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Overproof December 10th 04 11:28 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Glad you finally learned about "red-eye"......


We're still waiting to hear how a camera with built in flash can knock it
out
all the time.
And waiting...and waiting....


Send the check and I'll save you the time of reading through the
Photographic Basics Bob!

Here's a hint.... adjust your flash!

CM



Bobsprit December 11th 04 02:12 AM

That about spells out how little you know about the Nikon F4 body [titanium
steel]... never mind the 1/8000 shutterspeeds. Still the best SLR you can
buy.

Every putz with a Nikon things he has the "best" camera. The F4 body is worth
very little these days. Period.
The lenses, if they are clean, still have some value. BUT, sell most of them
because new glass is better and the new VR lenses are beyond what the old stuff
can do. I'm buying a VR lens in the spring.

RB

Bobsprit December 11th 04 02:15 AM

Low Cost indeed ... from a person claiming to have the best telescope
available to the public that costs less than my camera body!

Here let me help you. Value of the F4 body in VG or E condition, aprox 4-500
dollars.
Value of a brand new C11 GPS with coatings 3200.00.
Case closed.

RB

Bobsprit December 11th 04 02:19 AM

At around $600 it's a midrange Digital Single Reflex camera.... it's still
a friggin digital Bob!


Mooron's ignorance never ends and his posts about prices are even better! The
D70 with 18-70 is 1028.00 (after rebate) at a authorized seller. Please don't
embarass yourself by posting links to sites that have lower prices. If you
check on them they won't sell you the camera alone. Oldest online scam in the
book.
Mooron, you're truly a fool. You expose your ignorance with each post. Please,
keep going!

RB



Overproof December 11th 04 02:35 AM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
Low Cost indeed ... from a person claiming to have the best telescope
available to the public that costs less than my camera body!

Here let me help you. Value of the F4 body in VG or E condition, aprox
4-500
dollars.
Value of a brand new C11 GPS with coatings 3200.00.
Case closed.


You are comparing new now to used then..... this is hardly an accurate
estimate.
Your current scope... used... $500... tops [ new is $1700 as I posted a
link to]

CM



Overproof December 11th 04 02:39 AM

$1,139 Canadian here on the flyer Bob..... no extras required.

My DC290 was $1500.... 6 years ago when I bought it.

It's a mid range camera.... don't make it out to be more than what it is.

It's already outdated anyway!

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
At around $600 it's a midrange Digital Single Reflex camera.... it's
still
a friggin digital Bob!


Mooron's ignorance never ends and his posts about prices are even better!
The
D70 with 18-70 is 1028.00 (after rebate) at a authorized seller. Please
don't
embarass yourself by posting links to sites that have lower prices. If you
check on them they won't sell you the camera alone. Oldest online scam in
the
book.
Mooron, you're truly a fool. You expose your ignorance with each post.
Please,
keep going!

RB





Bobsprit December 11th 04 02:42 AM

all the time.
And waiting...and waiting....


Send the check and I'll save you the time of reading through the

No, no. We ALL want to know what no camera maker has been able to solve with a
built in flash! You could make millions!

RB

Overproof December 11th 04 02:52 AM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
No, no. We ALL want to know what no camera maker has been able to solve
with a
built in flash! You could make millions!


Wake up... no professional photographer gets "red-eye"... really!
Even Wedding Photographers don't get red eye....
Even Baby Photographers don't get red-eye....
Even Passport Photo Photographers don't get red-eye....
Even school photographers don't get red eye....
Even Driver's License Photographers don't get red eye....

......those are just the lowest rung of professional photographers Bob!

Yet you profess to be a professional and constantly post badly composed and
badly exposed photos with red-eye!

Why is that Bob???

CM



Bobsprit December 11th 04 01:45 PM

You are comparing new now to used then..... this is hardly an accurate
estimate.
Your current scope... used... $500... tops [ new is $1700 as I posted a
link to]

You posted a link to the wrong scope. You can barely buy a used C8 for 500
dollars, so I'd really like to see you get a C11 for that. We could go into
business!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Bobsprit December 11th 04 01:47 PM

It's a mid range camera.... don't make it out to be more than what it is.


???? I said it was ENTRY level DSLR. YOU'RE the one making it out to be more
than it is!

Bwahahahahahaha!

RB

Bobsprit December 11th 04 01:50 PM

It's already outdated anyway!

NIkon's replacement for the D70 is quite a ways off. The replacement for the
D100 won't be announced until February. The only camera worth looking at would
be the Canon 20D, which I got as a gift and RETURNED. 8 MP was not enough to
deal with the awful metering system. The Olympus E-volt looks interesting, but
who wants that with limited glass?
You really know your topic...NOT!!

