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DSK December 7th 04 02:43 PM

Scout wrote:
Thanks Seahag,
Don't listen to Scotty, he's just jealous! I made my own out of an old 300
gallon oil tank.


How long did the 300 gallons of oil burn?

DSK


Seahag December 7th 04 04:21 PM

Dang! You could spit roast a cow in that!

Seahag

"Scout" wrote:
Thanks Seahag,
Don't listen to Scotty, he's just jealous! I made my own out of an old 300
gallon oil tank.
Scout

"Seahag" wrote:
Good for Scout! We had a couple of really nice fires over the weekend.
I just love watching a wood fi^)

Seahag

"Scott Vernon" wrote:
Oh, one of those yuppie fireplace things, I think Scout has one too.


"Seahag" wrote:
Freestanding outdoor fireplace thingamabob for Tim's (grey haired
dude from
the boatyard?) backyard so we don't freeze running Scupper! Sheesh!




Jonathan G anz December 7th 04 05:51 PM

Out here we have Peet's Coffee. The owner and the original owner of
Starbucks used to be partners I believe. When they split, the deal was
supposed to be neither would operate in the other's territory. Peet's a very
small. Just a few stores. The coffee is a heck of a lot better.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
If Starbucks is so bad, how come there's one on every corner? They
seem to be busy.

SV

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Doug you have it right again. I say if you want to be snobbish

about
something make it worthwhile. Now being from the great PNW I'm

proud to be
a bona fide Seattle Coffee Snob. Ahhhh...a good dark roast is just

the
thing when properly made. None of that commercialized Starbucks

Crap-ola.
We sensitive palates demand and get better fare. Starbucks is for

the rest
of the planet. On the other hand Doug beer snobs aren't all that

bad. They
don't hold a candle to California Snobs who exist only because they

think a
't' is a 'b.'

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Scott Vernon wrote:
When I drank beer, back in my teens, I preferred Rolling Rock.

We already have enough beer snobs on this NG.

I like Rolling Rock. It's not in the running for Best Beer In The

World
but (as even Mooron acknowledged) a cold one on a hot day really

hits
the spot.

Beer snobbery is just plain dumb. There are much more important

things
to get snobby about. Besides, if I try to be a good host and stock

four
or five kinds of beer on the boat, and guests turn up their nose

at all
choices, then they can always drink water. Or tea.

Fresh Breezes- Doug








Scott Vernon December 7th 04 07:40 PM

Speaking of oil, Scout, did you see any on the Del. from that spill?
How far up is it?

Scotty


"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Scout wrote:
Thanks Seahag,
Don't listen to Scotty, he's just jealous! I made my own out of an

old 300
gallon oil tank.


How long did the 300 gallons of oil burn?

DSK




Nav December 7th 04 09:43 PM



Capt. Neal® wrote:



Going to the west on a broad reach in both cases takes
one over to the weak side of both storms and as one
progress further and further from the path the winds
would back so they would end up in a direction so
one could then reach to close reach on the starboard
tack.

Perhaps this is what is confusing you. You apparently
are using the standard knowledge when one is already
caught in the strong circulation of a storm whereas I
don't wait that long and have more comfortable options.


You propose to cross the likely hurrican track?

Cheers


Capt. Neal® December 7th 04 09:51 PM


You need to look at a map of the Caribbean and the tracks of Frances
and Jeanne. People in Governor's Harbor, Eleuthera, for example
were right in the direct path of the storm.

If they sailed off on a close hauled tack in the NE winds they would
just stayed in the path of the hurricane and put themselves even
more in the dangerous quadrant if and when the storm started
to recurve.

People who were smart like me sailed off on a broad reach to the west
and not only got out of the path of the storm but put themselves
on the weaker side doing it plus putting themselves even farther away
if the storm decided to recurve.

The lesson - don't trust in conventional old sailing saws.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message ...


Capt. Neal® wrote:



Going to the west on a broad reach in both cases takes
one over to the weak side of both storms and as one
progress further and further from the path the winds
would back so they would end up in a direction so
one could then reach to close reach on the starboard
tack.

Perhaps this is what is confusing you. You apparently
are using the standard knowledge when one is already
caught in the strong circulation of a storm whereas I
don't wait that long and have more comfortable options.


You propose to cross the likely hurrican track?

Cheers



Donal December 7th 04 10:08 PM


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
If Starbucks is so bad, how come there's one on every corner? They
seem to be busy.


Are you under the impression that McDonald's serve the best beef?




Regards


Donal
--




Jo nat han Gan z December 7th 04 10:59 PM

You never sailed anywhere. You're full of ****.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...

