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http://www.sailnow.com/gifs/maps_2004_vs_1850.jpg -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Joe" wrote in message om... http://www.geocities.com/gunversatio...ocrat-seal.jpg Joe |
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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
... Yes, I'm gay. "Joe" wrote in message om... http://www.geocities.com/gunversatio...ocrat-seal.jpg Joe |
Bottom line = Bush won !!!!!!!
OzOne wrote in message ... On 8 Nov 2004 10:53:44 -0800, (Joe) scribbled thusly: http://www.geocities.com/gunversatio...ocrat-seal.jpg Joe Actually, This says it all http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm State Avg. IQ 2004 1 Connecticut 113 Kerry 2 Massachusetts 111 Kerry 3 New Jersey 111 Kerry 4 New York 109 Kerry 5 Rhode Island 107 Kerry 6 Hawaii 106 Kerry 7 Maryland 105 Kerry 8 New Hampshire 105 Kerry 9 Illinois 104 Kerry 10 Delaware 103 Kerry 11 Minnesota 102 Kerry 12 Vermont 102 Kerry 13 Washington 102 Kerry 14 California 101 Kerry 15 Pennsylvania 101 Kerry 16 Maine 100 Kerry 17 Virginia 100 Bush 18 Wisconsin 100 Kerry 19 Colorado 99 Bush 20 Iowa 99 Bush 21 Michigan 99 Kerry 22 Nevada 99 Bush 23 Ohio 99 Bush 24 Oregon 99 Kerry 25 Alaska 98 Bush 26 Florida 98 Bush 27 Missouri 98 Bush 28 Kansas 96 Bush 29 Nebraska 95 Bush 30 Arizona 94 Bush 31 Indiana 94 Bush 32 Tennessee 94 Bush 33 North Carolina 93 Bush 34 West Virginia 93 Bush 35 Arkansas 92 Bush 36 Georgia 92 Bush 37 Kentucky 92 Bush 38 New Mexico 92 Bush 39 North Dakota 92 Bush 40 Texas 92 Bush 41 Alabama 90 Bush 42 Louisiana 90 Bush 43 Montana 90 Bush 44 Oklahoma 90 Bush 45 South Dakota 90 Bush 46 South Carolina 89 Bush 47 Wyoming 89 Bush 48 Idaho 87 Bush 49 Utah 87 Bush 50 Mississippi 85 Bush Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
OzOne wrote in message ... On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 18:07:32 -0500, "Scott Vernon" scribbled thusly: Bottom line = Bush won !!!!!!! Yeah, and moved toTexas to improve the gene pool. of Texas? |
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
... Bottom line = I'm stupid !!!!!!! OzOne wrote in message ... On 8 Nov 2004 10:53:44 -0800, (Joe) scribbled thusly: http://www.geocities.com/gunversatio...ocrat-seal.jpg Joe Actually, This says it all http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm State Avg. IQ 2004 1 Connecticut 113 Kerry 2 Massachusetts 111 Kerry 3 New Jersey 111 Kerry 4 New York 109 Kerry 5 Rhode Island 107 Kerry 6 Hawaii 106 Kerry 7 Maryland 105 Kerry 8 New Hampshire 105 Kerry 9 Illinois 104 Kerry 10 Delaware 103 Kerry 11 Minnesota 102 Kerry 12 Vermont 102 Kerry 13 Washington 102 Kerry 14 California 101 Kerry 15 Pennsylvania 101 Kerry 16 Maine 100 Kerry 17 Virginia 100 Bush 18 Wisconsin 100 Kerry 19 Colorado 99 Bush 20 Iowa 99 Bush 21 Michigan 99 Kerry 22 Nevada 99 Bush 23 Ohio 99 Bush 24 Oregon 99 Kerry 25 Alaska 98 Bush 26 Florida 98 Bush 27 Missouri 98 Bush 28 Kansas 96 Bush 29 Nebraska 95 Bush 30 Arizona 94 Bush 31 Indiana 94 Bush 32 Tennessee 94 Bush 33 North Carolina 93 Bush 34 West Virginia 93 Bush 35 Arkansas 92 Bush 36 Georgia 92 Bush 37 Kentucky 92 Bush 38 New Mexico 92 Bush 39 North Dakota 92 Bush 40 Texas 92 Bush 41 Alabama 90 Bush 42 Louisiana 90 Bush 43 Montana 90 Bush 44 Oklahoma 90 Bush 45 South Dakota 90 Bush 46 South Carolina 89 Bush 47 Wyoming 89 Bush 48 Idaho 87 Bush 49 Utah 87 Bush 50 Mississippi 85 Bush Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
