f number is it at 1000mm? Here's a hint.... I stated it was an f11 with the doubler attached. Of course that would preclude any of the 17 alternate lenses inserted to the lens. Says right on it... f5.6. CM |
"Nav" wrote in message ... Overproof wrote: Just accept the fact that you don't have a clue as to what causes red eye.... if you did.. it wouldn't happen. That Lil' Billiard Boy is just the facts! Deal with it..... or mail me a certified money order and I'll provide you with a detailed explanation. Don't forget my copyright fees! Mail me the address... I'll forward the 10% as soon as Bill sends the money order. :-D CM |
Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message ... Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message ... Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message ... Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message Still claiming your lens is a 2000 mm F5.6??? Bwhahahhahaha It's not a claim... No -it's pure fiction. It's not f5.6 at 1000mm either. Bwhahahhahahhahaha That's not at all what I said..... So now you are saying you didn't say f5.6 at all? I'm not saying I didn't say that..... So you are saying that you thought it was f5.6 but now acknowlege it is niether 2000mm nor f5.6 at 1000mm? What f number is it at 1000mm? Here's a hint.... I stated it was an f11 with the doubler attached. Of course that would preclude any of the 17 alternate lenses inserted to the lens. Says right on it... f5.6. Good lord. Cheers |
"Nav" wrote in message Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message I'm shocked! No Nav... you're just stunned! .... but we all knew that. Stunned, shocked it makes no difference. I had a regard for your upstanding demeanor but now I wonder what manner of fish you are. Well I'm certainly not a "fish" that would consider a reply like Bill's... who stated: " He has to put a black bar over the eyes of the little kids in the photos so they can't be identified. Hence, no red-eye." I mean really..... where is his mind at that he would consider such an obviously self incriminating statement??? Why would such a comment even enter his head.... then again... I've heard it's best to write about what you are familiar with. Don't be petty Nav.... it suits you but it's getting long in the tooth. CM |
What's your mail addy?
Cheers Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message ... Overproof wrote: Just accept the fact that you don't have a clue as to what causes red eye.... if you did.. it wouldn't happen. That Lil' Billiard Boy is just the facts! Deal with it..... or mail me a certified money order and I'll provide you with a detailed explanation. Don't forget my copyright fees! Mail me the address... I'll forward the 10% as soon as Bill sends the money order. :-D CM |
"Nav" wrote in message Good lord. Odd... most Professional Photographers say "Wow" when they see the lens. CM |
Wait till the darned money arrives....
CM "Nav" wrote in message ... What's your mail addy? Cheers Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message ... Overproof wrote: Just accept the fact that you don't have a clue as to what causes red eye.... if you did.. it wouldn't happen. That Lil' Billiard Boy is just the facts! Deal with it..... or mail me a certified money order and I'll provide you with a detailed explanation. Don't forget my copyright fees! Mail me the address... I'll forward the 10% as soon as Bill sends the money order. :-D CM |
Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message I'm shocked! No Nav... you're just stunned! .... but we all knew that. Stunned, shocked it makes no difference. I had a regard for your upstanding demeanor but now I wonder what manner of fish you are. Well I'm certainly not a "fish" that would consider a reply like Bill's... who stated: " He has to put a black bar over the eyes of the little kids in the photos so they can't be identified. Hence, no red-eye." But you picked up that ball up and ran with it. I mean really..... where is his mind at that he would consider such an obviously self incriminating statement??? Why would such a comment even enter his head.... then again... But you felt your reply was necessary and justified? Don't be petty Nav.... it suits you but it's getting long in the tooth. Petty? Yes, my revised opinion of you is firming up. Cheers |
"Nav" wrote in message This ad hominem proves you've lost. Being called silly is not an ad hominum... no more than a 'Bwhahahaha' substainsiates an argument. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? Let me explain it to you even more simply. The light from the built in camera flash bounces off the retina back to the camera lens when a person looks at the camera. Happens every time - it's physics. If the person is not looking at the camera or if their pupil is constricted then the effect gets smaller but any light coming off the retina back into the camera is 'red eye'. Boy... see I knew you had a clue as to what causes red-eye.... now what measures would you take to negate this effect? Matter of fact how many degrees of angle are required to remove the possibility of red-eye? Would a deflector [ piece of white cardboard taped to deflect the 'built-in' flash] have any effect? How would you compensate for this? Professionals... Pah! I forgot more than either you or Bob ever knew about photography!!. CM |
Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message Good lord. Odd... most Professional Photographers say "Wow" when they see the lens. Especially when they use capital letters to describe themselves. Cheers |
But it's Christmas and the post from Canada is sooooooooo slow. I want
to get Ella hauled before I set sail for my summer cruise. Cheers Overproof wrote: Wait till the darned money arrives.... CM "Nav" wrote in message ... What's your mail addy? Cheers Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message ... Overproof wrote: Just accept the fact that you don't have a clue as to what causes red eye.... if you did.. it wouldn't happen. That Lil' Billiard Boy is just the facts! Deal with it..... or mail me a certified money order and I'll provide you with a detailed explanation. Don't forget my copyright fees! Mail me the address... I'll forward the 10% as soon as Bill sends the money order. :-D CM |
Great... you can finally get the seaweed off the prop so you don't get
stranded just outside the harbour on a nice breezy day. CM "Nav" wrote in message ... But it's Christmas and the post from Canada is sooooooooo slow. I want to get Ella hauled before I set sail for my summer cruise. Cheers Overproof wrote: Wait till the darned money arrives.... CM "Nav" wrote in message ... What's your mail addy? Cheers Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message ... Overproof wrote: Just accept the fact that you don't have a clue as to what causes red eye.... if you did.. it wouldn't happen. That Lil' Billiard Boy is just the facts! Deal with it..... or mail me a certified money order and I'll provide you with a detailed explanation. Don't forget my copyright fees! Mail me the address... I'll forward the 10% as soon as Bill sends the money order. :-D CM |
Sure, anything you say.
