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Other than to point out that you're wrong, please point to any 'ad
hominem' attacks I've made. Vito wrote: I'd call "narrow viewpoint" such an attack OK, I apologize for calling your viewpoint narrow. I should have realized you'd be offended at any expectation of including real world facts. Jews were simply Canaanites with a different religion Baloney. References, please. Discovery Channel Oh, you saw it on TV so it's a definite fact? Please explain how DNA testing can identify the consanguinity between people who lived 3,000 years ago, when the identity of the people tested is an open question. The Jewish Diaspora was less than 50% of the population. ..... That's not what the emperor was told .... orders were "kill 'em all" If you know otherwise please cite. I suggest you read a bit of actual history. The episodes in question can be found in Vespasian, Trajan, and Josephus. Some of the Septuarchy talks a lot about it too. That leaves a very large percent still there chugging along day to day. Rather that leaves a very large number of people chugging along, including a few Jews gone underground. ??? A thousand years later, the Crusaders found large Jewish populations in the Holy Land. The Muslim rulers of the area, under various dynasties, usually found it prudent & profitable to give a number of special dispensations to Jews in these territories. No notable event in almost two thousand years? Isn't this leaving out a good bit? Nothing important to this discussion. In other words, nothing that supports your statements. A large number of events that contradict them, though. ... Christians tried their best to destroy all of the knowledge and science western man ahd accumulated and replace it with their myths but that has little effect on Euro-Jewish history. ??? It seems likely that the Christian churches adopted/adapted local customs and pagan rituals & holidays wholesale. What does a tree have to do with Christmas, or a bunny with Easter? You're getting your eras and epochs all confused. The Catholic Church was the repository of all knowledge in the West, and all types of learning was sought after. Look at some of the stories of pilgrimages, bringing back scrolls of Aristotle etc etc. Read a bit about Alfred the Great, Alcuin, the Carolingian Renaissance, etc etc. The Church did not set itself against knowledge until the later Renaissance, when science began to contradict some of the doctrines the Church had simply made up generations earlier. Then you have people like Bishop Ussher, who no doubt was a fairly intelligent man, but applied his brainpower rather foolishly and the result of course is laughed at. The Church decided at some point to deal in hocus-pocus and fol-de-rol instead of actual knowledge, probably because it's easier to pretend to be smart than to actually learn stuff and peasants usually don't know the difference. The result plagues our society today. Having no place to go, but with historial ties to Roman Judea, these EUROPEANS invaded what had become Palistine and created the Jewish State of Israel. Uh huh. If this were the case, then what was the Balfour Doctrine all about, about twenty years earlier? I never said there was NO Zionist movement Oh, OK. You just forgot to mention it and would prefer to think it's an insignificant little detail, right? ... - a flow of outsiders into Palistine - before the war. Well, where do you think the "Palestinians" came from? Dropped from Heaven into that place? They were merely another group who wandered in and usurped the land. So why, in your opinion, does their right to accupy historical Judea and Israel supercede the Jews? Does this right include killing all Jews who happen to still live there and stealing their property? .... Until the halocost, Euro Jews had as little interest in moving to Palistine as US Jews do today - they had their own rich comfortable Euro-Jewish culture, even their own language (Yiddish). The few who did go were assimilated. IMHO that's a bit of an exaggeration. It's true that emigration into Israel picked up quite a lot after WW2... the biggest numbers were from Russia, though. And it's only logical that once the state of Israel was established and a going concern, that more Jewish people moved there. BTW Quite a lot of them did not speak Yiddish at all. Please note that Yiddish at this point is basically a dead language, Israel's language is Hebrew. |
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