You need to look at a map of the Caribbean and the tracks of Frances
and Jeanne. People in Governor's Harbor, Eleuthera, for example
were right in the direct path of the storm.

If they sailed off on a close hauled tack in the NE winds they would
just stayed in the path of the hurricane and put themselves even
more in the dangerous quadrant if and when the storm started
to recurve.

People who were smart like me sailed off on a broad reach to the west
and not only got out of the path of the storm but put themselves
on the weaker side doing it plus putting themselves even farther away
if the storm decided to recurve.

The lesson - don't trust in conventional old sailing saws.

CN

"Nav" wrote in message
...


Capt. Neal® wrote:



Going to the west on a broad reach in both cases takes
one over to the weak side of both storms and as one
progress further and further from the path the winds
would back so they would end up in a direction so
one could then reach to close reach on the starboard
tack.

Perhaps this is what is confusing you. You apparently
are using the standard knowledge when one is already
caught in the strong circulation of a storm whereas I
don't wait that long and have more comfortable options.


You propose to cross the likely hurrican track?

Cheers





gonefishiing December 7th 04 11:29 PM

they serve beef?
gf.


"Donal" wrote in message
...

Are you under the impression that McDonald's serve the best beef?




Regards


Donal
--






gonefishiing December 7th 04 11:31 PM

starbucks is about the worst coffee i've ever tasted
it always tastes burnt and have been told they delibrately do this to
extract more caffiene
at $3.50 a cup, it is also the biggest rip off around.
gf.

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
If Starbucks is so bad, how come there's one on every corner? They
seem to be busy.


Are you under the impression that McDonald's serve the best beef?




Regards


Donal
--






Scott Vernon December 8th 04 01:04 AM

As soon as I sent that post I thought of McDonalds. Score one for the
Donut.

Scotty


"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
If Starbucks is so bad, how come there's one on every corner?

They
seem to be busy.


Are you under the impression that McDonald's serve the best beef?




Regards


Donal
--






Scout December 8th 04 01:04 AM

53 years!
Scout

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Scout wrote:
Thanks Seahag,
Don't listen to Scotty, he's just jealous! I made my own out of an old
300 gallon oil tank.


How long did the 300 gallons of oil burn?

DSK




Scout December 8th 04 01:07 AM

It was my old underground oil tank. I stood it on end and used my
reciprocating saw to cut two doors in it. It resembles a refrigerator with a
top and bottom door, both are hinged. I then cut a round hole for smoke pipe
in the top. It works fine!
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Well, that's more like it. I have a few of those tanks out back. Did
you cut it vertically or horizontally? Truck wheels make nice fire
rings for campsites.

Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_


"Scout" wrote in message
...
Thanks Seahag,
Don't listen to Scotty, he's just jealous! I made my own out of an

old 300
gallon oil tank.
Scout

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Good for Scout! We had a couple of really nice fires over the

weekend. I
just love watching a wood fi^)

Seahag

"Scott Vernon" wrote:
Oh, one of those yuppie fireplace things, I think Scout has one

too.


"Seahag" wrote:
Freestanding outdoor fireplace thingamabob for Tim's (grey

haired
dude from
the boatyard?) backyard so we don't freeze running Scupper!

Sheesh!


"Scott Vernon" wrote:
"Chiminea for Tim'' ???


"Seahag" wrote:

It might take longer, we bought a Chiminea for Tim
yesterday...gonna
have
fires all winter!









Scout December 8th 04 01:08 AM

yeah it's huge alright! I haven't roasted a cow yet, but I did hang a
chicken in the smoke pipe.
Scout

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Dang! You could spit roast a cow in that!

Seahag

"Scout" wrote:
Thanks Seahag,
Don't listen to Scotty, he's just jealous! I made my own out of an old
300 gallon oil tank.
Scout

"Seahag" wrote:
Good for Scout! We had a couple of really nice fires over the weekend.
I just love watching a wood fi^)

Seahag

"Scott Vernon" wrote:
Oh, one of those yuppie fireplace things, I think Scout has one too.


"Seahag" wrote:
Freestanding outdoor fireplace thingamabob for Tim's (grey haired
dude from
the boatyard?) backyard so we don't freeze running Scupper! Sheesh!






Seahag December 8th 04 01:36 AM

Did ya do 13 wraps on the knot or cook and eat it???

Seahag

"Scout" wrote in message
...
yeah it's huge alright! I haven't roasted a cow yet, but I did hang a
chicken in the smoke pipe.
Scout

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Dang! You could spit roast a cow in that!

