In article , Joe
wrote:

Capt. Neal® wrote in message
...
There is a large difference between making minor interior mods
and or improving deck fittings, etc. and cutting one's boat in
half.


On a steel boat its not that big of a deal. Been done thousands of times.

Yeah - on freighters & tankers with a constant draft whose hulls are
generally U-shaped in X-section. Not yachts.

If you're serious get a copy of Tom Colvin's book on steel
boatbuilding; there's some info in there about doing this and the
things to watch for. Or email me and I'll look it up in my copy. One of
my ships sails this evening so I should have a bit of free time in the
next week or 2.

PDW

Peter Wiley wrote in message ...
In article , Joe
wrote:

Capt. Neal® wrote in message
...
There is a large difference between making minor interior mods
and or improving deck fittings, etc. and cutting one's boat in
half.


On a steel boat its not that big of a deal. Been done thousands of times.

Yeah - on freighters & tankers with a constant draft whose hulls are
generally U-shaped in X-section. Not yachts.

I do not have a yacht, I have a Moter sailing vessel of Yacht quality.
Yachties want bow thrusters and chrome anchors.

I do have access to some of the largest and finest english wheels in
the world.
And I have a well studied eye of proper lines camber and curves.

Thanks for the suggestions but for some reason I doubt Tom has spent
most of his life living on steel hulls. Even if he has, I would trust
my decisions over most others including Bruce Roberts. Now if you
could hook me up with Herreshoff I would pay attention to design tips.

Thanks have a safe trip

Joe





If you're serious get a copy of Tom Colvin's book on steel
boatbuilding; there's some info in there about doing this and the
things to watch for. Or email me and I'll look it up in my copy. One of
my ships sails this evening so I should have a bit of free time in the
next week or 2.

PDW

Joe wrote:
I do not have a yacht, I have a Moter sailing vessel of Yacht quality.

uh huh.


Thanks for the suggestions but for some reason I doubt Tom has spent
most of his life living on steel hulls. Even if he has, I would trust
my decisions over most others including Bruce Roberts.

If you think Bruce Roberts trumps Tom Colvin, then you're clueless.


... Now if you
could hook me up with Herreshoff I would pay attention to design tips.

You can email or snail mail Halsey Herreshoff but he's probably not
interested even if youo could afford him. You'd need to hold a seance to
get in touch with Nat or L. Francis; maybe the new fake Crapton is in
touch with the spirit world.

Fresh Breezes- Doug King

DSK wrote in message ...
Joe wrote:
I do not have a yacht, I have a Moter sailing vessel of Yacht quality.

uh huh.


Thanks for the suggestions but for some reason I doubt Tom has spent
most of his life living on steel hulls. Even if he has, I would trust
my decisions over most others including Bruce Roberts.

If you think Bruce Roberts trumps Tom Colvin, then you're clueless.

I've never cared for Colvins layout or his hulls. All look to 70's to
to me.
Not one of his hulls has the grace of RedCloud. I think RedCloud was
modeled after a 1800's clipper hull.

Bruce Roberts has had his problems as well, but I do like his
trawlers.



... Now if you
could hook me up with Herreshoff I would pay attention to design tips.

You can email or snail mail Halsey Herreshoff but he's probably not
interested even if youo could afford him. You'd need to hold a seance to
get in touch with Nat or L. Francis; maybe the new fake Crapton is in
touch with the spirit world.

Could be, again I think RedCloud has the finest lines of any steel
hull Ive ever seen. But I have not been able to find out who buildt
her.

I posted several time on many British English sites because I found
some gear marked C. Warden Lowenstolt England but no one recalls
seeing her.

Perhaps Halsey's dad did indeed design her. I will send him a picture
and information. Do you have his e-mail address by chance?

Thanks Doug


Joe



Fresh Breezes- Doug King

In article , Joe
wrote:

Peter Wiley wrote in message
...
In article , Joe
wrote:

Capt. Neal® wrote in message
...
There is a large difference between making minor interior mods
and or improving deck fittings, etc. and cutting one's boat in
half.


On a steel boat its not that big of a deal. Been done thousands of times.

Yeah - on freighters & tankers with a constant draft whose hulls are
generally U-shaped in X-section. Not yachts.

I do not have a yacht, I have a Moter sailing vessel of Yacht quality.

What's that got to do with the hull shape? Is the X-section of the hull
where you're planning on cutting it U or V shaped? Is the keel
horizontal to the WL or is there any drag? Etc etc.

Yachties want bow thrusters and chrome anchors.

I do have access to some of the largest and finest english wheels in
the world.
And I have a well studied eye of proper lines camber and curves.