Actually, This says it all http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm State Avg. IQ 2004 1 Connecticut 113 Kerry 2 Massachusetts 111 Kerry 3 New Jersey 111 Kerry 4 New York 109 Kerry 5 Rhode Island 107 Kerry 6 Hawaii 106 Kerry 7 Maryland 105 Kerry 8 New Hampshire 105 Kerry 9 Illinois 104 Kerry 10 Delaware 103 Kerry 11 Minnesota 102 Kerry 12 Vermont 102 Kerry 13 Washington 102 Kerry 14 California 101 Kerry 15 Pennsylvania 101 Kerry 16 Maine 100 Kerry 17 Virginia 100 Bush 18 Wisconsin 100 Kerry 19 Colorado 99 Bush 20 Iowa 99 Bush 21 Michigan 99 Kerry 22 Nevada 99 Bush 23 Ohio 99 Bush 24 Oregon 99 Kerry 25 Alaska 98 Bush 26 Florida 98 Bush 27 Missouri 98 Bush 28 Kansas 96 Bush 29 Nebraska 95 Bush 30 Arizona 94 Bush 31 Indiana 94 Bush 32 Tennessee 94 Bush 33 North Carolina 93 Bush 34 West Virginia 93 Bush 35 Arkansas 92 Bush 36 Georgia 92 Bush 37 Kentucky 92 Bush 38 New Mexico 92 Bush 39 North Dakota 92 Bush 40 Texas 92 Bush 41 Alabama 90 Bush 42 Louisiana 90 Bush 43 Montana 90 Bush 44 Oklahoma 90 Bush 45 South Dakota 90 Bush 46 South Carolina 89 Bush 47 Wyoming 89 Bush 48 Idaho 87 Bush 49 Utah 87 Bush 50 Mississippi 85 Bush This is pretty amazing bull****, considering that less than 2% of Americans undergo any sort of testing to ascertain intelligence. Waaaay back when, US school kids were given Stanford Binet or Wechsler IQ assessment scores via testing, but that practice stopped eons ago, mostly because such scores were grossly inaccurate or even prejudicial. So where did this info originate (above). In some liberal's wildest imagination, no doubt. State some facts, Oz, not garbage. Max |
I suggest you get in line immediately to be tested. If they find any
intelligence, please let us know. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com "Maxprop" wrote in message ink.net... Actually, This says it all http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm State Avg. IQ 2004 1 Connecticut 113 Kerry 2 Massachusetts 111 Kerry 3 New Jersey 111 Kerry 4 New York 109 Kerry 5 Rhode Island 107 Kerry 6 Hawaii 106 Kerry 7 Maryland 105 Kerry 8 New Hampshire 105 Kerry 9 Illinois 104 Kerry 10 Delaware 103 Kerry 11 Minnesota 102 Kerry 12 Vermont 102 Kerry 13 Washington 102 Kerry 14 California 101 Kerry 15 Pennsylvania 101 Kerry 16 Maine 100 Kerry 17 Virginia 100 Bush 18 Wisconsin 100 Kerry 19 Colorado 99 Bush 20 Iowa 99 Bush 21 Michigan 99 Kerry 22 Nevada 99 Bush 23 Ohio 99 Bush 24 Oregon 99 Kerry 25 Alaska 98 Bush 26 Florida 98 Bush 27 Missouri 98 Bush 28 Kansas 96 Bush 29 Nebraska 95 Bush 30 Arizona 94 Bush 31 Indiana 94 Bush 32 Tennessee 94 Bush 33 North Carolina 93 Bush 34 West Virginia 93 Bush 35 Arkansas 92 Bush 36 Georgia 92 Bush 37 Kentucky 92 Bush 38 New Mexico 92 Bush 39 North Dakota 92 Bush 40 Texas 92 Bush 41 Alabama 90 Bush 42 Louisiana 90 Bush 43 Montana 90 Bush 44 Oklahoma 90 Bush 45 South Dakota 90 Bush 46 South Carolina 89 Bush 47 Wyoming 89 Bush 48 Idaho 87 Bush 49 Utah 87 Bush 50 Mississippi 85 Bush This is pretty amazing bull****, considering that less than 2% of Americans undergo any sort of testing to ascertain intelligence. Waaaay back when, US school kids were given Stanford Binet or Wechsler IQ assessment scores via testing, but that practice stopped eons ago, mostly because such scores were grossly inaccurate or even prejudicial. So where did this info originate (above). In some liberal's wildest imagination, no doubt. State some facts, Oz, not garbage. Max |
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Dave wrote: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:46:12 +1100, OzOne said: This help? http://sq.4mg.com/IQ-States.htm Considerably. It shows almost conclusively that people in the blue states are more likely to have had their kid take a prep course for the SATs or ACTs. Is that a bad thing? Seems pretty smart to me... -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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Dave wrote: On 9 Nov 2004 14:51:06 -0800, (Jonathan Ganz) said: Considerably. It shows almost conclusively that people in the blue states are more likely to have had their kid take a prep course for the SATs or ACTs. Is that a bad thing? Seems pretty smart to me... Jon, must I draw you a picture of everything? The point is that the underlying assumption of the presentation--that SAT scores can be used to predict likely scores on an IQ test-- is flawed. I think you need to draw the picture for yourself. If the parents had the smarts to put their kid in a prep course, that would be a good predicter of intelligence. I guess there really are some stupid lawyers. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