Bwahahahaha!! Haha!

RB

Bobsprit December 11th 04 01:54 PM

badly exposed photos with red-eye!

Why is that Bob???


Mooron, I can't play anymore today...I'm off to PA with Suzanne and Thomas to
help my dad decorate his home for the holidays.

Capt RB

Overproof December 11th 04 03:22 PM

No Bob... it was indeed the C11 I posted the link to.

CM

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
You are comparing new now to used then..... this is hardly an accurate
estimate.
Your current scope... used... $500... tops [ new is $1700 as I posted a
link to]

You posted a link to the wrong scope. You can barely buy a used C8 for 500
dollars, so I'd really like to see you get a C11 for that. We could go
into
business!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB




Bobsprit December 11th 04 03:48 PM

No Bob... it was indeed the C11 I posted the link to.

There are 6 or 7 versions of the C11. The version you posted was bottom of the
line mount.
Sorry...you lose again. Why not actually look up the C11 line and see what they
cost?
http://www.celestron.com/prod_pgs/tel/nx11gps.htm
Next, find a real dealer and post a link to a real price.
http://www.epinions.com/Celestron_Ne...segrain__Teles
cope_11053

Have a nice day! I'm off to the Poconos.

RB

Overproof December 11th 04 05:37 PM

Heh... I'm sure someone here will bother [NOT]... but until you post
something to the effect that I am mistaken about the price of your mid range
scope.....

$1700 stands as the price Bob....

CM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
No Bob... it was indeed the C11 I posted the link to.

There are 6 or 7 versions of the C11. The version you posted was bottom of
the
line mount.
Sorry...you lose again. Why not actually look up the C11 line and see what
they
cost?
http://www.celestron.com/prod_pgs/tel/nx11gps.htm
Next, find a real dealer and post a link to a real price.
http://www.epinions.com/Celestron_Ne...segrain__Teles
cope_11053

Have a nice day! I'm off to the Poconos.

RB




Bobsprit December 12th 04 02:35 AM

Heh... I'm sure someone here will bother [NOT]... but until you post
something to the effect that I am mistaken about the price of your mid range
scope.....


I just posted the price. Nextar GPS C11. You posted a totally different scope.

http://www.epinions.com/Celestron_Ne...segrain__Teles
cope_11053

You lose again. Enjoy your F4...!

Bwahahahaha!

RB

Nav December 12th 04 08:39 PM



Overproof wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message

And it isn't is it?

Bwhhahahahhaha



But it is.... and please quit laughing like a Hyeana on acid... it reads as
ridiculous!


WOW! This from a man who doesn't actally know what lens he's got.



Of course I know what I have Nav... you just can't comprehend the basics of
photography.



Still claiming your lens is a 2000 mm F5.6???

Bwhahahhahaha


Cheers


Nav December 12th 04 08:53 PM

He does like to exaggerate.

Cheers

Bobsprit wrote:

You should have thought that out a bit better Bob.... nontheless... not
bad for an amateur with a midrange digital. Not good nor great by any means
though....

Wonder what mooron means by midrange digital. The D70 is not a midrange
digital. Not here or anywhere. It's an entry level DSLR.

RB



Nav December 12th 04 08:55 PM

I worried that he would not understand what "on axis" meant when I tried
to explain the basics to him. Waste of time really.

Cheers

Bobsprit wrote:

Wake up... no professional photographer gets "red-eye"... really!
Even Wedding Photographers don't get red eye....


They use off camera flash units Mooron. Get it? And they still have the problem
on occasion, especially in dark rooms.
The camera you questioned had a built in flash. We're all waiting (and so is
Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Sony) on how to cure red eye 100% with built in
flash.....and waiting....and waiting...and waiting!

STOMP!!! Bwahahahahahaha!

RB



Overproof December 12th 04 10:32 PM


"Nav" wrote in message

Still claiming your lens is a 2000 mm F5.6???

Bwhahahhahaha


It's not a claim...

CM



Overproof December 12th 04 10:33 PM

On axis.... Bwahahahahahahahahahhahaaaa!!!

CM

"Nav" wrote in message
...
I worried that he would not understand what "on axis" meant when I tried to
explain the basics to him. Waste of time really.

Cheers

Bobsprit wrote:

Wake up... no professional photographer gets "red-eye"... really!
Even Wedding Photographers don't get red eye....


They use off camera flash units Mooron. Get it? And they still have the
problem
on occasion, especially in dark rooms.
The camera you questioned had a built in flash. We're all waiting (and so
is
Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Sony) on how to cure red eye 100% with built in
flash.....and waiting....and waiting...and waiting!