Cheers Overproof wrote: Great... you can finally get the seaweed off the prop so you don't get stranded just outside the harbour on a nice breezy day. CM "Nav" wrote in message ... But it's Christmas and the post from Canada is sooooooooo slow. I want to get Ella hauled before I set sail for my summer cruise. Cheers Overproof wrote: Wait till the darned money arrives.... CM "Nav" wrote in message ... What's your mail addy? Cheers Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message ... Overproof wrote: Just accept the fact that you don't have a clue as to what causes red eye.... if you did.. it wouldn't happen. That Lil' Billiard Boy is just the facts! Deal with it..... or mail me a certified money order and I'll provide you with a detailed explanation. Don't forget my copyright fees! Mail me the address... I'll forward the 10% as soon as Bill sends the money order. :-D CM |
Ouch!.... bet that hurt!.... Right away!
:-) CM "Nav" wrote in message ... Sure, anything you say. Cheers Overproof wrote: Great... you can finally get the seaweed off the prop so you don't get stranded just outside the harbour on a nice breezy day. CM "Nav" wrote in message ... But it's Christmas and the post from Canada is sooooooooo slow. I want to get Ella hauled before I set sail for my summer cruise. Cheers Overproof wrote: Wait till the darned money arrives.... CM "Nav" wrote in message ... What's your mail addy? Cheers Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message ... Overproof wrote: Just accept the fact that you don't have a clue as to what causes red eye.... if you did.. it wouldn't happen. That Lil' Billiard Boy is just the facts! Deal with it..... or mail me a certified money order and I'll provide you with a detailed explanation. Don't forget my copyright fees! Mail me the address... I'll forward the 10% as soon as Bill sends the money order. :-D CM |
C'mon Mooron impress me with this wit you brag about -not such childish
school yard stuff. Or are you just giggling at the monitor ... again? Cheers Overproof wrote: Ouch!.... bet that hurt!.... Right away! :-) CM "Nav" wrote in message ... Sure, anything you say. Cheers Overproof wrote: Great... you can finally get the seaweed off the prop so you don't get stranded just outside the harbour on a nice breezy day. CM "Nav" wrote in message ... But it's Christmas and the post from Canada is sooooooooo slow. I want to get Ella hauled before I set sail for my summer cruise. Cheers Overproof wrote: Wait till the darned money arrives.... CM "Nav" wrote in message ... What's your mail addy? Cheers Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message ... Overproof wrote: Just accept the fact that you don't have a clue as to what causes red eye.... if you did.. it wouldn't happen. That Lil' Billiard Boy is just the facts! Deal with it..... or mail me a certified money order and I'll provide you with a detailed explanation. Don't forget my copyright fees! Mail me the address... I'll forward the 10% as soon as Bill sends the money order. :-D CM |
http://www.epinions.com/elec-review-...3907D24E-prod5
Boy are you ever dense.... it's an article about how not to get red eye... which you claim can't be avoided and that all photographers suffer from.... Thanks for posting the proof that you are an IDIOT! GREAT!!!! Mooron says the site gives the info, so let's have a look... Increase the ambient light level in the room. Situate subjects near light sources such as lamps, overhead lights, etc. This will cause your subjects pupils to close down and thus reduce the likelihood of red-eye problems. -Can't always do that, now can we???!!- Do not wave a favorite toy to get children to look at the camera. This will cause the pupils of their eyes to dilate. -Can't always do that either!!!