PA is above CO., Does that make me smarter than Gilligan?
SV OzOne wrote in message ... On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:07:54 GMT, "Maxprop" scribbled thusly: Actually, This says it all http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm State Avg. IQ 2004 1 Connecticut 113 Kerry 2 Massachusetts 111 Kerry 3 New Jersey 111 Kerry 4 New York 109 Kerry 5 Rhode Island 107 Kerry 6 Hawaii 106 Kerry 7 Maryland 105 Kerry 8 New Hampshire 105 Kerry 9 Illinois 104 Kerry 10 Delaware 103 Kerry 11 Minnesota 102 Kerry 12 Vermont 102 Kerry 13 Washington 102 Kerry 14 California 101 Kerry 15 Pennsylvania 101 Kerry 16 Maine 100 Kerry 17 Virginia 100 Bush 18 Wisconsin 100 Kerry 19 Colorado 99 Bush 20 Iowa 99 Bush 21 Michigan 99 Kerry 22 Nevada 99 Bush 23 Ohio 99 Bush 24 Oregon 99 Kerry 25 Alaska 98 Bush 26 Florida 98 Bush 27 Missouri 98 Bush 28 Kansas 96 Bush 29 Nebraska 95 Bush 30 Arizona 94 Bush 31 Indiana 94 Bush 32 Tennessee 94 Bush 33 North Carolina 93 Bush 34 West Virginia 93 Bush 35 Arkansas 92 Bush 36 Georgia 92 Bush 37 Kentucky 92 Bush 38 New Mexico 92 Bush 39 North Dakota 92 Bush 40 Texas 92 Bush 41 Alabama 90 Bush 42 Louisiana 90 Bush 43 Montana 90 Bush 44 Oklahoma 90 Bush 45 South Dakota 90 Bush 46 South Carolina 89 Bush 47 Wyoming 89 Bush 48 Idaho 87 Bush 49 Utah 87 Bush 50 Mississippi 85 Bush This is pretty amazing bull****, considering that less than 2% of Americans undergo any sort of testing to ascertain intelligence. Waaaay back when, US school kids were given Stanford Binet or Wechsler IQ assessment scores via testing, but that practice stopped eons ago, mostly because such scores were grossly inaccurate or even prejudicial. So where did this info originate (above). In some liberal's wildest imagination, no doubt. State some facts, Oz, not garbage. This help? http://sq.4mg.com/IQ-States.htm Max OR Do you want the survey by state on the percentage of people with college degrees....guess what.....it comes to the same conclusion.....those states with less degrees voted republican. http://www.ginandtacos.com/education.jpg Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Scott Vernon wrote: PA is above CO., Does that make me smarter than Gilligan? No one is as smartass as Gilligan. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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Dave wrote: On 9 Nov 2004 15:57:42 -0800, (Jonathan Ganz) said: I think you need to draw the picture for yourself. If the parents had the smarts to put their kid in a prep course, that would be a good predicter of intelligence. Not really. It would correlate strongly with how much money the parents had, and how plugged in they were to the college admission process (which probably varies considerably from region to region). It would correlate much less strongly with the parents' IQ. So, income and understanding of college admission processes and procedures are not correlated to raw IQ? I guess those highly intelligent guys in prison are a lot more savvy than the lawyers, doctors, and high tech professionals. Of course, in your case, I couldn't agree more. g -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
Scott Vernon wrote:
PA is above CO., Does that make me smarter than Gilligan? Not really. The fact that Gilligan plays with sock puppets and you don't makes you smarter than him! DSK |
be quiet dummy, NC was 33rd.