STOMP!!! Bwahahahahahaha!

RB





Nav December 12th 04 10:42 PM

No need to cry. If you ask nicely we'll explain it to you.

Cheers

Overproof wrote:

On axis.... Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

CM

"Nav" wrote in message
...

I worried that he would not understand what "on axis" meant when I tried to
explain the basics to him. Waste of time really.

Cheers

Bobsprit wrote:


Wake up... no professional photographer gets "red-eye"... really!
Even Wedding Photographers don't get red eye....


They use off camera flash units Mooron. Get it? And they still have the
problem
on occasion, especially in dark rooms.
The camera you questioned had a built in flash. We're all waiting (and so
is
Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Sony) on how to cure red eye 100% with built in
flash.....and waiting....and waiting...and waiting!

STOMP!!! Bwahahahahahaha!

RB






Nav December 12th 04 11:08 PM



Overproof wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message


Still claiming your lens is a 2000 mm F5.6???

Bwhahahhahaha



It's not a claim...


No -it's pure fiction. It's not f5.6 at 1000mm either.

Bwhahahhahahhahaha

Cheers




Overproof December 13th 04 12:47 AM


"Nav" wrote in message
...


Overproof wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message


Still claiming your lens is a 2000 mm F5.6???

Bwhahahhahaha



It's not a claim...


No -it's pure fiction. It's not f5.6 at 1000mm either.

Bwhahahhahahhahaha


That's not at all what I said..... you'd better read the original post for
content this time.

CM



Overproof December 13th 04 12:47 AM

I don't ever get red eye... on any shots.

CM

"Nav" wrote in message
...
No need to cry. If you ask nicely we'll explain it to you.

Cheers

Overproof wrote:

On axis.... Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

CM

"Nav" wrote in message
...

I worried that he would not understand what "on axis" meant when I tried
to explain the basics to him. Waste of time really.

Cheers

Bobsprit wrote:


Wake up... no professional photographer gets "red-eye"... really!
Even Wedding Photographers don't get red eye....


They use off camera flash units Mooron. Get it? And they still have the
problem
on occasion, especially in dark rooms.
The camera you questioned had a built in flash. We're all waiting (and
so is
Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Sony) on how to cure red eye 100% with built in
flash.....and waiting....and waiting...and waiting!

STOMP!!! Bwahahahahahaha!

RB







Overproof December 13th 04 02:38 AM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
I don't ever get red eye... on any shots.



We're all waiting...no redeye from a camera with built in flash ever....?
C'mon, we'll make millions!

Sad truth is....Mooron won't ever answer. He can't. He can only pretend to
know
about something. And that's the sad fact.


let's see.....

I've been doing photography on a professional basis for over 20 years.
I currently own a Nikon F4 , Nikonos, Kodak DC290.
I've taken underwater video footage

Guess what.... never had a shot with red eye.

....and will you friggin pair of cry babies quit with the whining about
"built in" camera flash!!

CM



Overproof December 13th 04 05:15 PM


wrote in message

Yeah, Moron is a professional. He has to put a black bar over the eyes
of the little kids in the photos so they can't be identified. Hence,
no red-eye.


Odd.... is kiddie porn always on your mind Bill-Bob?



Overproof December 13th 04 05:16 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
...and will you friggin pair of cry babies quit with the whining about
"built in" camera flash!!

It's part of what causes red eye. Except for you, who can avoid it with
such
cameras.


What a bunch of crap..... it does not cause red eye.... not knowing how to
take a photo causes red eye.

CM



Bobsprit December 13th 04 06:18 PM

It's part of what causes red eye. Except for you, who can avoid it with
such
cameras.


What a bunch of crap..... it does not cause red eye..


No??? Damn!!! All those camera makers have it wrong then!!!!

Bwahahahahaha!

RB

Bobsprit December 13th 04 06:18 PM

Odd.... is kiddie porn always on your mind Bill-Bob?


Now THAT'S an odd reply!

A bit creepy for sure.

RB

Overproof December 13th 04 06:30 PM


"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
It's part of what causes red eye. Except for you, who can avoid it with
such
cameras.


What a bunch of crap..... it does not cause red eye..


No??? Damn!!! All those camera makers have it wrong then!!!!

Bwahahahahaha!


Not the camera makers... just the bull**** artists like you who make claims
regarding a subject matter you have little familiarity with.

CM



Scott Vernon December 13th 04 07:34 PM

I have 4 shoe boxes full of photos, most taken by me. I can't find
any with red-eye, but then, I'm not a pro.

Scotty

"Overproof" wrote in message
news:7dlvd.69953$6f6.8983@edtnps89...

