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In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:
As to your first comment, I believe Albert Einstein summed it up best, when
asked if he could recall, verbatim, a fairly simple mathematical formula.
He responded by asking the inquirer why anyone would memorize such a thing
when it could be obtained so easily from a printed reference. The
difference between educated people and those without the benefit of same is
that the scholar knows where to look to find answers to his dilemmas.

Please do let us know when you find the answers to yours.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

In article ,
Dave wrote:
Not my study, and your IQ is a bit low for this ng. You might want
to consider taking a remedial course or two. Even Mr. Poodle has a
higher IQ.

Since you've opened the subject, perhaps you'd like to tell us all what
"your" IQ is, Jon.

I've corrected your typo. I'm sure it was just an oversight.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

Maxprop wrote:
Stanford-Binet: 144
Wechsler: 130

Not a genius, but not bad either.

But it doesn't do you much good, does it... you're still dumb enough to
claim... repeatedly... that I am a "liberal."

DSK

In article ,
Dave wrote:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:52:36 +1100, OzOne said:

True to a degree. Though in some cases I'm sure the out-of-school hours of
private tutoring the parents paid for also played a role.

Dave T.

You assume too much.

Are you suggesting there was no tutoring, or that it didn't help?

In your case, does it matter?

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

OzOne wrote in message

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:57:17 GMT, "Maxprop"
scribbled thusly:

OzOne wrote in message

This help?
http://sq.4mg.com/IQ-States.htm

How utterly laughable. SAT and ACT tests do not have any correlation
whatever between test scores and IQ scores. What BS. Here's another
revelation for ya: High SAT and ACT test scores also have no correlation
with success in college either. Why they continue to be used by colleges
is
a mystery. Even the universities admit this. Guess they need extra
papers
for their admissions offices to shuffle.

OR
Do you want the survey by state on the percentage of people with
college degrees....guess what.....it comes to the same
conclusion.....those states with less degrees voted republican.

Duh. Manufacturing and agriculture states naturally won't have as high a
percentage of university diplomates as those with little or no mfr. or
ag.
But don't forget that those industrial employees in the red states are
generally the ones that voted democrat. Does the word "union" ring a
bell.
Farmers and ag workers are probably split between GOP and dems.
Regardless, your silly contention holds no water, Oz. Better stick to
shooting roos and dingos.

http://www.ginandtacos.com/education.jpg

Right. I've always gotten my precise demographic information from
websites
called gin and tacos, too. Sheesh.

Max

Awwww...Methinks he doth protest too much !

Bwaaahahahahahhahaahahahahahhahahahaaaaa!
Dave, you crack me up!

Max, actually . . .

BTW....no roos nor dingoes around here...'cept a few in Taronga Park
Zoo.

I'm sure you can find something to kill.

Max

"Dave" wrote in message

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:57:17 GMT, "Maxprop" said:

How utterly laughable. SAT and ACT tests do not have any correlation
whatever between test scores and IQ scores. What BS. Here's another
revelation for ya: High SAT and ACT test scores also have no correlation
with success in college either. Why they continue to be used by colleges
is
a mystery. Even the universities admit this. Guess they need extra
papers
for their admissions offices to shuffle.

I think that's a bit of an overstatement. I think you'll find there is
some
correlation, but less than perfect correlation in each case.

My info is from an independent university (forgotten which, sorry) study
done in the early 80s which attempted to demonstrate a correlation between
success in college and high SAT or ACT scores. Needless to say I was
surprised to learn that the correlation was simply not there. I don't
recall the exact numbers--it's been a while since I saw that
publication--but the correlation coeficient was below the level of
significance.

There are a
number of factors that will affect success in college, but very few are
going to highly successful in college if they lack the basic capacity to
learn quickly, and all of the tests do measure that ability, though
imperfectly.

Apparently those other "number of factors" play a greater role in the
process. And as you well know, success on college admission examinations
can be the result of many disparate variables as well, such as
socio-economic background, and the ability to take tests effectively,
neither of which relates to "the basic capacity to learn quickly."

To take an anecdotal example, my daughter attended an elementary school
where the minimum criterion for admission was a very high IQ score,
regardless of the parents' wealth. She then attended a private prep school
where the parents' money was at least a significant admission factor for
many students and the average IQ was much lower. The two groups were just
about on a par in their college records of both admissions and
performance.

Your example appears to support my contention rather than your own.
Regardless, the contention of the radical left that SAT/ACT scores
correlates with IQ is bogus, and laughable.

Max

OzOne wrote in message

On 10 Nov 2004 11:05:26 -0600, Dave scribbled
thusly:

To take an anecdotal example, my daughter attended an elementary school
where the minimum criterion for admission was a very high IQ score,
regardless of the parents' wealth. She then attended a private prep
school
where the parents' money was at least a significant admission factor for
many students and the average IQ was much lower. The two groups were just
about on a par in their college records of both admissions and
performance.

Yep, one group had brains, the other a work ethic passed from their
successful parents.

So how does this support your contention that SAT/ACT scores correlate with
IQ????? Two groups with disparate IQ averages, and both scored roughly the
same on the tests. Did the significance of this escape you?

Max

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message

Maxprop wrote:

Did you know that hair and eye color are also good predictors of
intelligence, Jon?

Well, actually they aren't, but the Nazi's believed it to be so.

Well, so you're telling us that you keep your eyes closed and are
bald. Ok.

Blue eyes and a full, beautiful head of hair. How about you, Jon?

Max