;) "DSK" wrote in message ... Scott Vernon wrote: PA is above CO., Does that make me smarter than Gilligan? Not really. The fact that Gilligan plays with sock puppets and you don't makes you smarter than him! DSK |
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Dave wrote: On 9 Nov 2004 16:46:01 -0800, (Jonathan Ganz) said: Not really. It would correlate strongly with how much money the parents had, and how plugged in they were to the college admission process (which probably varies considerably from region to region). It would correlate much less strongly with the parents' IQ. So, income and understanding of college admission processes and procedures are not correlated to raw IQ? As usual, a total non-sequitur. Why am I not surprised? A better question is why you so stupid. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
PA is above CO., Does that make me smarter than Gilligan?
Nope, but it makes you a bigger idiot than the Skipper. RB |
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It is possible for the Mind to store millions of bits of information but still be uneducated;----I've forgot who made the statement but it couldn't be truer when you look at the Oz post. If you print out the http at the beginning of his line of BS you will see that the origial had been retracked and that was in 2000. Ole Thom |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message they find any intelligence, please let us know. Stanford-Binet: 144 Wechsler: 130 Not a genius, but not bad either. Better than your BS "study" quoted for any of the Kerry states. Max |
OzOne wrote in message This help? http://sq.4mg.com/IQ-States.htm How utterly laughable. SAT and ACT tests do not have any correlation whatever between test scores and IQ scores. What BS. Here's another revelation for ya: High SAT and ACT test scores also have no correlation with success in college either. Why they continue to be used by colleges is a mystery. Even the universities admit this. Guess they need extra papers for their admissions offices to shuffle. OR Do you want the survey by state on the percentage of people with college degrees....guess what.....it comes to the same conclusion.....those states with less degrees voted republican. Duh. Manufacturing and agriculture states naturally won't have as high a percentage of university diplomates as those with little or no mfr. or ag. But don't forget that those industrial employees in the red states are generally the ones that voted democrat. Does the word "union" ring a bell. Farmers and ag workers are probably split between GOP and dems. Regardless, your silly contention holds no water, Oz. Better stick to shooting roos and dingos. http://www.ginandtacos.com/education.jpg Right. I've always gotten my precise demographic information from websites called gin and tacos, too. Sheesh. Max |
"Dave" wrote in message On 9 Nov 2004 14:51:06 -0800, (Jonathan Ganz) said: Considerably. It shows almost conclusively that people in the blue states are more likely to have had their kid take a prep course for the SATs or ACTs. Is that a bad thing? Seems pretty smart to me... Jon, must I draw you a picture of everything? The point is that the underlying assumption of the presentation--that SAT scores can be used to predict likely scores on an IQ test-- is flawed. Not only flawed, but denied vehemently by the psychometrists that design such tests. They've even admitted, in recent years, that such exams might be socio-economically biased as well. So much for the this gem of a theory. Max |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message I think you need to draw the picture for yourself. If the parents had the smarts to put their kid in a prep course, that would be a good predicter of intelligence. I guess there really are some stupid lawyers. Did you know that hair and eye color are also good predictors of intelligence, Jon? Well, actually they aren't, but the Nazi's believed it to be so. Max |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message A better question is why you so stupid. Whew! Thanks, Jon. For a moment there I thought someone else was posting under your name. But I've got to admit--you actually posted three responses to Dave before launching into an ad hominem attack in the fourth. You're slipping. Hmmmm? Could this correlate inversely with IQ? Max |
"Thom Stewart" wrote in message Max, It is possible for the Mind to store millions of bits of information but still be uneducated;----I've forgot who made the statement but it couldn't be truer when you look at the Oz post. If you print out the http at the beginning of his line of BS you will see that the origial had been retracked and that was in 2000. Not surprising. The same hackneyed repartee is resurfacing four years later. Not terribly original, are they. As to your first comment, I believe Albert Einstein summed it up best, when asked if he could recall, verbatim, a fairly simple mathematical formula. He responded by asking the inquirer why anyone would memorize such a thing when it could be obtained so easily from a printed reference. The difference between educated people and those without the benefit of same is that the scholar knows where to look to find answers to his dilemmas. Max |
