Capt. Neal® wrote:

But there IS a right of way. The rules give it to the stand-on vessel.


Which may NOT be the vessel on your starboard. Do you see it now?

Cheers


Otherwise there would be chaos.

Just like the green traffic light gives you the right of way does
not mean it will keep some idiot from running the read light
and smashing into you but you do have the right of way until
such time as that happens.

Same holds true with the Colregs. They are a guide and a good one.
But like any guide they cannot be written to cover every eventuality.
That is why right of way is not an absolute but there is right of
way nonetheless.

CN



"Nav" wrote in message ...


Capt. Neal® wrote:



I think you'll find that Donal is objecting to the phrase "right of way".

otn


That objection is trite IMHO. Why it bothers some people
so much is beyond understanding. That they seem to relish
latching onto such an unimportant issue when other far more
pressing matters are at hand shows they may not be capable
of seeing the bigger picture.


The big picture is that a real sailor does not assume the other vessel
will hold her course or give way in simple crossing situation. Only a
fool thinks there is a 'right of way' in this scenario. A real sailor
knows the other vessel may not give way for a multitude of reasons
includind CBD, RAM and NUC -let alone trawling.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

You're Canadian?


"Capt. Neal®" wrote ....
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Donal is a liberal. He feels the term ''right of way'' is too harsh
and may hurt somebody's feelings and give them low self esteem.

Scotty


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
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"otnmbrd" wrote in message
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Capt. Neal® wrote:



Wrong! A vessel that has another on its own starboard bow
is the give-way vessel. It follows that the other vessel has
the right of way. It's right of way makes it the stand-on
vessel.

I can't figure what's so hard for some people to understand
about this.

I always sit in my motor dinghy straddling the center thwart
and looking primarily to starboard. I do this so I can give-way
to vessels that are on a crossing course and are on my starboard
bow. This tells me that vessel has the right of way. In other
it's
way shall not be impeded by me.

I hope this helps.

I think you'll find that Donal is objecting to the phrase "right
of way".

otn

That objection is trite IMHO. Why it bothers some people
so much is beyond understanding. That they seem to relish
latching onto such an unimportant issue when other far more
pressing matters are at hand shows they may not be capable
of seeing the bigger picture.

CN

Shen44 wrote:
BG Taking a test is one thing. That requires precise use of the terminology
to be sure you pick the right answer.

Or at least the ability to spot "trick" wording of questions.

Having a "discussion", let's say, preparatory, to taking that test, is another
matter.
During that time, especially with a "Rules" discussion, you want to note all
the possible interpretations and why they are correct or why they can get you
in trouble so that when you take the test (be it a classroom or out on the
water) you know what the rule means as well as what it says.
So, again, I have no problem with someone using the phrase "right of way" in
the context of this type of discussion, when the point about "stand on", "give
way" is being discussed by those who have frequently gone down this waterway
before.
I also have no problem with a quick blurb from someone, reminding us all that
others are reading this who may not be aware of the distinction .... I just
don't feel it requires umpteen post to rehash it.

Agreed on all points. The problem with the term "Right Of Way" is that
it's subject to misinterpretation by many. That's one reason why it's
been dropped from most of the ColRegs. 'Stand On' and 'Give Way' are
much clearer descriptive terms IMHO.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

Subject: Rules of the Road Question #8
From:


This thread IS a test. Please look at the subject header. Thank you!

BB
If a quiz is quizzical, then a test is... ?


LOL Ok, Bill, if you insist. I thought we had taken the test and were into the
discussion stage.
BTW, if you look back, I doubt you'd find a case where I used the term, other
than in the context of the particular inland rule, unless we were discussing
it's "inappropriate" usage.

Shen

Subject: Rules of the Road Question #8
From: DSK


Agreed on all points. The problem with the term "Right Of Way" is that
it's subject to misinterpretation by many. That's one reason why it's
been dropped from most of the ColRegs. 'Stand On' and 'Give Way' are
much clearer descriptive terms IMHO.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King


My feeling on this issue is that the term implies an absolute right on
someone's part, whereas the truth is that ALL vessels are tasked with taking
whatever steps necessary to avoid a collision, be they "stand-on" or "giveway".

Shen

Scott Vernon wrote:

Donal is a liberal. He feels the term ''right of way'' is too harsh
and may hurt somebody's feelings and give them low self esteem.


How could that apply to you?

Cheers

These are actual USCG test questions.

hey, I have feelings too, ya know!!!!!!


"Nav" wrote in message
...


Scott Vernon wrote:

Donal is a liberal. He feels the term ''right of way'' is too
harsh
and may hurt somebody's feelings and give them low self esteem.


How could that apply to you?

Cheers

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Donal is a liberal. He feels the term ''right of way'' is too harsh
and may hurt somebody's feelings and give them low self esteem.

Correct! I am probably one of the nicest people here.



Regards

Donal
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