Seahag

"Scout" wrote:
Thanks Seahag,
Don't listen to Scotty, he's just jealous! I made my own out of an old
300 gallon oil tank.
Scout

"Seahag" wrote:
Good for Scout! We had a couple of really nice fires over the weekend.
I just love watching a wood fi^)

Seahag

"Scott Vernon" wrote:
Oh, one of those yuppie fireplace things, I think Scout has one too.


"Seahag" wrote:
Freestanding outdoor fireplace thingamabob for Tim's (grey haired
dude from
the boatyard?) backyard so we don't freeze running Scupper! Sheesh!








Scout December 8th 04 01:39 AM

hehe, we ate it...eventually.
Scout

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Did ya do 13 wraps on the knot or cook and eat it???

Seahag

"Scout" wrote in message
...
yeah it's huge alright! I haven't roasted a cow yet, but I did hang a
chicken in the smoke pipe.
Scout

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Dang! You could spit roast a cow in that!

Seahag

"Scout" wrote:
Thanks Seahag,
Don't listen to Scotty, he's just jealous! I made my own out of an old
300 gallon oil tank.
Scout

"Seahag" wrote:
Good for Scout! We had a couple of really nice fires over the
weekend. I just love watching a wood fi^)

Seahag

"Scott Vernon" wrote:
Oh, one of those yuppie fireplace things, I think Scout has one too.


"Seahag" wrote:
Freestanding outdoor fireplace thingamabob for Tim's (grey haired
dude from
the boatyard?) backyard so we don't freeze running Scupper! Sheesh!









Scott Vernon December 8th 04 01:47 AM

And your trailer park allows it?

Scotty'

"Scout" wrote in message
...
It was my old underground oil tank. I stood it on end and used my
reciprocating saw to cut two doors in it. It resembles a

refrigerator with a
top and bottom door, both are hinged. I then cut a round hole for

smoke pipe
in the top. It works fine!
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Well, that's more like it. I have a few of those tanks out back.

Did
you cut it vertically or horizontally? Truck wheels make nice fire
rings for campsites.

Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_


"Scout" wrote in message

...
Thanks Seahag,
Don't listen to Scotty, he's just jealous! I made my own out of

an
old 300
gallon oil tank.
Scout

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Good for Scout! We had a couple of really nice fires over the

weekend. I
just love watching a wood fi^)

Seahag

"Scott Vernon" wrote:
Oh, one of those yuppie fireplace things, I think Scout has

one
too.


"Seahag" wrote:
Freestanding outdoor fireplace thingamabob for Tim's (grey

haired
dude from
the boatyard?) backyard so we don't freeze running Scupper!

Sheesh!


"Scott Vernon" wrote:
"Chiminea for Tim'' ???


"Seahag" wrote:

It might take longer, we bought a Chiminea for Tim
yesterday...gonna
have
fires all winter!











Scout December 8th 04 01:53 AM

We're ain't zactly "in" the trailer park, but I does stretch a water hose
and extension cord over to my cousin Beavis' box car. We ran us a sewer line
into the storm drain and she works real fine.
Life is good.
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
And your trailer park allows it?

Scotty'

"Scout" wrote in message
...
It was my old underground oil tank. I stood it on end and used my
reciprocating saw to cut two doors in it. It resembles a

refrigerator with a
top and bottom door, both are hinged. I then cut a round hole for

smoke pipe
in the top. It works fine!
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Well, that's more like it. I have a few of those tanks out back.

Did
you cut it vertically or horizontally? Truck wheels make nice fire
rings for campsites.

Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_


"Scout" wrote in message

...
Thanks Seahag,
Don't listen to Scotty, he's just jealous! I made my own out of

an
old 300
gallon oil tank.
Scout

"Seahag" wrote in message
...
Good for Scout! We had a couple of really nice fires over the
weekend. I
just love watching a wood fi^)

Seahag

"Scott Vernon" wrote:
Oh, one of those yuppie fireplace things, I think Scout has

one
too.


"Seahag" wrote:
Freestanding outdoor fireplace thingamabob for Tim's (grey
haired
dude from
the boatyard?) backyard so we don't freeze running Scupper!
Sheesh!


"Scott Vernon" wrote:
"Chiminea for Tim'' ???


"Seahag" wrote:

It might take longer, we bought a Chiminea for Tim
yesterday...gonna
have
fires all winter!













katysails December 8th 04 02:14 AM

Brainwashing propaganda.....give something a classy little name, put it in a
cute cup, and then offer accessories...the bleeding masses fall for it every
time...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
If Starbucks is so bad, how come there's one on every corner? They
seem to be busy.