In this area, the schools track students from the 6th grade to determine if
they will be fast-tracked into the ACT or SAT prep courses. My 7th grade grand-daughter was tested last year and came out in the 99th percentile country-wide in math ability...they are having her take a baseline SAT at the end of this year...this was all at the school's initiative, so it's not just parents involved in the process.... OzOne wrote in message ... On 9 Nov 2004 16:38:22 -0600, Dave scribbled thusly: On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 08:46:12 +1100, OzOne said: This help? http://sq.4mg.com/IQ-States.htm Considerably. It shows almost conclusively that people in the blue states are more likely to have had their kid take a prep course for the SATs or ACTs. You mean the smarter, higher income college graduates are more likely to have their kids do a prep course...... Oz1...of the 3 twins. I welcome you to crackerbox palace,We've been expecting you. |
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Maxprop wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message they find any intelligence, please let us know. Stanford-Binet: 144 Wechsler: 130 Not a genius, but not bad either. Better than your BS "study" quoted for any of the Kerry states. Not my study, and you're IQ is a bit low for this ng. You might want to consider taking a remedial course or two. Even Mr. Poodle has a higher IQ. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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Maxprop wrote: "Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message I think you need to draw the picture for yourself. If the parents had the smarts to put their kid in a prep course, that would be a good predicter of intelligence. I guess there really are some stupid lawyers. Did you know that hair and eye color are also good predictors of intelligence, Jon? Well, actually they aren't, but the Nazi's believed it to be so. Well, so you're telling us that you keep your eyes closed and are bald. Ok. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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Maxprop wrote: Not only flawed, but denied vehemently by the psychometrists that design such tests. They've even admitted, in recent years, that such exams might be socio-economically biased as well. So much for the this gem of a theory. And, you have a reading comprehension problem. Not my fault. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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Dave wrote: I think that's a bit of an overstatement. I think you'll find there is some correlation, but less than perfect correlation in each case. There are a Holy Backpeddle!! -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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Maxprop wrote: As to your first comment, I believe Albert Einstein summed it up best, when asked if he could recall, verbatim, a fairly simple mathematical formula. He responded by asking the inquirer why anyone would memorize such a thing when it could be obtained so easily from a printed reference. The difference between educated people and those without the benefit of same is that the scholar knows where to look to find answers to his dilemmas. Please do let us know when you find the answers to yours. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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Dave wrote: Not my study, and your IQ is a bit low for this ng. You might want to consider taking a remedial course or two. Even Mr. Poodle has a higher IQ. Since you've opened the subject, perhaps you'd like to tell us all what "your" IQ is, Jon. I've corrected your typo. I'm sure it was just an oversight. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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Dave wrote: On 10 Nov 2004 11:14:26 -0800, (Jonathan Ganz) said: I've corrected your typo. I'm sure it was just an oversight. Not at all. The quotation marks indicate that that was how you had written it in article --like this: Not my study, and you're IQ is a bit low for this ng. You might want to consider taking a remedial course or two. I was happy to correct it for you. Did you take the remedial course? -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
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Dave wrote: On 10 Nov 2004 14:09:53 -0800, (Jonathan Ganz) said: I was happy to correct it for you. Did you take the remedial course? Nope. Didn't need one to figure out I had a bit of a problem with that complicated English grammar stuff like apostrophes. Really? Well, you should consider it. -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
Maxprop wrote:
Stanford-Binet: 144 Wechsler: 130 Not a genius, but not bad either. But it doesn't do you much good, does it... you're still dumb enough to claim... repeatedly... that I am a "liberal." DSK |
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Dave wrote: On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:52:36 +1100, OzOne said: True to a degree. Though in some cases I'm sure the out-of-school hours of private tutoring the parents paid for also played a role. Dave T. You assume too much. Are you suggesting there was no tutoring, or that it didn't help? In your case, does it matter? -- Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m) http://www.sailnow.com "If there's no wind, row." |
