OzOne wrote in message

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 06:34:26 GMT, "Maxprop" scribbled thusly:

OzOne wrote in message

The one where everyone has access to hospitals,free medical,
schools,legal advice and the 38hour week?

For starters, yeah.

I hardly think Oz is a socialist country....

I've never thought of Australia as a socialist country either, but if one
has those things (above), someone has to pay for them. And if the
government is paying for them, then those are social programs right out of
the socialist playbook.

but if it is then those
"majority of Aussies find your brand of socialism repugnant"
got it all wrong when they re elected the current Govt for its 4th
term.

People just love free ****. Some object to being overtaxed to pay for it,
but those who aren't terribly productive don't seem to care much. They vote
for the guy who'll give them the most free stuff. Simple human nature.
Fortunately we, in this country, think such matters through more thoroughly
before voting for the giveaway guys.

Max

OzOne wrote:
You need to travel, see how life exists outside the USA..you might
even like it.

Nah, he wouldn't like it. It's all *socialism* and that's just pure evil
evil evil... unless it's something like a Medicare drug benefit, that he
can personally profit from, then it's OK.

Next question- why are you encouraging cloe-minded boors like Maxprop to
travel aborad, at a time when the USA's image is already sinking fast
and doesn't need a brick dropped on it?

DSK

OzOne wrote in message
...

You need to travel, see how life exists outside the USA..you might
even like it.


Wait till after the 'occupation'.
;)

OzOne wrote in message

Ya know Max, that whole reply rates as about the most idiotic I've
seen from you.
Your lack ofunderstanding of how our Medicare, Hospital and school
system works is evident.
Your total lack of understanding of the Australian stuns me.

Your criticism assumes that I actually give a rat's posterior about social
programs in Australia.

You need to travel, see how life exists outside the USA..you might
even like it.

I love to travel. Contrary to your own xenophobic view of me and other
Americans, I love people from other countries. I've made many friends
throughout Europe, Asia, South and Central Americas and a few other msc.
places. My wife and I would love to travel to Africa, but we haven't been
there yet.

Regardless, social programs are social programs, despite whose they are.
You're right--I don't understand the first thing about your social programs,
except that they probably not unlike our own, costing taxpayers huge sums of
money. Our own constitution makes no provision for taking money from one
individual and giving it to another in the form of cash, medical care,
subsidies of various natures, and so on, ad nauseum. But we do it anyway.
So do you and most of the other countries in the First World. And it has
very little to do with compassion or need. It has to do with garnering
votes at election time. You even hinted at that in your original post.

Max

OzOne wrote in message ...


Sorry, I won't do it again......but if more Americans had passports,
you wouldn't be stuck with a chimp as president :-)

It's the ones with passports that voted for W, Mr. Steven Hawking. The
working poor, the union workers, the so-called disenfranchised poor and
minorities, who all voted for Kerry, don't have the means to travel.

You never cease to amaze with your "logic."

Max

"DSK" wrote in message

OzOne wrote:
You need to travel, see how life exists outside the USA..you might
even like it.

Nah, he wouldn't like it. It's all *socialism* and that's just pure evil
evil evil... unless it's something like a Medicare drug benefit, that he
can personally profit from, then it's OK.

Next question- why are you encouraging cloe-minded boors like Maxprop to
travel aborad, at a time when the USA's image is already sinking fast
and doesn't need a brick dropped on it?

You really need to get some perspective, Doug. I've obviously gotten
seriously under your skin by calling you a liberal. So you speak
derogatorily of me in the second person whenever you can. Your sour grapes
are most unbecoming a self-purported intellectual, such as yourself. Can
you spell 'equanimity?'

Max

In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:
Regardless, social programs are social programs, despite whose they are.
You're right--I don't understand the first thing about your social programs,
except that they probably not unlike our own, costing taxpayers huge sums of
money. Our own constitution makes no provision for taking money from one
individual and giving it to another in the form of cash, medical care,
subsidies of various natures, and so on, ad nauseum. But we do it anyway.
So do you and most of the other countries in the First World. And it has
very little to do with compassion or need. It has to do with garnering
votes at election time. You even hinted at that in your original post.

Sheesh... welfare has nothing to do with compassion or need, emergency
rooms have no interest in healing people, there should not be a safety
net for the disabled and elderly. What a humanitarian! Why you're just
like your heros Bu**** and Chumpy.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

"Dave" wrote in message

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 04:47:24 GMT, "Maxprop" said:

People just love free ****. Some object to being overtaxed to pay for
it,
but those who aren't terribly productive don't seem to care much. They
vote
for the guy who'll give them the most free stuff. Simple human nature.
Fortunately we, in this country, think such matters through more
thoroughly
before voting for the giveaway guys.

Well spoke, Max. Perhaps folks are waking up to the fallacy of "I'm gonna
give you something and the other fellah is gonna pay for it."

Doubtful, considering that the democrats depend upon just such a philosophy
in order to get elected. The last election should have taught them
something, but the dem learning curve appears to be uncannily flat these
days.

Max

In article . net,
Maxprop wrote:

OzOne wrote in message ...


Sorry, I won't do it again......but if more Americans had passports,
you wouldn't be stuck with a chimp as president :-)

It's the ones with passports that voted for W, Mr. Steven Hawking. The
working poor, the union workers, the so-called disenfranchised poor and
minorities, who all voted for Kerry, don't have the means to travel.

Hardly. More likely it's the ones with offshore business and bank
accounts who voted for BushCo. More likely, it's the ones who don't
give a rat's ass about the poor or the environment. Big oil, big
tobacco.

You never cease to amaze with your "logic."

Obviously, you wouldn't know logic if it bit you in your ass.

--
Jonathan Ganz (j gan z @ $ail no w.c=o=m)
http://www.sailnow.com
"If there's no wind, row."

"DD730" wrote in message

"I'm gonna give you something and the other fellah is gonna pay for it."

-- John Kerry
-- Al Gore
-- Bill Clinton
-- Michael Dukakis
-- Walter Mondale
-- Jimmy Carter
-- George McGovern
-- Hubert Humphrey
-- Lyndon Johnson
-- John F. Kennedy
-- Adli Stevenson
-- Franklin D. Roosevelt

5 out of 12 won on that program. Says a lot about Americans.

Equally revealing is that since JFK, the only winners have NOT been eastern
liberals, rather southern governors and one southern senator.

Max