Thanks for the suggestions but for some reason I doubt Tom has spent
most of his life living on steel hulls.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha. Tom is a naval architect, ran his own boat
building yard for years, has over 300 designs to his credit and at
close to 80, he's *still* building boats. He specialises in metal
boats, primarily steel, and has designed, built & sailed his own
designs for longer than you've been alive, probably. His books are the
best reference works on steel boatbuilding for craft less than 80' ever
written.

Do a bit of research, Joe. You won't look quite so stupid. I was going
to say ignorant but ignorance is curable with effort and you're
apparently not going to make any.

Even if he has, I would trust
my decisions over most others including Bruce Roberts.

Bruce Roberts is a rank amateur.

Now if you
could hook me up with Herreshoff I would pay attention to design tips.

Riiiiiight. I thought you were just trolling, now I'm sure of it. I
won't waste my time any further.

Thanks have a safe trip

Got rid of the ship for this voyage, I'm not sailing until 20 December
or thereabouts.

PDW

Peter Wiley wrote

Riiiiiight. I thought you were just trolling, now I'm sure of it. I
won't waste my time any further.


Well geee Peter. Having you on a hook is just plain dull.

Of course it was a trool! Everone bit but the boobfish I was fishin
for.

I found the perfect boat to start with and do not need "Stepping
Stones".

You think Im really going to section my fine boat? I could but the
truth is RedCloud is perfect how she is. She is large enough to be
roomy for 2 and I can single handle her



Thanks have a safe trip

Got rid of the ship for this voyage, I'm not sailing until 20 December
or thereabouts.


What do you sail on? Where do you go? You licenced? Union?


Joe


PDW

In article , Joe
wrote:

Peter Wiley wrote

Riiiiiight. I thought you were just trolling, now I'm sure of it. I
won't waste my time any further.


Well geee Peter. Having you on a hook is just plain dull.

Of course it was a trool! Everone bit but the boobfish I was fishin
for.

I found the perfect boat to start with and do not need "Stepping
Stones".

You think Im really going to section my fine boat? I could but the
truth is RedCloud is perfect how she is. She is large enough to be
roomy for 2 and I can single handle her

Nah, I didn't think you were gonna do it. Has been done tho.



Thanks have a safe trip

Got rid of the ship for this voyage, I'm not sailing until 20 December
or thereabouts.


What do you sail on? Where do you go? You licenced? Union?

For work, mostly a 6500 tonne class 1 icebreaker equipped for
scientific research these days. Mainly out of Hobart down to the
Antarctic continent, over to Heard Island, etc etc. In the past, a
large variety of fishing trawlers, oceanographic research vessels and
the like. Been a lotta places but all in the Southern Hemisphere so
far. I hold a couple licences for workboats but not blue water big
ships, these days I run the computer networks, datalogging systems,
software, scientific sampling equipment etc etc. I'm running a marine
engineering R&D group.

Occasionally I get to drive the icebreaker when we're actually breaking
ice since my guys & I have been sailing with the crew for so long that
they treat us as part of them. 4th Mate :-) Powerboating writ large,
conning a big ship down ice leads and doing bank shots off the sides to
go round a corner tighter than the ships turning radius. An experience
few people will ever have.

PDW

Peter Wiley wrote in message

Occasionally I get to drive the icebreaker when we're actually breaking
ice since my guys & I have been sailing with the crew for so long that
they treat us as part of them. 4th Mate :-) Powerboating writ large,
conning a big ship down ice leads and doing bank shots off the sides to
go round a corner tighter than the ships turning radius. An experience
few people will ever have.

Sounds like a blast. Id love to take a 6,900 ton icebreaker and crush
every powerboat in this marina. But as you say... only the very lucky
get a shot at so much fun.

Joe



PDW

(Joe) wrote in message . com...
Peter Wiley wrote in message

Occasionally I get to drive the icebreaker when we're actually breaking
ice since my guys & I have been sailing with the crew for so long that
they treat us as part of them. 4th Mate :-) Powerboating writ large,
conning a big ship down ice leads and doing bank shots off the sides to
go round a corner tighter than the ships turning radius. An experience
few people will ever have.

Sounds like a blast. Id love to take a 6,900 ton icebreaker and crush
every powerboat in this marina.

Amen. And the people who invented PWC should be cloned, tortured to
death in front of their clones, then the clones dealt with as well.
Fortunately PWC are rare here.

Ah well. Friday night sailing, Saturday sailing, Sunday building then
kayaking, Monday in the office but if the weather holds, sailing after
I get home. Hope you guys are enjoying winter, tho as I remember it in
AZ it was pretty nice, assume TX is OK too.

PDW