OzOne wrote in message On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:57:17 GMT, "Maxprop" scribbled thusly: OzOne wrote in message This help? http://sq.4mg.com/IQ-States.htm How utterly laughable. SAT and ACT tests do not have any correlation whatever between test scores and IQ scores. What BS. Here's another revelation for ya: High SAT and ACT test scores also have no correlation with success in college either. Why they continue to be used by colleges is a mystery. Even the universities admit this. Guess they need extra papers for their admissions offices to shuffle. OR Do you want the survey by state on the percentage of people with college degrees....guess what.....it comes to the same conclusion.....those states with less degrees voted republican. Duh. Manufacturing and agriculture states naturally won't have as high a percentage of university diplomates as those with little or no mfr. or ag. But don't forget that those industrial employees in the red states are generally the ones that voted democrat. Does the word "union" ring a bell. Farmers and ag workers are probably split between GOP and dems. Regardless, your silly contention holds no water, Oz. Better stick to shooting roos and dingos. http://www.ginandtacos.com/education.jpg Right. I've always gotten my precise demographic information from websites called gin and tacos, too. Sheesh. Max Awwww...Methinks he doth protest too much ! Bwaaahahahahahhahaahahahahahhahahahaaaaa! Dave, you crack me up! Max, actually . . . BTW....no roos nor dingoes around here...'cept a few in Taronga Park Zoo. I'm sure you can find something to kill. Max |
"Dave" wrote in message On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:57:17 GMT, "Maxprop" said: How utterly laughable. SAT and ACT tests do not have any correlation whatever between test scores and IQ scores. What BS. Here's another revelation for ya: High SAT and ACT test scores also have no correlation with success in college either. Why they continue to be used by colleges is a mystery. Even the universities admit this. Guess they need extra papers for their admissions offices to shuffle. I think that's a bit of an overstatement. I think you'll find there is some correlation, but less than perfect correlation in each case. My info is from an independent university (forgotten which, sorry) study done in the early 80s which attempted to demonstrate a correlation between success in college and high SAT or ACT scores. Needless to say I was surprised to learn that the correlation was simply not there. I don't recall the exact numbers--it's been a while since I saw that publication--but the correlation coeficient was below the level of significance. There are a number of factors that will affect success in college, but very few are going to highly successful in college if they lack the basic capacity to learn quickly, and all of the tests do measure that ability, though imperfectly. Apparently those other "number of factors" play a greater role in the process. And as you well know, success on college admission examinations can be the result of many disparate variables as well, such as socio-economic background, and the ability to take tests effectively, neither of which relates to "the basic capacity to learn quickly." To take an anecdotal example, my daughter attended an elementary school where the minimum criterion for admission was a very high IQ score, regardless of the parents' wealth. She then attended a private prep school where the parents' money was at least a significant admission factor for many students and the average IQ was much lower. The two groups were just about on a par in their college records of both admissions and performance. Your example appears to support my contention rather than your own. Regardless, the contention of the radical left that SAT/ACT scores correlates with IQ is bogus, and laughable. Max |
OzOne wrote in message On 10 Nov 2004 11:05:26 -0600, Dave scribbled thusly: To take an anecdotal example, my daughter attended an elementary school where the minimum criterion for admission was a very high IQ score, regardless of the parents' wealth. She then attended a private prep school where the parents' money was at least a significant admission factor for many students and the average IQ was much lower. The two groups were just about on a par in their college records of both admissions and performance. Yep, one group had brains, the other a work ethic passed from their successful parents. So how does this support your contention that SAT/ACT scores correlate with IQ????? Two groups with disparate IQ averages, and both scored roughly the same on the tests. Did the significance of this escape you? Max |
"Jonathan Ganz" wrote in message Maxprop wrote: Did you know that hair and eye color are also good predictors of intelligence, Jon? Well, actually they aren't, but the Nazi's believed it to be so. Well, so you're telling us that you keep your eyes closed and are bald. Ok. Blue eyes and a full, beautiful head of hair. How about you, Jon? Max |
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