SV

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Doug you have it right again. I say if you want to be snobbish

about
something make it worthwhile. Now being from the great PNW I'm

proud to be
a bona fide Seattle Coffee Snob. Ahhhh...a good dark roast is just

the
thing when properly made. None of that commercialized Starbucks

Crap-ola.
We sensitive palates demand and get better fare. Starbucks is for

the rest
of the planet. On the other hand Doug beer snobs aren't all that

bad. They
don't hold a candle to California Snobs who exist only because they

think a
't' is a 'b.'

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Scott Vernon wrote:
When I drank beer, back in my teens, I preferred Rolling Rock.

We already have enough beer snobs on this NG.

I like Rolling Rock. It's not in the running for Best Beer In The

World
but (as even Mooron acknowledged) a cold one on a hot day really

hits
the spot.

Beer snobbery is just plain dumb. There are much more important

things
to get snobby about. Besides, if I try to be a good host and stock

four
or five kinds of beer on the boat, and guests turn up their nose

at all
choices, then they can always drink water. Or tea.

Fresh Breezes- Doug








katysails December 8th 04 02:17 AM

Since when did McDonald's switch to beef????

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
If Starbucks is so bad, how come there's one on every corner? They
seem to be busy.


Are you under the impression that McDonald's serve the best beef?




Regards


Donal
--






Nav December 8th 04 08:37 PM

I'd say they burn it so they can get away with using smaller qunatities
of lower quality coffee and still have a cup that has a remote
resemblence to real coffee.

Cheers

gonefishiing wrote:

starbucks is about the worst coffee i've ever tasted
it always tastes burnt and have been told they delibrately do this to
extract more caffiene
at $3.50 a cup, it is also the biggest rip off around.
gf.

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

If Starbucks is so bad, how come there's one on every corner? They
seem to be busy.


Are you under the impression that McDonald's serve the best beef?




Regards


Donal
--








Capt. Neal® December 8th 04 08:46 PM

Starbucks is the very embodiment of the liberal snob
philosophy. They will buy themselves cups of coffee
all day long for close to four bucks a pop but will
not give a dime to some poor blind man with his
cup on the street corner. Then they have the nerve
to claim they fight for the oppressed and identify
with the 'little guy'. What a joke!

CN


"Nav" wrote in message ...
I'd say they burn it so they can get away with using smaller qunatities
of lower quality coffee and still have a cup that has a remote
resemblence to real coffee.

Cheers

gonefishiing wrote:

starbucks is about the worst coffee i've ever tasted
it always tastes burnt and have been told they delibrately do this to
extract more caffiene
at $3.50 a cup, it is also the biggest rip off around.
gf.

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

If Starbucks is so bad, how come there's one on every corner? They
seem to be busy.

Are you under the impression that McDonald's serve the best beef?




Regards


Donal
--








katysails December 9th 04 03:36 AM

Starbuck's ahs a booth at our local superstore (Meijer) so while we were
shopping the other day, Mr Sails went to buy us a cup....when we tasted it,
we thought it burned and returned it and asked for our money back (I will
not pay for crap...) The woman was astounded that we thought the coffee was
bad and insisted that there was no way it could be burned. I told her that
if it wasn't burned then someone needed to wash out their brew machine
because the oils had collected and made the coffee bitter. She still argued
until I finally said I wanted to speak to her manager. What is it with
clerks arguing with customers nowadays? What ever happened to the customer
always being right (not that they are, but clerks should just say "yes,
ma'am and shut up....) The coffee was really bad...you would have had to eat
a jar of TUMS if you'd drunk it all....
"Nav" wrote in message
...
I'd say they burn it so they can get away with using smaller qunatities of
lower quality coffee and still have a cup that has a remote resemblence to
real coffee.

Cheers

gonefishiing wrote:

starbucks is about the worst coffee i've ever tasted
it always tastes burnt and have been told they delibrately do this to
extract more caffiene
at $3.50 a cup, it is also the biggest rip off around.
gf.

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

If Starbucks is so bad, how come there's one on every corner? They
seem to be busy.

Are you under the impression that McDonald's serve the best beef?




Regards


Donal
--










katysails December 9th 04 03:39 AM

We must get a deal on Starbuck's here. It's only 2 bucks a large cup....the
cappuccino and latte are expensive, though...when out, my favorite coffee is
gas station/convenience store coffee...Speedway is good....as is Wesco, but
I think that's only in West MI...the BP station has rotten coffee....