"Bobsprit" wrote in message
...
It's part of what causes red eye. Except for you, who can avoid

it with
such
cameras.


What a bunch of crap..... it does not cause red eye..


No??? Damn!!! All those camera makers have it wrong then!!!!

Bwahahahahaha!


Not the camera makers... just the bull**** artists like you who make

claims
regarding a subject matter you have little familiarity with.

CM





Nav December 13th 04 09:06 PM



Overproof wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message
...


Overproof wrote:


"Nav" wrote in message



Still claiming your lens is a 2000 mm F5.6???

Bwhahahhahaha


It's not a claim...


No -it's pure fiction. It's not f5.6 at 1000mm either.

Bwhahahhahahhahaha



That's not at all what I said.....



So now you are saying you didn't say f5.6 at all?

Cheers


Nav December 13th 04 09:08 PM

Then you don't take any face on pictures with a built in flash or are
subjects asleep?

Cheers

Overproof wrote:

I don't ever get red eye... on any shots.

CM

"Nav" wrote in message
...

No need to cry. If you ask nicely we'll explain it to you.

Cheers

Overproof wrote:


On axis.... Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

CM

"Nav" wrote in message
...


I worried that he would not understand what "on axis" meant when I tried
to explain the basics to him. Waste of time really.

Cheers

Bobsprit wrote:



Wake up... no professional photographer gets "red-eye"... really!
Even Wedding Photographers don't get red eye....


They use off camera flash units Mooron. Get it? And they still have the
problem
on occasion, especially in dark rooms.
The camera you questioned had a built in flash. We're all waiting (and
so is
Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Sony) on how to cure red eye 100% with built in
flash.....and waiting....and waiting...and waiting!

STOMP!!! Bwahahahahahaha!

RB






Nav December 13th 04 09:42 PM



Bobsprit wrote:

...and will you friggin pair of cry babies quit with the whining about
"built in" camera flash!!

It's part of what causes red eye. Except for you, who can avoid it with such
cameras.


Of course he can, he's a professional!

Cheers


Nav December 13th 04 09:44 PM



wrote:

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:15:33 GMT, "Overproof"
wrote:


wrote in message


Yeah, Moron is a professional. He has to put a black bar over the eyes
of the little kids in the photos so they can't be identified. Hence,
no red-eye.


Odd.... is kiddie porn always on your mind Bill-Bob?



Now THAT'S an odd reply!


I'm shocked!

Cheers


Overproof December 13th 04 11:17 PM


"Nav" wrote in message
...


Overproof wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message
...


Overproof wrote:


"Nav" wrote in message



Still claiming your lens is a 2000 mm F5.6???

Bwhahahhahaha


It's not a claim...


No -it's pure fiction. It's not f5.6 at 1000mm either.

Bwhahahhahahhahaha



That's not at all what I said.....



So now you are saying you didn't say f5.6 at all?


I'm not saying I didn't say that.....

CM



Nav December 13th 04 11:27 PM



Overproof wrote:

"Nav" wrote in message
...


Overproof wrote:


"Nav" wrote in message
...


Overproof wrote:



"Nav" wrote in message




Still claiming your lens is a 2000 mm F5.6???

Bwhahahhahaha


It's not a claim...


No -it's pure fiction. It's not f5.6 at 1000mm either.

Bwhahahhahahhahaha


That's not at all what I said.....



So now you are saying you didn't say f5.6 at all?



I'm not saying I didn't say that.....


So you are saying that you thought it was f5.6 but now acknowlege it is
niether 2000mm nor f5.6 at 1000mm? What f number is it at 1000mm?

Cheers


Overproof December 13th 04 11:27 PM


wrote in message
Meanwhile it's the ONLY explanation offered by ANYONE to date, to
explain how Overproof never has redeye in his photos. He doesn't
appear to have any other explanation. If he did, we would have heard
it by now. I guess his reply amounts to agreement with my post.


Sheesh... were did you learn witty comebacks Billiard... the school yard?

"He didn't say so ... that makes me right"... whines Bill

"He won't tell us ... so whatever I say is right".. blurted lil'Billy Bob

Which of course has no bearing on the fact that people who understand
composition and angles in photography... Never get RED EYE! .... built in
flash or not!!!

Just accept the fact that you don't have a clue as to what causes red
eye.... if you did.. it wouldn't happen. That Lil' Billiard Boy is just the
facts! Deal with it..... or mail me a certified money order and I'll
provide you with a detailed explanation.

CM



Overproof December 13th 04 11:28 PM


"Nav" wrote in message
I'm shocked!


No Nav... you're just stunned! .... but we all knew that.

CM




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