- Have subjects look at your forehead when taking photos. Your subjects will still look like they are staring right into your camera. This approach changes the angle of light. -Not a viable technique at a wedding, party or any other candid shot!- If your camera has a Red-eye Reduction feature, turn it on. Remember though, this will reduce; not totally eliminate red-eye. Gently press the shutter button half way until you get a flash confirmation/charge signal. Then take the photo. -REDUCE only!- Ideally, if you have an SLR camera with an external flash with a swivel head, bounce the flash head at 45 degrees. Moving the flash as far away from the lens axis is better. You can use a Stroboframeā¢ and fire the flash off the camera. -Yup, but we're talking about built in flash units.- Anyone want to stick a fork in Mooron? He'd DONE!!!!! Bwahahahahahaaha! SWEET! RB |
Boy... see I knew you had a clue as to what causes red-eye.... now what
measures would you take to negate this effect? You can't always take measures! Red eye happens, especially with fast candid shooting with groups of people. You can't avoid it 100% unless you can control where EVERYONE is looking! Mooron, you really swallowed the whole shoe store! RB |
Bobsprit wrote: Do not wave a favorite toy to get children to look at the camera. This will cause the pupils of their eyes to dilate. Mooron can wave a toy in front of all his freinds eyes and get them to dilate! Cheers |
I've slapped you six ways to Sunday and frankly my keyboard fingers have
calluses... both of them. Not to mention I'm out of rum and have been sober for the last 3 days.... that alone is bothersome. Never mind... what's this..... I just found a blunt under the keyboard... hey... luv to stay and chat but I gotta head to the chook cop and light this baby up!! Woooooo Yeah! CM "Nav" wrote in message ... C'mon Mooron impress me with this wit you brag about -not such childish school yard stuff. Or are you just giggling at the monitor ... again? Cheers Overproof wrote: Ouch!.... bet that hurt!.... Right away! :-) CM "Nav" wrote in message ... Sure, anything you say. Cheers Overproof wrote: Great... you can finally get the seaweed off the prop so you don't get stranded just outside the harbour on a nice breezy day. CM "Nav" wrote in message ... But it's Christmas and the post from Canada is sooooooooo slow. I want to get Ella hauled before I set sail for my summer cruise. Cheers Overproof wrote: Wait till the darned money arrives.... CM "Nav" wrote in message ... What's your mail addy? Cheers Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message ... Overproof wrote: Just accept the fact that you don't have a clue as to what causes red eye.... if you did.. it wouldn't happen. That Lil' Billiard Boy is just the facts! Deal with it..... or mail me a certified money order and I'll provide you with a detailed explanation. Don't forget my copyright fees! Mail me the address... I'll forward the 10% as soon as Bill sends the money order. :-D CM |
"Bobsprit" wrote in message -Can't always do that, now can we???!!- Sure you can.... -Not a viable technique at a wedding, party or any other candid shot!- WHAT!!! Ha ha ha.... you're kidding us right? -REDUCE only!- Yeah... but it says with a red-eye reduction feature... for simpletons like yourself. ....and CM |
"Bobsprit" wrote in message ... Boy... see I knew you had a clue as to what causes red-eye.... now what measures would you take to negate this effect? You can't always take measures! Red eye happens, especially with fast candid shooting with groups of people. You can't avoid it 100% unless you can control where EVERYONE is looking! Mooron, you really swallowed the whole shoe store! Now you want to tell me red-eye is going to show on a group of people with a flash... taking a shot of the group... and you get red-eye... Oh Okay... look I'd like to continue this... get some experience and get back to me... I've got a blunt to smoke. CM |
Of course you have. Sleep well.