"Capt. Neal®" wrote in message
...
Starbucks is the very embodiment of the liberal snob
philosophy. They will buy themselves cups of coffee
all day long for close to four bucks a pop but will
not give a dime to some poor blind man with his
cup on the street corner. Then they have the nerve
to claim they fight for the oppressed and identify
with the 'little guy'. What a joke!

CN


"Nav" wrote in message
...
I'd say they burn it so they can get away with using smaller qunatities
of lower quality coffee and still have a cup that has a remote
resemblence to real coffee.

Cheers

gonefishiing wrote:

starbucks is about the worst coffee i've ever tasted
it always tastes burnt and have been told they delibrately do this to
extract more caffiene
at $3.50 a cup, it is also the biggest rip off around.
gf.

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

If Starbucks is so bad, how come there's one on every corner? They
seem to be busy.

Are you under the impression that McDonald's serve the best beef?




Regards


Donal
--










Scout December 9th 04 11:19 AM

I haven't been down river that far lately. I'm up near Trenton. I believe it
starts around Philly airport.
Scout

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Speaking of oil, Scout, did you see any on the Del. from that spill?
How far up is it?

Scotty


"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Scout wrote:
Thanks Seahag,
Don't listen to Scotty, he's just jealous! I made my own out of an

old 300
gallon oil tank.


How long did the 300 gallons of oil burn?

DSK






Scout December 9th 04 11:29 AM

I like to start every day off with a big mug of Folgers Classic roast with a
couple ounces of soy milk.
Good stuff.
Scout

"Michael" wrote in message
...
Doug you have it right again. I say if you want to be snobbish about
something make it worthwhile. Now being from the great PNW I'm proud to
be
a bona fide Seattle Coffee Snob. Ahhhh...a good dark roast is just the
thing when properly made. None of that commercialized Starbucks Crap-ola.
We sensitive palates demand and get better fare. Starbucks is for the
rest
of the planet. On the other hand Doug beer snobs aren't all that bad.
They
don't hold a candle to California Snobs who exist only because they think
a
't' is a 'b.'

"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Scott Vernon wrote:
When I drank beer, back in my teens, I preferred Rolling Rock.

We already have enough beer snobs on this NG.


I like Rolling Rock. It's not in the running for Best Beer In The World
but (as even Mooron acknowledged) a cold one on a hot day really hits
the spot.

Beer snobbery is just plain dumb. There are much more important things
to get snobby about. Besides, if I try to be a good host and stock four
or five kinds of beer on the boat, and guests turn up their nose at all
choices, then they can always drink water. Or tea.

Fresh Breezes- Doug






Scout December 9th 04 11:53 AM

too true Katy,
your story reminds me of the old fable, "the King's New Clothes"
Scout

"katysails" wrote in message
...
Starbuck's ahs a booth at our local superstore (Meijer) so while we were
shopping the other day, Mr Sails went to buy us a cup....when we tasted
it, we thought it burned and returned it and asked for our money back (I
will not pay for crap...) The woman was astounded that we thought the
coffee was bad and insisted that there was no way it could be burned. I
told her that if it wasn't burned then someone needed to wash out their
brew machine because the oils had collected and made the coffee bitter.
She still argued until I finally said I wanted to speak to her manager.
What is it with clerks arguing with customers nowadays? What ever
happened to the customer always being right (not that they are, but clerks
should just say "yes, ma'am and shut up....) The coffee was really
bad...you would have had to eat a jar of TUMS if you'd drunk it all....
"Nav" wrote in message
...
I'd say they burn it so they can get away with using smaller qunatities
of lower quality coffee and still have a cup that has a remote
resemblence to real coffee.

Cheers

gonefishiing wrote:

starbucks is about the worst coffee i've ever tasted
it always tastes burnt and have been told they delibrately do this to
extract more caffiene
at $3.50 a cup, it is also the biggest rip off around.
gf.

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...

If Starbucks is so bad, how come there's one on every corner? They
seem to be busy.

Are you under the impression that McDonald's serve the best beef?




Regards


Donal
--












Horvath December 9th 04 12:17 PM

On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:29:19 GMT, "Scout"
wrote this crap:

I like to start every day off with a big mug of Folgers Classic roast with a
couple ounces of soy milk.



Milk is for children. I put rum in my coffee.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!

Scout December 9th 04 12:21 PM

Milk is a nominal term here. It's really a vegetable product, like rum, only
not as sweet.
Scout

"Horvath" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:29:19 GMT, "Scout"
wrote this crap:

I like to start every day off with a big mug of Folgers Classic roast with
a
couple ounces of soy milk.



Milk is for children. I put rum in my coffee.





Pathetic Earthlings! No one can save you now!





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