Cheers Overproof wrote: I've slapped you six ways to Sunday and frankly my keyboard fingers have calluses... both of them. Not to mention I'm out of rum and have been sober for the last 3 days.... that alone is bothersome. Never mind... what's this..... I just found a blunt under the keyboard... hey... luv to stay and chat but I gotta head to the chook cop and light this baby up!! Woooooo Yeah! CM "Nav" wrote in message ... C'mon Mooron impress me with this wit you brag about -not such childish school yard stuff. Or are you just giggling at the monitor ... again? Cheers Overproof wrote: Ouch!.... bet that hurt!.... Right away! :-) CM "Nav" wrote in message ... Sure, anything you say. Cheers Overproof wrote: Great... you can finally get the seaweed off the prop so you don't get stranded just outside the harbour on a nice breezy day. CM "Nav" wrote in message ... But it's Christmas and the post from Canada is sooooooooo slow. I want to get Ella hauled before I set sail for my summer cruise. Cheers Overproof wrote: Wait till the darned money arrives.... CM "Nav" wrote in message ... What's your mail addy? Cheers Overproof wrote: "Nav" wrote in message ... Overproof wrote: Just accept the fact that you don't have a clue as to what causes red eye.... if you did.. it wouldn't happen. That Lil' Billiard Boy is just the facts! Deal with it..... or mail me a certified money order and I'll provide you with a detailed explanation. Don't forget my copyright fees! Mail me the address... I'll forward the 10% as soon as Bill sends the money order. :-D CM |
-Can't always do that, now can we???!!-
Sure you can.... Uh, no you can't. At a party you often can't control anything. That's why color retouch kits have been around for years for the pros. RB |
-Not a viable technique at a wedding, party or any other candid shot!-
WHAT!!! Ha ha ha.... you're kidding us right? Right...the guy at the wedding with the Canon elf tells everyone to look at his forehead, waves a toy, flips on the red-eye-reduction and shoots away!!! Bwahahahahaha! Mooron, this is your biggest loss yet. It would be sad if you weren't soooo busted! I especially enjoyed the idea of creating a bounce flash on the average digicam!!!! RB |
Yeah... but it says with a red-eye reduction feature... for simpletons like
yourself. I think we need TWO forks for Mooron!!! Shall I drag him around further? Let's!!!! Say, Mooron, what problems does red-eye-reduction present in candid group shots? Why do the "pros" like yourself avoid using it??? This'll be a pip! RB |
You constantly brag about having the best cameras
and you never cease to expound on your skills at photo editing and you claim to be such an expert on photography yet your pictures on your website are amateur efforts at best. You need to put up some professional quality photos or shut your yap because amateur efforts combined with professional braggadocio makes you look just a bit inconsistent. We all would like to believe that you do, indeed, own the very best equipment and possess the knowledge of a professional but, as for me, it strains credulity for me to do so. CN "Bobsprit" wrote in message ... -Can't always do that, now can we???!!- Sure you can.... Uh, no you can't. At a party you often can't control anything. That's why color retouch kits have been around for years for the pros. RB |
Now you want to tell me red-eye is going to show on a group of people with a
flash... taking a shot of the group... and you get red-eye... Oh Okay... Nav, I truly doubt Mooron has ANY camera gear or knows anything about lenses. He's just bored. RB |
We all would like to believe that you do, indeed,
own the very best equipment and possess the knowledge of a professional but, as for me, it strains credulity for me to do so. I certainly never claimed to have the "best" camera gear. My digital Nikon D70 SLR package costs around 2K, hardly high end. My smaller than a credit card, Pentax Optio S50 package cost 400.00...it IS the best TINY camera you could buy. But best camera gear? Nope, never said it. RB |
That's because you are LYING and you know nothing about photography or
how it works. You apparently don't even completely understand what causes red-eye in the forst place. I'm thinking you may have confused it with brown-eye. Listen, Mooron has been more exposed than a case of ASA 3200 Kodak pro film shot into the sun!!!! But the bit about making a bounce card for a small digicam WAS funny! The best part is that Mooron has the "courage" to continue his lies without even googling up a few facts. He doesn't even know what a flash bounce is! Where would he bounce a weak fixed flash to? Maybe he'd build a mirror bounce box in miniature and epoxy it to the front!??? He's some pro. Prophylactic that is!!! RB |
"Bobsprit" wrote in message I certainly never claimed to have the "best" camera gear. My digital Nikon D70 SLR package costs around 2K, hardly high end. Crap you say..... $1349 Canadian right now here in Hailfax. My smaller than a credit card, Pentax Optio S50 package cost 400.00...it IS the best TINY camera you could buy. Did you just write this above..[ "I certainly never claimed to have the "best" camera gear"] Bwahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!! But best camera gear? Nope, never said it. Bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!!! CM |
"Bobsprit" wrote in message You can't always take measures! Red eye happens, especially with fast candid shooting with groups of people. You can't avoid it 100% unless you can control where EVERYONE is looking! Here's a handy Hint.... Try controling when and where you are shooting Bob..... Mooron, you really swallowed the whole shoe store! You're dreamin' again.... like claiming you had the best camera gear around and yet can't take a decent photo with it. CM |
where EVERYONE is looking!
Here's a handy Hint.... Try controling when and where you are shooting Bob..... Mooron, you can't possibly be this dumb, could you? Did you ever shoot an event, party or even a baby? Try "controlling" that! Bwahahahahaha! Make that THREE forks! RB |
and yet can't take a decent photo with it.
And yet Mooron writes.... Nice shot Bob..... and look no red eye! It must be the Nikon Eh? :-) Make that FOUR forks!!!! Bwahahahaha! RB |
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